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muhsin:
Barka da Jumu'ah to you all brothers and sisters.

Surprisingly enough; I was like sleeping during sermon. I thereupon stood up and sat back. And the sleep never come back. lol!

Lols It does happen sometimes. I am sure it has happened to loads of people at lest once in their lifetime.

Jumah mubarak to all

Special one to you mukinah

May our hearts be always illuminated with the light of islam and the nur of Allah

@lagosboy

am really sorry, i never was aware that u called for a debate in any of the threads. your challenge is accepted. name your terms and date, then invite all your supporters so they can witness your demise. God willing, u'll never have the upper hand, u knw why? cos u never actually read the quran using your own brain but rather the brain others render to you.

Tell me this in God's name; have u ever verified the evidence and proofs Dr. Rashad khalifa provided as evidence of his messengership? i knw u didn't, u ridiculed him without verification. such is the nature of men. The verses i quoted and u ridiculed are indeed God's words and not mine. its a shame tha u do not believe the words of God but u do for the words of men. years ago, i used to be a traditional muslim like u, who idolised prophet muhammad agaisnt his will wihout knowledge. the difference btw me and most other people(s) is that i kept on seeking for the truth, cos i always sensed something was wrong with the way i was thot islam since chilhood. they literally indoctrinated us to believe all they said even when things defy common sense. But God is never unjust, if u truly seek the truth, He will guide u towards it.

just name the thread, and u'll regret ever summoning me into a debate. u were thot that the quran is not easy to understand unless,u read their tafsir(explanation of the quran), yet your LORD in the quran says He made it easy for those who choose to learn. i wonder who to believe, God or the idols(imam, wali, sheiks, mulla etc) u set up besides God. i rather go by God's own verdict. i have read the quran using my own brains, and i can tell u it is as easy as any other Book u knw.

This is your quote on the other thread.
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Now please tell me do you accept Rashid Khalif as the messenger of Allah?

Really!!! how do i deal with it?

Bismillahi Arahamani Raheem

Before we proceed on a time and date .

Please you want to use the quran strictly but before i can accept this i will like to know if you understand the arabic language. The quran wasnt revealed in english  and we can never suceed in a debate using the quran in english language.

Also before i can accept to use the quran alone do you know anything of the following subject on the quran:

Naskh wa mansukh
Asbab nuzul
Balagha (arabic)
Nahw (arabic)
Adab

If you also accept you are a muslim , how many pillars are there in islam?

Please you could answer the questions and then we proceed on a day and time.

N.B me saying i am sunni doesnt mean i am a sect, sunni is just to demonstrate you are a muslim as opposed to being shia. If you have studied anything of islamic history you will know when the term sunni was first used and why. It was only used to describe the muslims who refused to folow the erroneus beliefs about Ali RA. You caliming to be a muslim and not following a sect os only hypocriritcal as you plainly follow the faith called "submission" founded by Rashid Khalifa.

I beg u in the name of God lets move here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-369835.0.html

If you are sincere delete your posts here and paste them on to the thread i created. Lets leave this thread for ifya and lets carry our disagreement elsewhere.

I will state time and terms on the thread.

N.B the Q54 vs 17 again you misinterpreted this is the arabic " wa yasarna quran li dhikr " - We have made the qur'an easy to remember.

Anyone that understands 1% of arabic knows the word dhikr means remember and not learn.
Learn in arabic is: Ta'alim , hifdh , fahim. No dictionary will translate dhikr as learn except you.
Please there is no point using Khalifas malicious translation of the quran , little doubt why he had insgnificant arab followers because it is their language and he cant trick them.

Who says the death penalty is wrong. I wonder what else this baby killer desrves if not slow death

Oh just discovered you are disciple of Rashad Khalifa. Its a shame you hve been brainwashed into this how come khalifa holds a view contrary 99.99% of muslims.

Even shia and sunni dont disagree on all these issues you raised niether did the sects of old like the mu'tazila and co.

@ Usisky please there is no gain in misleading others and websites you posted are absolutely ridiculous. In fact the quran u quote you do not understand and i posted a thread for us to debate , you refuse to come on there. If you have convictions in what you claim to believe in pls lets do a debate live and not just posting and going away. We can spen 30 mins to 1 hr inshallah and hopefully arrive at some truth.

It is shamefull that you chose not respond to my refutation of your intepretations.

Miracle of 19 has nothing to do with our discussions on this thread neither/

If the min requirement for salvation is the verse you quoted i wonder why we do salah, zakah, ramadhan, hajj. Honestly there loads to talk about, why not just be honourable enough to accept  a debate and not base your arguements from a website.

