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Israel never learns.

the fact remains hamas cannot be defeated. This aggression has only made them popular and would fuel support for them. Thats the bitter truth,

You cannot defeat an enemy not afraid to die it is just as simple as that. The IDF and Israeli public cant cope with large casualty and would eventually run away with their tails within their legs!!

As long as the rockets keep going to Israel, Israel has lost this war!!!!

@Davidylan

I tought you said israel was closing its borders? Is israels border on the Sea? What the hell is their right to close another mans territory and that is

justified under international law? Everysingle intelligent zionist seems to put his intelligence under his feet when it comes to the issue.

Now here we go again Islamic prpanganda!! ur favourite line, u cant make 2 lines without bringing ur religous sentiments  into play and like i keep saying it the day u free urself would be d day ur intelligence would work for you. As of the moment ur intelligence is in captvity perhaps in Israeli jails!!!

I tought you said israel was closing its borders? Is israels border on the Sea? What the hell is their right to close another mans territory and that is justified under international law? Everysingle intelligent zionist seems to put his intelligence under his feet when it comes to the issue.

Now here we go again Islamic prpanganda!! ur favourite line, u cant make 2 lines without bringing ur religous sentiments into play and like i keep saying it the day u free urself would be d day ur intelligence would work for you. As of the moment ur intelligence is in captvity perhaps in Israeli jails!!!

davidylan:
Can we all agree on one thing please? What is the definition of a "blockade"? Has a sovereign nation no right to shut its borders anymore?
Is the US going to lift its "blockade" of Mexico anytime soon?

Does Israels boarder include the airspace as well? Why do they refuse any air transport into Gaza. Why did they bomb Gaza airport?

Does Israels border include the Sea on the West of Gaza why do the IDF ships surround the whole Sea coast

This guy think before you type!!!!!

The Black Zionist congress Chairman how cum u are scared of The 5 strongest army in the world spending more than one week in Gaza? You shamelss cowards like your Zionist masters in Israel. If the IDF is strong let them go on man to man urban battle in Gaza that would be thier graveyards!!!

The guy is a good jew of course and that is exactly why we use the term ZIONISM as we know all the jews are not bad afterall. All jews are not Zionist and also all zionist are not jews as we have the christian zionist in america who the far right religous groups. Also some arab leaders like Mubarak of egypt deserves to be called a Zionist as well!!!

The guy is a good jew of course and that is exactly why we use the term ZIONISM as we know all the jews are not bad afterall. All jews are not Zionist and also all zionist are not jews as we have the christian zionist in america who the far right religous groups.

davidylan:
Arguing with these mindless robbots is a waste of time.

If it is then shut the F**ck up and go argue with urself. You opinionated heartless zionist!!! who says with one mouth killing of civilians is bad and praises the Israeli war crimes in Gaza.

I saw today on chanel four news 4 children killed today!!! Children playing and israeli missiles attack them i guess those are hamas fighters as well. The UN says at least 1/4 of the 430 dead so far are women and children not to mention that civilan males would be among the dead as well.

davidylan:
The IDF personally telephoned Rayyan to leave his house minutes before he was bombed . . . i'm sure HAMAS also phones Israeli schools before rocketing them.

What a lie , honestly everyday ur mouth just vomits lies. Can you tell us your source that the IDF phoned Rayyan their target of assasination do you think we are fools here? I guess you did the phone callas urself.

It was other Hamas leaders that requested he goes into hiding and he refused. This is a brave man and offered to die of the Israeli attacked. It was you the same jerk that said hamas leaders were hiding while palestinans are getting killed now a hamas leader stood his ground and u spitting garbage!
The IDF lacks any moral as u kill a man and 2 wives with 11 children and u tell me israel is not killing civilians i guess its just collateral damage.

The IDF was defeated by just Hezbollah. Israel just never learns, 7 days gone the objective of the airstrike is still a mirage rockets are still been fired exactly what happened with hezbollah as well the rockets kept comming till d last day of the war

All you Zionist apologetics are just shameless bunch of people !!!

@Davidylan

If you had been patient enough you would have got my response.

davidylan:
don't worry, be patient . . . i like to take my time to school hypocritical, knee-jerk, moronic islamists like you in some FACTUAL history.

The first thing i would say is I urge you to debate with respect. You should be matured enough to debate without throwing insults. "slowpoke" is a derogatory word you could take it back.

davidylan:
don't worry, be patient . . . i like to take my time to school hypocritical, knee-jerk, moronic islamists like you in some FACTUAL history.

