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mbulela:
i obviously knew what it meant.
I just wanted you to do the definition and thus proof that it is not what is obtainable in ACN.
Infact what is practiced there is imposition and not consensus.
How any pragmatic politician will yield to that,even if he is a beneficiary and not raise his voice in public against it baffles me.
If the foundation be destroyed what can the righteous do?
[b]As it is these candidates owe their allegiance to the wise men and not the party faithfuls.[/b]What sort of foundation is that?
A house built upon sand will not stand o!
If ACN must go far and help us dismatle the evil called PDP, we must hold it accountable to erect a good foundation.
After that, all pragmatism is acceptable.

This the danger and it is for this very reason the god fathers impose. They feel threatened by a politicians popularity as that will translate to independence of thought and action which is a crime in their circles.

I can bet that in two years time Amosun and Tinubu/osoba might fall out. This is because Amosun had a strucutre before ACN , he is popular and will not yield easily to dictation.

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=649879.msg8164008#msg8164008 date=1303221546]He has the influence sir.

We are not talking about people like you, who are in the minority, we are talking about the real grassroot. The easiest way to lose election to your opponent in an election is not to mobilize. I know this because I am part and parcel of the process.

If I am supposed to win a ward for ACN, I have to be funded for such. I need to run round, talk to people (some will ask for money), BRIBE bribable people, take risks and so many things in the process. All these need some cash to execute.

If the leader does not send me cash, except I am the one contesting or a relative, I simply sit in my house. Period.

You can see why PDP got the votes, they did mobilize because they have a BIG stake.

Those people that vote on principles are actually few, that's why the CPC votes are not many. Others vote on ethnic consideration( igbos in this case). the rest of Yoruba pips simply feel unconcerned.[/quote]Thank you sir for butressing my points here. I am happy you said you are part of the process because we internet warriors will never understand that word mobilisation like you said unless we experience it.

I gave the example of Tinubu vs Williams in 2003. Atiku helped Tinubu by delaying the mobilisation money meant for PDP that woul dhave won it for Williams.

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=649879.msg8163926#msg8163926 date=1303221030]Actually, if you have never been part of the political process, you will never understand this mobilzation part.[/quote]This is why i am having it tough convincing folks on here[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=649879.msg8163905#msg8163905 date=1303220889]Yes mobilization is extremely vital anywhere. But lets not assume Tinubu has the influence to mobilize the people for every candidate or cause across SW.[/quote]It is the same influence that was used to win the legislative election, the same influence that moved a greater percentage of voters out for the legislative election, that made them stand in queue to protect their votes. This is also not for every candidate it is for the topmost position in the country, the most imprtant candidiate, the candidate you spent billions supporting all around the country, the candidate you spent a major part of this election promoting.

no i am 3

Jarus:
I thought I was the only that has issue with the reckless ascription of this tag in Nigeria. I especially have a problem with some parties calling themselves. In this dispensation, ACN arrogates this label more than any other party. Even more disturbing is when you see crooks calling themselves progressives. The truth is very few political personalities qualify to be a progressive in this age. Awo's UPN and Aminu Kano's PRP of the 2nd republic are examples of progressive parties. These were parties taht had clear-cut ideology. You know UPN with its free education policy, you know PRP with talakawa, welfarist ideology. Awo and Aminu Kano will turn in their graves when they hear the type of people calling themselves progressives today.

Tinubu is the current leader of progressives

Genuine consesus is when 2 or 3 candidates discuss amongst themselves and all three agree to debate themselves in house and one of them emerges which is agreed by them. For example, gbawe and me wants to become the governor of Ekiti state and before campaigning starts at all or announcement of candidates to the public we both sit down and talk it out on why it should be him and not me or vice versa. I submit to his points and he represents the party.

Imposition is when Osoba, Lam Adesina, bisi Akande or Tinubu tell other candidates to piss off and seletcts whom they want. Osoba specifically said there will not be primaries in Ogun state and there was no primary rather it was all selection. Tinubu did the same in Lagos , Lam Adesina did the same in Oyo and his son Dapo suffered the backlash.

The latter is what is practised predominantly in ACN and it will be the bane of the party in the long run if it is not checked.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=649879.msg8163680#msg8163680 date=1303219377]I think the answer is pretty obvious: there is only so much Tinubu he can do.

Yoruba progressives and a lot of educated youth support Ribadu, the rest of the SW went with GEJ and the sentiments around his candidacy. Tinubu can only do so much.

