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hisblud: ok since he shouldnt be jesus then are you ready to dump the white man crap and accept our juju for a change

What white man crap are you talking about? Evolution has had contributions from people all over the world. Evolution is not a white man thing like how we can say that Christianity and Judaism are Jewish things. The bible is all about Jewish people with Jewish prophets.

Belief in the supernatural is crap.

Mr_Anony: To say that christianity started slavery is simply a blatant lie and you know it. slavery was already present for centuries before Jesus Christ was born and the emergence of christianity (slavery even existed before the advent of Mosaic law). The verses you have provided do not in any way prove that christianity encouraged slavery especially when read in context. If you hadn't purposely misrepresented those verses, this would have been evident to you as it is to almost everyone else who reads it. Christianity did not encourage slavery, but since it had to cope with it, Christianity implored both slaves and masters to live in peace i.e. Masters do not oppress your slaves and slaves obey your masters and do not revolt.In Christ there is neither slave nor master.

1) I was talking about European transatlantic slavery when I said that christianity started slavery.

2) I have read the chapters. The quotes were not taken out of context. "slaves obey your earthly masters" can never be right in any context.

Christianity encouraged slavery. How can God not stop slavery? If he could stop homosexuality with Sodom and Gommorah?

Mr_Anony: What the christian would say to slaves at the time was this: "it just so happens that your are a slave, please do not revolt just bear it because life on earth is not all there is and at the end you will be rewarded by God. Remember that Christ also was treated unfairly but he endured until the end therefore be strong and take heart.

1) So, slaves who did not convert to christianity will suffer twice?
2) Slaves who were routinely flogged and mistreated should accept the slavery?
3) It is a fact that slaves were always maltreated expecially when they slaves were doing hard labour such as building temples or monuments

Mr_Anony: On the other hand, what the Christian would say to slave masters was this: "Treat your slaves kindly and do not be cruel to them, remember that you are also a slave yourself (to God). In Christ there is no slave or free born but you are all brethren therefore accept your slave as a brother and do not be harsh to to him just because your roles are different."

1) Yes but not to free the slaves? You are sick

Mr_Anony: I recommended to you some passages of scripture earlier but it seems to me that you are more interested in cherry-picking verses and throwing them at me. These are the verses I posted earlier; Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:28, Philemon, 1Corinthians 7:18-24, Ephesians 6:5-9. please read them, as much as possible read the chapters as a whole so that you can understand them in the context they were written, then point out clearly to me why you are convinced that christianity not only encouraged slavery but actually started it.

1) I heav read those passages and still doesnt help. Slavery is bad. There is no nice slavery. No man is meant to own another man.
2) I am not cherry picking. You are the one cherry picking the good parts of your bible, leaving out the wickedness of slavery, sexism, homophobia, bigotry against unbelievers and genocide. What about the fals story of Adam and Eve

OLAADEGBU: Did I say anything?

COWARD. So, you are so spineless thatyou cant even defend the message of your cartoon?

Olaadegbu, thank you for the cartoon. I learnt something from the cartoon- there is no lenght that can not be gone in saying stupid things to promote christianity.

-AIDs/HIV does not always reflect on a lifestyle.
-Molestation is not done by spirits, it is done by humans, usually pastors and priests.

You must be wondering why I am replying to a cartoon and here is my reason; AIDS is still a problem in Africa and instead of promoting condoms/safe sex, the stupid cartoon is talking lifestyle and spirits.



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iv4fb: @logicmind, u need not attack my 'intolerance' or 'ignorance' as u put it, let's face the issue on ground instead. I didn't say they exist controversies rather I said 'inexplanable' things-we just can't explain them.. Maybe when u guys (the atheists) evolves into better creatures you can provide better 'so called' explanations.

1) I am not logicMind, I am logicBoy.

2) You are ignorant about evolution. You heard that it negates the creation story and now, you are against it. Read about evolution before you talk about it.

3) Why should an atheist explain the nonsense fairy tale in the bible that even you christians find inexplicable?

Michael Avede: Touch not God anioted and do his prophet no harm.u people ar ingorant of d bible infact i dnt tink any lennet person can abuse men of God.how awhich d bible calld dem men of men dat means u as a man can gorge dem.but d bibld say day are men of God ar u God? If u ar nt den liv dem 4 God bvt if u ar God den contunin to gorge dem.

