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italo: @ logicboy,

I am yet to see an official Catholic Church document from you to show that Catholic doctrine supported participation in slavery. Perhaps you can give me a snapshot of the text (online or offline) with the link when you find one, let's compare and contrast with what you have typed here. Also kindly provide texts from two official documents to show that they contradict eachother in terms of doctrine.

I cannot accept what non-Catholics and anti-Catholics say about the Church doctrine; what do they know - with their usual biased minds.

You are just desperate now. Slavery was clearly supported by canon law in he catholic church. It got changed. For you to deny this, shows the liar you are.

There is no more reason for me to debate with you when you discard facts.



As for the catholic teaching on puragtory, can you tell me where dead babies go? I am telling you what I was taught in cathechism under supervision of a bishop.

maclatunji: How would you define the concept "Supernatural"?

Spiritual beings like Allah would be supernatural.

tbaba1234: ^ lol...Read the title again!

You see like i said, It is an amazing coincidence.... I didn't say miracle... It is left for those who can see.... For those who see, they know it is another sign from their lord.. At least, those that are blind can still acknowledge this amazing coincidence...

....For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. (Surah 22:46)

It is not an amazing coincidence when you realise that you divided 2 groups of numbers into 2. Getting four equal summations is nothing. This is basic maths and accounting. You take figures from the income statement, trial balance and the statement of cash flows and you get balanced figures in the balance sheet.

So, it is not a miracle? Then what do you mean by this?

For those who see, they know it is another sign from their lord..

A sign from the lord would be supernatural and therefore a miracle itself since the supernatural is not natural

italo: See how incoherent and scatter-brained you are?

Seriously, do you see it?

You are foolish. After editing my comments foolishly, how do you expect them to no be haphazard. However, even with your remix, the haphazardness still shows that you know nothing about my christina life and you are foolish to judge it both from a biblical sense and common sense

tbaba1234: You still make no sense: quit trying abeg..... Why do you like exposing yourself like this?

Your assignment: Use 1-100 (50 odd and even number);;;; come up with your combination of verses.... you can use odd and even numbers too.... Achieve the same balance.... If you can't, i will give a concession, use 1-20.... If you fail use 1-10... Tell me how much time it takes.

There are thousands of combinations using 114 chapters and an even sum of ayahs (using even and odd numbers) that would not give you this balance... The Quran uses one that does... That is the point here....

Id be waiting for the result of your experiment.

I clearly made sense in my previous argument. You chose to ignore it.

Even if we were to go with your reasoning, you still fail;

10,000/1 odds is not a miracle. Calculable probability

1,0000,000 odds is not a miracle. Calculable probability


The odds of winning the national lottery is 13,983,816/1


You fail

Even if she didnt have sex with Joseph, there is still the problem of giving birth to Jesus- Her pussycat has been stretched by giving birth, it cant be a virgin anymore

tbaba1234: ^What you wrote makes absolutely no sense!!

So let us reason together, what maths trick exactly? I just used the Quran chapters;;

So the number of chapters is 114- correct

and the sum of verses is 6236-

Two even summations?? WRONG How did you jump from the above to here? .... You only mentioned one summation 6236::: The other summation is an odd summation 6555 of the chapters....

The fact that it groups into Odd and even numbers perfectly is pretty amazing for anyone with a brain. It is one thing to split a number into two. It is another to split it into 114 parts based solely on the odd and even numbers.

The Quran as a book was not numbered for a long time... separators were used to separate the verses... I am just using what is already there. There are thousands of combinations that wouldn't give you that balance. The Quran uses one that does.

The only one doing tricks here is you, like i said, it is one of those many coincidences...

My assignment for you is simple... take a list 1-100... assign verses to them and do this simple "trick". Tell me how long it takes you.

The example of those who rejects faith is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand. (Surah 2:171)

Clearly what I meant to say was that two even (114 chapters and summation of the ayah 6236) figures divided into four is not a miracle

- 114 is divided into 57 even and 57 odd
- the figures adding up to an even number 6236 are divided into even and odd.

When you get 4 equal summations, it is not a miracle.


