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OkCornel:
Did Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph) exist in Rabbinical literatures...or were these forged by the Romans into Jewish history too...hmmmm?

Which Rabbinical literature does Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph) appear in?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is enough as a book of RECORDED ancient events, so it's either you believe or disbelieve nobody can force anybody!

When those so called events lack the evidence that would otherwise be abundant if they really did happen, we are then justified in viewing any narrative based on such events as suspect. No Adam and Eve, no garden of Eden, no global flood, no ark, no Tower of Babel, no Abraham, no 10 plagues, no exodus from Egypt and on and on, till we get to, no evidence of a miracle working preacher in a Roman occupied Levant. Sure we can't force you but we can certainly continue to query why so much of your stories lack the requisite evidence.

Born2winnx:
Hello all
My girlfriend wants me to wear same native attire to her niece wedding on Friday. I thought she was joking when she suggested it last week, because I don't even plan on going due to my busy schedule. But to my surprise she's just came to my house with some yards of the material she bought with her money.

Though I appreciate her good gestures, but I don't think it's right.. We are not married. What will her people say when dey see me with her like that because her father, mother, brothers and sisters will be there, not talking about her extended families.

I had to confide with a friend and he told me blantly that it is a set up, I should abort. That he had witness a similar case in a party when a guy was behaving as if he had paid his girlfriend bride price...what happened was the guy didn't leave the way he came. I won't want that to happen to me but before I decide I like to hear from you all.

relationship is 3months
I don't know her family house, talkless to know who born her.. not yet ready to.

Ok so you are not that into her right? There really is no big deal in wearing the same clothes. We wear sports jerseys to identify with teams and personalities we like so what is the big deal in wearing aso ebi? Unless of course you don't want to be associated with her then your reluctance would make sense.

Image123:
How many people go to hear Alice every Sunday. Wearynet, please be realistic and reasonable. Professors and doctors all over the world go to some god/God some 3 or 4 times every week for decades. And it's going on for thousands of years. And you compare to Alice. Common man, wake up.

Ron Hubbard a sci-fi fiction author made up a religion 70years ago and it has strong adherents today. It should already have been clear to you that devotion is not an indicator of truth.

Image123:
,i know. Thanks for pointing it out though.

For someone who follows Jesus you sure don't like taking to correction. I thought a follower of Jesus was supposed to be humble? LoLz.

Image123:
Common man, wake up.

It's come on or c'mon for short.

wirinet:
Your guys are delusional, I would even say schizophrenic to believe these thrash. It's like believing and arguing about Alice in wonderland.

Lordreed, you are wasting your time arguing on 2nd century fairy tales.

Me argue? I've learnt my lesson taytay. LoLz. I was goading him to tell me more of his spaghetti ball of a story so I can laugh real good.

Image123:
You did run out of them, i know you quite well.

LoLz. Now you are a mind reader over the Internet. Bwahahahahaha!

Image123:
i don't remember writing as if i scored victory. i simply answered your questions until you ran out of more. There's no tale in what i have said, they are mostly found in the Bible. Just that i clearly know that most of it is not common knowledge. Discussing Trinity or separation of the human or eternity is not Superjojo that is clear to the understanding of every harry.

Even after telling you I didn't run out of questions you are still repeating it, makes it obvious you think its some kind of victory to pat yourself on the back over. Else I see no reason why such a simple correction continues to elude you. LoLz.

Image123:
Answering questions is not dominance, i don't have battles/wars to fight. Jesus Christ gave me the victory already.

So why did you write as if you scored some kind of victory? My decision to longer continue to draw out your tales had nothing to do with running out of questions so it was just so hilarious seeing your response.

Image123:
Your petrol don finish, good one. It continues to finish, glory be to God. By His grace, they always run out of questions to get us.

That's the thing with you folk, everything is a dominance game because you think you are fighting some imaginary war. Enjoy. LoLz.

triplechoice:
Is it created or can it be destroyed? It is neither created or destroyed..Modern quantum physics is begining to let us understand that the world and how it operates may be different from what is previously known; it may not be what we think .