ACTUALLY:

1. Palestine pre-1922 = Jordan + Gaza + Judea/Samaria (westbank) + Israel

so what have i said wrong? i repeat Israel today sits on Palestinian land True or False?

davidylan:
1. The British gave no land to the jews and actively sought to limit jewish migration to Israel while encouraging massive arab immigration. See Winston churchill's 1939 statement - Far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up (increase) the Jewish population.

Ruth Gruber notes in her book (Exodus 1947) - While in Jerusalem, [Gruber] learned that a former American pleasure boat, renamed the Exodus 1947, had attempted to deliver 4,500 Jewish refugees — including 600 children, mostly orphans — but was attacked by five British destroyers and a cruiser. Gruber left immediately for Haifa and witnessed the Exodus entering the harbor, looking, as Gruber wrote, "like a matchbox splintered by a nutcracker."

During the "battle," the British rammed the Exodus and stormed it with guns, tear gas and truncheons. Gruber noted that the crew, mostly Jews from America and Palestine, fought back with potatoes, sticks and cans of kosher meat. The Exodus’s second officer, Bill Bernstein of San Francisco, was clubbed to death trying to prevent a British soldier from entering the wheelhouse. Two orphans were killed, one shot in the face point blank after he tossed an orange at a soldier.

See you quoting from a book written by Ruth Gruber a Jew and you want me to believe its objectivity say that to the monkeys!! Who offered the land to the jews? Was it not the British? They had the mandate till 1948

davidylan:
2. The British in 1922 gave 85% of the mandate of Palestine to the Hashemite prince Abdullah from Mecca as a gift = Jordan today.

3. Following violent anti-semitic clashes, the league of nations opted in 1947 to divide what was left of the British mandate of Palestine into 2 (UN partition plan), one for the jews and for the arabs . . . with the arabs getting the lionshare of the land including Jerusalem. The arabs rejected this plan and proceeded (with the help of at least 6 arab nations including Syria, Jordan, Iraq) to invade Israel and sieze all the land for themselves . . . well the arabs lost!

ACTUALLY:

1. US, Britain and France in 1949 signed a tripartite agreement to ban the sales of weapons to Israel.

2. millions of dollars of weapons were sold by the US to arab countries during the period the embargo remained on Israel

3. Britain trained and armed the arab armies that invaded Israel in 1948.

ACTUALLY:

1. the arabs were given a separate state . . . please look up the UN partition plan of 1947.

2. The arabs REJECTED this state and instead chose to invade Israel.

1. there was never any arab palestinian land pre-1967.

2. Gaza was under Egyptian control pre-1967 while the West Bank/East Jerusalem remained under Jordanian control.

3. When the PLO was founded in 1964, it made NO mention of any "occupied" palestinian lands. Infact there was nothing like "palestinian" lands until 1988.

1. No since it was siezed from Jordan which has since refused to take it back.

See above.

Pls could you quote a reference for all this concotions and distortion of history you stated here before i state my facts one by one

@Dayoakanu

The question i asked you earlier was that Is Palestine under Occupation and the answer is YES.

According to the UN Security council (Which includes the US)
According to the UN General Assembly
According to the ICJ
According to the EU
Every single country of the world accepts that ISRAEL IS AN OCCUPYING POWER

that is the reason the rockets are firing

Israel leaves west bank and palestinans get a state the rockets would stop

Hamas has accepted a 2 state solution for a long tem truce with Israel unless Israel breaks the agreement.

Davidylan might cum here again and say Palestine is not under occupation but just ask him to say according to who?

@Davidylan i would answer you when i am less busy chill out

dayokanu:
@olabowale,
is this about Islam or about politics?

Davidylan said the Palestinian fight is about religion I didnt want to agree but all your post points to that.

@Dayo

Please lets debate this issue not on religion I have said this before and Davidylan has been the one dragging Religion into it. If you read all my posts I have argued based on simple international politics, history and common sense. Our religious differences should not come into play here as there Christians in Gaza that supports Hamas whole heartedly and voted for them. Like it or leave it HAMAS was democratically elected and NO IDIOT has the right to dictate to the Palestinians who they should choose as their leader. The common man trust HAMAS and not the corrupt Fatah people,

@Davidylan

I thought you had intelligence to know i have answered your question. The issue at hand is Palestine under Occupation? Here is what i responded to you on the other thread which you replied and i would reply in detail when i am less busy.

I REPEAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE AND PROBABLY THE ISRAELIS THAT DONT ACCEPT PALESTINE IS UNDER OCCUPATION EVEN THE US ACCEPTS ISRAEL IS AN OCCUPYING POWER!!!!!!!!

PLS YOUR LIES DISGUST ME THATS WHY I HAVENT EVEN REPLIED.

