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Before i talk abt Al banna

anengiyefa:
Extrenism:
Definition: a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis. Any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies

Extremist:
One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.
QED!

Good definition please could you now tell me what makes hamas an exremist organisation and what qualifies Israel not to be an extremist State.

@Becomerich

You are one of the greatest comedian i have seen. Honestly your posts relieves me of pressure as i cant stop laughing.

20000+30000+50000+20000 +10000 = 110000 strong force hahahahahahah. Honestly your just a joke. You mean you would manufacture this army yourself. You michigan friend would give you 20000 people to come and fight for the yoruba nation.

Even the US army could not get as much mercenariies that they had to depend on mercenraies from Africa for the Iraq war.

Pls wake up from you slumber

RichyBlacK:
Where are all the morons that predicted that Hamas will be "wiped out"?

Israel, once again, has failed!

Hamas stands! And all freedom fighters rejoice as Hamas remains strong to fight against Western subjugation facilitated by Apartheid Israel!

All progressives rejoice as tyranny and industrialized mass-murder by Zionists has failed to "finish off" Hamas.

They said they would destroy hamas
They said they would destroy their Rocket launching capability
they said they would chamge the game plan on ground
They said they would turn the palestinians against Hamas
They said hamas would be taught a lesson and would surrender to their Fire power

None of this was achieved except the killing of babies.
Hamas has come out stronger. For 4 days the IDf tried to enter Gaza city but the resistance they faced was so fierce they delcared a unilateral ceasefire. The IDF hasnt reported the true casualites on their side as they hay have banned their journalist and western journalist from there. Fierece fighting and heavy fighting always reported but no IDF causalty that sounds like a computer game.

The palestinans were steadfast amidst this terror unleashed on them.
The success of a war is not dpendednt on the number of the dead. It is dependent on the stated objectives of the war of which Israel achieved nothing. The 15000 strong Hamas force - Qassam brigades is still intact. Some tunnels were destroyed but definately not all. This tunnels are rebuilt in 20 days.

The sad thing is just the palestinian infrastructure the terrorist destroyed- roads, power plants, water plants, Gaza residential towers and homes, hospital 13 mousques. This would be rebuilt by Hamas just like what Hezbollah did.

So what did Israel achieve - The poularity and legitimising of Hamas , the weakning of Mahmud Abbas as he his seen asa joke by the palestinans in West Bank. The real losers of this war is Israel, Egyptian govt, Mahmud Abbas, Jordan and Saudi kings as their stupidity and hypocrisy has been revealed./

Long Live the Lions of Hamas and Long live the enitre palestinian resistance. May the blood of the innocent killed never go in vain.

Aluta Continua Vicotria Ascerta
Palestine shall be liberated like it or hate it!!!!!!!!!!! It shall come to pass

Davidylan cannot respond to a comment without throwing insults. He tells me to get a brain and never answered if UN installations shelling could be justified in any way.

Even Ehud Barak could not justify it but called it "a grave mistake" Now is it not a war crime to hit the 3rd floor on a 5 storey building killing 2 children. What more precision do you need. Is it not war crime to prevent medics from reachong the injured, to bomb UN food storage facility,To hit a UN aid convoy.

If it isnt i wonder why John Gings the UN head in Gaza is proposing the opening of war crimes proceeding against the Terrorist state of Israel.

NOTE : The person that wrote the piece abt Hassan Al Banna. Pls could you state your reference of him been a Nazi supporter?

Could anyone define "extremism" and tell me what qualifies hamas as an extremist organisation.

I actively campaigned against the Dafur crises and even financial donations. It is not for you to know. When the crises started in 2005 i wasnt on NL then.

texazzpete:
One more thing; there's a particularly delicious irony about your reactions. You castigate the poster for generalization, yet i've seen too many posts here in which many prominent members of your community call for 'Allah's punishment on the Jews', that call the jews 'devils'

There are Jews in israel who would not hurt a fly. There are women and children that only crave peace. There are hundreds of jews in front of the Israeli embassy calling for a ceasefire.
Yet you label them all as 'devils'

There's hypocrisy at play here. And it stinks.

You have seen in the foreign affairs section we castigate the zionists and not all the jews. Pls be objective dont take an isolated case and make judgement. Was it not you that castigated a religous sect in reference to muza and ibnmalik because he asked a question abt Bush and Hitler?

There is absolute no justification for killing 330 children [/b]out of 1070 slaughtered

[b]UN says 40% of those killed so far are women and children.

