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hisblud:
Corruption, Greed and thinking are the others abi, ok apply same to "athiestic" nation that are experiencing stinging poverty standards on their populace. And with all their reasoning they are yet to solve their poverty problems.

I explained the type of greed and thinking that affects Nigeria specifically. They dont appl;y to atheistic nations.

Politicians are all corrupt, some countries more than others.


Please, apply some reasoning. I know that te slave religion has destroyed some parts of your mind yet

mazaje: Even though I do not subscribe to the Jesus was crucified for the whole of mankind and resurrected nonsense myth. . .I am just tired of muslims seeking validation for their religion through christianity. . . .Was anybody there when Mohammed was allegedly receiving his revelations in a cave?

Thank you, furthermore, Tbaba is a coward that avoids threads that have factual criticism of his religion and then comes here to bash christianity.

Tbaba and Islam are jokes, they copy the christian and Jewish religion and then claim that their religion is the true religion. Jesus was born a jew and lived around jews in a time that there werent Arabs or muslims in Jerusalem.



Keep avoiding threads on islam, Tbaba;
https://www.nairaland.com/945273/pakistan-banning-twitter-censorship
https://www.nairaland.com/943454/things-they-wont-tell-you

[quote author=Mr_Anony]1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?





This is in response to similar posts by logicboy and other militant evangelist atheists on Nairaland.[/quote]Well done, Mr Anony. I am happy someone had the courage to reply my thread https://www.nairaland.com/946153/things-they-wont-tell-you

However, while my thread is factual, yours has a lot of inaccuracies.

1) Atheism has nothing to do with conscience and crime. Talking about crime, the most peaceful countries are secular and irreligious. The Vatican city is one of the states with the most crimes in the world.

2) No one really has moral guidlines, even christianity. Should we follow the bible's moral guidelines and burn witches, stone homosexuals, keep women silent in church, regulate slavery and let rapists get married to their victims? Morality will always come from the individual and society, whether the morality is good/bad.

3) Hitler was a catholic. Christianity has killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined.

4) Hypocrisy. Christians force people to believe in their God by playing their sunday service on loud speakers to disturb communities, preaching in buses, preaching in the market and going from door to door. There are many christian channels on TV and churches on every street in Nigeria. However, when atheists talk about God on the internet, they are extremely evangelical

5) Not all athiests are scienitist and not all atheists use science to argue against religion. My thread above is evidence.

6) That is a lie. Atheists each have their own different individual ideas on morality. Morality comes from the individual and society which are subjective. The bible has useless morals- again, should we burn witches or tell women to be silent in churches?

7) Lies and ad hominems

Is that a rational reason to believe in a God? A God that has the same certainty as Santa Claus and the tooth fairy? We can not 100% disprove God or the Santa Clause although, there is not one physical evidence for God.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what are you [/quote]From the south-south where oil is

Ngwakwe: How can you post a reaction while excluding the action, you are a hypocrite. Why should African infiltrators though some are refugees be raping Israelis teens and making life unbearable for their host in the first place.

Again do you know that some Israelis do petition the high court on their behalf?

I thought you said Israel is such a bad place why are so many Africans flooding into it and not into 22 Arab Countries.

Just carry you one sided propaganda to where sun does not shine.

Spoken like a true slave. Isreal is quite a problematic country. West Africans flood all countries even China and India. You want to know why? Because christian Europeans raped West Africa and West African leaders are not ready to develop West Africa.

Isreal is far from the top 10 countries in the world. And like a true slave, you promote isreal, the birthplace of a religion (christianity) that enslaved our forefathers as a Nigerian.


Instead of looking how to improve your African country, you act like a slave and praise a country well known for its religious bigotry.

Image123: if 72% of new zealand believes in God, why claim it is not religious. are you an illiterate? And for the other two countries , you mean to say those are your epitome of peace and freedom? iceland freedom and japan peace? hmmm,ok. Do those countries experience their freedom and peace because of not being religious?

Out of that 72% who believe in God in New zealand, how many of them go to church?

"Religion in New Zealand is dominated demographically by Christianity, at just over half of the population at the 2006 New Zealand Census[1] although regular church attendance is probably closer to 15%""

Furthermore, New Zealand is a secular country, Nigeria is not. Did you also notice that 27% are clearly agnostic/atheist n ~New Zealand, while Nigeria has less than 1% atheists.
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Did you also ignore the picture of the world peace index? Are you that shallow?

Yes, Japan, New Zealand and Iceland are peaceful because they are secular, secularity is a prerequiesite fro peace and freedom, not religion

alexleo: sorry i dont have time to read posts from harakiri. He displays madness and when people display madness i dont read their post. I tried reading his first one but when i saw the madness i stopped. The second one he posted now i just scrolled past it so i dont know the content and dont care to know because it contains nothing but display of madness.
I read your post. I read that of logic boy. I read manmustwac. I read that of Jenwitemi and i reply you all. Yeah even though i dont agree with you people yet i find your posts readable. As for my belief in God it cannot be shaken by God's grace and if you people are not ready to prove God then its foolishness to keep claiming he does not exist.