See this illiterate

neksummi: I beg make them leave the man of God alone joor! They should look for money elsewhere.

Sharaap.

ijawkid: @logic boy.........

Would u vote for a proffessed christian or a muslim

Yes, if the christian/muslim/hinduist agrees to the principle of separation of church and state. And also, of the politician has values that will develop the society.

iv4fb: I've gone through all their posts and threads and honestly this is my own conclusion

1. They are all frustrated at religions and they have rights too for life itself don't add up.

2. How can u say there is no God and you spend all your time, intellect and energy proving otherwise? You are trying to prove that there is no God by quoting theorems and happenings. Why not just stick to your own belief and rest?

3. controversies they say abound in the Bible, well I agree that several 'unexplanable' things r in d Bible but I bet u'll never figure them out or prove them wrong either. So create ur own holy book and make it perfect

4. They say the Bible is not the word of God, I thought you already said there was no God?

5.Believing there is no God wouldn't ease frustrations

6.If life itself were a product of evolution, I think in the twenty-some years have been here, cats would have evolved to a point they start holding bottles or walking properly on twos

7. When atheist are really thankful, who do they thank? Charles Darwin?

8.Most atheist are highly intelligent people and most religious people are highly terrible and just ridiculous-the thiefs/robbers, boko harams/religious fanatics, drunkards, gays and lesbians,billionaire pastors who don't share, ritualists, prostitutes and all sort of stuffs happens only with the religious people but that doesn't change anything.

9. I think whether or not the Bible is right or wrong has nothing to do with u, u don't believe in it-we already know that, so let it be for those that believe in it.

10. In conclusion, in d middle of a dark night, u have the right to believe the sun does not exist but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its ur take

Sorry but not only is your title "trolliously" wrong, your comment shows a lot of religious intolerance and ignorance.

1) Not all atheists are frustrated with religion. However, I am really frustrated with religion. Unlike you, I hate to see my fellow man being brainwashed and robbed with tithes. I hate to see my fellow sisters slapped by pompous pastors. I hate to see children being taught that intelligent design is scientific. I hate to see my fellow Nigerians accept two foriegn religions that enlaved our forefathers. I care and have compassion. I am not ashamed of my convictions

2) This is clear ignorance, intolerance, bigotry and hypocrisy; Christians who have no proof of their God are allowed to preach to millions in churches with loudspeakers, allowed to preach and force their religion on buses or public market spaces, allowed to preach on Nairaland, allowed preach and force their religion from door to door etc BUT WHEN AN ATHEIST TALKS ABOUT HIS NON BELIEF IN GOD ON THE INTERNET, HE IS DISTURBING OTHERS WITH FAITH.

For centuries christians have been allowed to express their freedom of religion. Atheists have the right too.

Dont be a hypocrite, if you want atheists to stick to their belief and let everyone be, then also tell christians to stick to their beliefs and shut up.

3) . For your sake, I hope that you are not christian because your argument contradicts yourself. Why would there be controversies if the bible is accurate?

4)The bible is wrong on so many levels- regulating slavery, saying that women should be silent in churches, sexism, genocide etc.

Why should atheist have a holy book?

5) How does saying that there is no God contradict saying that the bible is not the word of God? God doesnt exist and so he can not have a book- simple

6) Ignorance about evolution. Read about evolution. This should not even be debated. Just because a scientific theory debunks your religion deosnt mean it is wrong. Do you also reject germ theory or the theory of gravity? Instead of teaching evolution to our children, we are left with this ignorance

7) Why should atheists be thankful to a non-existent God or thankful for no reason?

Remove religion and we would have one less reason to be discriminatory, divisive and fighting.

9) Bigotry and intolerance again. Tell the people that preach the bible and force it on our heads to shut up first. They preach in churches with loadspeakers, preach on the internet, jehovah witness our front door, preach in the markets, preach on TV and preach on the internet. Hypocrite

10) You can only make this allusion because you know that there is day.

gaddafe: I was about to say the same thing. What has politics got to do with religion? Are they similar in anyway?

Wow, the irony being that your username is gaddafe

musKeeto: What does one's religious or non=religious inclination have to do with being President? Of course, if the atheists is capable, I'd vote him but not because He's an atheist...

that would be as dumb as voting someone because he was shoeless...