N.B if you dont accept to debate , then i would sugest to the mod to delete your misleading posts as i am even begining to doubt if you are a muslim or just a mischief maker.

None of the sects in islam hold this view of yours, even the Ahmadi (non muslims)are not this ridiculous.

The quran you quote from , can i ask you how it came to being? Can i ask you how you learnt to recite it?

Q2vs 62 and 2 vs 262 you quoted and interpreted to mean what you mean depicts your wholesome ignorance of the sciences of the quran.

Do you speak arabic?
Who is your teacher?
Are you a qualified islamic scholar?
Are u you a student of knowledge?

Please i dont know what happened. I spent abt 15mins typing a response to " Truth abt Shariah " thread and my posts are deleted. I i can see the posts in my last posts on my profile bu tit doesnt appear on the thread. Wht appears is the one liners i type to complain.

Usisky please where re u

Jonathan aparently is was tricked by Aondoaka to assume the mantle , but he did not fall for the trick as the legality of the premise was in doubt.

ifyalways:
thanks Lagos illusion.
Lagos boy,merci.
Tell me about beards now,what does it signify to keep and wear long beards?
Going awol,wud be back on 28th Insha Allah.

Hmm growing of beards for men is simply following the tradition of Prophets PBUT all. In shariah ruling classification we have:

Complusory (Wajib)
Recomended (Mandub/Sunnah/mustahab)
Permisible (Halal)
Forbidden (Haraam)
Neutral (Mubah)

The growing of beard falls under the second category as the prophet PBUH said in a hadith grow your beard and trim your moustache to be different from the disbelievers. It will also be interesting to know that growing of the beard was the culture of the time and the sahabas(companinion) had beard even before islam, the mark of differentiaition then was to trim the mousache.

If a man keeps the beard with the intention of loving the Prophet and want to keep it becase he had a beard then he gets a reward for it. If he doesnt keep the beard he his not considered sinful or a lesser muslim because the growing of beard is "Sunnah/Mandub" which if you dont do you are not sinful.

I must confess that some scholars disagree with this view i posted here and term keeping the beard as compulsory. There is no problem at all and yes on some issues we do have difference of opinion amongst scholars which is natural in any human field or social science.

I believe it is not an issue muslims should concentrate on debating in the world of today as there are pressing issues worth muslims attention , like eduacation , spreading the dawah, islamic finance, returning back to the shariah, defending the opressed muslims and so on. If a man keeps it, then fine and if he doesnt it is also fine let him be.

You dont have permission to go AWOL Have a nice holiday though and see you inshallah when u get back

This your thread na wah o, wey post dey delete .

Omo u don jazz this thread up o.

Your post sef i no fit read.

@illusion

Just click on my name , read the last post on my profile , i typed them in 3 posts and i think only one showed and it also diasppered.

I have been there , spent 10-15 mins typing and i dunno who delets them.

Again it has deleted 2 posts , damn i give up

I am student of the philosophy of the islamic law and there is a subject under the philosophy called maqasid which simply means the objective and purposes of the law. In modern times the maqasid is adapted to the situation in determining a judgement due to the changing realities. The sharia of islam is not a static law it is ever dynamic with the core principles of islam remaining constant and that is what makes it an eternal law to suit all generations of muslims.

Each time a state decides to implement the shariah the jurist have to assemble the laws and also put the realities of that partuclar environment in to consideration in codified the laws of the state.

One thing that amazes me and I think it is simply intellecutal laziness on the part of non muslims and muslims intellectuals is the ignoring of all the aspects of shariah and seeing shariah through the pin hole of the strict penal code. Islamic finance for example is one as pect of the shariah that has been adapted to the modern economics and developed without the core principles changing.

HSBC has a product called shariah compliance banking - Ammanah banking
Lloyds TSB and likewise islamic bank of Britain.

The UK govt have adopted some parts of the shariah in relation to transactions - the issue of stamp duty and so many other wonderful things.

You could let me know if you dont understand anything above.
And God knows best.

Where there is difference is in the implementation which shows the dynamism and beuty of islamic law. This dynamism is actually an arguement against those who say the sharia penal code is ancient and to be done away with. The application and implentation of a law has to be subject to the realities of the situation,environment,culture and so on. That a thiefs hand was cut in somewhere like Brunei with 2% poverty rate does not mean a thiefs hand will be cut in Nigeria with a poverty rate of 70%. Such a difference in implementation highlights the flexibility and justice of the sharia.

