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tctrills:
You speak with out stats. Who said Lagos is 80% under Yoruba control? You don't just make up figures for the sake of argument.
Again you claim El rufai claim is false still without pointing to any evidence.
No one will take you serious if you don't have evidence backing your arguments.
Have a nice day

What percentage of Lagos informal economy do you think is Yoruba controlled?. 80 percent is just an estimate but markets, artisans, transportation private schools, hotels, petrol stations, bakeries etc etc. What percentage do you think is Yoruba?.

emmanuelbrown26:
This is d only Yoruba governor I'm keeping my eyes on
In d east, Oti is d only igbo governor I'm keeping my eyes on
While in d north Zulum Is d only northern governor I'm keeping my eyes on
D rate of out of school children in Yoruba is alarming. Kids hv taken up tout and agbero as an occupation.
I was asking my kid question one day, what he would like to become, d next thing that came out of d boy's mouth was shocking. "I will like to be a conductor"
Yoruba hv really lost it, they hv taken over from our northern brothers in begging and otherwise.

The out of school kids in west and east is the same percentage. So why worry about west and leave east?. Don't you know the west is almost three times of the east in population?. The East is only above Lagos by a little.

tctrills:
Everything you said is your personal opinion and you are wrong.

I have no problem with what Yorubas do in PH, Abuja and anywhere in Nigeria because I am no tribalist. And I support their achievements.

But then, the formal minister of the FTC, el-Rufai confessed that Igbos own 73% of the property in Abuja.

The formal governor of Plateau said the same about Jos.

Rabiu Kwankwaso said Igbos own more land in the north than the entire south east.

So clearly, Igbos are contributing to every state of Nigeria.

You claim that the average Igbo man pays no tax to that, I will say that you are uninformed.

The informal economy of Lagos which is eighty percent under Yoruba control is yet to start paying tax and the majority of Igbos in Lagos are part of the informal economy of Lagos. People have gone to the land registry in Abuja and found the El rufai claim to be false. Only God knows why he made the claim. The number one state with most landlords in Abuja is Katsina according to reports Igbos can not own land in the North more than SE because the entire built up area of Nigeria may not exceed maybe Niger state if up to that and the rest will be farmland and etc. Use your own head and not be listening to politicians. There is no Nigerian city containing more Igbos than Yorubas except Igbo cities

emmanuelbrown26:
That's d problem with Yorubas, they like to massage their ego. D records are their, both human capital and otherwise.
Aside Lagos, there's no other Yoruba state that can match east

But there is no urban center in the whole east to compare to Ibadan Ogbomoso Abeokuta Ilesa Ile Ife etc. They are all traditional capitals with surrounding towns aligned with them and under them in one traditional nation running into millions. Where in the east is like that?. In the East, villages are on their own and individuals are the same and that is the problem you need to go back home and solve. Only Onitsha is close followed by Arochukwu. Eastern cities are only upcoming and the average Eastern state is only like the average western state that is not taking tax like Lagos but the west is more organised. No state in the east. Not one is better than Osun state. None is better than Ijesa land

tctrills:
Your arguments here are not really good. If the Igbos have been laying claims to Lagos then Lagos GDP is great news for Igbos.
And the fact that one guy argued with a bus driver is no excuse for your tribalism.

There are more Igbos in Lagos than in Anambra so if Lagos IGR is great it's partly due to the Igbo contribution.
More Igbos contribute to the IGR of Lagos than that of any other Igbo state.
So why do you think this isn't great news for the Igbos?

There is nothing special Igbos add to Lagos more than the Lebanese, Chinese, Indians and etc. Yorubas do more in PH, Kaduna, Onitsha, Maiduguri, Jos, London etc than Igbos do in Lagos or will ever be able to do in Lagos. Lagos only has more population than others is the difference but not more cosmopolitan than PH, Abuja and others. If other states tackle IGR like Lagos is doing then they will make it according to their population size compared to Lagos. Anambra can make over one quarter of Lagos IGR and Yorubas in the place spend billions every day. Therefore stop saying Igbos are adding anything at all to Yoruba land that Yoruba are not adding to Igbo land because if you stay anywhere you will spend money there and in Lagos for now the average Igbo business pay no tax

Osun can easily do one third of whatever Lagos does overtime since it has immense agro allied potential but who will do the work?