Wow, you are quite ignorant about American politics. Conservatives will only vote for a christian.

vedaxcool: Nowhere did I say you must accept the Qur'an, I only say you should read and he the truth will be evident from it. And u don't need to know really whose authority it is from since, u can simply read it and subject its claims to test. As for interpretation, you don't need any rule per say for interpreting it, since mostly it is written plainly, but some few verses might require further reading texts of the hadiths. I can say basically the mode of transmission of the Qur'an might make the only requirement be that certain verses explains some other verses more, but again it requires that the skeptic be honest and not indoctrinated and only interested in rehearsing what he was told.

The Koran in English is quite haphazard. You read one translation and an Arabic-speaking muslim will tell you that you're wrong. Vedaxcool, Tbaba and LagosShia all say that the Koran doesnt support wife beating. So tell me, are these fake English translations;

Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

Pickthall: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.


Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. )
Qur'an

Mr_Anony: You keep missing my point, I can't go about disproving every character you come up with. As a christian, I have no dispute with the existence or nonexistence of santa or thor but for you by defining yourself as an atheist the statement that there is no God/gods is of high relevance to you and yet it is not really backed up by anything. What is the difference then between you and the religious fanatic driven by blind faith that cannot be backed up.

As for slavery, I have said earlier the Christian stance concerning slavery, read the passages I mentioned earlier so that you don't go quoting out of context. don't be too quick to type replies.

What the hell are you talking about that I have blind faith? Please, do not let me insult you? How can an atheist have blind faith? An atheist is someone who doesnt believe in a God because there is no reason/evidence to believe so. I can not accept that there is a God since there is no evidence or logical argument for his existence. Nothing on earth supports his existence. Nothing.


You christians can really become annoying? Who are you to tell me that I am quoting the bible out of context? Maybe you dont realise that I was a christian before an atheist.

The bible accepts and encourages slavery. You keep denying this fact.

New Testament for you;

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

Furthermore, christianity should not be praised for stopping slavery (that it started). It's like starting or pouring gasoline on fire and then extinguishing the fire to claim that you're a hero.

Mr_Anony: Great to see that we are past this point.



Wrong, you do realise that the meaning of Christian is "like Christ" You do realise that the old testament of the bible is not christianity

It is inaccurate to say that christianity supported slavery seeing that those who fought against slavery were mostly christians and were motivated by christianity to abolish slave trade. Please do not imply what i have not said.



There is no physical proof of God. None. Not one. Your God has the same certainty with Thor and Santa Claus.

I cant prove that there is no God the same way that I cant prove that Santa claus doesnt exist. You dont prove a negative.

The question is how are you so sure that there is no God seeing that you cannot disprove His existence? I'll put it like this; If I said to my little daughter, Santa doesn't exist she'll say
daughter: who brings all the gifts?
Me: Daddy
daughter: Who wears the red costume
Me: Daddy
Daughter: so santa is really daddy
Me: Yes


With God of course, this conversation will be a lot more complex because the atheist wouldn't be able to answer all the questions hence I'll still be just as confused as I was from the start hence I'll ask; then how are you so sure?

I've tried to simplify it as much as I can

You ignored disproving thor. Some Russian people think Santa Claus is a spirit. Disprove that he is a spirit that makes people feel loved during christmas. You only focused on the American version of Santa Claus.


As for slavery, are you forgetting that slavery is condoned in the new testament as well? "slavs obey your masters"

See thief! Tithe robber! Fraud!


Moderators should ban this. This is brainwashing people to be robbed!

Ptolomeus: Very good post!
I subscribe.
1. There have been people who were forced to be slaves. They have lived a painful life, dreaming always with the greatest treasure that a man can have: FREEDOM.
But there are also people who have chosen to be slaves. They prefer to live on your knees, cursing their roots, their ancestors and their traditions.
They are stateless, for them there is the word "brother", or feel pain at the suffering of others.

Above the sky my friend!
A sincere hug.

Thank you! Amigos!

lol.......

Christians pls answer!

ijawkid: @ least u'll vote..............

Answer the question.

Mr_Anony: My friend, you seem to have a knack for dragging threads on tangents nevertheless we can both agree that there was pre-colonial slavery in Africa (whether sold or captured, Delta or Yoruba or whatever have you) The point is that slavery was not introduced to Africa by the whiteman.

