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justaqad: muslims acknowledge the genealogy of jesus..the point he is trying to make is quite clear...
It isn't about seeking validation, it is about spreading information. Those who seek validation are those uncertain of their faith. I am more than convinced about my faith so i do not need validation of anything but many christians are not aware of these possibilities. They are unaware of their history for the most part. Those who become aware, ask more questions.

The faiths are linked whether you like it or not. Muslims accept Jesus (AS) as a righteous prophet of God... We have fundamental differences in our beliefs.. one of those differences is the crucifixion... like i showed, It looks like the earliest manuscripts offer us clues as to what might have happened if we accept the muslim view. I just threw something out there: two men called Jesus were up for crucifixion... one was released... whether or not this was the way Jesus was saved is still up in the air..

It is all from the christian text...

I am not a christian and I dont care if Jesus was crucified or not. However, it is a lie to claim that Jesus was a muslim. Someone who ven talked about reforming Jewish holy laws and was a Jew. Islam is free to claim Jesus as a prophet but he was never a muslim. That is a lie.

the funclub enterprise: If mr human rights activist is so concerned abt human brutality, he wil not sleep in 9ja!...he should go out and see d children hawking daily! Being beaten and raped!, d police and poor masses and lots more!!

I'm not saying slapping is right!,
But cmon! U and I know he didn't mean it as an assault!..u re just trying to be impossible

In spiritual sense there are a lot of things not normal to the ears.........sm1 once questioned a big pastors mode of healing and I asked him have u read d bible where jesus mixed spit and sand to heal sm1 of blindness??
Religion is full of things above the normal!....dats y its called supernatural so yes I bliv a slapp can be used to torment a demon from a girl!....in my village dose traditional worshippers beat witches wit broom stick....so what are we not saying??
I know most of u commenting against him are not Christians.

You are what is wrong with Nigeria today. People cheat you of your human rights and you accept it like a slave because a Jewish religion called christianity.

Something is not validated just because it is done in the name of religion. You would be the first to start shouting that it is wrong if a juju man is casting out a demon by slapping a young girl.


Furthermore, demons/wutches do not exist. Stop believing in fairytales

ijawkid: Sorry bro...........

Thank God u still believe there is Creator(God)....

Abeg no join logicboy....

Lol

Kai! See my life......Ijawkid, I don turn devil for your eye?

These two Urhobo people dey fall my hand! kai

I applaud you Tbaba!

Very informative video. I also feel that the middle east/North Africa coming together under one Sharia caliphate could be a powerful thing! However, powerful does not mean good for everybody. The West might feel that it might be powerful against them.

Furthermore, I have certain questions

-Isnt Arabic different in different Arabic countries? My Iranian friend has a slightly different Arabic to the one spoken by Morrocans.

-What About the Subsaharan African countries and muslims? How will this affect them?

-Dont you think there is pressure for Egypt and Libya to be more secular after their toppled governments and new western influence?

Every atheist/agnostic on NL knows that Davidylan is a quack scientist! Even some christians know but they dont want to admit it because he is the champion of their intelligent design.

It was one of my greatest moments here on Nairaland that I debunked Davidylan. He threw crreationist punches but I destroyed him with an intellectual counter uppercut! It was a smackdown;

Here is the thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/922920/destruction-creationists-olaadegbu-brainpulse-bigd4050

vedaxcool: ^

Still hanging unto your monumental gaffe? It must be difficult being you most especially whenever a choice between the truth and being ur plain hypocritical ever bigotry ladden self! Well I have to say the truth has been told atheist! Live with it. Frustration must be snapping every blood vessel in your self.

You keep piling up the evidence of your trolling. There was no gaffe.