Believe it or not, I'm personally aware of Yoruba Villages in the hinterland where people do not know Ribadus name, they've never heard of Fola Adeola but they know PDP, they have a love/hate relationship with the Buhari image. They like the "broom" and Osun state proved that, but they are not excited about the presidential election so they stated home. I believe the numbers showed that[/quote]Do you agree with my point that is is only with "mobilisation" elections are won in the SW ?

maclatunji:
Let us get something straight: The fact that majority of "less-informed" Nigerians voted for GEJ and he won without a run-off with questionable figures does not mean that his supporters are Politically savvy. Obviously, majority of people posting here do not know how elections are won in Lagos and the Southwest in general.

Let me guess, you think people will vote for Fashola on Tuesday because he is a great guy and has done great things for Lagos, abi? You are very ignorant. Here is how it is done. 48 hours before the elections, the Election money is withdrawn from God-knows-where, from there party leaders from the different zones come and collect their "allocation", they in-turn will share it between the Local Government party leaders who in turn will share it with ward-leaders, who in-turn, share it with the polling agents and their accessories, this will in-turn enter the hands of majority of the voters who depending on how loud and mouthy they are will collect anything between N200 and N1000 for their vote.

If this fails to happen on Tueday, Fashola will lose the Gubernatorial election to the PDP which has a similar machinery in place only less efficient because the party leaders expect to get compensation at the National level after appropriating the majority of State election "winning funds" for themselves.

Of course, International Observers will come and notice a smooth exercise with only a "few" discrepancies here and there, but nothing to change the credibility of the entire election.

Do not worry one day bushmeat go catch the hunter.

Thank you my brother.

This is what i have been singing all day long. WE online internet warriors dont understand our local politics and base everything on perhaps hearsay or popular opinion. SW politics is all about mobilisation and if party doesnt mobilise they will lose gallantly.

In a town of Ayetoro last saturday , the residents refused to come out to vote and demanded they get some money. 1000 naira was distributed to them each by PDP and the rest is history. Let us in the SW forget all this arrogance of sophistication, majority of our people still vote based on whatthey get.

There are educated people who vote with their heads in the SW no doubt but this class of people are not those who give the big numbers that win elections here.

Ystranger:
Do you actually expect Tinubu to go to the streets and mobilize people for Ribadu? Ribadu lost his polling station? He cant even sell himself, what do you want Tinubu to do?

BTW, Party leaders dont mobilize people, foot soldiers do. There is a reason parties have structures and movement. Blame Ribadu for Ribadu's failure. If he felt that the party structures werent adequately mobilized as he would have desired, he could have done what Dele Momodu did with LP.

The buck for Ribadu's failure stops at Ribadu's dest, not at Tinubu's

Leaders give instruction to state chairman, then to LGA party chairman then to ward leaders who then pass it on to polling agents and reps. Money is also distributed in that format. This is how election are won in the SW if they are not rigged. It all happens 48 hrs to the election. Ward leaders mobilise house to house and i am not talking about middle class voters here or areas. I am talking about the lower class areas where majority of the votes come from.

ACN did not do this which they did for the legislative election. I dont understand how you can spend billions jetting round the whole country campaigning for Ribadu and 48 hrs to the election you dont mobillise for your aspirant in your strongest base.

Maybe a logical explanation might convince me.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=649879.msg8163380#msg8163380 date=1303217275]Like so many SW Buhari supporters said already, I could not convince most of my own folks to vote CPC, and I tried.

~Sarcasm~ I wonder how Tinubu got to our Mothers, Fathers, siblings and friends allover the SW within 90 hours, maybe he had a microchip buried into Yoruba heads. ~sarcasm~

Let us face the reality, PDP won the propaganda and sentiment war in the South, numbers may be fuzzy but CPC lost the battle to shape opinions. I myself came from -he's a tribalist, a fundamentalist, a killer, a hardliner- to support his candidacy.

Millions of South westerners could not shake that off like some of us did. Blame lack of information, blame ignorance, blame the media, blame bigotry, blame lack of cash, Blame Buhari, Blame supporters like me for not working hard enough, blame this unfair effed-up Nigerian system.

BUT do not blame Tinubu. As much as I don't like his style, he owes Buhari nothing and Tinubu is not as powerful as we make him out to be. Erm OK, if you insist, I will try to scan my people's head for that Tinubu microchip  [/quote]We know he owes Buhari nothing but he owes his Candidate Nuhu Ribadu everything, how can we explain ACN non mobilisation for Nuhu Ribadu 48 hrs to an election.

