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Jairzinho:
@Lagosboy,I ask you again ,where do you get this your 1.7 billion figure from??
You seem to think we have more muslims on earth than any other religion?? Think again my friend.

Secondly,it is a well known fact that making heaven and pleasing God,is not an easy thing,so it can be inferrred that the religion of the many is most likely the one God isn't involved with,so don't feel safe in throwing numbers around or things like 'Islam is the fastest growing religion etc,because

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MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN

tunku:
Back to Lagosboy,do us all a favor and go blow up those infidel corns that doth offend your religion so much.

No2Atheism:
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@lagosboy

You are starting to sound like a typical violent muslim . . .

- why are you bothering about the analysis of how he prepared the bomb. . .

- I do not care how he prepared the bomb . . .

- Stop trying to derail the thread with useless and idiotic analysis of what you think might have happened. . .


- WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE . . .

- WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHETHER HE PREPARED IT IN THE TOILET OR THE KITCHEN OR THE LIVINGROOM. . .

THE BOTTOMLINE IS THAT IT IS REPORTED THAT HE HAS CONFESSED TO BEING A TERRORIST . . .

Stop making silly excuses that sound like you are trying to explain how the chicken crossed the road . . . we do not care and do not want to know . . . The bottom line is that people could have lost their lives and their loved ones merely based on the action of this Real Muslim (that was doing exactly as Allah instructed) . . .


I was initially starting to think that you would for the first time actually choose to completely condemn what happened without trying to explain it away . . . yet it seems you are hell bent on explaining away the unexplainable. . . guess a leopard can't really change its spots hence why you seem to be hell bent on going on with your should have could have nonsense and useless supposed analysis of what might have happened.

Infact i am starting to suspect that[b] you are not happy that he did not succeed[/b] . . . you are starting to sound as if you wish he had succeeded.

This your mentality and attempt at obsfucation of the facts is that reason why i said: Yoruba muslims are starting to become as dangerous as the northern muslims . . .cus the utterances that come out of your mouths sometimes on nairaland sometimes makes it difficult to differentiate the intent. .

Uche2nna:
LagosBoy, I do appreciate the effort U are putting in but U dont really have to distort the facts. Most of the riots in Kano and Kaduna (I lived there for a couple of years) are drawn sharply between religious lines.

igbo boy:
Lagos boy i feel your frustration at peeps trying to generalize muslims, No mind them

But the problem I have with these section of your text (am being objective here, not a muslim bashing response) is why do issues wey no concern us for palestine/israel, afghanistan, iraq we would start carrying it on our head as if na our land then we would start killing people HERE in NIGERIA for what is going on in a far away land?


Remeber Nigeria is a multireligious country, and issues like the israel palestinian issue  can be dividing. hence one mans meat is another mans posion, Some might see israel or the palestinians as the terrorist depending on who you talk to about it, But CANT WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE.MUST WE START KILLING FELLOW NIGERIANS BECAUSE AMERICA INVADED IRAQ, how that one concine us for NAIJA?

I've been following your resposne on this topic and i must commend you for being objective and rational but lets no bring far away conflicts into nigerias problem

Beaf:
Keep denying the obvious. The i.diot has confessed everything even before visiting Guantanamo and you're here stupidly making excuses for his barbaric actions. Are you muddled or something?

4 Play:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wealthy-quiet-unassuming-the-christmas-day-bomb-suspect-1851090.html

The revelation of Abdulmutallab's background has confounded terror experts. Dr Magnus Ranstorp of the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defence College said that the attempted bombing "didn't square".

"On the one hand, it seems he's been on the terror watch list but not on the no-fly list," he said. "That doesn't square because the American Department for Homeland Security has pretty stringent data-mining capability. I don't understand how he had a valid visa if he was known on the terror watch list.

"Why didn't he go to the toilets to detonate the bomb? Why would he try to set it off 20 minutes before he's going to land?

ElRazur:
This is a post aimed at all the terrorist apologist like Binna, Lagos boy, Winnret and others. So, as far as official news go this is what have been confirmed [even though some of us have mentioned this all along]

He had links to AlQaeda. He was trained in Yemen and received suicide bombing traning.


He is confirmed as a Nigerian/Nigeria origin. [At least his Dad is one]


Oh I remember saying he developed nerves hence why he probably waited till when the plane was about to touch down [Lagos boy you gonna eat your own words now?]


Also Lagos boy was claiming he had fire crackers on him and it wasnt enough to damage the blame blah blah blah. Yet it according to this [see below] he had materials for a military grade explosive.


Oh and my favourite part. . . . He is a muslim who appears to have been radicalised.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8431470.stm


Now, all you apologist talking non-sense, I guess the truth is out in the open, only that none of you are no where to be found. I for once wish him the worst of all treatments possible. Like I said on my status on facebook ". . . . I hope the US of A hang him by his testicles"


Binna, next time sweetheart, quit talking rubbish. It sucks and quit trying your cheap psychology on me.