Fake muslim. After, you will go and claim morality. Does the Koran allow trolling?

vedaxcool: ^

Poor showing, can we count on these atheist to think straight? Imagine "logic"boy being as "logical" as possible and he post a video of lone view of a christian on a subject matter and then claim he have proven Christianity is fragmented on the issue[b] of atheist wishing to make heaven, how smart indeed, do atheists agree on all issues? How can 1 vs 1.2 billion on an issue be proof that christianity is fragmented[/b]? Common u should be more sensible than we think of you? And I am still not convince that you are not hustling for heaven that is why you keep re-posting the same video over and over again . . . Case u still showed severe difficulty in understanding, as I said you keep shouting evolution! Evolution!! Like one who whose "faith" in atheism is slipping away, in your words you keep using the icing to make your horrid cake more appealing lol! And atheism is being disrobed on nl even when you bigotry fails to let u see, . I assure even dullards pagans would defeat ur inane argument with ease.

Maybe you do not realise the uniformity of the catholic church and the authority of the head Bishop of a nation in the catholic church. Yo dont even realise what the catholic church in terms of christianity is. Foolish aboki muslim

hisblud: +1 to infinity

Sharaap, ignoramus.

+1 to stup.idity

vedaxcool: Lol! inferiority complex explains why he is an atheist, a dull one at that. Imagine the ingrate always shouting evolution like a doubting thomas who need to reassure himself every now and then because his "faith" in atheism is getting pounded every second, to crown the absolute pathetic state of this frustrated atheist, he wants to have his cake and eat it, he now clamours for heaven deluding himself that some how he will get there by denying it exist and then holding unto the dubious interpretation of a you tube video, in classic fallacy the man wants to make it to heaven by denying it exist!

Wow, you comment is void of facts and logic.

1) I did not become an atheist because of evolution. I became one after realising that christianity supported slavery (Same with Islam- expalin who Riyhanna was to Muhammad). Evolution was just icing on the cake.

2) Atheism is not pounded on Nairaland. It is Islam and Christianity. Muslims had to run to another section while christians here are begging their brothers not to engage in debates with atheists.

3) I have posted the full video to show that it was not some dubious claim

4) I have never said that I want to go to heaven. It does not exist. I put the video to show that christianity is fragmented

hisblud: of recent, it has been shown that such terrorist take in drugs to perpetrate the evil they do. Thus implying they want to numb their conscience.

Lies. Many terrorists caught do not take drugs Breivik and the underwear bomber for example

iv4fb: @logicboy, this will only go in circles which won't make sense, fyi, evolution started with the white man, go read up the history of evolution. And fyi, the black man has contributed immensely to religions too. Will u please stop theorems and give proofs, concerning the eyes which you hold as the basis for your argument, its still debated upon in some quarters. Like I said this will bring us low in moving around circles quoting journals and books, speak what u know and believe and stop quoting people's works.

I dont remember seeing any non-Jewish prophet in the Bible.

However, evolution or science is not atheism. Science hold true for anyone whether it be white or black. How does it relate to me when the bible refers to Isrealites as God's chosen people? Or that Jesus came for the lost sheep of Isreal (He said this to Canaanote woman, racist!).

Furthermore;
Evolutionary thought, the conception that species change over time, has roots in antiquity, in the ideas of the ancient Greeks, Romans, and Chinese as well as in medieval Islamic science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought

There are people from all oever the world who have discovered fossils which are a contribution to evolution. Atheism is not a white man thing. Millions of Japanese are raised as atheist (64% of Japanese are atheists). Furthermore, even some of our African ancestors have been said to go against the Gods.

iv4fb: @martian, I started this thread based on God or no God, 'twas u guys that raised the evolution issue coz that has been d pillar of modern day atheism. You're are really a serious 'hatist', u want lots of people dead!
@all, what does it take to be a scientist? I think by just claiming so

Keep lying, you brought up evolution yourself at the very beginning of the thread with the first post

iv4fb: 6.If life itself were a product of evolution, I think in the twenty-some years have been here, cats would have evolved to a point they start holding bottles or walking properly on twos

davidylan: Not true. Please explain.

I have always known you to be a quack scientist. You say that evolution does not explain the eye? You are a fake scientist and an intelligent design conspiracist!