Brother, this is the crux of our discussion and I acknowledge thouands of voters genuinly voted for Jonathan. 30% of registered voters voted  in Lagos which is not normal in Lagos for a presidential election.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=649066.msg8163172#msg8163172 date=1303215680]Thanks. I grew up with politics around me. We will definitely meet in the field one day if you go into politics in the SW. I'm more interested in shaping opinions and pushing good hardworking candidates out there for now. I may never contest as a candidate, not sure yet.

But my people need us and Nigeria needs structural reforms. I always tell folks that we are all victims of a disjointed system, how you navigate it is very important as long as you have a reasonable limit on how far you can go. I wish you success bro if you run. God knows we need fresh ideas out there.[/quote]Good to know many bright minds will be shaping the future of our country, The SW needs bright people with sincere aspirations to fast track the country´s development.

I do agree on the points you raised as well on the diverse methods of picking candidates but imposition of candidates is what i am against not genuine consesus. I am from Lagos and when a man throws 6 members of his family into an election , this is beyond diversity in methods but plain greed and abuse of power.

Aside from Tinubu and Bisi Akande I dont have issues with most of the actors in ACN. Aregbesola is a person I like a great deal and so many other guys.

Gbawe:
I don't agree with it either but things are what they are. In fact , I think Nigerians have allowed themselves to be blindsided . GEJ is actually , IMO , the best bet for the continuation of "business as usual" for the "born to rule" brigade many Southerners thought they were voting out . Buhari or Ribadu would have been better choices because I expect them to draft in others based on merit. If we truly want a break from the past we would reject those who hand out very important positions out of political expediency, selfish interests and the need to "reward loyalty and support" .

Which is why we the progressives have to begin charity from home by breaking away from Tinubu who represents everything Boldened above.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=649879.msg8162607#msg8162607 date=1303211708]I will just have to ignore you if you continue to reason like an iddiot.Abiola won but IBB decied to cancel the election maybe I should also ask if IBB would have cancelled the election if Tofa had won and will the same almajiris also born down the whole country for Tofa's annulment.
In a sane reasoning,both scenarions are not on the same par at all.[/quote]At this juncture i stop my discussion with you because i never trade insults an di thought you were matured enough to handle discussion which was why i tried to understand you. Have a good day buddie  

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=649879.msg8162575#msg8162575 date=1303211498]Big lie. When and where?. Abacha terrorized Yorubas and murdered many but there was never any riot to resist his Yoruba imperialism, not even from the OPC.[/quote]You obviously cannot remember June 24 1993 , the elections were annuled on the 23 june 1993. Abacha does not even come to this equation at all as he did not assume power until November 17 1993. You can go verify the dates if you were too young then to understand what was going on

I am a full blooded yoruba guy but i remember yorubas burning down anything hause then. OPC does not even come to the equation as well because OPC was formed after those events around 94/95.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=649879.msg8162507#msg8162507 date=1303211115]Wait till his mad dogs start launching missiles to the south and committing suicide bomb blast before you know what's up.What osama bin laden is to the Talibans,that is what buhari is to the almajiris. I say NO to extremism.[/quote]Would you call Abiola a terrorist, when the whole SW went crazy in 1993 after the elctionw as anulled. Yorubas burnt down anything hausa in LAgos, Ibadan and other SW states.

It is shame we have this thinking in the south after 10 years of southern presidency, we have forgotten one day the northers will get hold of power and they will treat us exactly same. 1n 1993 Abiola lost and the whole SW went crazy and everything was burnt down.

It is disgusting to see the map of the election result according to the map of Nigeria. If ACN had delivered SW for Ribadu we would not have this sort of division.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=649879.msg8162450#msg8162450 date=1303210686]Don't mind the terrorist.he was deceived by the rented crowd that were deceiving him.Did buhari think the yorubas will vote for a him after the alliance failed ? He was greedy and that cost him the position.you can imagine how many votes the idiiot would have got from the alliance but God knows better why He didn't let him get there.[/quote]I dont like defending personalities but could you substantiate the bolded in relation to Buhari

johnie:
Flesh and blood did not reveal that to you!

I wish people could understand Tinubu for who he really is!

As far as I am concerned, he is not better that OBJ!

