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petra1:
No need to throw insults at me. Present your case and back it up

Presented and backed up. Waiting for you to do same.

DeepSight:
I hope you are not doing with pain what Lawrence Krauss did with nothingness. Namely defining it as something else entirely and then developing your answers on the basis of that redefinition. Because I suppose that you, as a human understands that pain hurts. That its something you feel. The question is if you believe a machine can have the feeling of pain. Can it feel hurt, and feel pain, as we understand pain to be.

Any one can write a code and label it "pain" such that a robot can see that code and scream "yikes" or even say "oh I feel pain." You know very well, I trust, that such interpretation of any given signal is not the same thing as actually feeling pain.

I also added a bit to my last post - I said -

In short, does your answer take into consideration the distinction between the appearance of pain and actual pain? Because there are already robots that can simulate feelings of every kind - even read a human's feelings and respond appropriately. This is however altogether different from the machine actually having feelings of its own - or feeling pain. So how do you distinguish these, and how do they factor into your answer. Also you didnt really say anything about emotional pain which I mentioned.

I dunno how mean with reference to Krauss but I defined pain as interpretation of "hypersignals" recorded by an organism of adverse events. It is not merely seeing something labelled pain and saying yikes. The signals themselves are transmitting what you call pain. I went for a nerve conduction test and during the test they pass some sort of signal through your exposed skin. The very same signals that you are interpreting as mild tingling one moment become intense pain the next, why? Intensity which is why I use "hypersignal" to describe it. Another example is sound, the same sound that you find pleasant can be made very unpleasant by raising the intensity. A machine can be made to interpret signal intensity as pain same way a human interprets signal intensity as pain. There'd be no functional difference to the one experiencing it.

DeepSight:
Beautiful! - very very close to exactly how I see it! - Save that infinite real time is not nothing either!

But you reject the idea that the universe is expanding into what is undefined.

Lemme ask you is darkness nothing?

TammieJo:
We seem well-adapted for the short run, but I'm not so sure about the long run.

Fortunately and unfortunately we are no longer merely subject to natural evolution, we have began to take a hand in our own evolution. Aside from extinction level events I doubt the human race will go quietly.

angelfallz:
Did you not ask me how to reject text messages?

Oh I am sorry I thought you were actually talking to me. I apologise.

But you didn't reject the text message, you replied to it which of course can lead to further conversation. Or do you mean to block the person because rejecting a text message is not possible.

DeepSight:
How would you distinguish between the mere appearance of such hypersignals on your monitor and the machine actually feeling what we understand as pain.

Signal measurement can be divorced from their actual effects. For instance the strength of signal reaching your device can be measured without knowing the actual content the signals are carrying. The signals reaching your device are interpreted by your device to output the words you see now. Similarly it would be possible to see the "hypersignals" on a monitor but it would take the machine's processing block to interpret the signals as pain.

DeepSight:
Good question and the answer I believe is that such a field is purely intangible and can only be expressed in the physical realm through physical means. Physical expression being just one of virtually infinite forms of expression conceivable to it.

Also why would this droplet in an infinite field want to pass through the arduous and risky process called birth? And the process to even get to that point is so random you essentially don't know what you'll get until the formation of a physical body is underway. Isn’t that just too haphazard a process for something that purportedly emanates from a field of infinite possibilities?

BTW at what point does human foetus get a mind, immediately when the zygote starts dividing?

DeepSight:
Diridiri, let me ask you this. Do you think it is theoretically possible to create a machine that feels pain. I trust you to dwell carefully on this question. Try also not to be clouded by your default perspective thus far.

In this I would further ask you to answer the question with respect to -

1. Physical pain and
2. Emotional pain.

Thank you.

Yes, I think it would be possible though for ethical reasons I would hope it will be a very limited sort of pain.

Pain is basically parts of the organism recording adverse events which are translated to "hypersignals" which we interpret as pain. A machine could be made to feel pain in the same manner, "hypersignals" the machine processing block will interpret as pain. But as I said this would be very questionable ethically because having the ability to do it doesn't mean we should or if at all necessary be very limited in capacity.

angelfallz:
Just reply, bros I am not interested don't send me such messages again or I would report you!!