The complex structure of the eye has been used as evidence to support the theory that they have been designed by a creator, as it has been said to be unlikely to have evolved via natural selection. In 1802, philosopher William Paley called it a miracle of "design". Charles Darwin himself wrote in his Origin of Species, that the evolution of the eye by natural selection at first glance seemed "absurd in the highest possible degree". However, he went on to explain that despite the difficulty in imagining it, this was perfectly feasible:

...if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.[5]

He suggested a gradation from "an optic nerve merely coated with pigment, and without any other mechanism" to "a moderately high stage of perfection", giving examples of extant intermediate grades of evolution.[5] Darwin's suggestions were soon shown to be correct and current research is investigating the genetic mechanisms responsible for eye development and evolution.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye

hisblud: that clip on youtube is not complete, it was just 18sec and before the priest could further explain, there was an applause and end. Please give the full clip then we will know what he meant by atheist can go to heaven

Yes, it is not complete. It is 18 seconds of an hour long debate. The 18 seconds edit is the important part of the deabte. The priest did negate his points on atheists going to heaven later in the debate


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA

Skip to 40;44 for the atheism and heaven part

hisblud: what you still emphasis is still subjective. Do you agree?

Not surprised that you dont have a point here

Mr_Anony: I will use this as an all-in-one response of sorts.

My reasons for God

1. What is commonly referred to as first cause i.e. assuming we were to take the scientific view that there was a big bang billions of years ago and that the cosmos came from this mighty explosion; If this big bang were to be the starting point of all existence, time/space and everything physical as we know it, we would essentially be saying that everything started from nothing. Now this statement creates some problems because by saying that everything started from nothing we are essentially saying that the universe came into existence with no cause whatsoever. To solve this problem, we have to acknowledge a first causeless cause and we will have to admit that this first cause has to be extraphysical(i.e. transcendent of the physical realm and hence not subject to the constraints of space and time and since this first cause isn't subject to the physical, it is very difficult to explain using physical terms) else we get caught up in the circle of what caused the first cause and the one before and the one before that and so on. Also when we look at the amount of order and precision in the universe, it rules out the likelihood of a random first cause but rather suggests a an intelligent and personal one who knows what it is doing i.e. an intelligent designer who is much more intelligent and powerful than the universe and immensely so much more beyond what we can explain.
My point here is that it is overwhelmingly much more likely that the universe was created than it randomly came into existence hence a creator. God.

1) Because the big bang says that there is a cause to the universe, you can not just include god as the cause. I might as well include Thor as the cause. You dont jump from scientific calculations and theories into magical claims of the bible.

2) Your argument is called God of the Gaps. When we didnt know that diseases were caused by germs, we said God did it. When we did not know that the earth was round it was balsphemy to say it was round. When we didnt know about evolution, we said that God created man. Stop putting God in things we dont know.

3) Your argument for God is not shared by the people who have formulated the big bang theory. These people understand it better and so, you should not remix their theory with God. It is out of ignorance that you would argue for a christian God from the big bang, when genesis contradicts the formation of stars and solar systems.

Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
[img]http://bork.hampshire.edu/~sam/extraordinary/ss%20formation.jpg[/img]

Mr_Anony: 2. You cannot possibly have objective morality without admitting to the existence of God. one may say that morality is subjective or is defined by self and the society and the "social contract" but then there are things that are wrong in themselves and we all know this and we just cannot justify them e.g. murder, rape etc at the other end of the spectrum are things that are right in themselves and we cannot fault them such as forgiveness, self-sacrifice etc. This makes it very difficult to claim subjective morality. A person may say "I define my own morals" to which I would ask who is to say that you are right? If I was a serial killer or serial rapist, I could define my morals as "rape and murder are good things" would I be morally right? Also what if I said "society will be my judge" then I would ask what if the society you live in is racist e.g nazi and apartheid societies of the past, does that justify racism?
For ones morality to be valid, there is need for a judge who is impartial and who is omnipresent and omniscient so as to see from all possible angles of every case as well as powerful enough to deliver fair judgement. This is where conscience comes in, this is why we feel guilty in ourselves when we have done wrong even though no one else is witness, we even feel guilty for evil thoughts when we obviously have not physically offended anyone. It is our conscience - which I would say is a much higher law than man's attempt at legality - that really makes us morally right, not necessarily empathy. Also without this supernatural judge, why conscience?
My point is that the presence of this unwritten law (conscience) in ourselves strongly suggests the presence of a judge, hence God.