Pigs enjoy swimming in mud and their own filth, just like you enjoy wallowing in your ignorance. You cant prove that there is God and then you turn and say atheist are not lazy for proving your own God? Why build a religion around an unprovable God?

You have some nerve calling Harakiri mad

joe4christ: hahahaha i could'nt help but laugh aloud at the above assertion, so you're actually afraid of the possibilities of you burning in hell forever someday?

Dont be decieved bro, you cannot pertake of the glory of God specially reserved for those who though they never saw him but believed him and obey his command, this are the people who are qualified to share in his heavenly glory.
For once atleast, be truthful to yourself, would you want to share in the glory of someone you renounced and rejected and spoke evil against?
I guess you would'nt cos you know the fact that you dont just merit it.

Goodluck on your unpurposed and uncertain life journey powered by the forces of deception!

Where did I say that I believe in or want to go to heaven?

hisblud: interesting, so if christians carry out a research/survey and give their conclusion, then its a lie Oh christians are not scientific to come up wit such. Is just their imagination.

Sense, it no make!

hisblud: @logicboy " And so he is right to say that christianity is part of the reasonfor the downfall of Africa" lets assume that christianity is part of the problem, what are the other cause of poverty in west africa, nigeria specifically, so that i can get me out first, then others!

Causes of poverty in Nigeria

1) Corruption. Corrupt politicians

2) Greed. Government cronies selling generators and making billions instead of fixing electricity problems. Which multinational will invest in a country that can not manufacture anything due to electricity problems?

3) Religion. Boko haram. Tithe thieves. No separation of church and state. Inferiority complex to white Jesus

4) Thinking. The average Nigerian politician would rather buy a Jeep that can drive on mountains than fix the bad roads in Nigeria

4)

hisblud: ho ho ha ha, dont derail the topic, its about poverty not racial or slavery. So logicboi, i guess i need to see you contributing to the bedeviled world economy for a change, do some logic thinking. :-)

Is slavery not an economic as well as racial and political issue? Does it not affect the inferiority complex in Nigeria? Wasnt it economicall viable for Europeans who raped Nigeria?

Is tithing not a financial model for churches? Does it not affect the poor who tithe?

hisblud: Nice to know that religion is not needed in their lives. But the crisis in such countries, which has tended to poverty of thousands, was never as a result of religion. Thank God, but at least to the man-god which has found it hard for more than 3years to solve common financial problems please read this article and see how poverty is biting and mind you, not religion is the cause http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/blog/content/financial-crisis-deprives-livelihood-poverty-sparks-fury-iceland-france-russia-greeceprotest

Even with financial crisis, these countries are better than other religious countries (including Nigeria)

[quote author=Joel.]Do any of u believe in Holy Ghost Fire that burnt people in the church? If not i'm sorry. That fire is not a physical but a spirit fire that torment demons spirit. If yes then believe in hell fire now.[/quote]Holy ghost fire doesnt exist. Call your pastor to use his holy ghost fire against boko haram and he will feel the firepower of a bomb

hisblud: so if africa of yesteryears, religion caused its perpetual poverty, by your assumption, the current european meltdown, must be because atheistic reasoning. Talk of strawman thinking abi?

Christianity did this;

Inferiority in blacks- (Jesus painted white in chrches)

Ignorance- (Against evolution)

Supported slavery in West Africa (The bible regulates slavery, curse of ham)

Pastors tithing the poor and buying private jets


These things have an effect on a country



What did atheism do?

hisblud: and dont forget, the most atheistic, the most suicidal, since i simply live for now, no hope for anything. And if i feel depressed, i ...

This is a lie that has been told by many christians. They use Sweden to say that atheists are more suicidal. It's like me using Saudi Arabia to say that muslims hate women drivers

Image123: what's your index for peace and freedom. i don't believe having peace or freedom has anything to do with not believing God.

Iceland
-A Gallup poll conducted in 2011 found that 60% of Icelanders considered religion to be unimportant in their daily lives, one of the highest rates of irreligion in the world.[3

New Zealand
-The results of this survey indicated that 72% of the population believe in God or a higher power, 15% are agnostic, and 13% are atheist (with a 3% margin of error).[8]

Japan
-64% atheistic

hisblud: what a generalization:-) ok wit the current world economic meltdown, i can ASSUME religion especially in the western countries, must be the principal reason. By extension, the devil is resident in greece which has been receiving bailout after bailout, yet no improvement. The devil is really drinking those bailout lol :-)

Correction, he said that religion/churches is part of the reason for the downfall of Africa

1) He said "part" and that is not an extreme generalization as such!