Pataki:
I know you are obtuse when it comes to logical reasoning especially bothering on Islam and actions taken by Islamic extremist across the globe.

1) Is the father oblivious to the extremist views/actions of his son?

2) Is the father oblivious to the source of wealth at his son's disposal?

3) Within the Northern/Islamic tribe, does a woman have a say in the home?

4) What source of income is available to a 23yr old boy who is studying in UCL? Assuming he had that amount of money as a source of income personally, why attempt to blow himself up?

Would even Osama with the amount of money available to him decide to blow himself up today? NO.

He would rather prefer to recruit and train others to do the dirty job. Please engage yourself in some analytical reasoning here. You are hopelessly being flawed in all arguments you bring up here, from firecracks to effects of fireworks in a plane, to what constitutes an act of terrorism, now this one?

Pataki:
Even Osama's son came out publicly to declare that he was not in support of his father's extremist view as a muslim.

The older Muttalab knew what his son was into, knew of his lavish way of living and traveling, assuming the he was being funded elsewhere and kept mute on it. And furthermore, who would fund a boy with so much wealth, without a vested interest in him? Al-Queda? I laugh in rhetorics.

ladi02:
Ex-First Bank Chairman's Son Identified as US Plane Attempted Bomber
• Father reported him to US Authorities long few months ago
By Yusuph Olaniyonu, 12.26.2009

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The young man, who yesterday night attempted to ignite an explosive device aboard a North-West Airlines flight going from Amsterdam to Detroit, Michigan in the United States has been identified as Abdul Farouk Umar Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old son of Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, former First Bank chairman, who just retired from the bank's board a fortnight ago.

The older Mutallab, who as at the time of filing this report, had just left his Katsina hometown for Abuja for the purpose of speaking with security agencies, was said to have noticed the extreme nature of the boy's religious belief and has taken several measures to tame him.

In fact, the former bank chairman, a close source told THISDAY, had a few months ago reported the boy's activities to United States' authorities and Nigerian security agencies.

The older Mutallab was said to be devastated on hearing the news of abdullFarouk's arrest. A source close to him said he was surprised that after his reports to the US authorities, the young man was still issued a visa to enter the United States.

The suspect, Abdulfarouk Muttalab who is an engineering student at the University College, London had been noted for his extreme views on religion since his secondary school days at the British International School, Lome, Togo.

At the secondary school, he was known for preaching about Islam to his school mates and he qwas popularly called ëAlfaí , a local coinage for Islamic scholar. After his secondary school, the young man, family sources said, once relocated to Dubai in  the United Arab Emirates from where he declared to his family members that he did not want to have anything to do with any of them again.

His father, Muttalab is a prominent Nigerian who is a regular visitor to the US where he visits for medical check up and holiday. He is expected to issue a statement later today. Muttalab is married to a Yemeni who however is not the mother of the young man now receiving treatment in Ann Harbor Hospital, Detroit  for burns suffered while he was trying to detonate the expolosive device.

Meanwhile, the federal government of Nigeria yesterday issued a press statement on the incident.
The statement signed by Prof. Dora Akunyili, minister of information and communications, reads:  " Federal Government of Nigeria received with dismay the news of an attempted terrorist attack on a US airline. We state very clearly that as a nation, we abhor all forms of terrorism. The Vice President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dr Goodluck


http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=162769

ElRazur:
What proof do you have that it is a fire cracker? It has been officially confirmed that he had an explosive mix. A firecracker is not the same as an explosive mix or is it?A Besides, who takes on a form of bomb/explosion on board - I have a feeling where ever airport he checked in that these items are prohibited.

No one is spinning issues, but you. First you have been adamant that nothing will happen, yet when me and others have challenged that view on the basis of logic and known facts, you dont appear to be saying much. Dude, do not let religion fraternity cloud your vision.

ElRazur:
What proof do you have that it is a fire cracker? It has been officially confirmed that he had an explosive mix. A firecracker is not the same as an explosive mix or is it?A Besides, who takes on a form of bomb/explosion on board - I have a feeling where ever airport he checked in that these items are prohibited.

No one is spinning issues, but you. First you have been adamant that nothing will happen, yet when me and others have challenged that view on the basis of logic and known facts, you dont appear to be saying much. Dude, do not let religion fraternity cloud your vision.