Lagos is paying 500k workers while FGN is paying 700k. Lagos governor and Nigerian President are peers and I have said it years ago that Lagos may soon surpass the FG and the Lagos governor will becone the most important person in the country by bukata and etc. However the combination of Ogun and Oyo best Lagos in everything including population, industries amd IGR potential but they are not ready to do the work yet.

NewDea4:
You forgot his alpha beta is consultant to the same lirs; paye is per head,your receipt is electronic and personal to you it has nothing to do with your manager. And they are multiple other taxes on both corporate and individual entities apart from paye

PAYE has a formula on excel and a company is supposed to provide a table containing all names of workers to the LIRS then they will pay in bulk and will be issued receipt. The LIRS is supposed to issue each worker a tax clearance via the company management. That is how it works and it is majority of Lagos revenue but not up to ten maybe five percent of what is possible is being collected. Alpha beta as a consultant is probably being paid a percentage but the people going around to monitor the companies paying in are Lagos civil servants working in the LIRS and not alpha beta. If monthly collection is presently twenty billion naira I believe the potential is north of 100 billion naira. If all employers from shop to shop are captured and companies owing 500k that pay only 30k are also monitored.. You see my point?. Alpha beta is definitely being paid but they are not the ones doing the work. I know people who used to hound me about when I was COO of a group of company in Lekki Lagos

In Ilesa there have been several riots over Oyo dominance in the college of education when we were young. One individual is different and sovereign from individual person up and the non recognition of this fact will mean progress will be impossible in the main time. Ijesa as it is is one nation and can even be an European nation with seat st the UNGA. It is that Ijesa nation as a unit that was created over one thousand years ago whose members are greeted the same way, whose land contain over two million people that can be a unit that will align itself anyhow it likes and that is the only way real progress can start. No other way and it is too late for any group to conquer any other group. When Nigeria breaks up any group in a Yoruba majority country must keep their own culture and language in their own country while those aspiring for national leadership will have to learn the Yoruba language. One thousand words, two hundred phrases and you have thorough fluency. All other groups should align the same way. If you speak Igbo, Hausa etc then align with those groups for better output and management of resources. This is all what needs to be done so that Nigeria will stop being a blight on Earth surface. If Ijesa and Ibadan are distinct or me and you how much more Yoruba and Igbo. Which other country has been fighting a verbal civil war for 53 years?. How can there be progress in the midst of war?

NewDea4:
Lagos is in fact overcollecting and under-reporting, the bulk of revenue ends up in private pocket abi where do you people think Tinubu's stupendous wealth came from? And he is not the only one everyone involved in the process is also eating I e. stealing. Ditto Ogun state

PAYE is the bulk of Lagos revenue but it is paid directly into LIRS and your receipt as a company must be handy but not up to ten percent of what is due is paid by any company. A company where a manager should pay fifty thousand per month will record thirty five thousand per month for fifty workers. That is the situation presently but that pittance is still what forms the bulk of Lagos revenue. Money being stolen by Tinubu is via other channels and not from shorting revenue

tctrills:
So Holland does not label chocolates as Agricultural products. But then, you have a point, they have higher margins on their products. Still, for agriculture to be successful it must not be labor intensive. Labor-intensive agriculture is actually poor agriculture.

Here are some of Holland's exports for 2022
The main commodity groups in agricultural exports were dairy products and eggs (€ 11.9 bln), floricultural products (€ 11.5 bln), meat (€ 11 bln), drinks (€ 8.1 bln) and natural oils and fats (€ 8.1 bln). These top five accounted for 41% of the total export value in 2022.