Can you give me an International Law reference or any Country that says Palestinian territories is not under occupation? If it is not a state then what is it

You dont understand International Law neither do you grasp the knowledge of the UN Charter

i cant keep saying the same thing on 3 threads

Here was my reply:
Davidylan wake up and your level of ignorance on international law and politics amazes me lets look at your comments.


Quote from: davidylan on Yesterday at 07:59:02 PM
1. Since when did the UN council become the arbiter for determining the legitimate borders of a sovereign nation? I bet you the same UN was no where to be found when Syria invaded Lebanon for 22 straight years.

2. The West Bank is "occupied territory" ONLY because the UN is largely railroaded by belligerent but oil-rich islamic nations, China and Russia (for their own oil and military trade benefits).

3. Israel has tried WITHOUT SUCCESS for the last 40 years to return the West Bank to Jordanian control but Jordan REFUSES to take it back why?? Israel got the land from Jordan NOT Mahmoud Abass.
The UN Gen assembly is an OIC/arab congregation in disguise so whatever they have to say is not binding on Israel as a sovereign nation.



1. The UN founded the international court of Justice and any border or boundary disputes can be resolved at the ICJ (example is Bakassi and Nigeria)

2. Do you now accept that the West Bank is occupied. You should have been humble enough to accept that you lied and swallowed your ego rather than implicitly accept and make excuse. Your excuse is so shallow and lacks intellect otherwise how can u say the Islamic nations have railroaded the UN when the whole world know the US weilds significant influence at the UN. The UN security council has US in it and any member can veto. The US has vetoed more than any nation in the council and 98% of this veto has been in support of Israel yet you peddle falshood and garbage that oil countries control the UN.

3. You mean the 108 member countries of the UN are all OIC countries wake up!! is Chavez and morales of venzueal and Bolivia islamic countries ? Make another excuse David!! Is South Africa an islamic country ? Your excuses and arguement never ceases to amaze me please use the intelligence you are supposed to possess please.

I have always said the moment u start to see isues without religious bias that day your inteligence would work for you!!
Your comments here are so ignorant and outright disgusting.

By Nir Rosen
When George Bush, the US president, first entered the White House as the commander-in-chief in 2001, Palestinians were being killed in the al-Aqsa intifada.

Eight years later, as Bush prepares to leave office, Israel is carrying out one of the largest massacres in its 60-year occupation of Palestine.

The US, then and now, strongly backs Israel's offensive, justifying it as being, in fact, defensive.

An Israeli general recently threatened to use military force to set Gaza back decades in much the same language used before the invasion of Lebanon in 2006.

But despite the Israeli devastation of Lebanon, Hezbollah emerged victorious and the Shia resistance and social movement emerged a hero to the Arab world.

Israel is about to make the same mistake with Hamas.

Its notion of a truce with Hamas was that the Palestinians would quietly accept the siege. Israel would deny them the basic means of survival, let alone the basic means to create a functioning society.

If the Palestinians attempted to resist, they would be crushed.

As in Lebanon, Israel should have learned years ago that military might cannot crush Palestinian resistance movements.

Media matters

While the Israeli military again bombs the starving and imprisoned population of 1.5 million Gazans, the world watches their plight live as Western media scrambles to explain and, in some cases, justify the ongoing carnage.

Even some Arab outlets have attempted to equate Palestinian resistance - and homemade rockets - with the might of the Israeli military machine.

However, none of this is a surprise; the Israelis just concluded a global public relations campaign to gather support for their assault, even gaining the collaboration of some Arab states.

An American periodical once asked me to contribute to a discussion on whether terrorism or attacks against civilians could ever be justified.


My answer was that an American journal should not be asking whether attacks on civilians can ever be justified. This is a question for the weak, such as the Native Americans 150 years ago, the Jews in Nazi Germany, and the Palestinians today, to answer.

Terrorism is a normative term which is used to describe what the 'other' does, not what 'we' do.

Powerful nations such as Israel, the US, Russia or China will always describe their victims' struggle as terrorism.

However, they fail to acknowledge as acts of terror the destruction of Chechnya, the slow slaughter of the remaining Palestinians, the repression of Tibetans, and the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Normative rules and what is legal and permissible are determined by the powerful. They formulate the concept of terrorism in normative terms and make it appear as if a neutral court derived such definitions instead of the oppressors.

For the weak to resist becomes illegal by definition.

This excessive use of legal jargon actually undermines the fundamentals of what is truly legal and diminishes the credibility of international institutions such as the UN. The law becomes the enemy of those who struggle.

It becomes apparent that the powerful - those who make the rules - insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.

