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Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 3:09pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
mbulela: This the danger and it is for this very reason the god fathers impose. They feel threatened by a politicians popularity as that will translate to independence of thought and action which is a crime in their circles. I can bet that in two years time Amosun and Tinubu/osoba might fall out. This is because Amosun had a strucutre before ACN , he is popular and will not yield easily to dictation. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 3:04pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: Thank you sir for butressing my points here. I am happy you said you are part of the process because we internet warriors will never understand that word mobilisation like you said unless we experience it. I gave the example of Tinubu vs Williams in 2003. Atiku helped Tinubu by delaying the mobilisation money meant for PDP that woul dhave won it for Williams. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 3:01pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: This is why i am having it tough convincing folks on here Kilode?!: It is the same influence that was used to win the legislative election, the same influence that moved a greater percentage of voters out for the legislative election, that made them stand in queue to protect their votes. This is also not for every candidate it is for the topmost position in the country, the most imprtant candidiate, the candidate you spent billions supporting all around the country, the candidate you spent a major part of this election promoting. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 2:44pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
no i am 3 |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 2:40pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Jarus: Tinubu is the current leader of progressives |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 2:39pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Genuine consesus is when 2 or 3 candidates discuss amongst themselves and all three agree to debate themselves in house and one of them emerges which is agreed by them. For example, gbawe and me wants to become the governor of Ekiti state and before campaigning starts at all or announcement of candidates to the public we both sit down and talk it out on why it should be him and not me or vice versa. I submit to his points and he represents the party. Imposition is when Osoba, Lam Adesina, bisi Akande or Tinubu tell other candidates to piss off and seletcts whom they want. Osoba specifically said there will not be primaries in Ogun state and there was no primary rather it was all selection. Tinubu did the same in Lagos , Lam Adesina did the same in Oyo and his son Dapo suffered the backlash. The latter is what is practised predominantly in ACN and it will be the bane of the party in the long run if it is not checked. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 2:31pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Kilode?!: Do you agree with my point that is is only with "mobilisation" elections are won in the SW ? |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 2:26pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
maclatunji: Thank you my brother. This is what i have been singing all day long. WE online internet warriors dont understand our local politics and base everything on perhaps hearsay or popular opinion. SW politics is all about mobilisation and if party doesnt mobilise they will lose gallantly. In a town of Ayetoro last saturday , the residents refused to come out to vote and demanded they get some money. 1000 naira was distributed to them each by PDP and the rest is history. Let us in the SW forget all this arrogance of sophistication, majority of our people still vote based on whatthey get. There are educated people who vote with their heads in the SW no doubt but this class of people are not those who give the big numbers that win elections here. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 2:09pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Ystranger: Leaders give instruction to state chairman, then to LGA party chairman then to ward leaders who then pass it on to polling agents and reps. Money is also distributed in that format. This is how election are won in the SW if they are not rigged. It all happens 48 hrs to the election. Ward leaders mobilise house to house and i am not talking about middle class voters here or areas. I am talking about the lower class areas where majority of the votes come from. ACN did not do this which they did for the legislative election. I dont understand how you can spend billions jetting round the whole country campaigning for Ribadu and 48 hrs to the election you dont mobillise for your aspirant in your strongest base. Maybe a logical explanation might convince me. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 1:57pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Kilode?!: We know he owes Buhari nothing but he owes his Candidate Nuhu Ribadu everything, how can we explain ACN non mobilisation for Nuhu Ribadu 48 hrs to an election. Brother, this is the crux of our discussion and I acknowledge thouands of voters genuinly voted for Jonathan. 30% of registered voters voted in Lagos which is not normal in Lagos for a presidential election. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 1:49pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Kilode?!: Good to know many bright minds will be shaping the future of our country, The SW needs bright people with sincere aspirations to fast track the country´s development. I do agree on the points you raised as well on the diverse methods of picking candidates but imposition of candidates is what i am against not genuine consesus. I am from Lagos and when a man throws 6 members of his family into an election , this is beyond diversity in methods but plain greed and abuse of power. Aside from Tinubu and Bisi Akande I dont have issues with most of the actors in ACN. Aregbesola is a person I like a great deal and so many other guys. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 12:22pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
