^^^^no i wasnt looking for a cop out in the sense of it,i fully agree with the assertion that homosexuality pervaded the sub saharan african continent but i just wanted to point out that it was pertinent to note that these accounts were not written from the perspective of an african but a western perspective this is just for a balanced and objective.
secondly i can guarantee to an almost 100% certainty that there are no evidence of homosexuality in the south east,south west and the underlying areas,the only form of sexual deviancy i found was the taking of what will be considered in this day and age very young girls for wife but i will appreciate anything you find.
lastly hope we are all agreed that unprotected sex amongst homosexuals brought the first recorded case of aids in the united states

Juliet94:

@ lucrabasi or wateva. I am not saying the sin of a pastor should be covered or hidden. I agree with the fact that when someone does the wrong thing, such sin should be uncovered.
But wat i am sayin here is that do not publicize wat you are not sure of.
I am not an RCCG member, I am a foursquarian, but I attend the Holy Ghost Service. And i am a living witness.
The person that submitted this topic must be an unbeliever because if such person is a true christian, he/she wouldnt have the gutts to do such.
Will the person also say his sins are not more than the devil's.

if you check the date of the thread it was some years ago,so maybe it was the time before redeemed sorted out the traffic there was a time when everywhere was always blocked with long traffic on the road but the guy was saying some stuffs that doesnt make sense i agree.the main body of my comment was what you said in the first two lines so i guess we r both agreed on that

OH OK SEEN HAD NO IDEA im giving your steak recipe a try this weekend will get back to you on the result lol

lmao ojukoroju stealing from dimeji bankole efcc have not done anything is it a sitting governor who has immunity or tinubu the life wire of acn and jonathan's achiles heel they will probe ;d

@inked_nerd
from what i have read of your google books links and some research i stand corrected and totally agree on your first assertions however i must point out that what has stood out clearly in all the sources you have outlined and the ones i have checked is that these events records were mainly written by the colonialists,secondly it was mainly concentrated in the central part,northern part and southern part of africa the only records of nigeria that i found were amongst the hausas. i stand corrected if you find anything contrary

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/africa_pre,2.html

pleep:

^^^But inked nerd seeing as 1.9 out of 2 africans has Aids, and 369 trillion Africans die of Aids every minute wouldn't you say that homosexuality can be exceptionaly distructive in Africa?

The intolerance of homosexuality also lowers the incidence of homsexually behaviors. It has been proven that homosexuality facilitates the spread if HIV.
That is why homophobia is good in the African context.

These Gay activists in Europe who try and spread gay culture around the globe don't take into account the fact that some societies have not developed to that point yet. And it does more harm than good

i agree with this assertion,the fact of the matter is that many scientists and research bodies have tried to be politically correct that is why a particular demographic are not being credited with the spread of hiv the first cases of aids amongst humans were found in the united states in 1980/81 and it was definitely amongst the gay community.
the strain of hiv1 that originated from western africa predominantly from chimpanzees,the africans reportedly got infected either by the blood of infected chimpanzees mixing with their wounds or the eating of the infected chimpanzee meat.

even though i am quoting somebook sources, i must however add from experience that books and their authors can be subjective on issues so if one isnt careful it might lead to an erroneous or wrong conclusion.
you can get any outcome concerning any issue you want on google books as long as you know what you are looking for the following are some sources proving your assertion

http://books.google.com/books?id=nsh48WKIbhQC&pg=PA314&dq=origins+of++the+first+cases+of+hiv+amongst+humans&hl=en&ei=3J3pTbC-LYiVswaclYzoCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

in the next book you can see i carefully phrased my search and it gave me what i wanted lol
http://books.google.com/books?id=o3QM_5l5f9cC&pg=PA24&dq=did+origins+of++the+first+cases+of+hiv+amongst+humans+come+from+gay&hl=en&ei=aKDpTeWtBs_EsgbIsq3nCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ#


this book actually asserts that the spread of hiv was predominantly amongst the gay comunity

http://books.google.com/books?id=j_eu5Yhrfk0C&pg=RA1-PA1981-IA8&dq=did+origins+of++the+first+cases+of+hiv+amongst+humans+come+from+gay&hl=en&ei=aKDpTeWtBs_EsgbIsq3nCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=W5AXXvJIdGAC&pg=PA345&dq=did+origins+of++the+first+cases+of+hiv+amongst+humans+come+from+gay&hl=en&ei=aKDpTeWtBs_EsgbIsq3nCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

theres hope yet,thank GOD we still have people who are not innately and irritatingly negative about everything nigerian