Report me for asking you a question? Are you a comedian? LoLz.

lalasticlala:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReemPLgPcjE

West Ham ace Kurt Zouma filmed KICKING and slapping his pet cat in horrific video.

Apology video in 10,9,8,7,6,5,...

I think it is because most god and demigod myths are based on archetypes so the general idea in one will be seen in others.

angelfallz:
My point is that it wrong for the man to be punished for flirting or sexting in the event that the lady in question did not reject it.

My point is that, feminism has succeeded in making destroying the relationship between men and women, especially in the west.

The CNN person why was he the only person to resign, why didn't the female staff resign? Look it is just stupid.

How do you reject a text message? LoL

petra1:
They deceived you .So Was the curved flattened? They said it'd just for 2 weeek



But we know it's based on false presence to control the world . Destroy economy and come up with a new normal . We still dey here .

Can you show where any government held itself up as a prophet? Show me where any government said they were certain the lockdowns would only last for 2 weeks.

Secondly the church didn't call lockdown anticbrist . . The mandatory useless vaccine is what is initiating the antichrist . Not lockdown

LoLz. More evidence that you are nothing but a liar. Thank Andromeda for the Internet never forgets.

petra1:
I didn’t mention coronal . Lockdown is Antichrist

Your very own words prove you a liar. Bwahahahahaha!

Steep:
The answer is Kingdom investment!


Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

There are two things that will happen to all our earthly investment, either they leave us or we leave them behind.

Any investment that is not kingdom focused is a complete waste!
Money, degrees, family, Time, properties etc if they are not for the increase and expansion for the kingdom then, they are all useless and a waste of living.
Solomon said all of man's labour under the sun is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

The early Christians will sell their possessions for the kingdom.

Investing in the Kingdom has its benefit both here on earth and in eternity.




In summary, all our actions, goals etc should always be kingdom centered.

This is how they get people to help them build their kingdoms while the so called god is giving unknown individual knock on the head. SMH. LoLz.

Vollon234:
I'm in my 4th year in the university. There is this girl I loved. We had sex a couple times, exchanged "I love you" and all that romantic stuff, but when I asked her out she claimed she didn't want a relationship, that she isn't in the right place emotionally. I asked about the sex and she said she doesn't want sex with me anymore because emotions get involved and she just wants to be single for now and only have sex when she is ready to have a boyfriend. I respected her choice and told her I'm okay. I moved on and my feelings for her started to drop. I began seeing someone else that I'm now serious with.

Two days ago the former girl called me in the middle of the night and I ignored. The next day she did the same thing. Calling in the middle of the night. This time I had the new girl sleeping over. I couldn't pick her call. Next day she called me and I didn't pick cos I was busy. Today I decided to call her and she immediately started complaining about me ignoring her and why I didn't call back. I apologized and said I was busy. Next thing she says she is moving to my lodge that she's tired of her own lodge. She had even spoken to the landlord and make plans to pay rent.

I find this very annoying. Her staying in my lodge makes things very weird. I don't love her anymore but I still feel something for her and we have a sexual history together. I can't be able to have a girlfriend comfortably with her around. I'm thinking of talking to my landlord to decline her request. There are lots of good lodges around school why my lodge? It's not like anything is wrong with her lodge. Girls sef.

Why is she telling you and why do you care? Both of you are acting odd.

Ugaboy:
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I think only the last pix made much impact, the others are almost unintelligible from a visual standpoint.

DeepSight:
Fair enough, pardon me - I did feel though, that a number of the factors you mentioned traced back to genetics and also that at least one of the factors was cancelled out by what I said about differences being noted from infancy - virtually prior to any possible "experience" of the world or any kind of "nurture."

Overall - this is not a tangent I would like to dwell too much on, it was just a passing thought.

What type of differences are you referring to?