.Energy ,that I am (my true self), is not created nor destroyed. If it can be destroyed, then , consciousness will not reincarnate.

Few persons are aware. of their previous life, while the majority of people are not aware. It is not easy to remember everything in one's present life not to talk of a past life.

However, one can remember their previous life if one chooses to. The re things that can be done to have a past life recalll to prove that one's consciousness has existed before in another body.

The claims I make, are not supported by science, that is ,scientists in the main body of science, except independent scientists working on their own, have not conducted any research to verify them, but it doesn't mean they are not true..

The re truths that people know of that are not yet proven by scientists.This could be due to non interest in investigating it or the limitations of the scientific nethod which makes it impossible to verify such claims.

However, ,this doesn't mean that one should just accept whatever anyone says is true with the excuse that scientists are yet prove or disprove it..


For the above, one needs to be careful so as to avoid accepting other people's experience as your own and start living it. This can happen to those who don't know how to determine "facts from fiction"

Surprisingly, there are people who can visualize better with their eyes open than when closed, contrary to the usual advice to close it while doing so.

So imagine you're one of such persons who can visualize better with eyes open being advised to close it so you can do it better. If you follow that advice, you will not do it right unless you revert to what you can do naturally; eyes open

Some people teach that a silent and dark place is necessary for a good meditation experience. While there is some element truth in this, it is not completely true. Some people can meditate anywhere and anytime, but this usually comes with mastery.

There are others who without any form of mastery are naturally able to shut out their immediate environment and focus on what they do.

So its usually and individual thing concerning some of these things and not that it is so for everyone. One needs to use different approach to determine what is comfortable and works best and not because another person or expert says so .

Finally, there are other cognitive abilities that we possess which are not brain based. I know some people have already disagreed with this statement and may come for my head later.

When the input that comes through the brain is reduced, especially during sleep these abilities become fully operatiional and enables us to do things that we can't do in our normal waking state with our brains fully active..

At this point, it is our true self, the consciousness within, that's now free to express itself unhindered by brain.that seeks to control our behavior when we are awake.

I have said before that dreams are the experiences our true self has when our bodies are at rest, with the experiences flashed or recorded in our brains as dreams using the images embedded it so we can remember those experiences when we wake up.

Brains don't create dreams, if not ,Lucid dreams will not happen. Lucid dreams are when you become conscious in your dream that you're dreaming and start to act as if awake. If brains create dreams, this can't be possible.

Some people usually have dreams of precognition . The human brain is incapable if such function according to current brain theory in the sciences. This is the reason when one report dreams of such nature to others,, some people who don't understand the reason scientists reject such dreams, will unthinkingly says it happens by chance or coincidence.

But that is not true. scientists are not in a position right now to know exactly what goes on subjectively within ourselves. They don't have the tools to peer further other than to make inferences from observable brain activities which doesn't reveal everything.

So when there's less brain input coming from the outside, other cognitive abilities that we have, as consciousness within, usually come alive with the results from these abilities flashed across our mental screen so we can make use of these information if we need to. But we usually ignore this info for what is already contained in our limited rational mind/brain

All of these that I have explained will only make sense if we can accept we are not the bodies we occupy. However, whether we accept or not, it doesn't stop us from having those experiences . But ..........

For the first question can I take it that your answer is, yes it follows the laws we use to describe energy?

You didn't really answer the second question. I need you to explain the experience of heightened sensation in some senses when other senses are not in operation based on your model of consciousness.

ben4ever:
It got clearer, now I believe that there's a world aside ours, I spoke in two languages and was answered in two languages. I know that there's mind control out there and much more.

Cool story bro. LoLz.

Image123:
i understand your confusion

You were erroneously thinking that God

i think i just confused a couple more people Let me post

I think you've been under the impression that this was more than me laughing at your horribly convoluted tales. I just wanted to see how far you were willing to stretch credulity and it seems very far indeed. LoLz.