^^^this is an absurd comment how can okorocha freeze the state accounts before being sworn in,all he did if i recollect was to advice the banks not to loan the state additional funds as the implication is that he might not honour them when is sworn in.
why dont we learn to acknowledge positive stuffs instead of reading a gremlin in every single action for pete's sake, na wah o negativity all around

your bum looks phat in that!
for a white chick that could kill her
for a black chick, complement

i wont lie i was a late bloomer as well untill j.s.s three long vacation when my brothers gave me enuff liver and i turned to another thing by the end of the long vac
@op
one thing that worked for me is i dont think about it,you see a girl you like dont give your heart the chance to fail just get in there and just say the first cool thing that comes to mind like hi how r you doing or something and the rest ll flow naturally

personally,i am under no illusions that fashola tinubu or any of the present crop of politicians are saints, right now as things are constituted the best we can hope for and are enjoying is for elected officials to do the right thing which they are voted in for.tinubu could have done worse and foisted an akala on lagos state both pdp,acn,labour ,cpc are all criminals and none of them is innocent.
i can bet my plate of rice that whoever unearthed all these allegations including the posters are like criminals fighting each other for the spoils of the loot

kcjazz:

This thread will soon be flooded by "where is he going to get the money?" folks

they are here already,ever present,
@post
again a positive sign of better things to come he is not only talking but proactively backing it with action.one thing that i am pleased about with the advent of the new "action governors" is the focus on education and other social welfare. moreover the seeming race amongst all these governors like fashola owelle rochas,aregbesola,fayemi to execute all these laudable projects can only translate to good governance and fruits of democracy at last

@busy_body
been a while i saw your break light on nland hope everything is fine o,before we send search party to search the lenght and breadth of dagenham

rhymz:

exactly my points too. They have not shown any reason besides the gists the little demons dancing alanta on their shoulders is whispering to them in paranoia.
Imagine some people arguing like they are more privy to classified info on the state than Okorocha the state governor.
Reading through Jason's very petty post is enough to conclude these people are just here for straw-man arguments than for any intelligent debate.
His arguments have no substance just "ifs" and "but", you know somebody finding a reason to discredit something.
The other one is a loose canone. . .lol. .her arguments are junk argument dont take that one seriously jare. . She already has a reputation for arguing like a toad. . TeteHeheh.

LOL at the bolded and
LMAO at the last 2 lines

jason123:

Guy, you simply have to say you disagree with me. It has nothing to do with Igbo or Yoruba state. I said the same thing about Amosun ( Ogun state governor). Those are my views on this free education thing that both Governors (Rochas and Amosun) are feeding us with. To me, I think it is not sustainable in the long run.

pray do tell sire,in which way is it not sustainable?it would seem as if it has not worked in any part of nigeria before now

jason123:

For free education to be effective, you need a long term plan, good foresight, and clear data about your people. Its not only about announcing free education and pumping money into the institution.

and can you really state with all certainty that  okorocha doesnt have a long term plan,foresight and clear data ?

jason123:

For example, in the 50's and 60's, Azikwe tried the same thing (free education) in the East, but it did not last for a MONTH. Not that the East did not have the money to finance it but there was no planning, they just hurriedly did it and it failed.

well did you stop to think the dynamics during the time of azikwe is totally different from the present time? and its really rally absurd you seem to have concluded that the man somehow caqme up with the free education simply as a media sounbite

jason123:

Now, do they have any plan? Do they have a credible state data??

he obviously does for him to make free education the cornerstone of his government

jason123:

Secondly, people that are shouting this free education thing usually compare Azikwe's and Awo's era to this era. During those era, corruption and embezzlement was at its minimal. Right now, if you pump money this, most of the allocation will simply be siphoned and little or nothing will get to where it is actually needed. Now, do these states have enough revenue to take this into account??

All in all, if it's possible for them to achieve it, then good luck. But the above is my worry.

there was corruption during the time of awolowo and azikwe,apart from the fact that this is not a tenable reason for okorocha's not to work,he is getting much more money for less people than awolowo and azikwe were getting.
besides during the western eastern region hope you realise that the university benefitted from the free education as well ,besides this there was nothing like the european union education grants,united nations education grants i.m.f educational soft loans e.t.c which are available to third world governments these days.
THE STATE DOES NOT NEED TO HAVE REVENUE IN HIS ACCOUNT TO GET THE NEEDED FUNDS!!!!
they will still be getting their monthly allocation
they are still good for syndicated loans because the state itself is enough of a collateral or why did you think bankole was able to raise a massive amount of loan without any collateral?
internally generated revenue
international education grants

@rhymz
your surmission couldnt be more on point,moreover education is one of those peculiar sectors that does not need a whole lot of overhead once salaries are paid on time.teaching aids,equipments to be used in the state owned and funded schools dont need to be purchased again once it has been done and could be used multiple times .