Desperate resistance

Colonial powers use civilians strategically, settling them to claim land and dispossess the natives, be they indigenous populations in North America or Palestinians in what are today Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Attacking civilians, then, becomes the last, most desperate and basic method of resistance in the face of overwhelming odds and imminent eradication.

The Palestinians do not attack Israeli civilians with the expectation that such violence will destroy or defeat Israel.

When the native population understands that there is an irreversible dynamic stripping them of their land and identity with the support of an overwhelming power then they are forced to resort to whatever methods of resistance they can muster.

PLO, then Hamas

In 1948, when Israel was being established as a new state, 750,000 Palestinians were deliberately cleansed and expelled from their homes, and hundreds of their villages were destroyed.

Their lands were settled by colonists who even today deny their very existence and wage a 60-year war against the remaining natives and the national liberation movements the Palestinians established around the world.

Israel, its allies in the West and some regional Arab countries have managed to corrupt the leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) and entice them with the promise of power at the expense of liberty for their people.

This eventually neutralised and transformed the PLO into a liberation movement which collaborates with the occupier.

The focus then shifted to Hamas, a movement which won legislative elections nearly three years ago and thus became a target for the Israelis.

By enforcing an embargo and allowing Israel's siege of Gaza, the world has effectively told the Palestinians that they are unfit for democracy.

Isolation and radicalisation

By informing them that they are not free to choose the leaders they trust but must conform to the requirements set in place by others, the world community is only further isolating and radicalising the Palestinians.


Demonstrations across the world have expressed anger at Israel's offensive [AFP]
This radicalisation has increased several-fold as Israel pounds Palestinian infrastructure, saying it is solely targeting Hamas targets.

This is not true, however; Israeli forces have targeted Palestinian police forces, killing some such as Tawfiq Jaber, the chief of police - a former PLO official who stayed on in his post after Hamas took control of Gaza.

With the vestiges of security and order debilitated in successive Israeli military campaigns, chaos will prevail in Gaza. If Hamas is weakened it will not be a more moderate Palestinian group which will take the helm.

It will not be the weakened, corrupted and unpopular Fatah, but a more extreme group who have been persuaded through blockades and incessant Israeli attacks that compromise and negotiations with Tel Aviv are ill-fated.

Failed policies

In the past 60 years, Israeli leaders have toed the line that 'the only language Arabs understand is force'.

However, it is Israel that has routinely used violence to solve problems. During the 2002 Arab Summit in Beirut, the Arab League collectively offered Israel a framework to end the bloodshed and move towards a comprehensive regional peace deal. Israel responded by invading Jenin and killing hundreds.

Last month, Fatah launched a media campaign to revive the 2002 peace initiative, but this, too, has been answered with Israel's extreme brutality.

A Zionist Israel is no longer a viable long-term project. Israeli settlements, land expropriation and separation barriers have long since made a two-state solution impossible.

There can be only one state in historic Palestine. In coming decades, Israelis will be confronted with a fundamental question - whether to ensure the peaceful transition towards an egalitarian society in which Palestinians are given the same rights as Jews.

The alternative in a few years will become untenable.

History has shown that colonialism has only worked when most of the natives have been exterminated. But often, as in occupied Algeria, it is the settlers who flee. Eventually the Palestinians will not be willing to compromise and accept one state for both people, and the Jewish colonists will be forced to leave.

Restoring Palestine

Despite its lack of initiative for the Middle East peace process, the White House has in recent years been unable to dislodge the occupation of Palestine as the main motive for every anti-American militant in the Arab world and beyond.

It is the common denominator by which Arab populist policies are shaped. Invading Iraq or offering economic benefits to frontline states will not make the Palestinian issue go away.

During my travels and research, I have spoken with jihadists in Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia and elsewhere; they all mentioned the Palestinian struggle as one of their motivations.

The US will pay a price for backing Israel. Soon the so-called moderate Arab dictatorships that collaborate with the US hegemony in the region will find themselves in untenable positions.

Loss of credibility

Already we see tensions increasing in the region. Damascus has pulled out of third-party talks with Tel Aviv and Arab anger has been mounting not just at Israel, and not just at America, but also at their own regimes which have collaborated with Washington.

Some Israelis have started to realise their government's flawed approach. While 81 per cent of Israelis

support the military campaign, a poll has showed only 39 per cent believe it will succeed in removing Hamas or reducing violence.

An editorial in Haaretz, an Israeli daily, even went so far as to label Israel "the region's bully".

Barack Obama, the US president-elect, remains silent as Israel kills Palestinians with impunity. In his silence he expresses his complicity.

Nir Rosen is a Beirut-based journalist, fellow at the New York University Center on Law and Security and the author of The Triumph of the Martyrs: A Reporter's Journey into Occupied Iraq.