102 elederly people.

Assuming 500 men have been killed - this could be civilians or hamas fighters.

Hamas has 15000 strong force

The rockets are still been launched

4750 injured - majority severe injuries and permanent disability.

The hospitals cant cope again, the borders are closed refugees cannot even flee. this is the only war I have seen in the whole world where refugees cannot flee to another country. Egypt is complicit in this crime against humanity.

ISRAEL IS NOTHING BUT A TERRORIST STATE.

This el Rufai guy calling Atiku a thief and corrupt and now allegedly owns an estate within aso villa. All these OBJ boys are just hypocrites with OBJ been the king of hypocrites.

These guys all deserve to face the firing squad.

kaecy5:
if your Hamas brothers would hide in UN buildings and fire rockets from there then they deserve what they get

until the Palestinians learn to chase away hamas rocket launchers from using their buildings or hideout to launch rockets then they DESERVE to die with them . simple

But the UN has stated categorically that no Hamas fighters were in its buldings. Would Hamas hide in the UN HEADQUARTERS?

Ehud Barak called it a "grave mistake" and never even claimed hamas were hiding there.

Hamas fighters are thought to be 15000 strong force. IDF has killed 1070 -330 children killed- 102 elderly people. UN says 40% are women and children. Now tell me are the 15000 hamas fighters all hiding in UN buildings?

Israel is not achiving anything apart from killing children, the rockets are still been fired and even if just 1 rocket is fired israel has lost the war. The declining rockets doesnt mean the rockets launching capabilty is destroyed.

I cannot seem to rationalise the several attacks on UN.

Moments ago the UN headqauters in Gaza was shelled and white phosporus was used as welll. Ehud Barak called it a "grave mistake". This is just outright madness and a diregard for international law. Israel withthe backing of US is acting like it is above the law.

This is the same UN that created the state of Israel in 1948 and now because the UN is speaking aginst Israel's terrorist actions the IDF now considers the UN a legitmate target.

Hamas fighters are not at the UN headqauters. How come the attack is timed at the visit of Ban ki moon to Tel aviv.

UNRWA univeristy shelled - 6 students killed on the first day of war
UN school killed - 43 women and children slaughtered , 100 injured
Another UN school-2 Killed
UN aid convoy hit - 1 killed
Now UN headquarters shelled and also white phosphorus used - how could this be explaines rationally except been " a grave mistake"


Davidylan,Dayokanu,texappete,Bamwolo,Osisi,Bluespice and others please could this be justified in anyway?

dayokanu:
I thought Hamas wanted war and Israel is giving it to them in equal measure.

Hamas started it and Israel would end the war on its own terms.

"White phosphorus" are bad but suicide Bombers are good weapons according to Hamas and their supporters

@Dayokanu
It has been established that Israel broke the ceasfire and refused to extend the ceasfire on the condition of easing the blockade.

i dont understand it when you keep saying Hamas started this.

Please Dayo does the killing of 330 children make you feel happy or bad. Can you please answer without making reference to Hamas cos those kids aint hamas fighters.

Can you also tell me if the Shelling of a UN school which civilians ran to make u feel bad - 43 women and children were killed. Those killed werent hamas fighters.

Can you just honestly tell me if the shelling of a house that IDF told civilians to gather there and killing 30 makes you feel bad. Those civilians werent Hamas.

Now i accept Israel has the right to defend itself but can you tell me if a people have the right to resist occupation?

I can understand why Obama did not comment on this issue but I hope my reasons I right otherwise it would be dangerous for him. I hope it is because he is not in support of Bush policy in the region and did not want to create a problem by making statements and Bush making another then could be chaos as this is the most sensitive foreign policy issue for the US.

Having said this Obama has played a double standard by speaking out against the Mumbai attacks which was terrorism and then kept silent on another terrorist action by the terrorist state of Israel. A terrorist action that has killed 1070 people- 330 children, terrorist action that has injured 4750 people many of which is severe and permanent disability.

He made a real problem for himself as not been fair and just by declaring his support at the AIPAC speech for wanting an Israeli state with Jerusalem as its undivided capital. Even Bush never made such blanket and sensitive statement. He did not put into consideration if this Jerusalem is within the UN territorial boundary when the UN created the state of Israel in 1948. He never put into account that this is exactly what the Palestinians are fighting for Fatah and Hamas both want Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. He did not consider this was one of the reason the camp david agreement of Clinton failed.