2) He did not mention recession or bailout. Nice strawman

3) Christianity came with slavery to West Africa. And so he is right to say that christianity is part of the reason for the downfall of Africa

4) There is also torture abd abuse of child witches by christians. There are also pastors who are tithe thieves and slappers of little girls

5) The most peaceful countries in the world are secular and atheistic

Image123: the richest and most powerful people in nigeria believe there is a God.

And that is why the rich and powerful in Nigeria are leading Nigeria astray. Oyedepo slapping people, governors embezzling and pastors embezzling tithes like governors



The most peaceful and free countries in the world are secular and have a lot of atheist. The poorest are religious

jmoore: You are angry that Jesus healed her which killed your only proof. You were just a church goer, you don't understand the bible. I think you are very confused

Racist doctors also heal people.

What proof do you have that shows that I was only a church goer? What makes you think that I have not read the bible? Do you just throw out lies?

jmoore: @logicboy You have no idea what Jesus meant by "the lost sheep" neither do you know when Jesus tests someone, therefore you can't compare Jesus to the doctor's story.

JOHN 3:16 made it clear that salvation is available for all "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

I was a christian for 22 years. It is not only insulting but a lie to claim that I do not know the meaning of the verse or about Jesus.

Sorry, but you can not fool me. Jesus was racist there. What was the point of testing the woman's faith when she had faith that Jesus could help her? She already had faith in Jesus!

You are going to run mad soon.

The bible was not written in day and now you want to review it as an immoral fairytale of lies, kings and dragons?

lol.....You have some balls man. There were some funny parts in the review (Especially the king who wanted his wife to shake her bottom) but this sh1t is too long

jmoore: @logicboy no need debating about this because you have said it over and over again on different threads. You have no idea what Jesus meant by "the lost sheep" neither do you know when Jesus tests someone. If Jesus was really racist,he should not have healed her.

You don't believe in God yet you believed Jesus healed her, SMH

Clearly, as an atheist I dont believe in supernatural healing but that is besides the point.


You point is now that doctors can not be racist if they heal people, which is actually part of their job?

jmoore: Why did he heal her if he was racist? Don't derail this thread with those foolish logic of yours, grow up dude!!

If you took your dying son to a doctor, and the doctor tells you that he only treats Isrealites and then you had to beg before he heals your son. Would you ver say that the doctor is a good person? Isnt the doctor a racist irrespective of the healing of your son?

ea7: read them, done book by book, pretty funny. think of it as a book.

Too much fairytale is bad for you! The bible gives me headaches from all the eyerolling due to its lies

jmoore: You can't separate God the father from God the son. Verses in the bible made it clear that Jesus is God, he is worthy to be worshiped too.

Clearly, God is a racist Jew




Matthew 15:22-28
New International Version (NIV)
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Ptolomeus: Hahahaha ...
Dear friend ... (You know I respect him a lot)
I am a researcher of African traditions, mainly from the Yoruba.
I do not speak Yoruba (wish it were), just I have a vague notion ...
Always a pleasure to talk with you dear friend!

Vamo' arriba la celeste querido amigo!
Un abrazo!

Nice.

I am not from the Yoruba tribe myself

ea7: @logicboy https://www.nairaland.com/863297/review-new-testament/1 my thread is back

That thread is unattractive. I dont have patience to read the long rant. You need better marketing for your bible bashing. Do it like me; simple and precise.

OLAADEGBU: Shall we call this thread the reason why skeptics are hellphobia? Here is a story of how a man who showed this phobia.

A man was driving to work when a lorry drove through a stop sign, hit his car broadside, and knocked him out. Passers-by pulled him from the wreck and revived him. He began a terrific struggle and had to be tranquillised by the paramedics.

Later, when he came to and was calm, they asked him why he struggled so much. He said:

"I remember the impact, then nothing. I woke up on a concrete slab in front of a huge, flashing 'Shell' sign. And somebody was standing in front of the S."

1) The guy in your story could have been a christian

2) You cant use one case to label atheists.

3) Heliophobia is fear of sunlight. Hellophobia is not a word

4) You suffer from atheophobia

Deep Sight: Why did you call me here? What is the meaning of this thread. There should be more to atheism than mere religion bashing. Fundamentally, you need to have strong philosophical reasons for the core atheistic proposition. That is where to start from, son.

I dont need philosophy or science to be an atheist! Slavery made me an atheist! The three major religions all support slavery which leads me to the conclusion that if there is no physical proof of God and all religious people fail in their description of God, then God definitely doesnt care about humans and probably doesnt exist

Deep Sight: This -



Contradicts this -




- - - And as such concludes the point that those things are not physical things!

Please, could you visit my new thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/946153/things-they-wont-tell-you