Even the bible contains immorality worse than Nazism (eg Genocide against the Canaanites and Amakelites). Morality is subjective. It depends on the individual and society.

Mr_Anony: 3. At this point I will talk about Christianity; A man was born roughly two millennia ago who claimed to be the son of God, he did many miracles including healings and exorcisms in his authority. He was crucified and buried and after three days, he rose from the dead leaving an empty tomb and was seen by many eyewitnesses including skeptics and unbelievers. This was widely preached by Christ's disciples within days after his death and resurrection. I am yet to come across any substantial counter-claim during that period considering that it would be fresh in their minds at the time and easy to disprove. The disciples of Christ were even willing to die for this truth every one of them. One can die for the lies of another (especially if he believes it the truth) but it is highly unlikely for one to die for a lie he made up himself. Not one single apostle denied the death and resurrection of Christ even to the point of torture and death, this suggests that they must have believed it to be true. The strongest evidence for christianity is the resurrection of Christ. Christianity is based on Jesus Christ and faith in Christ is justified because He claimed to be the Son of God and proved it by rising from the dead. The meaning of the word "christian" is "like Christ" so essentially if one does not accept Christ and walk in his path, such a person is not a christian. It doesn't matter if the person goes to a church or not. I have not yet seen anyone morally criticize Christ's character successfully. No one can morally fault the principles of christianity in all sincerity.
Jesus Christ is perfect and I put my faith in Him

1) There is no proof that Jesus did these miracles
2) There is no sacrifice in a omniptent God dying (he cant lose his life). Where is the fear of dying when I know that I can comeback anaytime? How can God die in the first place?
3) Jesus was racist to the Canaanite woman. Before you say that I am taking the story out of context; If you go to a doctor to heal your child, would you be happy if he told you that he is only for the Jewish people? Jesus said to the woman "I came for the lost sheep of Isreal". This means that he did not come for her.

Mr_Anony: 5. From the arguments I have laid out, I dare say that there is much more reason for God to exist than there is for Him not to. We may disagree on His nature or His function, one may even say "there might be a God somewhere/somehow but I choose not to believe in His existence" but what one cannot say with any certainty is that "God does not exist"

So once again I challenge atheists to come forward and explain to me why God cannot/must not possibly exist, else the statement "God does not exist" is simply an ignorant statement.

Your argument for god fails

Mr_Anony: Once again I will say this. The main concern of christianity is the salvation of the soul and the hope of an afterlife and not not necessarily civil rights and humanism. Hence it didn't matter if we are male or female, slaves or free, black or white, jew or gentile. what matters is that we were all one in Christ. Christians were essentially preaching that slaves and slave owners were equal before God ( Do you realize what it means to declare slaves equal to their masters in a time like 70AD? Did you really read those passages especially Paul's letter to Philemon?) This was hundreds of years before slavery was eventually abolished by the efforts of these same christians. Your bone of contention is that the bible does not explicitly say "free your slave or else" and hence it must be evil even though it says "your slaves are your brothers and are equal with you, treat them as such"

1) Wow, are you not ashamed of yourself. Love thy neighbour as thyself but then you claim that christianity is not concerned with slavery or human rights. Isnt christianity also about love? Love of between fellow men/women, love between man and god and love for God's commandments?

See how you distort your own religion to say that is should not be concerned with slavery?

2) [b] Christians were essentially preaching that slaves and slave owners were equal before God ( Do you realize what it means to declare slaves equal to their masters in a time like 70AD? Did you really read those passages especially Paul's letter to Philemon?)

Wow! So christians were preaching nonsense and lies since 70AD. A slave is not equal to his master in anyway. I hope you realise that slaves were mostly unbelievers in those days and that was the major justification for slavery in the bible. For you to say that christians saw slaves as equal is nonsense. The only felt good about christian/jewish slaves.