it is instructive to note than indigene of imo state have absolutely no problem with the man's pronouncement,so i am at a loss why people keep on going about it,if you notice all through their comments they have not shown any reasonable reasons for their attack other than the fact that the man seemed to be in a haste to declare free education

^^^^as far as i am concerned and as far as the people of imo state are concerned owelle rochas okorocha is the choice they made.even though some so called supposedly enlightened diasporeans might have come to the conclusion that they hold the monopoly to wisdom in governance,hope you realise that there are politically sophisticated,enlightened and educated citizens in imo state and your knowledge is only limited to what you know.

therefore before they voted for the man,they had read through his manifestoes and have the implicit belief in him that he will deliver on his electoral promises,secondly it will be incredibly naive and childish of you to think the man just woke up one day got a pen and a piece of paper and started writing his electoral promise of free education without consulting with professionals and stake holders.

it is hillarious and completely absurd for anyone to just wake up and conclude without seeing the blue print of the man's manifesto that he must be making excuses

the purpose of giving up his salary is not to alleviate the financial pressures on his free education as such but seen as a symbolic gesture showing his empathy and where his priorities lay there are numerous examples of western leaders,councillors who have done this including the united kingdom,the british residents must be naive and gullible to praise such leaders then, oh dear.

.even sycophants,contractors friends e.t.c now know that to get on his good side they have to show some goodwill towards free education

the state does not operate like a normal run of the mill business,any state in nigeria even with an empty treasury can borrow against the name and collateral of the state that is why bonds are issued to the general public to buy.
lagos state under tinubu's federal allocation was witheld by obasanjo,that didnt stop banks lending them money neither did it stop the state internally generating revenue and undertaking a number of infrastructural projects which fashola is building up on.

organisations such as the united nations ,the european union,imf and other commissions and councills set up by western governments are also there to liase directly with governments to give grants and soft loans for educational developement and health.

so if anyone should pull out the log out of their rear orifice before tending to the speck of wood in a state where they have made thier choice then look long and hard in the mirror.

nigeria is learning from its past mistakes and are getting politically savvy as the days go by,we have governors who have gone back to days of people oriented and populist manifestoes of the awolowos,jakandes amongst several great nigerians in the south east and the north, updating and introducing them to their states if it can work more than 20/30 years ago then it certainly can work now.

i guess you had convenient amnesia when i mentioned that awolowo introduced free education even with less money than rochas could raise in the western region and suceeded immensely LMAO!

not sure if this counts but here goes, last year november air france flight to manchester via charles de gaulle, missed check in and the only remaining flight check in was closing in like 10 minutes
this dodgy man comes up to me and was helping me to run around, air france office and i had to shell out $100 i didnt plan on spending eventually the man that i though was helping demanded for £40 i ended up parting with 2,500 naira for unsolicited help
the several colours of uniforms giving me grief especially one fat immigration officer who seem to be specially interested in me and singled me out for special searching thankfully i got on the last flight got to france and i forgot my bb in the toilet luckily i realised just in time and got it back
slept for 2 days straight when i got home

^^^^unfortunately most nigerian graduates dont agree, everyone is waiting for a blue collar job even though the universities are churning out more graduates than jobs available or being created.
@poster
i will definitely allow my child/children to practise any of these vocations if they really have a passion for it and the reason is because i know that they wont be queuing up and going from interview to interview

shame i have not met any nlander that i know of but then again im not that close with most only a few in fact there are some that i wonder what they will be like in real life>>>shudders

^^^^pls show me where in the bible you have gotten your assertions from

anyone who is not party to voting the man rochas into office have no moral right to castigate him over his pronouncements, people are sitting down somewhere in a corner of the western world when citizens of imo state were struggling against the odds to vote their desired governor in.the man after being elected has promised the people who voted him in that he was forfeiting his salary and offering free education, as long as his people applaud this and are ready to give him the benefit of doubt then it behoves anyone crying more than the bereaved to to accept the choice of the people of imo state.

the man's antecedents as a philantropist and the president of the red cross e.t.c is not in doubt

awolowo has achieved the feat of free education in the whole of the western region how much more a state,and this is with less allocation than rochas has available inflation taken into account

afam4eva:

So, are you saying that free education is not possible in Nigeria? How did Awolowo happen to achieve it.

thanks a million for this,that is why i said some of us diasporeans are suffering from chronic disconnect from reality

violent:

^^ you fit poo for bodi if you want, I aint bothered!

you seem to be the one hot and bothered under your collar about it,i have successively and consistently stood on my point and luckily "THE PEOPLE OF IMO STATE" WHO ACTUALLY VOTED THE MAN IN"seem to have similar mindset as mine.

^^^even though i have consistently fought the corner of pastor adeboye all through this thread,your assertion is totally wrong where in the bible were you told not to judge a man of GOD even if they are wrong?
so that means they are allowed to do anything even murder and kill,steal without being brougt to account??