Yes I agree that no industry should be manual labor intensive. That should be under control as much as possible. Brain use is more important. Every mundane task that can be automated should be automated but Europe produce more per Capita than Nigeria simply because of a lower dependency ratio meaning a higher number of worker per Capita. In Nigeria here it is a higher number of children per Capita but in twenty years it should be different if everything changes and people are not emigrating that much after becoming adults anymore. In Holland, productivity is high and yet mouth to feed is not much so they will be able to export more. They also will be able to produce eggs, milk, dairy products etc cheaper than most because Denmark is the leader or superpower for cheap energy for now. Netherland energy production is at mediocre costs because of wind power especially, of which they are the leader on the globe. No need for batteries and etc or downtime when the sun is down as is the problem with solar. Imagine what that can mean for industry in general. Imagine what it means for poultry farming industry?. In Nigeria a major expense of poultry farmers apart from feed is electrical power. If there are some countries where power has become very cheap, it is starting from Netherlands then other places like Ireland too a country of around five million where hundreds of thousands of homes are powered with wind at mediocre costs. I don't think Nigeria's total export can be more than 100 billion dollars but no data. However forex inflow from other sources should be much more than that and any forex inflow is categorized under export but in Holland they are not doing online fraud, they don't have a huge film industry and remittances will be negligible and there are many remote workers based in Nigeria as well since cost of living is cheap. You can be anywhere and work for google etc. Then Nigeria still has tens of exportable agricultural farm produce not in Netherlands including cocoa coffee cashew palm oil even cassava kolanuts palm kernel shell and etc apart from others that is shared like maybe charcoal but Europe is a net importer of charcoal and there are many people here in Nigeria feeding their family from charcoal export to Europe. Farming is harder in southern Nigeria because animals are not used but going forward tractors can be used especially when oil price crashes but there is a need for government to become serious as all these things are not difficult if there is visionary leadership that are really concerned about the nation gaining parity with the most successful nations regardless of skin color or geographical location. Then high margins don't really exist in any industry that is not a monopoly. Even monopolies do reduce price by themselves. West African produce board of the Western Nigerian government was a monopoly based on an understanding built on trust

softy:
You said it is not true The bolded above in ur statement agreed with my first post. Enugu I want you to note that Enugu town is a part of Enugu state.

I gave you a testimony of what we are currently experiencing in Enugu town (what you called metropolis). As I am talking to you, I am very close to Old Park, right now.

Contradicting urself is not nice, bro!

When it comes to accommodation, it is also not cheap and easy in Enugutown (what you referred herein as 'metropolis')

One Room self contain (that is, a room with one toilet, small kitchen was paid for by my friend: Total package was 700K. While rent alone is 500K/year

Do you know that a bachelor paying 500k per annum for rent must be earning close to three million naira per annum to pay so much? And that is a bachelor apartment meaning the person is between 25 and 32 earning 3 million per annum in Enugu. How many companies exist in Enugu that can pay that? There will be some but not many as it is around 300k per month for a graduate of around five years

tctrills:
I totally disagree with you. We are already taking agriculture way too serious. We already have too many people involved in agriculture. We have more than 3x the number of farmers in US or in the EU.
With less than 5% of it's labour force involved in agriculture, Holland exports over 100 billion dollars of agricultural products.
We don't need more farmers, we need better farmers and clearly we don't have the right policies.
Note, Holland has a smaller land size than Nigeria state.

Holland can not sell one hundred billion dollar food to any country. The figure is too high. It may be things like chocolates and other developed products but not farm produce and anything not farm produce is another sector because you can not count chocolate export with cocoa export

Dshocker:
Guy, all these things you are writing here, i don't understand.

Anambra generally is not a food producing state, the farmers there are small scale farmers, apart from coscharis who does large commercial farming in Anambra.

Even small scale farming is something and farming will soon return to it's rightful position as the most profitable occupation. That coscharis can do it means others can unless land has finished. Somebody producing ten tonnes of maize and also of cassava apart from others is in big business of close to ten million naira a year and if rent is even across the globe such a person will be able to train a kid even in the US as it used to be. What is difficult to understand in my post?

Dshocker:
Anambra state are not known for farming, because we have small land mass, most farmers there are not large scale farmers.

So i don't know what and how a Yoruba person became a commercial farmer in Oba.

There is no place in the SE where they don't farm cassava, yams, ogbono, palm trees and many others. It is a multi million dollar industry which also exports and majoring only in palm oil can earn the state forex. So they also farm and if a Yoruba is married there he or she will join them only that they will not leave SW to go there for the purpose of farming. However other things can definitely take them there like missionary work, civil service, produce buying, construction contracts and etc The thing to say in conclusion is that taxation should never be targeted at any group. It should be uniform. Is there any benefit in having a non indigene tax?. What is also wrong is head tax. Support entrepreneurs and tax all income earners including CEOs. Entrepreneurs are very important because they manage clusters of workers who are revenue source for government. Up to ten percent of people are capable managers but not all of those capable managers are capable of building a business from scratch

Dshocker:
Oga you've not been to Oba before, for claiming that thousands of Yorubas resides in oba.