Image123:
Lol, He is omnipresent. He does not need to go in the sense, He only needs to be revealed or your eyes rather opened.






A body that doesn't die or get sick, the believers coming to reign with Him will have same body. It was the kind of body He had after resurrection that the disciples saw ascend. Like someone opined, Adam and Eve is close to it, though not it as they were made a little lower than angels.

So he will again unfuse from the god fusion and come in a spirit body? While his spirit was all the while on earth?

Yeah, disintegrates in the divide sense not decomposition sense. It's maybe like a device having memories like internal memory, external memory, RAM, ROM etc. Man is much more complex than man made devices. Our "server" is more than just physical, it is tripartite.

You still haven't said where it resides after death.

In a sense, yes. Evidently, the mystery of godliness is more than this, we just use illustrations that we can understand, like we sometimes use man or water in different forms etc to explain/illustrate.

John 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


The fusion is of three Persons so that it is one God, yet three distinct Persons.

More like language obfuscation. You actually have a panteon of gods but you use language to dress it up.

Lol, from God. He is the Father of spirits. It's like a company seal in production. We are all given our unique seals from God. Even though your parents reproduce you and most of what you are and become is from them, it is not without God. Every human being has a spirit and the spirit comes from God.

It was you who said god left it to humans before and that it doesn't exist before a human is conceived. So now you are saying it comes from the god so does the god create the spirit when a child is conceived or what?

Divine knowledge. Machines already can recognise you and have all your data without having met you before. This is nothing compared to God and Heaven. It's actually besides the point though. The point is that humans will recognise each other in the afterlife. Imagine meeting your family in Heaven or the afterlife without the good features you knew them with. They just point to a door and say that was your wife and then you look like a cup or whatever features spirits look like. Clearly, we need the bodies more.

What I can't imagine is this convoluted mess you are trying to explain. It sounds so clumsy I wonder how you feel telling me all this stuff. You actually believe this thing you are explaining to me?

Psa 19:1  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 
Psa 19:2  Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 
Psa 19:3  There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 

If you have not seen His existence, it's unfortunately your cup of tea. He doesn't need you to see it, you are the one that needs to see it on time like several others have.

If a god exists and feels the best way to introduce himself is not a direct relationship then I don't see the point in the god. I see the trees and appreciate them, I also appreciate Beyoncé's picture but I would be foolish to imagine that me appreciating her picture means I have a relationship with her.

Image123:
He's here in Spirit form, mainly invisible, God is a Spirit. He's coming in visible form like i quoted in the Acts.

So he left his spirit body and is here without it but will go get and come back?

The episodes/events were obviously short and once in a while from the accounts you referenced. Just like man doesn't normally live in space or water.

So what type of body is Jesus coming in that will enable him rule for a 1000 years?

It disintegrates/divides to the spirit and the body.

Memory disintegrates on death?

The Son part.

The son part un-fused, left his spirit body then came to be born like a normal baby?

BTW this fusing is it the god spirit bodies that are fusing or the god spirits that are fusing or all 2 a parts, spirit body and spirit that are fused?

Reproducing, not creating.

So where does the spirit come from, the sperm and ovum?

For both. In Heaven, we'll recognize and remember people. We'll see all the fellow saints from both Old and New testament. And the whole big family. He doesn't need the body, we need it.

You'll recognise people you've never met? How?

You're correct, He can do whatsoever He wants and pleases. We're the ones who don't have time, He dwells in eternity.

Sure, including acting as if he doesn't exist. LoLz.

Image123:
You should pay for these tutorials, lol.

Act 1:11 KJV Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus Christ is not here in a visible form like we could all see and touch Him before ascension. He's coming back in such visible and tangible form to all humans to reign. Every eye will see Him then, definitely you must have read.

I guess what I really mean is how is he here and away at the same time. In what form is he here and there at the same time?

Obviously they couldn't stay, those are provisions like people going under water or space. It's not their natural habitat. The devil possesses living things and lives convenient for years, very different.