You say that the Quran was not a numbered book and the Ayah split into even and odd is a miracle. Did you also add the Satanic verses?

amor4ce: I don't see why the descendants of Cain should be portrayed as evil because of the crime perpetrated by their ancestor. Cain settled in Nod (Ondo) and one of his descendants, Tubal-Cain is known to the Yoruba as Ogun. Is it coincidence that Ondo is the center for veneration of Ogun (Tubal-Cain). See for yourself how Tubal-Cain is described in Genesis 4:22 and tell me whether or not that description fits Ogun.

Proper nonsense

Shows how wise people deceive the sheep.


This is a basic maths trick. Notice that the number of chapters is 114 (even- divisible by 2). Also notice that the total summation of the Ayah is 6236 (another even number)- this means that the Ayah has an "even" number of odd and even numbers.


A smart person would realise that all you have done is take two even summations and divided each of them into two making four equal summations.


It helps that the arithmetic progression of chapters stops at an even number of 114.

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Image123: yea yea, like in the communist world, very great point you have there all to yourself, people must be jealous.
I don't get your index for the best countries in the world. apart from islamic countries, most other countries would claim secularity including nigeria, usa, england, germany. My God is not just so great dearie, He is the greatest of anything that has life.

Nigeria is not secular. Epic fail.


Communism itself can be described as a religion

Mr_Anony: Ok so I've been away for sometime now and I have seen some interesting replies most of them I must confess are fallacies. Unfortunately I may not answer to all questions rather I'll highlight a few places where we misunderstand each other then I will proceed to make my case (hopefully a lot clearer so we all can understand)

for instance, martian keeps trying to draw me into a "battle of the gods" matter that I really don't want to get into at this point. Kay17 and logicboy mistakenly assume (or at least that's how it looks to me) that I have simply inserted a god in the theories of another amongst other things. Jenwitemi and cyrexx seem to be saying that nobody knows for sure hence I cannot possibly claim to be right, jagunlabi argues morals and hisblud and idehn show support each to his own. All is well.
I must admit on reading through the posts that perhaps I have not made myself clear enough however I still haven't seen anyone fault my logic yet or prove me wrong, maybe it is too unclear to even bother I don't know.

To make it a lot less complex, I will break down my argument into progressive steps so that so that it is easy to follow and make for clearer refutation, we shall start on a clean slate and only treat one step at a time before moving on to the next. If you are willing, I would rather we argued for truth and not for bragging rights. Remember the reason for "God" in the first place arises from the question "Why am I here i.e. what is the purpose for existence?"

Anyway, all that aside here is Step 1

From what we know, every effect has a cause, our reality can be described as a series of causes and effects. We know, the Universe has a definite beginning hence it must have been caused.

Do you agree with this statement? If yes we continue to Step 2. If no please tell us why you disagree and what you consider an alternate more accurate statement. (please limit your response to the statement for now abeg!)

You are quite insane. You are suffering from an early stage of delusional thinking. You points were decimated and now you claim that all the atheists that debunk you were making fallacious statements? Wow!


As for your question on the cause of the universe, here is an answer that I gave earlier that you ignored as usual that says no;

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The existence of the universe as a whole does not require a causal explanation. All causality presupposes the existence of something that acts as a cause. To demand a cause for all of existence is to demand a contradiction: if the cause exists, it is part of the existence; if it does not exist, it cannot be a cause

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Image123: ehyah, your senior brother had to help you out. I said you need more exposure, not you need a foreigner senior brother who doesn't have an idea of what he's writing.

Wow, look at the fraud talking! The doofus who thinks that sleep paralysis (who just learnt what it really is) is cured by Jesus, is telling me that I need exposure.


Wonders shall never end....

Image123: What do they mean to you? The picture you are painting is that people should stop serving God or gods and things will become better. Is that secularism to you?

No, that is not what I said. The picture that I am painting is that human beings are less divided and more peaceful where there is less focus on religion. If your God is so great why is it that the best countries in the world are secular?

vedaxcool: Nuff said!

Pitiful loser!

italo: You didn't get a response because you didn't try that for 22yrs. Its a lie.

lol...you now know my personal life? What does the bible tell you about judging others (you know nothing about my life when I was a christian)?

God doesnt exist

Image123: You need exposure you know, i know many places where multitudes will also be imagining that someone claims sleep paralysis is physical. BTW, there is no 'known' cure yet, no? Jesus Christ is not the cure for any sickness as it were. Jesus Christ cures sicknesses, all. You don't know Him, neither have you ever tried Him, yet you claim like you know Him than we all do.