Sterope:
Isn't that more of a Ghanaian definition than Oyinbo one? They are the one that use fufu at the end of sins of their swallow.

Not sure about that but I normal hear Americans and the British call any swallow a fufu.

WoundedLamb:
But I never said I had any issue with OP's name, if you read my first post, you'd see I clearly explained to the first guy why the name isn't really an issue since new food names are usually borrowed from pre-existing ones.

I'm particularly referring to your post. I don't think calling up an article writing by a white man to support a discussion about African food names is ideal regardless of where one is. A French man wouldn't change his food name because he's in Africa. So if they get it wrong, we correct them; not the other way round. I am in the so-called western world myself, I've never really lived in Africa but I know it's up to us as Africans to define our stuff.

You misunderstand. I attached the article so that it is clear what I mean, it is not to insist that the Western perception is correct.

DeepSight:
This is a bookish answer which borders on the deliberately generalistic in order to avoid a very specific point. With identical twins, you have a monozygotic situation where a single sperm fertilizes a single egg which then splits to form two babies. It will be painfully hard to argue that DNA accounts for radical personality differences in these kind of babies, dont you think? Even if one agrees that they may imbibe different aspects of the same DNA - whatever that means - we surely must reasonably say that such will be way too infinitesimal to form solid basis for radical differences.

Agreed, they can have different DNA - due to cell splitting, but very marginally so. Using this as a basis for radical personality differences rests on shaky ground.

I mentioned several factors and you are latching on to 1 when I said it not a single factor but the combination. I dunno what you want me to say again.

WoundedLamb:
I see.

But working with what the western world calls our food is not ideal. Thier nomenclature shouldn't even play a role when two locals are chatting about food names. I mean, I don't think we as Nigerians need to pull up articles written by the western world to define our food. They can call it whatever they want to call it, we know our food.

But the OP is in a Western Society so one should see where she's coming from.

DeepSight:
Well as you already know, I lean towards the idea that the "unknown" part is largely accounted for by an indwelling spirit.



As to the genetic part of this, note my choice of identical twins as an example - and further note that I said "radical" differences in personalities. Using my brothers as an example, the variation in actual information received will be too minor to account for radical differences, especially since such differences were observed even before they could speak.

Identical twins can have widely varying proclivities and aversions, that they are identical doesn't mean they DNA is exactly the same. Taken individual none of the factors will alone be responsible for the wide variance, it is the combination of all these factors that leads to the wide variance.

DeepSight:
Small question which leaps to mind, for LordReed and Gang (Diridiri, Tamaratonye1) -

What do you think accounts for the sometimes radically different personalities of siblings who may have grown up together and thus received virtually identical sets of experiences and "nurture."

To bring this question into greater lucidity, presuppose identical twins raised together and who, like my own younger brothers, do everything together from infancy up into their present forties.

Some things known and unknown. The unknown part is clearly something we can't talk about since we don't know it yet. The known ones would be such as the structure of the brain, foundational formation of the personality construct, variation in actual information received by the individuals, genetic predispositions with regards to proclivities and aversions, variation in endocrinology, etc. I don't think I can exhaustively list all the things that would make them turn out to be different individuals.

diridiri:
I consider myself a materialist, and I would say that the reverse applies to me: It was in my deep musings and long periods of inner exploration that I came to the conclusions that I hold now.
Of the more conspicuous issues inherent to a non-materialistic perspective is it's dependence on the existence of something which, by its very nature, is immune to inspection (for if it were not, the question of the self would be trivial, wouldn't it?). It's a tempting angle to look at things from, but is too convenient an answer to such a difficult question - too convenient for myself, anyhow.

The self, as it appears to me, is an algorithm build to repair the gaps formed by our memories and our capacity for inner examination. It's most critical function then is to create a consistent "being" - comprised of our thoughts, feelings, actions, reactions and relationships. Functionally this makes sense: most mental operations executed by the brain are sequential, and the output generated by them depends heavily on the output generated at a previous iteration. Our reactions to experiences depend heavily on our previous reactions to similar experiences, and our personalities are constructed by our experiences and our reactions to said experiences, which are also strongly correlated to our personalities at the time. For a self-feeding algorithm such as this to function properly, we must consistently perceive ourselves in one single stream of consciousness, so as to avoid mental confusion.