Commercial slavery (buying and selling slaves) was introduced by the Muslim Arabs and expanded by European christians in West Africa.

However, you point still stands. White man did not introduce slavery to West Africa. However, the whitemen of the past were very guilty of slavery.

Mr_Anony: There is a world of difference between accepted and encouraged. Slavery was the norm in apostolic times, Christianity isn't as much concerned about your physical state as it is with your spiritual state. The Christian teaching was to treat slaves as brothers in Christ. Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:28, Philemon, 1Corinthians 7:18-24, Ephesians 6:5-9.

Slavery is encouraged and accepted by christianity/the bible. Racial/ethnic kind of slavery

"your slaves may come from the nations around you" Leveticus 25;44

Ar least, you agree that christianity accepted slavery, yet you are still proud to be a christian. Shame. The same religion that actively supported the slavery of your forefathers.

Mr_Anony: Slavery however is not the point of this thread the point of this thread is this; I want you as an atheist to logically back up the statement that there is no God. What makes you so sure? Tell me why God cannot possibly exist.

There is no physical proof of God. None. Not one. Your God has the same certainty with Thor and Santa Claus.

I cant prove that there is no God the same way that I cant prove that Santa claus doesnt exist. You dont prove a negative

In America, this is a fact; most Americans would not vote for an atheist president. Atheists are one of the least trusted groups of people.


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Mr_Anony: Your tribe - whichever that is - did not sell slaves, good for you. It is however a well known fact that the pre-colonial hausas did have slaves in their households as well as in the palaces of pre-colonial Yoruba Obas there were slaves and eunuchs, some tribes - I am not sure which now but I think in the calabar region - used to fatten up a chosen number of slaves so as to bury with their king. there are also known cases of pre-colonial slavery in east african regions and even in Ethiopia which didn't have any colonial masters there was slavery until 1942 when it was abolished by Haille Selassie. So you see slavery is neither a european concept nor christian for that matter. Go and study it properly

Strawman- I never said the slavery is a European thing.


I am from Delta. No slaves there. Yes some kings had slaves. But did normal people sell slaves as a commodity? No!

The only King that I know that had slaves was the Oba of Benin. Please dont start adding things you dont know of about calabar and other Yoruba kings. My king had servants who had their own property and families.

Slavery was accepted by christianity as okay. So, please, why use it as a moral guideline?

Mr_Anony: What if I told you that slavery was going on in Africa between African tribes before the whitemen came, european slavery was not carried out in the name of christianity besides in Africa at least, conversion to christianity was not forced on the natives. christian missionaries went about preaching some even lost their lives in the process. actually it was christians like william wilberforce and abraham lincoln as well as a number of other christian missionaries who fought to end slave trade.

What people do in the name of their god doesn't necessarily define their god. every religion should really be judged by it's principles and it's adherrents rather than it's claimants

WHATTT? ARE YOU bleeping KIDDING ME?


My tribe never sold slaves before white men came and so did many West African slaves. Slaves were never a commodity. My forefathers killed enemies or neighbouring villagers but no enslavement. Where was the need for slaves when we werent building monuments or pyramids and our farm labour came from the numerous children of our polygamous families?


You are a slave to try and bring down the weat african black man to defend the white man

vedaxcool: Lol! It should be clear that the best u atheists always make is self indicting question . . . It is not about what I believe is about some irregular banter about how he cannot verify any claims by others, yet digs the same pit for himself. when would we meet atheist that can coherent argument? You guess is as good as mine, when cows are able to jump over the moon.

Guy, stop trolling. Your religion has been debunked.

-Jesus (both the crucified and un-crucified )lived in a time when there were no Arabs or Muslims in Jerusalem.
-Jesus was copied from christianity by Islam.
-4 wives maximum in Koran but Muhammad had up to 12

Surah 4 Verse 3:
And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.

Image123: 72 is naturally more than two times of 27, it's natural to take more note of the 72 as been responsible for the happenings if that's a reliable benchmark, that is. Your table is useless as i also have mine table that says there is no peace for the sinner. Peace and freedom are relative you know? Neither secularity nor religion is a prerequisite for peace or freedom.