You are a fraud. I wish you try this in a developed country where you'd be arrested for evading medical treatment. Ptolomeus got your number

Image123: What is secularism and what is religion? i suspect that we have different views on the definitions.

We both know what they mean.

vedaxcool: @mr. "My father is rich" , I can understand why you termed the truth anger since to go against well established facts will make you look in all regards a serial liar, but I restate that all I said were clearly facts that best describes the fallacy you parrot around as being "logic". To always reduce people's points to personal attacks leaves your kind nothing more than clowns pretending to be apostles of logics. . .

Lol.....you sound hurt

Personal attacks? You were the king of personal attacks until I tamed you. I tamed you by showing you your hypocrisy when claiming to be a true muslim while having the mouth of a football hooligan

musKeeto: Seems like you got a new mentor, davidlyan I guess?

Yes, I noticed a change in Image123 too! It seems he is now confident of his ignorance!
Can you imagine someone claiming sleep paralysis is spiritual? That Jesus is the cure? What next Jesus is the cure for AIDS....oh wait!

vedaxcool: Till you can show what i wrote is nonsense we will have to ignore your illitrate display here as nothing more than a manifestation of declining intellect and dullard brain.



1) "True", but like my post alludes it is possible, that this was how God caused the virgin Mary to concieve without human intervention!

2. extremely daft statement, we are not comparing man with God, we are clearly discussing the Possibility that during the time of Jesus, Mary concieved him without male intervention, my post indicated that there is that possibility that caused Mary to be concieved in such a man, I wonder when you will be able to address issues with simple common sense, and clearly the fact that you ignored that artificial insemination always involves the "seed" Mary 's was without any seed! think man before you speak!

Allahu Akar! Vedaxcool agreed with me! Impossible.

I must celebrate

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vedaxcool: Typical display of d "logic" of a frustrated atheist, the issue remains that the coward made assertions that I showed false and a practising catholic again re-asserted to be false, that you threw around your allegations to save face remains a clear show of why the kind of atheism u practiced is fraught with ignorance , illitrate reasoning and unreseraved hypocritical analysis, first you begged for heaven, we showed you, your kind can't even make a pagan "heaven" if such exist, rather than acccept the simple fact you began showing that you must make heaven hook or crook, by making your usual un-reasonable arguments that would make an illiterate blush out shame for you, i tried explaining to you, based your inability to reason, that this is the case, again being an angry child, who became an atheist to vent his anger i tried showing you how to reason and the way you can use your intellect, yet Mr. "my father is rich" and "i don't need to work" still insist that we must accept his poor logic, boy i am not convinced on you low intellect indeed, being proudly ignorant is not me indeed nuff said

Why so angry? You should change your name to VEXdaUNcool

Ptolomeus: Hola querido amigo!
Excellent!
If everyone thought and proceed like you, the world would be different ... better.
In this forum there is a contradiction, that the religious are just those who show hatred, bigotry, exacerbation ...
I believe that a religion debría be just the opposite ...
An atheist as you say this to a religious ... is a life lesson ...
Something is wrong in the religions ... an place of love and peace promotes hatred and segregation.
My respects!
Un fuerte abrazo de su amigo uruguayo!

Deseo que todo el mundo podría ver la religión como historias

Uruguay no es perfecto

Pero uruguay tiene hermosas mujeres

Y el gobierno está separada de la religión

Gracias

Obrigado!

ijawkid: Lol......

Fear fear boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

I like my life

Ptolomeus: @ Logic Mind and @Logicboy
The one you have been of the best exhibitions I've read in the forum.
Thank you for bringing common sense to such radicalization.
In Africa continue to accept the concept that their beliefs, traditions and culture were savage ... that Europeans came to save ...
Today, after centuries of colonization, I would ask what was the gain cultural, religious, economic in Africa?.
Thank goodness there are people like you in Africa.
My warm greetings to both!

Gracias Ptolomeus!

italo: Why should I tell you all these when you have the means to experience it for yourself.

Humble yourself before God with purity of heart and intention. Then communicate with him and he will respond. It may not be audible...or immediate. But he will respond because he loves you as much as he loves me.

Tried that for 22 years, it is a lie.