Akeemos:
@Lagos boy, check this out:
Yemen and Nigeria, One thing in common, a troubled leadership, seemingly non existence. A huge threat to the world according to the US, next 20 000 actually, since Saudi Arabia ain't the biggest admirer  of this country, it might just take 7,000 troops to overrun the divided country, a well ochestrated work of the US using S.A to do that and the same script is playing out here only that this time, they have the luxury of the not just ethnic divide but religious option to play with too and that seem to have been working as greatly highlighted here. However, Iran likes a part of this country, the U.S could want to use Yemen as the testing ground for the nuclear might of Iran. Very nice plan, not bad. With the Nigeria in the middle of this all, Nigeria would want to negotiate a shift in ground in AFRICOM to avoid a backlash.
THAT'S IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@No2Atheism, NO OBFUSCATION HERE

Pataki:
As for financial fundings/sponsoring, it is only sensible and logical to question the unquestionable. If you employ good sense of investigation, which I know you do have, you would question whether his father has anything to do with it. Islamic banking on its own, have their own agenda for banking. His father, could be no different from an extremist in my own view. He is prone for investigation and I assume, he must have connections to one or two terrorist networks going by what we are hearing of his own son. He cannot claim he is oblivious to the act and behavior of his son over an extended period of time.

No2Atheism:
@Lagosboy

Your statements are starting to become semantics . . .

- It was a terrorist act to explode something on the plane whether the plane is on the ground or in the air is irrelevant . . . how many people are killed or injured is irrelevant cus it would still be a terrorist act. . . hence to be frank, i do not understand your semantics and attempts to obsfucate the issue as if this is an aeronautical engineering class.

Pataki:
As a scientist, I expect you to put on your thinking caps seriously. A plane two minutes from landing is still mid-air with albeit low altitude. Whether it has landed or not is not the point. The fact that it contains people in it, and the fact that he carried explosives on him while bound in air comes with an intent of terror. Is that lost on you?

Any explosion of a plane, two minutes from landing is ''just a mere joke''? WOW! Seriously, I think it is time FBI and CIA start investigating into some of you peeps posting on this forum.

ElRazur:
Dude an Aeroplane is pressurised hence why you have very strong and sealed doors. It do not matter whether it is landing or not, an explosion will make it implode on itself. Remember pure oxygen - which one of the stuff used - is highly volatile if I remember correctly. Jeez man, get a grip.

PapaBrowne:
I just stated a fact. CBN Governor, Lamido Sanusi and Mutallab are best of friends and have known each other for 2 decades or more.
There is all likelihood that Lamido Sanusi personally knows the terrorist bomber.
I didn't make it up. It is just a fact.

debosky:
With regards the arguments by Lagosboy on pressure required to cause an explosion, you cannot make any definitive comments on that.

What we are told is that the plane was 'preparing to land' - it could mean the pilot was making the final approach to the airport and still be thousands of feet in the air - so there would be sufficient differential pressure between the inside of the plane and the external atmosphere to rupture the fuselage and cause a break up of the craft in the air.

I don't buy the 'maximum casualty' story - a terrorist attack causes FEAR more than anything else, even if there are a few casualties.

This is a terrorist attempt, no doubt about it. No one screams about Afghanistan on a plane, sets of an explosion and all that without having terrorist intentions.

~Bluetooth:
Most al-qaeda terrorist dont get break on time.Why is this one spilling if i may ask?

shesi:
first images of the guy from the plane. can't make out his face but he doesn't look like the picture posted.

presido1:
Full Investigation Ordered by VP. According to Reuters news agency.
So somebody is in charge at last.

Akeemos:
Some peoples' contributions are just too freaking myopic and it is really killing me. I wonder why we want to get involve in some silly religious bickering when we could be more intellectual. I wonder why it is so difficult for not to be gullible.
Do your research, believe what you want to but right now, more than ever, we need to stand up for our country and not take the torrist stamp as much as the whole drama does not match, it backside for me, as a badly rehearsed play being turned into a movie shot on celluloid but we choose not to go to the cinemas now they are putting it on CD but we can still choose not to buy!
It is all orchestrated!!! This is about the easiest case to crack without being a detective.
Beyond being a Muslim or Christian, while I truly hope we all could exercise restrain on what we say and post, the world is watch. Let's beat them to their game people!

Guys, between at least three 'developed' countries, UK, AMERICA and HOLLAND, this guy still did this, smart up abeg and realize that it is all bullcrap. TOO FAMILIAR A SCRIPT but they seem to have achieve something, set the country's two major religion against each other as being expressed here.

You guys need to chill out here

No2Atheism?
CHAPELLE?
Mr. PRESIDO1, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So annoying a submission. Word of mouth is the cheapest mode of advertising and do a whole lot of harm! be care what you say, really you do not have to send a post. Thanks!


Please read your bible again and realise that you are not in any position to judge anyone! Stop it all this nonsense, no pun or insult intended. Get your acts together and begin to think.

ElRazur:
You are funny. You do realise it makes no difference whatsoever if it was done in mid air or on touching ground? I asked you several questions already and you cannot answer them.

Please explain to me in which ever you can, why was he trying to "ignite" a form of what appears to be explosives on board. . . .In this day and age?