You are just beating around the bush. The people who compiled the peace index used a lot of inidcators to make that table such as political instability, relationship with neighboring countries, criminality in the society etc.

Secularity is a prerequisite for freedom. Fact. Religion can not guarantee you freedom from religion or rather, freedom from itself. Only a secular country can guarantee you freedom from religion, of religion and full human rights.

The peace index is not useless.




Furthermore, only 15% of the 72% go to church. Furthermore the fgure for christians in new zealand is not 72%, it is the people that believe in God. Christians in New Zealand are about 50%

vedaxcool: Child of ignorance have u noticed I ignored ur iraational banter? Because most of what you say has its roots in stupidity and low intellect!

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hisblud: oops! so the bolded is not affected by greed or corruption oh so only "christian" countries have been so ravaged by greed and corruption because religion helps them to do G & C very well! see bias reasoning

You are really ignorant. Reread my comment and look at the bolded part below;

logicboy: I explained the type of greed and thinking that affects Nigeria specifically. They dont appl;y to atheistic nations.

Politicians are all corrupt, some countries more than others.

ijawkid: All of the above my bro....

D truth about revelations is that we will continue to learn it and align our understandings to that book until d world ends and after.....

Its a book of judgement(armageddon),and happy everlasting times to come...

Revelations is nonsense

It's funny how protestants rebel against the catholic church. The bible you use was compiled by the catholic church. There was a time that even your protestant church was catholic.


Christianity is a joke

hisblud:
Corruption, Greed and thinking are the others abi, ok apply same to "athiestic" nation that are experiencing stinging poverty standards on their populace. And with all their reasoning they are yet to solve their poverty problems.

I explained the type of greed and thinking that affects Nigeria specifically. They dont appl;y to atheistic nations.

Politicians are all corrupt, some countries more than others.


Please, apply some reasoning. I know that te slave religion has destroyed some parts of your mind yet

mazaje: Even though I do not subscribe to the Jesus was crucified for the whole of mankind and resurrected nonsense myth. . .I am just tired of muslims seeking validation for their religion through christianity. . . .Was anybody there when Mohammed was allegedly receiving his revelations in a cave?

Thank you, furthermore, Tbaba is a coward that avoids threads that have factual criticism of his religion and then comes here to bash christianity.

Tbaba and Islam are jokes, they copy the christian and Jewish religion and then claim that their religion is the true religion. Jesus was born a jew and lived around jews in a time that there werent Arabs or muslims in Jerusalem.



Keep avoiding threads on islam, Tbaba;
https://www.nairaland.com/945273/pakistan-banning-twitter-censorship
https://www.nairaland.com/943454/things-they-wont-tell-you

Mr_Anony: 1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?





This is in response to similar posts by logicboy and other militant evangelist atheists on Nairaland.

Well done, Mr Anony. I am happy someone had the courage to reply my thread https://www.nairaland.com/946153/things-they-wont-tell-you

However, while my thread is factual, yours has a lot of inaccuracies.

1) Atheism has nothing to do with conscience and crime. Talking about crime, the most peaceful countries are secular and irreligious. The Vatican city is one of the states with the most crimes in the world.

2) No one really has moral guidlines, even christianity. Should we follow the bible's moral guidelines and burn witches, stone homosexuals, keep women silent in church, regulate slavery and let rapists get married to their victims? Morality will always come from the individual and society, whether the morality is good/bad.

3) Hitler was a catholic. Christianity has killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined.

4) Hypocrisy. Christians force people to believe in their God by playing their sunday service on loud speakers to disturb communities, preaching in buses, preaching in the market and going from door to door. There are many christian channels on TV and churches on every street in Nigeria. However, when atheists talk about God on the internet, they are extremely evangelical

5) Not all athiests are scienitist and not all atheists use science to argue against religion. My thread above is evidence.

6) That is a lie. Atheists each have their own different individual ideas on morality. Morality comes from the individual and society which are subjective. The bible has useless morals- again, should we burn witches or tell women to be silent in churches?

7) Lies and ad hominems

Is that a rational reason to believe in a God? A God that has the same certainty as Santa Claus and the tooth fairy? We can not 100% disprove God or the Santa Clause although, there is not one physical evidence for God.

PAGAN 9JA:
what are you

From the south-south where oil is