I just hope his support was just a campaign rhetoric and would move to the centre on this issue.

dayokanu:
The US was responsible for the Murder and assasination of Fatah supporters by Hamas too

The internal palestinian crises is a shame but they both have a common enemy which is Israel. The US supports one group Fatah and tries to undermine the other Hamas which is a recipe for diasaster. there can be no peace agreement without talking to Hamas and i hope Obama recognises this fact.

You have to talk to your enemy to have peace. The British have realised they have to speakk to the taliban in Afghanistan, The US realised the had to speak to the sunni groups in Iraq hence the "awakening group" was formed by ex alqaeda fighters.

Hamas have stated that they are willing to accept a long term peace 40 -50 years if Israel withdraws to its 1967 borders which implicitly recognises Israel but Israel doesnt want a viable palestinan state as the state would have legitimacy to negotiate arms deals and a legitimate army which israel fears.
"We should not fear to negotiate with the enemy but we should not negotiate out of fear" JFK said.

udezue:
What da heck can Nigeria do about except have the moronic Hausa/Fulani muslims riot like wild animals?

Why castigate an entire tribe in this manner. This is wrong and really wrong.

Dante said
"Those who stay slient and neutral in times of anarchy and crises deserves the hottest part of hell"

davidylan:
You are beating about the bush as is the usual signature of islamobots. Before 1967 was there peace? If there was no peace then shy does Lagosboy think there will be peace if Israel just moved to pre-1967 borders?
the world is indeed insane.

Davidylan i would do my best possible to sound polite.

It is immoral, low, lacks intellect,shameful, uncivilised and depicts the non use of God given intelliegence for you to use this kind of derogatory coined word for 1.2 billion followers of a faith.

you can check all my post i have never for once called chisrtians as a people any derogatory phrase.

We are having political discussion and i have maintained my stance not to debate this israel - palestinian conflict on the basis of religion but you cant help yourself by putting religious bias into it after every sentence.

Islam is a religion and its followers are called muslims.

You have grown up but maturity seems to be evading you

You live in the west and civility has still evaded you just help yourself by taking the advice.

I dont give a shit if you call me ur usual word "slowpoke" but give a shit when u say "moronic islamists". This hate insightful phrases sow seeds of religious hatred and intolerance. I know you hate muslims and islam it is a fact but be mature enough to hide it and control your emotions while typing.

texazzpete:
Both Muza and binkabir belong to the same religious group. And this now confirms that they belong to the ultra-fanatical sect that insist (despite all the evidence to the contrary) that there was no holocaust.

And to think Muza once seemed like a sensible fellow.

What has religion got to do with this thread for goodness sake. Must we look at every issue from our religous bias. Simple question you have jumped to attack a religous sect.

You either answer or dont answer its that simple.

bawomolo:
i don't see you screaming a more balanced middle-east policy when US aid is flowing into Egypt and Jordan.

The Middle eastern policy sits on Israeli -palestinian conflict not The puppets in Gaza and Jordan. The policy hangs on giving the palestinian their own viable state and israel withdraws to its 1967 borders for a start, dismatles the wall on palestinian land. They can have a whole fance going to the sky if they wish but on their land and not palestinian land.

bluespice:
if u noticed i asked him where he got his information from,
i can see ur source i can't see his
how fair can i be?
please if ur spoiling for a fight look further,
I'm trying to be as reasonable as possible in this argument

Of course i aint lukin for no fights and i fight no one here except with davidylan for his hate messages.

I take my statement back if it wasnt clear enough. I was just saying you should do an independent search yourself.

Syrian territory is occupied by Israel which is the Golan heights. So Syria is figting Israel as well in that regards and supports Hamas.

Syria is a major player of course in the region.

US is guilty of destabilising the region in its blanket and blind support for the terrorist State of Israel.

bluespice:
its is not becoming
it already is
the problem of the middleast is not isreal "occupying /invading"
its the thirst of supremacy by syria
thr root of problems in Lebanon?
syria
Iraq?
Syria
Isreal/Gaza?
by proxy, same syria!
case closed!

This is not true. Occupation is the problem. Israel is occupying the Golan heights, Occupyin West bank and east jerusalem. Tell Israel to go into its 1967 borders at the least and then whatever happens after that we can see if your statement are true but as of now it would forever remain a speculation

davidylan:
the story isnt true. I spent a good deal of time today researching the facts and it is another in the long line of examples of so-called "journalists" rushing to conclusions on every story that sounds like condemning Israel.