The sharia is a well defined law and has evolved over the years thanks to the hardwork of the intellectual supermen we call the islamic Jurists of 14 centuries. Century after Century the laws have evolved and adapted to the changing realities of each time without the prinicples of the islamic law changing.

@ Illusion

I think Ibraheem has answered most of your queries. Also i do not really know what other issue you have (Codififcation is an excption) since the articlein bbc you posted is quite extensive and in fact very educative and nice.

Codification and specificity.

I state here categorically 95% of the muslim scholars agree on the penal code and it is very specific :

A thief - cut his hand
Public Adulterer - Stoning
Public Drinking - 70 lashes
Public fornication - 100 lashes
Slander - 80 lashes

And it goes on

What is happening to my posts, i have posted here 3 times and its not showing

@ Illusion

I think Ibraheem has answered most of your queries. Also i do not really know what other issue you have (Codififcation is an excption) since the articlein bbc you posted is quite extensive and in fact very educative and nice.

Codification and specificity.

I state here categorically 95% of the muslim scholars agree on the penal code and it is very specific :

A thief - cut his hand
Public Adulterer - Stoning
Public Drinking - 70 lashes
Public fornication - 100 lashes
Slander - 80 lashes

And it goes on

Where there is difference is in the implementation which shows the dynamism and beuty of islamic law. This dynamism is actually an arguement against those who say the sharia penal code is ancient and to be done away with. The application and implentation of a law has to be subject to the realities of the situation,environment,culture and so on. That a thiefs hand was cut in somewhere like Brunei with 2% poverty rate does not mean a thiefs hand will be cut in Nigeria with a poverty rate of 70%. Such a difference in implementation highlights the flexibility and justice of the sharia.

The sharia is a well defined law and has evolved over the years thanks to the hardwork of the intellectual supermen we call the islamic Jurists of 14 centuries. Century after Century the laws have evolved and adapted to the changing realities of each time without the prinicples of the islamic law changing.

I am student of the philosophy of the islamic law and there is a subject under the philosophy called maqasid which simply means the objective and purposes of the law. In modern times the maqasid is adapted to the situation in determining a judgement due to the changing realities. The sharia of islam is not a static law it is ever dynamic with the core principles of islam remaining constant and that is what makes it an eternal law to suit all generations of muslims.

Each time a state decides to implement the shariah the jurist have to assemble the laws and also put the realities of that partuclar environment in to consideration in codified the laws of the state.

One thing that amazes me and I think it is simply intellecutal laziness on the part of non muslims and muslims intellectuals is the ignoring of all the aspects of shariah and seeing shariah through the pin hole of the strict penal code. Islamic finance for example is one as pect of the shariah that has been adapted to the modern economics and developed without the core principles changing.

HSBC has a product called shariah compliance banking - Ammanah banking
Lloyds TSB and likewise islamic bank of Britain.

The UK govt have adopted some parts of the shariah in relation to transactions - the issue of stamp duty and so many other wonderful things.

You could let me know if you dont understand anything above.
And God knows best.

@ Illusion

I think Ibraheem has answered most of your queries. Also i do not really know what other issue you have (Codififcation is an excption) since the articlein bbc you posted is quite extensive and in fact very educative and nice.

Codification and specificity.

I state here categorically 95% of the muslim scholars agree on the penal code and it is very specific :

A thief - cut his hand
Public Adulterer - Stoning
Public Drinking - 70 lashes
Public fornication - 100 lashes
Slander - 80 lashes

And it goes on

Where there is difference is in the implementation which shows the dynamism and beuty of islamic law. This dynamism is actually an arguement against those who say the sharia penal code is ancient and to be done away with. The application and implentation of a law has to be subject to the realities of the situation,environment,culture and so on. That a thiefs hand was cut in somewhere like Brunei with 2% poverty rate does not mean a thiefs hand will be cut in Nigeria with a poverty rate of 70%. Such a difference in implementation highlights the flexibility and justice of the sharia.

The sharia is a well defined law and has evolved over the years thanks to the hardwork of the intellectual supermen we call the islamic Jurists of 14 centuries. Century after Century the laws have evolved and adapted to the changing realities of each time without the prinicples of the islamic law changing.

I am student of the philosophy of the islamic law and there is a subject under the philosophy called maqasid which simply means the objective and purposes of the law. In modern times the maqasid is adapted to the situation in determining a judgement due to the changing realities. The sharia of islam is not a static law it is ever dynamic with the core principles of islam remaining constant and that is what makes it an eternal law to suit all generations of muslims.