3) Paul did not ask for Onesimus freedom. What is the difference between sending a slsave back to a slave master and a child back to a pedophile? Is there any guarantee that they wont be abused?

Mr_Anony: Saying that European transatlantic slave trade was started by christianity is simply rubbish. You don't have any proof of this and even though the slave masters were professing to be christians, you cannot honestly claim that slavery is christian principle considering that one of the main principles of christianity is love.

1) Yes, the transatlantic slavery was both a religious and economic institution.

2) Churches supported slaver and they have apologised for their roles in it. However, foolish christians will still belive that christianity had no official role in the Transatlantic slavery.

3) Slavery is regulated in the bible. Clearly.

4) The British came in the name of their queen who is the head of the Chruch of England

5) The curse of ham and Mark of cain are christian doctrines that were used to support the slavery of blacks during the transatlantic slave trade

Mr_Anony: I find it tedious work arguing with you over something that is so obvious that there is really no need to argue about it. In all this however, one statement you made that seemed funny to me was this; I wonder how slavery can definitely be bad to you no matter what form it appears in considering that you are a proponent of subjective morality and you claim that there are no moral absolutes. LOL

How deceitful of you. You can not debate on the fact of the argument that slavery is regulated and supported by the bible and so you throw a strawman? What I wrote in that statement is moral universalism and not moral absolutism. Go and read.

Mr_Anony: As for the rest of your accusations against christianity and the bible including "homophobia", "sexism", "genocide", and the story of Adam and Eve, I will reserve my comments as they are unnecessary to this thread and will only serve as distractions as slavery has been so far (one digression is enough already)

Agreed. However, the accusations are true. When you feel like debating on them, holla at me for some intellectual smackdown on christianity

vedaxcool: Why is davidylan hurting these atheists so much? It is not Christ like you know? Lol and these atheists claim they were not frustrated into atheism and yet their lame brain argument is being torn apart so easily!

Cheerleading for daviddylan now? Is that how low you will go? Cheerleading an infidel that has bashed the holy prophet and God's true religion, Islam?

You sir, are a disgusting troll!


Give an example of Davidylan's good argument that has torn apart atheists' own. I have always smacked the hell out of Davidylan intellectually. Always

iv4fb: @logic boy, you live under the shadow of theorems-too much learning and hope u know that the statement you pasted in itself is contradictory. The guy was stunned at the wonders therein and had to proffer explanations somehow like there's always an explanation to any thing-whether it make sense or not.

1) The statement was not contradictory. Darwin felt that it was mostly unlikely for the eye to evolve out of natural selection but put forward a scenario in which it was possible to happen. His scenario turned out to be correct. Simple.

2) Darwin was limited by the science of his time. Darwin is not a god who could answer all questions. Modern science has taken many scientific discoveries and Darwin to the greater levels

3) You are free to enjoy your lies and ignorance about evolution. You have been caught 3 times now saying absurd things about evolution

iv4fb: Honestly, what makes atheist any different from those they accuse? Religions they accuse were initiated by the whites and so is evolution, the religious people have faith in the supernatural and the atheist in the reverse relying more on 'explanations' (again, from the white man). Both could be wicked or good, sinful or morally righteous, extremism also exist among them for someone like MARTIAN could kill/bomb innocent people to propagate his 'disbelief' in God. The only difference is that the religious have some sort of hope which the atheist lack

1) Christianity was from Jews- Jews in those days could look Arab.

2) Evolution is no a white thing. People around the world have made contributions to evolution, whether in discovering fossils, carbon dating or investigating evolution in animals

3) Not all atheists are scientists. I did not even become an atheist out of science, it was because of christian support for slavery.

4) There is no faith in science. You have faith in something with no proof. Scientists have theories that have grounding in proofs, observations and calculations.

5) Everyone has hope. There is nothing a christian can do that I can not do, as an atheist.

kilimanjaro: 1) Why do people dance like someone who is suffering from epilepsy in our churches?
2) Why don't they serve meal in our churches inspite of the money they make? I learnt they do serve snacks and soft-drinks in our mosques. Why not our churches? And their's no doubt about the fact that our churches make more money than our mosques!