I am often baffled by the perspectives of those who prescribe to a dualistic outlook of the self. Given the numerous cases of the physical configuration of the brain having direct, predictable effects on one's perception of the self, one would think that the dualistic perspective would have been largely abandoned by now.

Gosh I wish I had the fluency to so eloquently state my positions. You sir/madam/(insert your preferred appellation) are awesome. Your words conjure in one post far more than I could muster in several.

Promisecinho12:
I met the pretty lady few years ago and we were cool with each other. I was the first man in her life but distance became a barrier in our relationship. She later got married and now she has two lovely kids.

Whenever she visits her parents, she always wants to visit me too but I don't usually allow her to enter the room with me cause am scared that okafors law may work on me

Recently I told her to stop visiting me that she is married and I don't fancy her visiting me and she called me all sort of names pls I don't know if I did something wrong for telling her not to visit me again.

Might be about how you did it or the exact words you used but you did the right thing.

HonestFriend:
Asking a lady at your workplace out is flirting to u?

I can only see as flirting if u re married n still in marriage.. But outside that. Its a normal thing for a single man.

Asking a lady for a relationship while you guys are in the office is inappropriate. Ask the lady out to lunch or a date then there you can start doing your kurukere moves. If you are single going about asking your coworkers for relationship while you are in the office, you are not normal.

hupernikao:
Well the cuteness depends on who is looking. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Yeah sure keep up with the ostrich act. LoLz.

PastorMIsBack:
I don't know. I haven't left religion and I still think logically and critically.

A pastor says, "Everybody wear white to Church next Sunday because it's Easter", I question it. What's the rationale behind it before you initiate me into witchcraft
A pastor says, "Bring a hefty offering to Church next week. We will use it to redeem our souls" I question it. I ask if Jesus blood has expired. Why do we need money to redeem our souls?
A pastor says pray stark naked at midnight. I question it. Won't God hear us fully clothed?

These were true scenarios.

I don't follow blindly. I read the Bible for myself.

But I do see where you are coming from. Only dunces would strip naked before the congregation and allow their pastor's to wash and shave their pubic hair

Only dunces would suck their pastor's BJ because he said his semen is holy milk

The things some people do in the name of religion beats me sometimes but we can't all be classified under the same umbrella.

It was a professor, a learned man, an atheist, who gave all his pension/life savings to a money doubler, who ran away. A whole professor

This is one of the reasons I like you, you are quite reasonable even if I don't agree or believe as you do. It is baffling how people loose all sense of proportion in the name of religion.

hupernikao:
Well, you can create the time to look for the thread if you feel much to prove this. I am not in the trade to prove a point that already existed. I don't struggle to accept that you are right even when it's obvious you aren't but for the sake of allowing you not to miss your dinner

I already quoted your exact words from the thread, it's now up to you to quote my exact words from that thread. Don't act the ostrich and think you are cute, you aren't.

angelfallz:
Bros forget that talk. Put man and woman in any environment sparks would fly.

The problem is that feminists have succeeded in labelling innocent flirting with sexual harassment and rape culture.

No, women are waking to fact that they no longer need to tolerate unwanted advances or unwanted touching especially from people in leadership positions. Don't flirt with your coworker in the office is not a hard thing, your libido can wait 8hrs for satisfaction.

HonestFriend:
What do u mean?

You said: "How will a man know when to draw the line" and my question is can you not exercise self control until you leave the office? Why can't your line be outside the office? Why must you flirt in the office?

The practice part is reference to how more people are less willing to tolerate flirty behaviour in a professional setting, if you are having problems with self control this will force you to mind yourself.

Abi o, US Bank managers don't have 2 heads.

walemoney007:
Bank manager in the USA