Each time a state decides to implement the shariah the jurist have to assemble the laws and also put the realities of that partuclar environment in to consideration in codified the laws of the state.

One thing that amazes me and I think it is simply intellecutal laziness on the part of non muslims and muslims intellectuals is the ignoring of all the aspects of shariah and seeing shariah through the pin hole of the strict penal code. Islamic finance for example is one as pect of the shariah that has been adapted to the modern economics and developed without the core principles changing.

HSBC has a product called shariah compliance banking - Ammanah banking
Lloyds TSB and likewise islamic bank of Britain.

The UK govt have adopted some parts of the shariah in relation to transactions - the issue of stamp duty and so many other wonderful things.

You could let me know if you dont understand anything above.
And God knows best.

@ Illusion

I think Ibraheem has answered most of your queries. Also i do not really know what other issue you have (Codififcation is an excption) since the articlein bbc you posted is quite extensive and in fact very educative and nice.

Codification and specificity.

I state here categorically 95% of the muslim scholars agree on the penal code and it is very specific :

A thief - cut his hand
Public Adulterer - Stoning
Public Drinking - 70 lashes
Public fornication - 100 lashes
Slander - 80 lashes

And it goes on

Where there is difference is in the implementation which shows the dynamism and beuty of islamic law. This dynamism is actually an arguement against those who say the sharia penal code is ancient and to be done away with. The application and implentation of a law has to be subject to the realities of the situation,environment,culture and so on. That a thiefs hand was cut in somewhere like Brunei with 2% poverty rate does not mean a thiefs hand will be cut in Nigeria with a poverty rate of 70%. Such a difference in implementation highlights the flexibility and justice of the sharia.

The sharia is a well defined law and has evolved over the years thanks to the hardwork of the intellectual supermen we call the islamic Jurists of 14 centuries. Century after Century the laws have evolved and adapted to the changing realities of each time without the prinicples of the islamic law changing.

I am student of the philosophy of the islamic law and there is a subject under the philosophy called maqasid which simply means the objective and purposes of the law. In modern times the maqasid is adapted to the situation in determining a judgement due to the changing realities. The sharia of islam is not a static law it is ever dynamic with the core principles of islam remaining constant and that is what makes it an eternal law to suit all generations of muslims.

Each time a state decides to implement the shariah the jurist have to assemble the laws and also put the realities of that partuclar environment in to consideration in codified the laws of the state.

One thing that amazes me and I think it is simply intellecutal laziness on the part of non muslims and muslims intellectuals is the ignoring of all the aspects of shariah and seeing shariah through the pin hole of the strict penal code. Islamic finance for example is one as pect of the shariah that has been adapted to the modern economics and developed without the core principles changing.

HSBC has a product called shariah compliance banking - Ammanah banking
Lloyds TSB and likewise islamic bank of Britain.

The UK govt have adopted some parts of the shariah in relation to transactions - the issue of stamp duty and so many other wonderful things.

You could let me know if you dont understand anything above.
And God knows best.

She don sort you out jare

Malay zone no bad as that na like downtown KL ok makei talk malay then . . . . .abu kabar, salamat pagi, salamat patang , tell them tirmakasi

mukina2:
i get chinko cousins

Ayinba
is doing good

Oya where them dey Beijing or xinchang province . . . . . . . chi kno hu hop fu yong hing . . . i am sure u understand what i am saying in chinese

Why u dey here sef Ayinba don sort you out na me remain.

tamedo:
SWW Jarus and all,
I do not think it is haram for a Muslim man to make beauty one of the factors he likes to consider in a sister she wants to marry. When talking about the qualities that you should look for in the girl whom you choose to be your wife,, Shaikh Salih al-Munajid said,(among other things) " She should be beautiful because that will bring tranquillity to him and be more helpful in lowering the gaze and more likely to bring about love. "  What is wrong is to make beauty the most important condition.
It should, however be noted that when Islam enjoined making a good choice of husband and wife, the most important factors in choosing are good character and religious commitment. Narrated by al-Tirmidhi. And it is proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Women may be married for four things: their wealth, their lineage, their beauty and their religious commitment. Choose the one who is religiously-committed, may your hands be rubbed with dust (i.e., may your prosper).”
Men choose women according to their own desires and traditions and customs, but his(SAW) advice to all men is to prefer the woman who is religiously committed and marry them, because in marrying such a woman there is a great deal of good which steps.the man will see in himself, his house and his children.  There is one VERY IMPORTANT step that Jarus missed out. That is the need for seeking divine guidance.  By your thinking, calculation, analysis and assessment, meeting a sister may be the best thing that has ever happened to your life,  but you may be wrong. Your analysis can only be based on what you heard or/and can see. There may be some hidden things about her which are not good for but known only to Allaah, hence the need Istikhaara even if you think she has everything you want in a sister. Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Salami (may Allaah be pleased with him)  said:“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to teach his companions to make istikhaarah(supplication for divine guidance) in all things, just as he used to teach them soorahs from the Qur’aan.