If he is not clipped soon, he will turn into a national monster and will serve as the clog in the wheel of the real progressives to move Nigeria foward. I think it is time he is classed alongside the old brigade politicians.

mbulela:
my worry with the Tinubu factor is that if he is not clipped properly sooner rather than later, the danger will impact even non ACN sympathizers.
The man is too intelligent and tactical to be allowed to run the show the way it seems at present.
I really do respect the way Mamora has carried himself in the light of that episode. decent man, gets top marks from me.

Mamora is the best ACN senator for me and asking your best senator to step down for someone in order to compensate him for all the dirty lagos lands deals he seals for his godfather is not nice at all.

Mamora was really matured about it and just handled it in good faith. Rumours have it that it was bacause of mamora support for Fashola he was taken out.

Tinubu is very smart and streetwise, after this election and if ACN wins oyo and ogun, I think Tinubu has served his purpose and should be clipped to make ACN progress and blossom.

presido1:
Lagosboy and co, why do you people keep on saying the election in SE and SS was rigged but every other place was ok. Buhari is not in agreement with election in 22 states, is the 22 states in SS and SE?

States like Jigawa, Katsina,Sokoto,Bauchi were all rigged to give GEJ above 25%.

The SW was free of these kind of rigging and I dont agree with CPC for rejecting the results in Lagos.

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=649879.msg8162098#msg8162098 date=1303207531]GEJ/PDP would have gotten votes fine, but would have been less than Ribadu's had ACN mobilized for Ribadu. It is not those independent-minded voters that are most important in elections.

Tinubu really fall my hand.

He should have stayed with his candidate no matter what (Ribadu's silence is deafening, hope he is not part of the deal with GEJ). We all know the alliance with CPC failed but why did they refuse to work for Ribadu? There is no explanation for this other than they had a deal.[/quote]Well done , Well done ! ! ! You can see where I am comming from.

Some of us trust our poltiicans to a fault and we would never believe thay can do no big wrong.

nikkygal:
This thread is sooooo refreshing and just further reinforces the bright future & possibilities ahead of our country if only we have such great minds (progressives) as leaders.Guys, am loving this discussion and very impressed with the mood of this thread[/size]. . . . . . .[size=6pt]_{Please let the hawks stay away}

Keep it up!

Thanks for your comments you are welcome to contribute your opinion and analysis here as well.

Gbawe and I disagree on some issues but trust me I know we share many poltical views in common apart from Tinubu

Gbawe:
Man mi , you are a bright guy yet I am loathe to really drag this debate on suffice to say that Parties are not duty bound to conducts Primaries as the only process that leads to the emergence of candidates. The consensus emergence , even if not ideologically desirable to some of us , is a legitimately acceptable way for candidates to emerge . So is negotiation and horse-trading amongst candidates . We all forget that usage of certain practices in Political Parties , if allowed and endorsed as legitimate by electoral rules, are the prerogative of Party members and not the general public.

The PDP has no choice but to conduct Primaries because of the sheer number of contestant and their insistence on contesting for office . That is not the case for the ACN . Folks in the Party generally get along well to the extent that consensus deals and negotiations threw up many candidates most folks were happy with . We should judge Parties by their size, number of contestant for elective office and unique circumstances rather than what other Parties have done . If only two contestants want the Oyo Central senatorial ACN seat , rather than 30 as may be the case for the PDP, why should it be a voting Primaries alone that should be used or seen as democratic when other legitimate options are equally acceptable?


The PDP , for example, had no choice but to have the voting contest between GEJ and Atiku. Meanwhile , Ribadu emerged because everyone voluntarily stepped down for him !!! What is wrong with that ? We cannot go looking for a crime when non has been committed . If one forgets the rumours and inspect the reality of how candidates emerged it will be obvious that most ACN representatives emerged through acceptable and legitimate methods . Everyone is free to believe otherwise .

Looking at the internal democracy thing from a different angle, maybe true consesus happened in Osun state,Ogun and Oyo state. However Ekiti central was very messy and also LAgos. I am very bitter about the potlics Tinubu plays in Lagos, how can i explain Momora being asked to step down for Ashafa.

ACN will thrive better once Tinubus wings are clipped and he is relgated to Bourdilloun.

nulldev:
I see, I was not around during national assembly elections so I cannot comment on that. It still sounds far fetched to me though

My brother, nothing is far fetched when it comes to Nigerian politicians. Never stake your life for any of these guys , what goes on behind closed doors is just amazing. They fight in public and soicalise together in secret , closing business deals in the process and all sorts.