Even if it happened before your eyes u would still say it is untrue.

This news was reported on the biased BBC and even CNN.

reported by aljazeera
A boy from the Somouni family was interviewed live on tv
Israel has not denied it.
Israel wouldnt let cameras go there.

When have you becomed an investigative journalist spending a good time researching, Where did u search? the internet? Did u travel to Gaza or you have Olmerts direct line which you rang him.

Were you not the same person who said Saddam had financial links to 9-11 hijackers?
Were u not the same person who said 500 people were killed in Gaza and 400 hamas fighters?
Were u not the same person denying that there is no occupation of west bank, east jerusalem,
Were you not the same person that said killing of an innocent child is justified because he his hamas in incubation.

Please eat this jargon you posted here.

@Bluespice why not do your independent searches before u eat the rubbish David has posted here.

bluespice:
lagos boy!
from isreal shelling 100 and killing 30 people in a one bedroom apartment to using white phosphorus
when will u quit your shoddy journalism?

Have i said anything untrue, by the way you are on mute.

davidylan:
Learn the difference between chemical weapons and M825A1 155mm artillery smoke shells

Lord have mercy with these kinds of shoddy reporting.

If i didnt know you used to be good in chemistry i would have said your just a dumb goat.

Now what is the component of the jargon M825A1 bla bla bla you wrote here. Is it water or salt, Israel is using white phosphorus and i saw live pictures of this white smoke. The Norwegian doctor in Gaza also butressed this point as they are seeing injuries and burns consistent with white phosphorus White phosporus should not be used in a densly populated area not to talk of 1.5 million people in a 25 mile by 7 mile place. Using it like this is a war crime

Mark Regev hasnt denied it, The israel military has not denied it.

So what the hell are you writing here.

Davidylan honestly your posts are disgusting.

!000 people have been slaughtered now and it is still "pallywood"
4300 severely injured and it is still "pallywood"

Why has Israel refused foreign journalist into Gaza.

The UN General assembly president has called this a "Genocide" and you are psoting nonsense while people are been killed. Honestly I never knew we could have such insensitive Nigerians. The funniest thing is you claim to be a real christian. Even the Priests and Bishops of jerusalem support the palestinian cause , but in you "praying for the peace of jerusalem " is the slaughtering of innocent women and children.

As a lagosian I quite appreciate the good works of Fashola but i really think there is so much media hype than what is actually going on.

Tinubu has the media in his pockets so much that according to Wahab Dosunmu " he has developed a teflonic skin to which nothing derogatory sticks thanks to the media he has on his pay roll". There is so much curroption going on behind the scenes that Tinubu is involved in and i think Fashola doesnt have the power to correct this anomalies as the governor general is in firm control.

Anyway Fashola is a lot better than other 35 state governors but we should be careful of all this over praising as we have to raise the standards of governance and not judge on petty projects.

Talking about been president i dont think he would perfom well been that as at now he doesnt concern himself with any politics (Tinubu is in control) but just strictly governance. As president he would have to contend with the many politcs of the nation and with this comes distractions that erodes valuable man hours and devotion to governance.

Governance and politcking are 2 different things and often times only few people are good in both. As for me Fashola isnt a good poltician but a good administrator, tinubu is a smart politician and to an extent a good administrator as well.

This is just my personal perspective.

It is so funny how this thing davidylan shoots himself in the foot with this post.

He his full of contracdictions. first he denies there is no occupation and now says Israel seized a land.

His post even highlights Palestinian terittories before state of Israel.

Talking of Egypt and Jordan - there is a difference between the arab people and the arab goverments. These 2 countries govt are nothing but collaborators with Israel and are equally guilty especialliy Mubarak of Egypt. When you say the arabs dont want their bretheren that is false but say mubarak and Abdullah of Jordan.

These despots are supported by the US and e democratically elected govt of Hamas was never recognised what a hypocritical world.

RICHIE BOI:
isreali PM and co. should be charged for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Very true my guy. Even the UN has called for investigation into the extreme war crimes Israel is commiting in Gaza. Are these people Hamas as well? Those terrorists have achived no goal in Gaza apart from killing children and women.

Human Rights Watch has called on Israel to stop using white phosphorus which it says has been used in military operations in the densely populated Gaza Strip.

The US-based group said that its researchers observed the use of the chemical, which can burn away human flesh to the bone, over Gaza City and Jabaliya on Friday and Saturday.

"We went by Israeli artillery units that had white phosphorus rounds with the fuses in them," Marc Garlasco, a senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch, told Al Jazeera.