You can not describe it because it doesnt exist.

vedaxcool: Parthenogenesis (play /ˌpærθənoʊˈdʒɛnəsɪs/) is a form of asexual reproduction where growth and development of embryos occur without fertilization. In plants, parthenogenesis means development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell, and is a component process of apomixis.

Gynogenesis and pseudogamy are closely related phenomena where a sperm or pollen triggers the development of the egg cell into an embryo but makes no genetic contribution to the embryo. The rest of the cytology and genetics of these phenomena are mostly identical to that of parthenogenesis.

The word parthenogenesis comes from the Greek παρθένος, parthenos, meaning "virgin", and γένεσις, genesis, meaning "birth".[1] The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species that can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes in a single individual's body.

Parthenogenesis occurs naturally in many plants, some invertebrate animal species (including nematodes, water fleas, some scorpions, aphids, some bees, some Phasmida, and parasitic wasps) and a few vertebrates (such as some fish,[2] amphibians, reptiles,[3][4] and very rarely birds[5]). This type of reproduction has been induced artificially in a few species including fish and amphibians.[6]

Normal egg cells form after meiosis and are haploid, with half as many chromosomes as their mother's body cells. Haploid individuals, however, are usually non-viable, and parthenogenetic offspring usually have the diploid chromosome number. Depending on the mechanism involved in restoring the diploid number of chromosomes, parthenogenetic offspring may have anywhere between all and half of the mother's alleles. The offspring having all of the mother's genetic material are called full clones and those having only half are called "half clones". Full clones are usually formed without meiosis. If meiosis occurs, the offspring will get only a fraction of the mother's alleles.

So in theory the virgin birth is not impossible!

You people never have a complete understanding of science.

1) Parthenogenesis does not occur in primates.

2) If you were going to use science, the doctors are better than the christian God because they can make millions of virgins pregnant while God only did it for one virgin. Artificial insemination in humans.

Think outside the box menn

vedaxcool: Italo it is a pity you klet "logic"boy off the hook, he threw all those allegatyion because he was trying to save face from the real questions of the lies he was pilling in the holy see, this is the sort of tactic the tactless ignoramus uses to win argument at all cost, this sort of behavior is typical of frustrated individuals who are to dishonest to accept when they are mistaken, he does this sort of low intelect tactic every time you argue with him . . . you can see why i can never be an atheist, being proud is not my style and being proudly ignorant can never be me.

Hahahaha, see this ignorant muslim defending the catholic church!

Kai! shame!! You are now calling the fact that the catholic church supported the murder and enslavement of your fellow muslims mere "allegations"!

Shame, shame on you!

Ignorance.

I know that you're angry that I destroyed your arguments and now using cheerleading tactics to troll. Learn from Italo, he tackles the debate head on, not your sore loser tactics

Well, it's good to realise that good people come from all works of faith be they atheists or muslims or budhhists.

However, they can be good without religion. Religion is one thing that can turn a good person into a bigot.

Most of my christian friends are okay but ask them if they agree with psalm 14;1 and most of them will say "yes".


Psalm 14;1-
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

This Psalm 14;1 is clear bigotry against atheists. How can my christian friends claim to love me and then agree that I am evil and corrupt? The answer is religion; religion has brainwashed them to believe the bible and partition the bible from reality in their minds.

Another incident; I was talking to a muslim cab driver and we were getting along very well despite our religious differences. When I told him that I had a muslim girlfriend, he slammed the brakes so hard, I thought I would die.


Frosbel, you arent a bad person at the core but religion will rot you to core given specific instances.

I also agree with you; hate the game not the player. I can complain about Islam but not all muslims are terrorists and not all christians are crusaders or witch burners

ijawkid: Hehehehehehehehe

Ur afraid of being assasinated

Just join ogboni and u'll be covered......

Lol

Ogboni? Kai, even the name be like murder

Spirit of Okija: Alomo!!

italo: I have. Besides, an intelligent person would know that one doesn't necessarily have to talk verbally to communicate. Only a dumbass...sorry...no insults!

You have heard god's voice? Does god sound like a woman or man? Does he have yoruba accent?

Or does god use sign language?

Can you explain this godly communication for me?

udhedhe: Haba LOGICBOY why are you like dis? what the words of your mouth.

Truth is bitter?