Let me give you some of the things i know and some people might call me crazy. In 2003 elections it was Atiku that saved Tinubus head from rolling like other AD governors. 48 hrs to election the Money voted for Lagos which Atiku was to deliver but he held on to it. He made the money land bang on the election day morning which was already too late to distribute to the 32 local govs . Tinubu had already struck a deall with Atiku and this prevented PDP from being successfull in their mobilisation. The final results was so close you would have imagined what would have happened if the billions landed earlier.

2 years after ATiku and Tinubu started to romance in public and the layman will think, it had just started after the OBJ fight not knowing they had been buddies earlier. Let me just stop here for the moment.

Politics is a dirty game and if we dont understand the dirty tricks we will not be successfull in counter balancing those tricks.

[quote author=X-factoria link=topic=649879.msg8161946#msg8161946 date=1303206391]Lagosboy: Neither Tinubu or ACN influenced anything whether by their action or otherwise. I agree that ACN did not mobilize people but even if they had done that, Jonathan's numbers would not have been affected and the difference will only be seen in more electorates turn-out and more votes for ACN's Ribadu. Jonathan and Buhari's votes would not have been affected at all.

My parents stay in Ogun State and they with my extended family, religiously support ACN but had pledged to vote Jonathan since the beginning of the campaigns and so they did. Same goes for my Uncle and his family in Oyo State. Generally, in the southwest, Jonathan's numbers were guaranteed![/quote]This is the whole point for me, I have said times without numbers that GEJ had genuine voters in the SW and i posted in my thread after the legislative elections. However how can we explain ACN refusing to mobilise for its presidential canidiate Nuhu Ribadu. No said Tinubu campaigned for PDP but the open secret in Lagos is he struck a deal with GEJ not to intefere or counterbalance PDPs efforts int he SW.

How do we explain campaigning in 36  states for Ribadu , spending billions in the process and only 48 hrs to an election when it matters most , you refuse to mobilise for him. I dont like Tinubu it is obvious but me not liking him does not rub away the facts on ground which is obvious for everyone to see.

nulldev:
@Lagosboy, so how is this mobilization done? I was in Lagos during the election period and Ribadu adverts were non stop on tv, text messages got almost to the point of irritation so again short of rigging how did ACN conduct this underground stay away campaign?

I know you are no Tinubu cheerleader but some of these stories are ridiculous. Even the alliance negotiations, was on this same Nairaland where people will take bits from one version of the story join with bits from another version and come out with "It only failed because of Tinubu's greed"

This is the trick in politics and it is done 48 hrs to election. Most election are won or lost in Nigeria and especially the SW 48 hrs to election. Ward leaders move people out to vote , ward leaders distribute gifts, money and all sorts to sway voters. They do house to house campaign to move people out to vote and that was what Osoba was referring to when he said they will start mobilisation for Amosun. Why did they not do similar for Ribadu? This is the question because we know how ACN mobilised for the national assemble election and the same was not repeated for the most improtant election

hercules07:
See what happens when Pro GEJ people keep out of threads, CPC needs to toe the ACN line in terms of building itself up, they need to win here and there and to stay the course, they also need to bring in the progressives in the North, people like Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (  if he is interested ), Ribadu needs to move from the ACN to CPC because Tinubu's ambition is just too great to allow him become president. The politics we practise in Nigeria is sentiments politics, people do not care about track record or integrity, we southerners are as bigoted as the Northern people, we have the omo wa ni eje ki o se mentality.

It would be wonderful if this man joins CPC after his term at central bank, we need him in Aso rock. He is one of the bright stars of the north. Unfortunately the masses of the north do not really align with his progressive thinking but some grassroots work of 3 years can erase that.

CPC has to work hard to kick out the PDP govs , which is the only way we would rid Aso rock of PDP. If PDP lose 8 states in the north to CPC and 6 in the SW to ACN. PDP will be a goner in 2015 especially if all these governors perform excellently.

Gbawe:
Man mi , you are a bright guy yet I am loathe to really drag this debate on suffice to say that Parties are not duty bound to conducts Primaries as the only process that leads to the emergence of candidates. The consensus emergence , even if not ideologically desirable to some of us , is a legitimately acceptable way for candidates to emerge . So is negotiation and horse-trading amongst candidates . We all forget that usage of certain practices in Political Parties , if allowed and endorsed as legitimate by electoral rules, are the prerogative of Party members and not the general public.