How is it obvious?

Depends on what is memory. i can liken it to reproduction. Our chief reproductive organs are our private parts. Nonetheless, every part of our body is reproducing. If you are referring to what part is primarily responsible for thinking in a human, it is the soul.
Again these things are fused together like God is. Same way some people ignorantly joke that God is talking to Himself in the case of the Trinity.

If memory is in the soul what happens to it when a person dies?

So which part of god came as Jesus if he is fused together?

Same place that the body was, no where. God is not repeating Genesis 1,2 every time, He has given that mainly to man.

So humans are the ones creating new human spirits now?

There's a clear MAYBE clause there. Who's doing the identification. i think it's easier and saner for me to identify a brother in the afterlife by the face and shape he was known on earth. God knows you by your very breathe, hair and even thought, i don't.

But are you in heaven for your brother or for the god? If the god can identify you just alright without the body why does he need the body? He has the spirits just like he wants.

Waiting is inevitable, God is not man who loves microwave shortcuts. He's got all the time in the world literally.

Yeah sure, that's why coming soon has stretched out to 2000 years. LoLz.

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@ triplechoice

Question 1: this thing you say is energy, does it obey any of the laws of energy we use to describe the universe eg law of conservation of energy?

Question 2: why does your listening experience improve when you close your eyes or why do you meditate better in a silent and dark place? Why does your ability to utilise one sense increase the less input your brain is receiving?

Image123:
Jesus Christ is everywhere, i cannot lace His boots.

How can you come back to where you already are? If Jesus is here how can he be coming soon?

Reason why i put the word "fully" in bold. Spirits cannot fully exist without a body, they need a physical body to fully exist on a physical earth/realm. Just like you'd need gills or some mask to survive in water.

Yet an angel was said to have brought food and utensils or done wrestling or touched things and people or even just being seen by people. What exactly do these spirits need a body for when they can do all these things?

The soul is actually a product of the fusion of the spirit and body, i quoted it already in Genesis. When the spirit leaves the body, the soul ceases to exist in the sense of that demarcation of spirit, soul and body.

So for instance where does your memory reside, body, soul or spirit?

Not fully, i don't have all the answers on this one, but the Bible talks about them not fully functional. It's somewhere in Revelations.

Where was the spirit before the human was born?

i don't know about God needing to wait but i/we do know for sure that He has chosen to wait. You don't need your physical bodies after death, perhaps maybe for recognition(MAYBE). We're all getting spiritual bodies whether you are dead or alive as a believer.

Wait, you mean the spirits can't be identified without their bodies?

The god sure likes waiting doesn't he. As long suffering as a stone. LoLz.

KnownUnknown:
Today I learned that God is alcohol.
God is spirit and it has a spiritual body.
So, alcohol(spirit) in a bottle (spiritual body) like a Genie in a lamp.

Children have imaginary friends and we call it cute. Adults have imaginary friends and they call it spirituality. Clowns

Bwahahahahahaha!

Image123:
Jesus is the gatekeeper general, not me. i only know what i know.

Heb 4:12 KJV For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to[b] the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, [/b]and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

While God is a Spirit with a spiritual body like angels and devils have a spiritual body, man was created primarily as a living soul with a physical body. So, although man has spirit, he is not spirit but flesh. And of course, flesh is subject to all the things that flesh is subject to. But man will not remain flesh, a little lower than the angels, but will be like the angels. Spirits cannot fully exist without a body, that's why they love to possess an available body. Human spirits will need a spiritual body to fully enjoy eternity.

Jesus isn't here so I guess you are filling in for him till he allegedly comes back. LoLz.

So devils who already have a spiritual body want to possess another body? Why?

Well what happens to the soul, you've so far only accounted for body and spirit.

So while the human spirits are chilling before getting spiritual bodies they are not conscious or what?