Gbawe: Which is why we the progressives have to begin charity from home by breaking away from Tinubu who represents everything Boldened above. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 12:18pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
~Bluetooth:At this juncture i stop my discussion with you because i never trade insults an di thought you were matured enough to handle discussion which was why i tried to understand you. Have a good day buddie |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 12:16pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
aloy-emeka: You obviously cannot remember June 24 1993 , the elections were annuled on the 23 june 1993. Abacha does not even come to this equation at all as he did not assume power until November 17 1993. You can go verify the dates if you were too young then to understand what was going on I am a full blooded yoruba guy but i remember yorubas burning down anything hause then. OPC does not even come to the equation as well because OPC was formed after those events around 94/95. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 12:09pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
~Bluetooth: Would you call Abiola a terrorist, when the whole SW went crazy in 1993 after the elctionw as anulled. Yorubas burnt down anything hausa in LAgos, Ibadan and other SW states. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 12:07pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
It is shame we have this thinking in the south after 10 years of southern presidency, we have forgotten one day the northers will get hold of power and they will treat us exactly same. 1n 1993 Abiola lost and the whole SW went crazy and everything was burnt down. It is disgusting to see the map of the election result according to the map of Nigeria. If ACN had delivered SW for Ribadu we would not have this sort of division. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 12:01pm On Apr 19, 2011 |
~Bluetooth:I dont like defending personalities but could you substantiate the bolded in relation to Buhari |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 11:42am On Apr 19, 2011 |
johnie: If he is not clipped soon, he will turn into a national monster and will serve as the clog in the wheel of the real progressives to move Nigeria foward. I think it is time he is classed alongside the old brigade politicians. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 11:26am On Apr 19, 2011 |
mbulela: Mamora is the best ACN senator for me and asking your best senator to step down for someone in order to compensate him for all the dirty lagos lands deals he seals for his godfather is not nice at all. Mamora was really matured about it and just handled it in good faith. Rumours have it that it was bacause of mamora support for Fashola he was taken out. Tinubu is very smart and streetwise, after this election and if ACN wins oyo and ogun, I think Tinubu has served his purpose and should be clipped to make ACN progress and blossom. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 11:15am On Apr 19, 2011 |
presido1: States like Jigawa, Katsina,Sokoto,Bauchi were all rigged to give GEJ above 25%. The SW was free of these kind of rigging and I dont agree with CPC for rejecting the results in Lagos. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 11:12am On Apr 19, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: Well done , Well done ! ! ! You can see where I am comming from. Some of us trust our poltiicans to a fault and we would never believe thay can do no big wrong. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 11:10am On Apr 19, 2011 |
nikkygal: Thanks for your comments you are welcome to contribute your opinion and analysis here as well. Gbawe and I disagree on some issues but trust me I know we share many poltical views in common apart from Tinubu |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 11:08am On Apr 19, 2011 |
Gbawe: Looking at the internal democracy thing from a different angle, maybe true consesus happened in Osun state,Ogun and Oyo state. However Ekiti central was very messy and also LAgos. I am very bitter about the potlics Tinubu plays in Lagos, how can i explain Momora being asked to step down for Ashafa. ACN will thrive better once Tinubus wings are clipped and he is relgated to Bourdilloun. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 11:01am On Apr 19, 2011 |
nulldev: My brother, nothing is far fetched when it comes to Nigerian politicians. Never stake your life for any of these guys , what goes on behind closed doors is just amazing. They fight in public and soicalise together in secret , closing business deals in the process and all sorts. Let me give you some of the things i know and some people might call me crazy. In 2003 elections it was Atiku that saved Tinubus head from rolling like other AD governors. 48 hrs to election the Money voted for Lagos which Atiku was to deliver but he held on to it. He made the money land bang on the election day morning which was already too late to distribute to the 32 local govs . Tinubu had already struck a deall with Atiku and this prevented PDP from being successfull in their mobilisation. The final results was so close you would have imagined what would have happened if the billions landed earlier. 2 years after ATiku and Tinubu started to romance in public and the layman will think, it had just started after the OBJ fight not knowing they had been buddies earlier. Let me just stop here for the moment. Politics is a dirty game and if we dont understand the dirty tricks we will not be successfull in counter balancing those tricks. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 10:51am On Apr 19, 2011 |