The PDP has no choice but to conduct Primaries because of the sheer number of contestant and their insistence on contesting for office . That is not the case for the ACN . Folks in the Party generally get along well to the extent that consensus deals and negotiations threw up many candidates most folks were happy with . We should judge Parties by their size, number of contestant for elective office and unique circumstances rather than what other Parties have done . If only two contestants want the Oyo Central senatorial ACN seat , rather than 30 as may be the case for the PDP, why should it be a voting Primaries alone that should be used or seen as democratic when other legitimate options are equally acceptable?


The PDP , for example, had no choice but to have the voting contest between GEJ and Atiku. Meanwhile , Ribadu emerged because everyone voluntarily stepped down for him !!! What is wrong with that ? We cannot go looking for a crime when non has been committed . If one forgets the rumours and inspect the reality of how candidates emerged it will be obvious that most ACN representatives emerged through acceptable and legitimate methods . Everyone is free to believe otherwise .

Putting all you said into perspective , how does the Ekiti central senatorial primaries fit into it?

The final result have proven me right, there are millions of folks in the SW who support PDP and this is a big concern for the future of the SW.

Leaving aside the complicity of the SW "progressives" , PDP performed extremely well in this election and if ACN does not perform excellent in all tiers of governance, it is only a matter of time before they might be swept away in tsunami again. Oyo state is a big concern and i will never rule out a vctory for Akala although i am praying and hoping he is swept away by ladoja or Ajimobi.

SW folks should ot get carried away as the results of this election has shown us. Even if all ACN voters never came out , PDP winning over 1 million votes in Lagos is just disturbing.

Gbawe:
The truth is that GEJ did not interfere and Tinubu also did not interfere even if that may be difficult for some folks to accept in their search for conspiracies that explains why their candidate lost. The[b] Adult[/b] SW folks voted for the candidate of their choice . They voted for GEJ of their own free will . Simple.

I 100% hold the views that the election in the SW were largely free of the sophisticated rigging in the SS and SE. However the point here is Tinubu struck a deal with GEJ to look the other way at the expense of Ribadu. ACN refused to mobilise, ACN ward leaders did not mobilise which is how ACN win elections in the SW.

Immediately after the election Osoba said they would start mobilisation for the governorship election, which makes us to wonder why did they not mobilise in the first place for Ribadu. PDP aganets had free hand distributing all sorts. My mum told me everyone in our area got spaghettis and money to vote PDP. There were allegations of ACN agents telling people to vote for PDP.

There is what we call complicity in silence. Silence means consent and the deal was to give us the free hand and it worked magic. That does not however rule out the fact that some folks genuinly voted GEJ into power.

If you remember my thread "PDP appears to be popular in the SW"

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-643802.0.html#msg8099677

I stated that PDP will do well in the presidential election but the complicity of Tinubu made them not do well but excellent. This is an open secret in Lagos circles Gbawe, i am sure if you speak to your people you will confirm.

I concede defeat in the SW and we knew Buhari will never do well in the SW from the start , our aim was just to get the 30%. Buhari lost the SW and Bakare did not bring the votes from the region ,w e accept and we learn from the mistakes he made. We would bounce back strongly God willing.

Thought provocking !!

We all know Tinubu struck a deal with GEJ, no matter what the ACN guys tell us in public, in private they tell us otherwise.

ayo84:
The violence shld be condemned and gej shld live up to his responsibility as c in c to quell the crisis. Its a shame that their were signs that this was going to happen and the government didn't do anything.but let's also talk about who started this crisis in the first place.if you notice a lot of northern emirs and leaders(pdp) in the north cheated their people and in connivance with goodluck ebele jonathan to rig the eletions in the north, hw do you explain gej getting 428,392 votes in katsina state.if you notice,in almost all northern states, gej has a steady and perfect share of 25%.is it a coincidence or something fishy is going on somewhere . Now who is to blame for the violence, why didn't you tell gej to stop using money politics and highwire manipulation, isn't he smart enuf to know the north is volatile, the same way there was wild wild west n the south west , why is he instigating violence in the north by putting together one of the most sophisticated rigging heist in nigerian history.When the people in zaria protested and almost caused a breakdown of law and order,because the emir of zaria received a 500 million gift from gej.didn't he get the picture.gej has been bribing northern elites and has carried out a sophisticated, yet almost believable electoral heist in the history of nigeria. You people don't know the high wire meetings gej had to manipulate the elections n the north.Your man who promised to transform nigeria, has transformed the electoral landscape into money politics,high wire rigging,falsified results, etc . Now its backfiering on him.

I submit and concur to your points