Also why does the god need to wait for the physical bodies to be resurrected why can't he just make new spiritual bodies? BTW what happens is a person's body is completely obliterated how does it get resurrected? You know that very few human remains have survived over the thousands of years of our known history, what happens to them?

Image123:
Lol, the scriptures is not of private interpretation. You know already that i don't have time for fables, i know the Truth and He works.

Ecc 12:7 KJV Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Man is uniquely created tripartite so he has distinct spirit, soul and body. He was given a physical body by God like the passage you already read said. The physical body is what is referred to as "dust" as you know.
At the resurrection, the physical body will be changed to a spiritual body like you have read, in a blink of an eye. It's not a long process, we shall be changed and mortality must put on immortality.

Still haven't answered why the physical body needs to be transformed if the spirit can exist without it.

Also did the soul just disappear?

I know you are gatekeeper general na I already acknowledged that so go on. LoLz.

Image123:
It is changed. i thought you used to read Bible abi na only dance and motivation you dey do for church?

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

No one has spiritual bodies yet until what we call the "rapture".

I don't understand. How are the spirits with god without a spirit body? You mean spirits can exist without a spirit body so why do they need a physical body to be changed into a spirit one?

Nevermind what I used to believe, you are gatekeeper general so your own interpretation is the focus here. LoLz.

Image123:
Oh i see, the resurrection is not a resurrection of physical bodies but of spiritual bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Those new bodies will be eternal.

So which bodies are the ocean being raised up? And how are the spiritual bodies still on earth while the spirit is with the god?

justcool:
Copy my replies to deepsight and wirinet and give someone in your environment and ask the person to find the answers to your questions.

I will not waste time and energy on your assumptions. If you raise any questions about what I actually said then I might clarify, otherwise I won’t.

LoLz! What assumption again? I had already discarded that assumption since you said it wasn't what you said. What is so hard in copying and pasting where you think you answered the question and provided the evidence? Why is asking for clarification making you so defensive as if I insulted you or something. Geez. LMAO!

Image123:
i'm not sure of what exactly you refer to, can you be more specific with the verse or passage?

So there's not going to be a resurrection of dead believers when Jesus supposedly comes back? The great judgement day will not be a resurrection of all?

Image123:
When we say "nature of God", we're basing it on what the Bible says/said i suppose, not what the textbook says. i don't think the textbook or wikipedia is where anyone here learned that man was created in the nature/image of God. BTW, man was never created holy but complete, although God is holy.
The image/nature of God that all men possess is that of being tripartite and one. That is made of spirit, soul and body. i am talking/explaining based on the Bible and on God, where the thread/OP is arguing from, not based on your laboratory findings. Man as a being is spirit, soul and body and yet one being. Secondly, man is "immortal" unlike other living things created on earth in the sense that we have "spirit". Spirits don't die, spirit is from God, God's breathe. Same goes for devils, angels and other spirits, they are gods in a form. While our physical bodies die, our spirits actually don't die but return to God Who will ultimately send them to their final destinations in due time.
i am not sure that i expect you or most readers to understand this, but it's actually the answer to your question.

i didn't say anything related to the bold.

If the god is sending human spirits to their final destination why does he need to resurrect their bodies?

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/church-group-wound-up-in-court

I commend the UK Govt for holding folk like these feet to the fire, that you are a charity shouldn't be excuse to do anyhow. I wish we had such oversight over here.

justcool:
Please calmly read comment again, and also my reply to wirinet.
I have answered these questions and I won’t repeat them again.

Thanks

Your answers to wirinet do not answer my question which again is how did man interfere with the lion, a carnivore and what is the evidence of this interference. Your answers to wirinet don't clarify how the lion's carnivore nature has been affected nor does it contain evidence for such an interference.

Abusadiq01:
I also thought it was 10, bt let's assume u are bako, if someone say u are twice as old as Ur were five years ago, does that means u are 10 years old? No! U can be 18 years now, bt five years ago, u were 18-5=13years old

His mother was 6 x as old as he was 5yrs ago so if the mother was 30 then he was 5.