^^^^i stand corrected although i am still yet to read through all the sources yet, wish majority of nlanders replied comments devoid of insults sticking to evidence as above.
however i am sticking my neck out and definitely saying there is absolutely no history of homosexualism in nigerian history pre colonial
i ll be back to make a proper comment on the topic

efisher:

Those criticizing him should also criticize this man:

Japanese Prime Minister Gives Up Salary Until After The Nuclear Crisis

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-10/world/japan.nuclear_1_nuclear-plant-nuclear-crisis-energy-policy?_s=PM:WORLD

thank you very much o,im sure the japanese prime minister must be looting the country to have given up his salary in some people's mindset

kcjazz:

This your comment is funny. Does Mayor of New York Micheal Bloomberg receive a salary as New York mayor?

As an Imo State indigene, the issue is not even Rochas, it is where we have being and how things have happened since 1999. Rochas is a philanthropist but first a successful business man with businesses in Imo State so we are not talking of some unknown fellow showing up. He didn't have to promise free education to win election, he could have won free & fair. I don't even feel thats a big deal because of the high literacy rates in Imo.

Every leader is different, Sanusi is different from Fashola, no two folks are the same. Rochas is different in his approach, he is not giving alms and has never promised that. If Jigawa State with less than half GDP of Imo State plus more population will offer free education to its girls then why is free education for Imo seen as a philanthropic gesture?

Only issue is we can't see the future but all we can do is keep our government honest. There are times when you need symbols to show your intentions, (engagement ring ) this move is a symbol and won't hold water if he fails to achieve.

@the bolded
this is how you know those who hail from the state in question and diasporeans who are suffering a disconnect from the reality

houvest:

Ok. So the gates of heaven (celeste) is now open to all Ndigbo?

you bet at least no tribalism in C AND S

@op
its the cherubim and seraphim moement not celestial
igbo kwenu!!its your year o first SGF NOW C AND S

rhymz:

Some people just like to seeth with subtle tribalism and malevolence sha,
The OP was only giving his version of what he heard the governor say, there is no official report on that. If you know Rochas very well you will understand that he is a people oriented person, he is very savvy with words and passionate with his new job.
He understands very well the people's commitment to his emergence as the governor, Imo state people remain the most expectant people since the end of the elections, he knows there is no room for excuses. Already, there is deadlock at the state assembly over attempts to thwart plans to overturn those die-minute spiteful decisions made by Ohakim to cause problems for the new government.
Unlike many states, Imolites are very educated and understand clearly what is it they expect from Rochas, they are realistic with their expectations and do not expect him to do the impossible.
One of the things Rochas has going for him is his seriousness to want to do somthing and his understanding of the problems of Imo state.
Nobody is expecting him to embark on say, Eko atlantic kind of project for now until the pressing problems of Imolites are first attended to. He is realistic and very media savvy too(which is a plus anyway) plus he is not a joker like some people want to make us believe by all means. I am from Imo state and at present, in Owerri, I can tell you there is an overwhelming sense of duty and expected performance in the air, everyone has their ears to the radio, newspapers and TV. This is not a story of mere talks and 3D drawing, this guy is busy as hell meeting Imo state stakeholders and making plans to start putting things on ground. Already, there is delegation(my Uncle inclusive- a retired MD with FIRS by the way) with a proposal on how to increase the state's IGR. A poster made reference to security votes, well that already has been pledged to the the free education program. Enough said, people should afford the man the benefits of the doubt, wait and see his actions before rushing to condemn. If Fashola can enjoy thesame praise and worship for both work done and about to be done, I see no reason why Rochas should not get his dues.

the funny thing is that if you check the whole comments on the thread from top to buttom you probably might not find a single person from imo state,yet they know what is good for the state.the voting population of imo state had a choice of several aspirants but overwhelmingly voted for the man they though will lead them to their eldorado who are we as individuals to cast aspersions on their choice

im a huge fan of steak,but im ashamed i didnt know this much about it i just grab what takes my fancy on the pre packaged shelf and out of the supermarkt i ill make sure i use this tips this weekend when i ll try it out dont know about using a syringe on food going into my mouth though

Inked_Nerd:


Homosexuality has existed within the continent of African even before the coming of the white man. All this talk about the white man bringing homosexuality to the African people is a load of crap. As a whole, homosexuality is nothing new. The only thing that has been created is this overt disdain of homosexuals. Homophobia is what is spreading like wildfire, not homosexuality. These same missionaries you complain about, is it not their God that you worship? It's easy for you to pick and choose what you consider to be good and bad huh?

would you mind showing proof/evidence of your assertion pls?
im sure you r not asking we believed you without question,cause i dont believe untill i see conclusive proof that is