X-factoria: This is the whole point for me, I have said times without numbers that GEJ had genuine voters in the SW and i posted in my thread after the legislative elections. However how can we explain ACN refusing to mobilise for its presidential canidiate Nuhu Ribadu. No said Tinubu campaigned for PDP but the open secret in Lagos is he struck a deal with GEJ not to intefere or counterbalance PDPs efforts int he SW. How do we explain campaigning in 36 states for Ribadu , spending billions in the process and only 48 hrs to an election when it matters most , you refuse to mobilise for him. I dont like Tinubu it is obvious but me not liking him does not rub away the facts on ground which is obvious for everyone to see. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 10:33am On Apr 19, 2011 |
nulldev: This is the trick in politics and it is done 48 hrs to election. Most election are won or lost in Nigeria and especially the SW 48 hrs to election. Ward leaders move people out to vote , ward leaders distribute gifts, money and all sorts to sway voters. They do house to house campaign to move people out to vote and that was what Osoba was referring to when he said they will start mobilisation for Amosun. Why did they not do similar for Ribadu? This is the question because we know how ACN mobilised for the national assemble election and the same was not repeated for the most improtant election |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 10:28am On Apr 19, 2011 |
hercules07: It would be wonderful if this man joins CPC after his term at central bank, we need him in Aso rock. He is one of the bright stars of the north. Unfortunately the masses of the north do not really align with his progressive thinking but some grassroots work of 3 years can erase that. CPC has to work hard to kick out the PDP govs , which is the only way we would rid Aso rock of PDP. If PDP lose 8 states in the north to CPC and 6 in the SW to ACN. PDP will be a goner in 2015 especially if all these governors perform excellently. |
Politics / Re: Ribadu's Expensive Gamble by Lagosboy: 10:25am On Apr 19, 2011 |
Gbawe: Putting all you said into perspective , how does the Ekiti central senatorial primaries fit into it? |
Politics / Re: Pdp Appears To Be Popular In The South West ? by Lagosboy: 10:10am On Apr 19, 2011 |
The final result have proven me right, there are millions of folks in the SW who support PDP and this is a big concern for the future of the SW. Leaving aside the complicity of the SW "progressives" , PDP performed extremely well in this election and if ACN does not perform excellent in all tiers of governance, it is only a matter of time before they might be swept away in tsunami again. Oyo state is a big concern and i will never rule out a vctory for Akala although i am praying and hoping he is swept away by ladoja or Ajimobi. SW folks should ot get carried away as the results of this election has shown us. Even if all ACN voters never came out , PDP winning over 1 million votes in Lagos is just disturbing. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 10:03am On Apr 19, 2011 |
Gbawe: I 100% hold the views that the election in the SW were largely free of the sophisticated rigging in the SS and SE. However the point here is Tinubu struck a deal with GEJ to look the other way at the expense of Ribadu. ACN refused to mobilise, ACN ward leaders did not mobilise which is how ACN win elections in the SW. Immediately after the election Osoba said they would start mobilisation for the governorship election, which makes us to wonder why did they not mobilise in the first place for Ribadu. PDP aganets had free hand distributing all sorts. My mum told me everyone in our area got spaghettis and money to vote PDP. There were allegations of ACN agents telling people to vote for PDP. There is what we call complicity in silence. Silence means consent and the deal was to give us the free hand and it worked magic. That does not however rule out the fact that some folks genuinly voted GEJ into power. If you remember my thread "PDP appears to be popular in the SW" https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-643802.0.html#msg8099677 I stated that PDP will do well in the presidential election but the complicity of Tinubu made them not do well but excellent. This is an open secret in Lagos circles Gbawe, i am sure if you speak to your people you will confirm. I concede defeat in the SW and we knew Buhari will never do well in the SW from the start , our aim was just to get the 30%. Buhari lost the SW and Bakare did not bring the votes from the region ,w e accept and we learn from the mistakes he made. We would bounce back strongly God willing. |
Politics / Re: Tinubu Gave S’west Votes To Jonathan - Yinka Odumakin by Lagosboy: 8:50am On Apr 19, 2011 |
Thought provocking !! We all know Tinubu struck a deal with GEJ, no matter what the ACN guys tell us in public, in private they tell us otherwise. |
Politics / Re: Buhari Did Not Campaign In Ss And Se by Lagosboy: 8:16am On Apr 19, 2011 |
ayo84: I submit and concur to your points |
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