Article by Nir Rosen

When George Bush, the US president, first entered the White House as the commander-in-chief in 2001, Palestinians were being killed in the al-Aqsa intifada.

Eight years later, as Bush prepares to leave office, Israel is carrying out one of the largest massacres in its 60-year occupation of Palestine.

The US, then and now, strongly backs Israel's offensive, justifying it as being, in fact, defensive.

An Israeli general recently threatened to use military force to set Gaza back decades in much the same language used before the invasion of Lebanon in 2006.

But despite the Israeli devastation of Lebanon, Hezbollah emerged victorious and the Shia resistance and social movement emerged a hero to the Arab world.

Israel is about to make the same mistake with Hamas.

Its notion of a truce with Hamas was that the Palestinians would quietly accept the siege. Israel would deny them the basic means of survival, let alone the basic means to create a functioning society.

If the Palestinians attempted to resist, they would be crushed.

As in Lebanon, Israel should have learned years ago that military might cannot crush Palestinian resistance movements.

Media matters

While the Israeli military again bombs the starving and imprisoned population of 1.5 million Gazans, the world watches their plight live as Western media scrambles to explain and, in some cases, justify the ongoing carnage.

Even some Arab outlets have attempted to equate Palestinian resistance - and homemade rockets - with the might of the Israeli military machine.

However, none of this is a surprise; the Israelis just concluded a global public relations campaign to gather support for their assault, even gaining the collaboration of some Arab states.

An American periodical once asked me to contribute to a discussion on whether terrorism or attacks against civilians could ever be justified.


My answer was that an American journal should not be asking whether attacks on civilians can ever be justified. This is a question for the weak, such as the Native Americans 150 years ago, the Jews in Nazi Germany, and the Palestinians today, to answer.

Terrorism is a normative term which is used to describe what the 'other' does, not what 'we' do.

Powerful nations such as Israel, the US, Russia or China will always describe their victims' struggle as terrorism.

However, they fail to acknowledge as acts of terror the destruction of Chechnya, the slow slaughter of the remaining Palestinians, the repression of Tibetans, and the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Normative rules and what is legal and permissible are determined by the powerful. They formulate the concept of terrorism in normative terms and make it appear as if a neutral court derived such definitions instead of the oppressors.

For the weak to resist becomes illegal by definition.

This excessive use of legal jargon actually undermines the fundamentals of what is truly legal and diminishes the credibility of international institutions such as the UN. The law becomes the enemy of those who struggle.

It becomes apparent that the powerful - those who make the rules - insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.

Desperate resistance

Colonial powers use civilians strategically, settling them to claim land and dispossess the natives, be they indigenous populations in North America or Palestinians in what are today Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Attacking civilians, then, becomes the last, most desperate and basic method of resistance in the face of overwhelming odds and imminent eradication.

The Palestinians do not attack Israeli civilians with the expectation that such violence will destroy or defeat Israel.

When the native population understands that there is an irreversible dynamic stripping them of their land and identity with the support of an overwhelming power then they are forced to resort to whatever methods of resistance they can muster.

PLO, then Hamas

In 1948, when Israel was being established as a new state, 750,000 Palestinians were deliberately cleansed and expelled from their homes, and hundreds of their villages were destroyed.

Their lands were settled by colonists who even today deny their very existence and wage a 60-year war against the remaining natives and the national liberation movements the Palestinians established around the world.

Israel, its allies in the West and some regional Arab countries have managed to corrupt the leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) and entice them with the promise of power at the expense of liberty for their people.

This eventually neutralised and transformed the PLO into a liberation movement which collaborates with the occupier.

The focus then shifted to Hamas, a movement which won legislative elections nearly three years ago and thus became a target for the Israelis.

By enforcing an embargo and allowing Israel's siege of Gaza, the world has effectively told the Palestinians that they are unfit for democracy.

Isolation and radicalisation

By informing them that they are not free to choose the leaders they trust but must conform to the requirements set in place by others, the world community is only further isolating and radicalising the Palestinians.


Demonstrations across the world have expressed anger at Israel's offensive [AFP]
This radicalisation has increased several-fold as Israel pounds Palestinian infrastructure, saying it is solely targeting Hamas targets.

This is not true, however; Israeli forces have targeted Palestinian police forces, killing some such as Tawfiq Jaber, the chief of police - a former PLO official who stayed on in his post after Hamas took control of Gaza.

With the vestiges of security and order debilitated in successive Israeli military campaigns, chaos will prevail in Gaza. If Hamas is weakened it will not be a more moderate Palestinian group which will take the helm.