1) Because religion is madness itself. You have to be delusional to believe that snakes can talk to human beings and there is a magical guy in the sky

2) It reduces the profit margin of churches! Pastors need the private jets

frosbel: I told you, the Harlot catholic church was way into the business of scamming and fraud before any other prosperity addicted church

Then why are you still a christian? The catholic church is christainity, seeing that your church has its origins in the catholic church. Furthermore, it was the catholics that compiled your bible that you use.


Epic fail

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OLAADEGBU: Are you gay? Most "atheists" are.

Does the bible tell you to lie? Do you have any proof of that? Japan is 64% atheist. Are you saing that most of them are gay?


It is more likely that there are more gay christians than there are gay atheists. Havent we been seeing gay pastors and preists with their young boys? Evne christians who are secretly gay? We know for a fact that there are more christians than atheists

fubbyy: When my mother was alive,there was a sunday morning I said am not going to church,she asked why and I told her that am tired of this religious thing with no benefit, my mother wept,she cried saying that the devil has possessed his son,my father nearly killed me for saying such, now am sure that none of you (atheists) were born as An atheist,you all must have come from a religious home but you suddenly developed this belief, what was your parents reaction when you did and what reason(s) did you give them, and what actually made you to disbelief in God and who initiated you taught into atheism..

Thanks

Everyone is born an atheist. Many are just taught religion by their folks and friends.

There are people raised as atheist. There was a chinese girl in my primary school in Nigeria that said that her father said that there was no use in prayers. The teachers were afraid of her.

However, I came from a religious background and my folks were not happy. They promised fire and brimbstone when I confessed that I was an atheist. I only had to remind them that they are no different from a religious extremist that hates infidels (cough boko haraam/crusaders).


What made me to become an atheist was slavery. It was well accepted by the bible. Someone insulted me that blacks are cursed and they run to a religion that supported enslavement their forefathers. I did my research and found out that both Islam and christian accepted slavery. However, I must state that blacks are not cursed.

Then other contradictions in religion started to emerge, evolution, sexism in the bible, the fact that Jesus is painted as a white man in many Nigerian churches and the fact that there is not one single physical proof of God

vedaxcool: ^
Likewise do the universe a great favor by growing some brain and putting it to good use . . . At the very least children even know you do not need balls to go to school so you words hardly differ from the drunken banter of beer parlor talk . When is NL going to find genuine atheists? I suggest seun puts up an advert seeking genuine atheists who think they can address issues rationally !

Keep trolling, Hypocrite. You call yourself a muslim yet you insult people like a football hooligan.

iv4fb: @logic..., I thought as a logic boy, ur mind is also logical-lol.(No offence intended) I did
a lot of evolution theories, brother. I did a lot of psychology too but trust me, even evotion contradict itself. Be honest. U know Darwin was stunned at the functionality and intelligence associated with the eye and evolution theories keep evolving-i bet u know that already. I really don't want to go further in evolution, I'm sure I'll get u more confused (sorry if that sound offensive). Life is too conplicated to be understood by natural reasoning. The truth is, if you don't believe in God(I'm not sure u don't though, u r most likely pissed at religion)), I'm not forcing u to but open ur mind, don't conclude, just ask to be told-ask God to show himself to u if he really exist and if He don't, then move on with your lifei i trust u would.

1) Where the hell do you get the idea that evolution contradicts itself?

2) What does psychology have to do with evolution?

3) I dont believe in God. Dont go trying to read my mind and say that I am just pissed at religion. I am an atheist because I feel that there is no logical reason to believe in a God.