I am from Anambra, and i can tell you for sure, things you are not certain of.

The only place you will see Yorubas are in the city doing business, places like Nnewi, Onitsha and Awka.

What would a Yoruba person be doing in Oba?

Except it is not the same Oba but I believe it is the same Oba. They may not be thousands but will be in proportion to the population. The person in question was a produce buyer because of course there would be no Yoruba farmers in an Igbo village unless they are married and settled there.

Dshocker:
There are thousands of Yorubas in Oba?

How many indigenes are in Oba?

I can bet you right about now, that no single Yoruba resides there, don't come here and type for typing sake.... N1m against 10k bet.

Ok I guess my own Oba may not be Anambra as it is far back now in 2006 but I was in one Oba along with someone to do something and the person was there to buy produce and he was not the only Yoruba there abs infact anywhere you don't see Yoruba in the East will be a village of one primary and one secondary school or no secondary school and even there they will have people who understand the language. In the Igbo Igala village I served the Principal who is an Ijaw man spoke fluent Yoruba and his wife was Yoruba with all his children able to speak Yoruba

Inflation is caused by government printing money so it is mire or less uniform but food can be cheaper in some places but your staple food grown nearby will be cheaper for you. Cassava is cheaper in the south. Cost of living is largely determined by rent so we all know which cities are costly to live in. If rent is regulated by government then everything will change to benefit the rural areas starting from the farmers who will have higher purchasing power than they had before. Infact cocoa might end up earning more forex than oil if there is such a change globally

Dshocker:
The way you talk at times, it baffles me.

The non indigene here that they are talking about are still igbos, and i can swear with my life, that if at all, there are other tribe there, they wouldn't exceed 3 in number, of which they are Hausas.

I have been to Oba and the one day I spent there I met a Yoruba produce buyer. There are thousands of Yoruba in Oba. Have you ever been there?

Igboslayer:
How many people dey live for South East. This is the least populated region in Nigeria. The whole of south east is slightly bigger than Oyo state. So we can say the stat for the whole South East compares to Oyo state.

It is just like saying the whole Niger state or Kogi state is more than SW in size and it would be more or less true but is Kogi richer than even only Osun state?. Kwara is even larger than Osun but not as rich as Osun. Oyo might be three times the size of Osun but on a per Capita basis Osun will be richer. However anywhere under proper management will be rich. If you have enough arable land you have no problem and if you don't you can import food but SE can easily contain around four Osun state and that is big. Oyo has an extensive savannah in the Northern part. As small as Ijesa land is, you find thousands of Benue, Cross river, Hausas and Kogi also Urhobos farming in the place. Is their place not big enough?.

Advocate1810:
North is a big burden to other regions,they don’t even have enough resources to cater for themselves still yet a single person can have 30 children. And they enjoy Nigeria resources pass other regions. What a bad country!

Money spent every blessed day in the old Northern region is at least 150 billion naira. How much of that did Nigeria give to them?.

Cattle should be in ranches and a 500 head ranch can have a graduate manager with millions of naira in monthly revenue and well paid workers. Igbos and Yorubas are also involved in the business and majority of herders work for others. What cattle eat is known and there is therefore no need at all to be living a nomadic life in today's world. Anybody doing that can be given one month to adjust after which any cattle sighted will be seized by government

Anybody that does not support Ijesa, Ibadan, Egba, Ijebu, Tiv, Idoma, Itsekiri, Urhobo and etc taking their lands and aligning it as they wish is working against God. As someone said 'most of our Dads were not Nigerians as Nigeria became a thing in 1960' and the failure is now apparent. The lands must therefore return to their original sovereignties. The intense ethnic rivalry will make progress difficult in Nigeria

yommen:
Hope you didn't forget the thousands of Ibo apprentice spread across Nigeria. Their numbers are recorded for the regions they live, not for SE.

To remind you further, there are more Ibos living in other parts of Nigeria than SE.