It will not be the weakened, corrupted and unpopular Fatah, but a more extreme group who have been persuaded through blockades and incessant Israeli attacks that compromise and negotiations with Tel Aviv are ill-fated.

Failed policies

In the past 60 years, Israeli leaders have toed the line that 'the only language Arabs understand is force'.

However, it is Israel that has routinely used violence to solve problems. During the 2002 Arab Summit in Beirut, the Arab League collectively offered Israel a framework to end the bloodshed and move towards a comprehensive regional peace deal. Israel responded by invading Jenin and killing hundreds.

Last month, Fatah launched a media campaign to revive the 2002 peace initiative, but this, too, has been answered with Israel's extreme brutality.

A Zionist Israel is no longer a viable long-term project. Israeli settlements, land expropriation and separation barriers have long since made a two-state solution impossible.

There can be only one state in historic Palestine. In coming decades, Israelis will be confronted with a fundamental question - whether to ensure the peaceful transition towards an egalitarian society in which Palestinians are given the same rights as Jews.

The alternative in a few years will become untenable.

History has shown that colonialism has only worked when most of the natives have been exterminated. But often, as in occupied Algeria, it is the settlers who flee. Eventually the Palestinians will not be willing to compromise and accept one state for both people, and the Jewish colonists will be forced to leave.

Restoring Palestine

Despite its lack of initiative for the Middle East peace process, the White House has in recent years been unable to dislodge the occupation of Palestine as the main motive for every anti-American militant in the Arab world and beyond.

It is the common denominator by which Arab populist policies are shaped. Invading Iraq or offering economic benefits to frontline states will not make the Palestinian issue go away.

During my travels and research, I have spoken with jihadists in Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia and elsewhere; they all mentioned the Palestinian struggle as one of their motivations.

The US will pay a price for backing Israel. Soon the so-called moderate Arab dictatorships that collaborate with the US hegemony in the region will find themselves in untenable positions.

Loss of credibility

Already we see tensions increasing in the region. Damascus has pulled out of third-party talks with Tel Aviv and Arab anger has been mounting not just at Israel, and not just at America, but also at their own regimes which have collaborated with Washington.

Some Israelis have started to realise their government's flawed approach. While 81 per cent of Israelis support the military campaign, a poll has showed only 39 per cent believe it will succeed in removing Hamas or reducing violence.

An editorial in Haaretz, an Israeli daily, even went so far as to label Israel "the region's bully".

Barack Obama, the US president-elect, remains silent as Israel kills Palestinians with impunity. In his silence he expresses his complicity.

Nir Rosen is a Beirut-based journalist, fellow at the New York University Center on Law and Security and the author of The Triumph of the Martyrs: A Reporter's Journey into Occupied Iraq.

@poster you topic doesnt fit the content. Iranians are not arabs they are persians.

dayokanu:
@birdman,
What difference does it make if its a state actor or a terror group. The matter remains Israel is being attacked.
That they don't have a defined borders means they can launch rockets at a state?

I don't understand

You do not understand because u have never cared to ask yourself this question?

Is Palestine under occupation?

When you answerr that you should know why the rockets are firing.

IDF is a cowardly Army that crumbled and showed their weaknesss at the Hands of Hezbollah. Rockets were fired into Israel till the last day of the war!!! Israel "invincible tanks" were blown up with soldiers dying in it, then they run to the UN asking for ceasefire and ran back to their fortress!!!

Open the crossings and give Hamas waepons they wouldnt fire rockets again and lets see their stronger army.

Shameless IDF!!!

Thanx for this Richyblack .

@Davidylan this is your fellow christian talking. You can also quick to call him a moronic Islamist spreading propaganda.

Shameless Nigerians supporting the state of Israel!!!

Funny many nigerian girls would rush over their heels to marry this man because he his a governor and weilds power and rich. They now cum here to say blah blah blah. If this man should go to moremi hall in Unilag hundreds of girls would fight themselves to sleep with him. Pls lets be real at least we knw the presidents daughter hasn’t married him in order to be richer.

naijaking1:
Send wishes? You must be kidding. Congratulate a pedophile for his newest victim?
So while other state governors around the World are busy trying to creat more jobs, balance the budgets, and improve education; Yuguda would be busy figuring out how to satisfy his 4 wives.

Pls i think we should separate a persons personal life from governance. This guy hasnt done anything wrong you called him a peadophile. Do you know the definition of that word? This girl is 21yrs old and married this man out of her free will ( i suppose) so whats the problem. An educated girl knows what she is doing.

We all knw many Nigerian men date younger girls fit to be their daughter so whats the big problem in it if he marries her and she is willing to marry him it is nobody's business.