4) About the eye and evloution. You should read before making rubbish assumptions;

The complex structure of the eye has been used as evidence to support the theory that they have been designed by a creator, as it has been said to be unlikely to have evolved via natural selection. In 1802, philosopher William Paley called it a miracle of "design". Charles Darwin himself wrote in his Origin of Species, that the evolution of the eye by natural selection at first glance seemed "absurd in the highest possible degree". However, he went on to explain that despite the difficulty in imagining it, this was perfectly feasible:
...if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.[5]
He suggested a gradation from "an optic nerve merely coated with pigment, and without any other mechanism" to "a moderately high stage of perfection", giving examples of extant intermediate grades of evolution.[5] Darwin's suggestions were soon shown to be correct and current research is investigating the genetic mechanisms responsible for eye development and evolution.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye

davidylan: Neither do you understand it. You just heard that it negates the creation story and now you are for it.

Davidylan please dont let me punish you again with the smackdown I gave you when I destroyed your creationist babble.
https://www.nairaland.com/922920/destruction-creationists-olaadegbu-brainpulse-bigd4050#10679491


Please, abeg dont try it! I dont want to bruise your ego again!

vedaxcool: Lol yeah no wonder he invokes evolution, now is atheist can make it to heaven, what next?

Invoke evolution? Does your imam/cleric tell you that evolution is a just a belief? See this semi-literate aboki

hisblud: @vedacool it seems my guy (logicboy) is flip flopping and is finding more reason why he MUST remain an atheist but i wish he can choose atleast african juju and taste it

Doesnt your bible tell you no to lie? Where did I flip flop? Where did I claim that I want to go to heaven?

vedaxcool: What I don't understand is, is logicboy gunning for heaven, why should he keep on repeating the same video clip thread after thread? What does it prove? That atheism is good? I pity for him, I suspect inferiority complex could be one of the reasons he became an atheist, asking us to worship African gods seems to show the low intellect he thinks of others, why can't he worship African gods? What ever excuse you think stops u -logicboy- from doing such is also applicable to us, what if we turned around and say why do black people follow atheism to be accepted by white people? And I tell you all these we can provide evidence to support.

Your a real dummy! Where did I say that I was gunning for heaven? Doesnt Islam tell you not to lie? I only put the video to show you how contradictory christainity is.

I did not tell anyone to worship African gods. I said it would be preferable if Africans worshipped African Gods rather than foriegn Gods. I am an atheist and I dont believe in God but that would be a compromise for me if religious Nigerian people who want to still keep their religiousity, follow Nigerian religions.

Atheism is not a white thing. We are all born atheists. There are many black africans that left religion in Nigeria and Ghana because they have seen the horrors of what churches do and the bible does.


Keep lying. You're just adding more fire to the stereotype that muslims lie.....cough...Taqiyya

italo: I don't exactly know what you are trying to point out...

"Atheists can go to heaven"

What about that?

I was showing that christianity is fragmented and a joke;


Psalm 14;1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (bigotry against atheist)



Yet, the biggest priest in Australia says that atheists can go to heaven.


Christianity is upside down

hisblud: @logicboy As for dreaming, we all dream. Do we not see our dreams? I can see mydream. End of story. i have read on this forum where atheist have reject an argument that is subjective, and here you are saying the prove of "the type" of dream you dreamt is known by you ONLY. Even the EEG/ECG machine cannot tell us WHAT was your dream, yet you people reject a subjective evidence of ones experience of God!

Why did ignore my super answer only to ask the same stupid question again?

logicboy: I can describe my dream. Can you describe God? What is his/her skin colour? Is he/she tall?

Furthermore, dreams are a collection of random memories. We have seen what we have dream about with our eyes, we are just imagining it, sometimes in a different form.

If I told you to visualize a woman without an eye and a nose, you would be able to do that becuase you have seen a woman and you have seen people lose their body parts. Your mind can visualise this. Your memory helps you to do this.

If I told you to visualize "akan", you wouldnt be able to because you dont know what it is. No memory, nothing.

If I told you to visulize an alien, you would be able to. Your memory works- you have seen an alien in movies.

If I told you to visualize the alien in stage six of Dark sector, you would be able to. However, your alien would not be much different from the alien served up by your memory because you have probably never seen stage six of Dark Sector.


You see a wet guy. You know the guy to involved with water.

You see adaptation, fossils, current evolution, DNA similarities, speciation and the changing biology of human beings. ou know that animal are involved in evolution.