"Clearly it is [white phosphorus], we can tell by the explosions and the tendrils that go down [and] the fires that were burning," he said.

"Today there were massive attacks in Jabaliya when we were there. We saw that there were numerous fires once the white phosphorus had gone in."

'Obscurant'

International law permits the use of white phopshorus as an "obscurant" to cover troop movements and prevent enemies from using certain guided weapons, but its use is controversial as it can injure people through painful chemical burns.


"Even if they are using it as an obscurant, they are using it in a very densely populated area," Garlasco said.

"The problem is it covers such a wide area that when the white phosphorus wafers come down, over 100 in each artillery shell, they burn everything they touch and they don't stop burning until they are done.

"You are talking about skin damage, potentially homes going on fire, damage to infrastructure."

Human Rights Watch said that it believed the use of the chemical in Gaza violated the requirement under international humanitarian law to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian injury and loss of life.

The Israeli military has previously denied using white phosphorus during the 15-day offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has said that any munitions that it does use comply with international law.

Israel used white phophorus during its 34-day war against Lebanon's Hezbollah movement in 2006, while the United States used it during the controversial siege of the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004

The United Nations says it has received reports that about 30 Palestinians were killed when Israeli forces shelled a house after they had moved about 110 civilians inside it.

"According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitun, warning them to stay indoors," the UN report said on Friday.

"Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30."

The incident took place on Monday in the Zeitun neighbourhood of Gaza City on Monday, the report said.

The UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it "one of the gravest incidents since the beginning of operations" by Israeli forces in Gaza on December 27.

"Those who survived and were able walked two kilometres to Salah Ed Din road before being transported to hospital in civilian vehicles," OCHA said.

"Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital."

The Israeli military said on Friday that it had no knowledge of the incident.

Wounded wait

The Israeli B'Tselem human rights group quoted Meysa Fawzi al Samouni, a 19-year-old resident, as saying that soldiers forced her and dozens of others to move into the warehouse-like home of another resident before the attack.

"As far as I know, the dead and wounded who were under the ruins are still there," B'Tselem quoted her as saying.

"There was no water, no bread, nothing to eat"

Ibrahim Samouni,
13-year-old survivor of shelling


Ibrahim Samouni, a 13-year-old boy who was wounded in the leg and chest, told the Reuters news agency that he kept his three younger brothers alive and tried to help the injured adults lying among the dead after his mother was killed in the incident.

"There was no water, no bread, nothing to eat," he said.

"Abu Salah died, his wife died. Abu Tawfiq died, his son died, his wife also died. Mohammed Ibrahim died, and his mother died. Ishaq died and Nasar died. The wife of Nael Samouni died. Many people died."

Emergency workers from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the Palestinian Red Crescent said they were not able to reach the wounded for four days because Israel would not allow them safe passage.

They said the children were starving when rescuers finally reached them after the "unacceptable" delay.

"They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all, there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses," the ICRC said.

Civilian casualties

Pierre Wettach, the ICRC chief for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, said: "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded.

"Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded."

Israel has repreatedly insisted it has tried to avert civilian casualties during its two-week aerial and ground assault on the territory.

"From initial checking, we don't have knowledge of this incident. We started an inquiry but we still don't know about it," Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, said about the reported shelling incident.

More than 780 people, including at least 257 children and 56 women, have been killed during Israel's aerial bombardment and ground offensive, the UN has said

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200919135323309745.html

epi:
Thank you LagosKing for calling a spade a spade. I was deeply touched when I read your email.

Know this and I am speaking from experience - a week before the blood flow begins; we (women) get cranky and start having breast pain, moodiness, quarrelsome, hormone imbalances and so forth. Once the flow ends, we can be sane again until the next mid-cycle craps begin. .

I "think" bluespice is in her flow hence my reason to put her on mute. When I think the flow is over I’ll answer her.

Like me, you may want to put her on mute until the flow (PMS symptoms) is over

Take care and God be with you

@Epi

Your damn funny girl

I would heed your advice at put her on mute.

Its better for a person to state her mind rather than pretend to be neutral and writes a whole article defending Israels action while been unbiased. I think it is tantamount to hypocrisy.

**osisi:
Richy let's hear something jo
The other day you condemned me to hell fire
Tell hamas not to start rubbish again

The truth often hurts. Here is your brother telling you the truth but ur refusing to heed cos of the hate in you. It would lead no where!!!