What concerns us is public looting

It is amazing the level of bias on this thread and the blindness of some fellows due to the religious inclinations. The zionist are no christians and detest christians.

Davidylan wake up and your level of ignorance on international law and politics amazes me lets look at your comments

davidylan:
1. Since when did the UN council become the arbiter for determining the legitimate borders of a sovereign nation? I bet you the same UN was no where to be found when Syria invaded Lebanon for 22 straight years.

2. The West Bank is "occupied territory" ONLY because the UN is largely railroaded by belligerent but oil-rich islamic nations, China and Russia (for their own oil and military trade benefits).

3. Israel has tried WITHOUT SUCCESS for the last 40 years to return the West Bank to Jordanian control but Jordan REFUSES to take it back why?? Israel got the land from Jordan NOT Mahmoud Abass.
The UN Gen assembly is an OIC/arab congregation in disguise so whatever they have to say is not binding on Israel as a sovereign nation.

1. The UN founded the international court of Justice and any border or boundary disputes can be resolved at the ICJ (example is Bakassi and Nigeria)

2. Do you now accept that the West Bank is occupied. You should have been humble enough to accept that you lied and swallowed your ego rather than implicitly accept and make excuse. Your excuse is so shallow and lacks intellect otherwise how can u say the Islamic nations have railroaded the UN when the whole world know the US weilds significant influence at the UN. The UN security council has US in it and any member can veto. The US has vetoed more than any nation in the council and 98% of this veto has been in support of Israel yet you peddle falshood and garbage that oil countries control the UN.

3. You mean the 108 member countries of the UN are all OIC countries wake up!! is Chavez and morales of venzueal and Bolivia islamic countries ? Make another excuse David!! Is South Africa an islamic country ? Your excuses and arguement never ceases to amaze me pls use the intelligence you are supposed to possess pls.

I have always said the moment u start to see isues without religious bias that day your inteligence would work for you!!
Your comments here are so ignorant and outright disgusting.

davidylan:
na the only thing wey concern me be that.

innocent wetin? No truce abeg . . . fire for fire let me enjoy prime-time viewing of F-16 Jets pulverising those morons until they can't even remember what a rocket looks like.

I am sure Christianity did not teach you this but your hate filled heart taught u the bombing of civilians by F-16 is an entertainment.

Honestly the most ebarrassing thing is that these jargons are comming from Nigerians and blacks.

Israel said the same thin in Labanon before Hezbollah taught them a lesson they would never forget. They lost the war and ran back into their fortress. Air raid never wins a war ask the US in Afghanistan or IDF in Labanon

davidylan:
2 things are important here: perpective and history.

1. the west bank was judea/samaria and a bonafide part of Israel until 1949 when it was forcefully annexed by Jordan and renamed the West Bank. Now the name "west bank" comes from Jordanian (NOT ARAB PALESTINIANS) in geographical reference to its location west of the Jordan river from the jordanian side. the jordan river is east of Israel.

2. If the west bank is under occupation (assuming your blatant lies are true) . . . then why are the rockets coming for Gaza only?

Davidylan perhaps if you read the below extraction from wiki you would tell me who is lying me or you. You are just an opinionated and biased minded fellow. Even the US/EU acknowledges west bank as an occupied territory. In the other thread you said i was a moronic islamist. My goodness!! Must you analyse all issues from your religious bias? Is the UN security council islamist for clling West Bank an occupied territory? It is no point debaiting with you because u seem to only read zionist history books hence your lack of objectivity. How on earth can u lie that West bank is not under occupation.!!! My God!!!

The status of territories captured by Israel is a matter of discussion. Although the United Nations Security Council and the International Court of Justice both describe the West Bank and Golan Heights as "occupied territory" under international law, Israel's government calls all of them "disputed" rather than "occupied", a distinction generally rejected by the international community. Israel's government also states that since the Gaza disengagement of 2005, it does not militarily occupy the Gaza strip, a statement rejected by Human Rights Watch. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_territories_captured_by_Israel

davidylan:
Define the word "truce". How do you have a "truce" if HAMAS all the while kept on firing rockets into Israel?
to say it was brought down to a minimum is laughable.

The world media acknowledged there was a massive significant reduction in rockets. On the other hand Israel promised to ease the blockade after 6 days , no rocket was fired during those 6 days but 6 months after crossing easing is still a mirage.

davidylan:
we are tired of foolish people always condemning. Go live under HAMAS rockets for 2 weeks then come back to condemn.
Its easy to condemn from your cozy office in NY.

Yes everyone that condemns Israel is foolish you are the only wise fellow on earth because you suppurt the state of Israel. Does that make you happy?