A Hausa man here on naira land gave Igbo population in the whole North as around 500,000 with Kano taking the bulk of it. He said most states have 20k or less with Kaduna having around 50k and Kano around 200k. In the whole of SW outside Lagos, Igbos will not be more than 500k because the work they do is limited but unless there is census we can't be certain of figure. In Lagos maybe one million. The Oba Yoruba of Anambra said 500k Yoruba are there permanently. If that is true what about the remaining four states?. So it cancels out. Any Igbo in the west is more than replaced by Yoruba in the East.

PHIPEX:
You are already displaying the "out of school" stats mentality here live. Anambra and Oyo have almost same population.

Oyo is around double the population of Anambra. Check waec enrollment. Anambra is similar to Osun in population

EmekaA125:
Lol. Northern population combined can't match Igbo dominance in Lagos. This is no argument. After Yorubas, Igbos are the largest in any SW city due to their economic prowess and high enterprising courage. You can't beat the reach.

In our town Ere Ijesa there may be 150 Hausas, 50 Igedes and maybe five Igbos in all but it is a farming village and all farming villages have Igede in Ijesa land but Hausas in our place are doing dry season farming on river banks. If you go to town I don't think up to one thousand shops on Ijesa land are Igbo owned though I am not sure but no market has up to ten percent Igbos. All markets are ninety percent Yoruba or more and Hausa have their own sectors too in sabo. Urhobos are all over the place doing palm oil and other jobs Yoruba do. They are very plenty so if you check very well and take it zone by zone, SE may come last in the SW but ethnicity by ethnicity is when they will be similar to Hausa number. In Ilesa are many Hausa millionaires if not multi millionaires. Take 100k dollars to them and they will change it. Anything you want to sell they will buy cash down. Igbos are in spare parts, wears, phone parts building materials and it will just be a not so huge number of shops. However ethnicity by ethnicity, they will rank with Hausa. I can't say who is more or who is making more money because they are all making money here in Ilesa. Again zone by zone, SE will not be the largest definitely and they can only beat NE. All other zones should beat them in the SW but you know those zones are not one ethnicity like the SE. That is the issue. In Lagos too, SS will surpass Igbos if added together. Then Hausa millionaires are plenty in Yoruba land and their number one Dangote is in Yoruba land. There are Igbos too but there is no reason to say Igbos in SW are more successful than Hausas but if you say they feel more relaxed than Hausa it may be true

Major Adaka Boro was said to have done the same in his breakaway Niger Delta republic. It is not a civilized thing to do. Citizens can have privileges but paying lower taxes should definitely not be among those privileges. Taxation must be uniform.

EmekaA125:
Continue deceiving yourself. Igbos follow loot bus conveying rice to the owner as palliative in Ibadan abi ? Because from ur claims, Igbos are the majority non-Yorubas in SouthWest.

In the SW, Northerners of all sorts Hausa, Igede, Igala, Ebira are by far more than Igbos in total while SS too like Urhobo, Edo, Calabar etc are also more but they are specialized in different trades

Godfullsam:
How is Peter Obi a man of sane and vigour mind?

What did he contribute to anambra when he was a governor?

The 1.19m number of out-of-school children in the south west is no doubt a combination of all the non-yoruba population in land of which igbos are majority.

SW is not less than eighty percent indigenous population just like other zones.

There is no illiterate Hausa. All of them are literate in Ajami and have been so for over five centuries. The challenge they have is to transform into modern times and to modern literacy. Then the figure in percentage for SW and SE is equal because SW is close to three times of SE in population. If you check WAEC enrolment you will notice that Hausa girls don't sit for waec as much as boys while Igbo boys don't sit for waec as much as girls but the number for Yoruba is balanced. High school should be mandatory abd anyone that passed o level must be able to access university education by being granted scholarship by any means. Even those that did not pass should try and continue education one way or the other but education up to high school should be mandatory and no one that passed o level should be left behind

emmanuelbrown26:
U see one of d problem I hv with those rice bandits, they always claim to be smart while they are dumbest. Something Jonathan wanted to do and they all took over Ojota is same thing they want to do.
Hausa has being busy attacking them on Twitter regards to d appointment but u won't see them attack hausa back but they will like to drag one tribe in d fight

We are here on nairaland together. Please direct me to a Hausa attacking Yoruba so that I can apologize to the person, explain or retaliate. I have never come across any.

Hard work is not what makes people rich and over a life time, poor people work much harder than wealthy people