Jarus, make genuine efforts  and follow the correct steps and insha Allaah success will be you

Jazakallah bro , nice input.

Jarus , you have to spend several nights awake calling on your lord with utmost sincerity , listing the qualities you are looking for together with geunine reasons to match it. "tatajafaa junubuhum ani al mudoji'i yad'uno rabbakum khaofan wa tama'an " "Their sides forsake their beds at night calling on their lord in fear and hope . . . . " surah sajdah Q32

Dua is really ipmortant in this and like the sheikh said beauty is not a sin , even me sef want beauty queen    

@Ayinba

how comes it is only Jarus being offrered Lagosboy sef dey here o , at least tribe or race no be wahala for me , u get chinko sista?

I will inshallah try to answer your query as long as we stick to the issue of no insults. I posted something here regarding the definition of shariah, after you read it we could go further inshallah to the issue of codification of the law.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-359506.64.html

ifyalways:
I'm intrested in Fatwa,truth is i used to think its a kind of semi-Jihad ,correct me if i'm wrong.
Where is Usisky?hope its not fight or flight.

Oh fatwa isnt semi jihad and nothing to do with jihad directly

Fatwa is simply the application of Fiqh and shariah by a jurist to todays affairs. It could be termed a religious edict or decree. It is what you will call judgement in the secular courts or interpretation of the law.

I gues some fatwas have been issued regarding jihad so you thought it could be synoymous i guess

ifyalways:
Omo,that stoning to death for married couples,does it mean Islam does not support Divorce?it wud be a better option to divorce a cheating spouse than to stone to death.IMO ,anyway,with the 4 witness stuff,i guess its gonna be real hard to implement but still we cant rule out the chances of blackmail.

Islam is not an extreme "idealist" faith, Islam is a practical faith and accepts divorce but doesnt like it abused. A husband can divorce his cheating wife if he wants or could forgive her if he wants.
Q65 v 1
". O Prophet (SAW)! When you divorce women, divorce them at their 'Iddah (prescribed periods), and count (accurately) their 'Iddah (periods[] ). And fear Allâh your Lord (O Muslims), and turn them not out of their (husband's) homes, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open illegal sexual intercourse. And those are the set limits of Allâh. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allâh, then indeed he has wronged himself. You (the one who divorces his wife) know not, it may be that Allâh will afterward bring some new thing to pass (i.e. to return her back to you if that was the first or second divorce).

Even if a husband sees another man on top of his wife , his testimony alone is not sufficient for any punishemnt to be meted out in in islamc state. The best he can do is either divorce or forgive. The husband cannot stone his wife, stoning like i said is only carried out after a judicial process and by the state not an individual.

True sometimes there could be blackmail, and that is why one of the 6 major sins in islam is Slandering a chaste woman of fornication or adultery. Even the wife of the prophet PBUH Aisha RA was once slandered. To prevent blackmail there is a judicial process to cross examin the witness and 9.9 out of ten it will be detected at that stage because four of the statement will be difficult ot be exact as they need to have seen at the same time. The implementation is simple near impossible.

And God knows best

ifyalways:
what is an Islamic state?A state whose governor/ruler is a Muslim,greater part of the populace are muslims or what?
Now does any state in 9ja qualify as an Islamic state?

An islamic state is simple an idependent state governed by the Shariah of God in its totality not penal code for the poor and a different law for the ruler and elite. It is a state that welcomes every muslim and non muslims alike who pay their taxes instead of zakah. A state not defined by race or colour but by the common phrase of "There is no deity except Allah and Muhammad PBUh is his prophet" If you dont mind later on i could inshalah explain in detail the workings of such state and components.

It is not an islamic state simply because it is governed by a muslim.
It is not an islamic state simply becauseit is a muslim majority country.

No state in Nigeria can qualify to be an Islamic state in the real sense of the word as the states are subject to the Federal constitution and so many other issues which time will not permit me to write now.