UN sec gen is foolish!!
French president is Foolish!!
The UN Gen assembly that has dozens of resolution against Israel is foolish!!
Davidylan is the only wise person!!

@Jarus

Jazakallah bro for ur insightful reminder concerning the Jinns

Davidylan stop being cheeky and answer the question. We are not talking of a name here we are talking of Land.

The whole land on which Israel sits on was called Palestine before 1948. The British even had what we call "British Mandate of Palestine" 1920-1948. It was after the mandate some land was given to the jews by the British and the US aided them to get it statehood at the UN and tdid not give the surrounding area which is Palestine a state. (A simple Wiki search would show you this)

Now my question is the Palestinian land pre 1967 borders occupied? Is the West Bank Occupied? Is East Jeruasalem occupied? These are my questions to you

typical Nigerian- answering question with question.

Palestine name has been used since the Roman empire days.

Let me rephrase my questions

Are the Palestinian terrortories occupied? Dont be cheeky and answer the question sincerely

David can i ask you one question as well?

Is Palestine under occupation?

davidylan:
Which part of "palestine" is under occupation? Gaza is practically jew-free so why the firing of 100 rockets a day into Sderot? Is that part of palestine too?
why arent the HAMAS hypocrites firing rockets into Jordan?

Davidylan are u inferring that the west bank is not part of Palestine? The Westbank is under occupation and Israel withdrew from Gaza to consolidate its hold on West Bank. New settlements are being built and the ceasefire agreement was to halt it.

Isreal promised to open the crossings 6 days after the truce 6 months went and it is still a mirage. The world media acknowledged that the rocket fire were brought down to a minimum during the Truce.  

Why should they fire rockets into Jordan we are talking of Palestine Pre 1967 borders.

davidylan:
If you need more evidence that the Israeli-Palestinian crisis is about religion instead of land then look no further than the moronic rantings of Muhsin.

Where was ur outrage at the "carnage" in Darfur, Somalia and Afghanistan?
where was ur outrage at the "carnage" on 9-11, 7-7 and Mumbai?
Where was ur outrage at the "carnage" that was the 8-yr Iran/Iraq war?

1. So your problem with HAMAS is not that they fire missiles unprovoked to kill innocent kindergarten children but that they fire less effective missiles? why then are you outraged that Israel chooses to fire more effective weapons?

2. Ashdod, Jerusalem, Sderot, Tel Aviv have NEVER been palestinian territory so wake up from your islamically-induced slumber.

2. the French president has no other choice, he has a huge population of members of the "religion of peace" in his country.

Save your anger . . . the jews could care less. Thank God Israel has rejected the phony cries of a truce by the UN . . . until HAMAS is utterly crushed more smart bombs will rain on Gaza . . . let me sit back and enjoy the spectacle. Next time don't poke a tiger with a stick.

Davidylan dont distract us from the topic at hand Somalia,IranIraq qar or Dafur are on other threads. Now your point
2. you said jeruslem has never being palestine do u know the 1948 borders? Do u know Pre 1948 palestine perhaps you should check before rattling nonsense here
3. You seem to always have a negative excuse to everything that doesnt suit you. French president condemns you say because of the muslim poulation thats why? Is not France that banned these muslim population use of headscarves. Pls we are not foolish or ignorant people here Sarkozy saw the massacre and his conscience could not but prick him to condemn isrealis action. Remember he has jewish roots!!

davidylan:
Save your anger . . . the jews could care less. Thank God Israel has rejected the phony cries of a truce by the UN . . . until HAMAS is utterly crushed more smart bombs will rain on Gaza . . . let me sit back and enjoy the spectacle. Next time don't poke a tiger with a stick.

See you hypocrite shedding crocodile tears at 9/11 and enjoying the massacre of helpless palestine. You are morally currupt and dont have any moral justification to condemn any terrorist act again you are on the same side of the coin as terrorist who kill civilians.

Give Hamas tanks and F16 and watch them wipe out the evil Israeli state.

Ban ki moon condemned
Sarkozy condemned
Even a former Israeli intelligence chief condemned (I would get his name)

Here are you folks enjoying massacre. Thinkin the zionist are ur buddies

They would even say he can have 10 concubines outside as long as there is no other Mrs Bleep. The day d guy dies diff kids would be popping up withtheir mothers claiming a share of the guys estate.

@Bastage

You always prove me right when i say you talk like an hypocrite. Now just one question for you

Do you support Israeli action in Gaza?

@Bastage

You always prove me right when i say you talk like an hypocrite. Now just one question for you

Do you support Israeli action in Gaza?

He was arrested not for terrorism but for harrasment to the Leader of Iraq or something like that. For sure he his not a terrorist