Naphtali44: This is crazy...u clearly don't know anything about what you just wrote....'oghene' in urhobo is a title to demonstrate the absolute sovereignty of the creator. It means 'lord of the four' as our God is lord of ojuvwu, akpor, erivwin and Ame, which are the four realms of existence. Please don't insult our God. Your ooni is a man and your people are invaders(from songhai) of the ancient oghene kingdom.
Lord of the four kọ, Lord of the flies ni
It wouldn't be the first theory of a title being applied to a God or vice versa. It happens more regularly than you would think
TAO12: This guy is a dullard. You need anything to stay afloat, don’t you?
Samuk’s Reasoning: The name “Oghene” features in Edo mythology, hence “Oghene” is not real.
My Reply: The name “Benin”/“Ubini” features in Edo myth, hence “Ubini”/“Benin” is a fictional place that does not exist.
“Ogiso” feature in Edo mythology, hence there was no Ogiso monarchy prior to the present Oba dynasty.
You are a disgrace, you actually deserve a medal for foolishness. ——————
See the first screenshot for your own Bini dictionary as per the meaning of ọghẹnẹ/ɔɣɛnɛ (using diacritic symbols/IPA symbols).
Reference: H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Souther Nigeria.
Peace!
To add to the word "Ọghẹnẹ"
In southeastern Yoruba dialects it is "Ọghọnẹ" or "ɔɣɔnɛ". For example that is what the Ọ̀ọni of Ifẹ̀ is called in Ilaje In standard Yoruba it is properly "Ọ̀wọni". You will find it written as such in older references Break it down to its etymological origin and it is "Ọ̀wọ̀ ẹni".. Same thing in those SEY dialects "Ọghọnẹ" = "Ọghọ ọnẹ"
Ọ̀wọ̀ ẹni and Ọghọ ọnẹ could best be translated as "exalted one" or "respected one"
"oghene" as Edoid people of Bini and Urhobo call it, is safely a Yoruboid input.
It goes to show you what kind of respect and exaltation the Ooni received in this part of the world, when his title became used by urhobo to refer to God
OneNigerian: There was no time when it was mentioned in early Bini history that they were initiated or influenced by Ile Ife. In reality Ile Ife did not even exist as a village in the time of Sacred Eweka the first warrior god king of Bini . The British destroyed a capital of an empire and realised that the people of that empire survived their genocide and have many little kingdoms and chiefdoms that originated from Bini and the Bini would live in them forever so they distorted reality by saying an advanced ancient civilisation came from a very young one. But they stole over 1.5 million Bini art works and bronzes they couldn’t destroy because they were so advanced that the ancestors of white people lacked the knowledge and skills to make them. They are all hidden in museum votes. They document the History of Bini and everyone of them tells a story. The closets they came to mentioning the Yoruba would be that part of Yoruba land belongs to the Bini empire including their kings like the Deji of Akure. It’s these people the OYIBO’s used to destroy Bini history but they failed 100 percent. Just because you ignorant people talk rubbish on here does not make it history. Go write a book about it and see how the credibility of that book would be tarnished in minutes as a work of fiction. Fiction (what you guys talk here about Bini) is different from historical facts and stop quoting the last 300 years history. The current Bini Oba is a direct descendant of a family that has ruled Bini since before Jesus Christ was born. And his family is the second dynasty of Bini which even goes back before the days when the people that became Binis were ruled in Greek style democracy. That is an advanced political system of government by a United people who has an identity even before Eweka decided to kick all their butts and forced their evolution into an empire for easier administration. How old is Ile Ife and the Yorubas and at what point did the Yoruba reach a cultural evolution whereby they had a traditional political identity? After Oduduwa who was never a Yoruba Nan but an Arab or Bini man according to your history? So how can Oduduwa and his bloodline take civilisation back to the very civilisation that produced in him the first place? Given the fact that he became the paramount or dominant king of Yoruba land having dominion over Yoruba land and the Yoruba people and giving his children or grandchildren crowns at will to go and rule over the Yorubas who were way too weak militarily to challenge or disobey him. This was simply because they Yorubas were not that advanced before he came to then with some sort of army apparently. Only Bini women favoured by their Oba can have an army large enough to be given to their son as a gift can afford that in that time line. It takes wealth and great resources to just provide for such a military even today let alone just gift them to someone. It’s like giving part of the Nigerian army and it’s equipment to someone and saying keep this forever, go and kick butt somewhere else. Live and not die and have dominion. How can you now say that person now came back and brought civilisation to Nigeria? Did your mothers drop you guys on the head as babies? I hope I have put this stupid argument to bed? It’s become irritating at the lack of analytical and logical reasoning or intelligence of people who want to put a stamp on history without thinking about the holes in their story. The Yoruba collective is not half as advanced as bibi. No where in Yoruba land was a city built that was 20 percent as magnificent or as rich as Bini city 500 years ago. Bini was like ancient Egypt or Babylon the great. Only I’m Ghana did we find a ciy like that because they had abs knew the value of gold too. And history says the Gaa people of Ghana were out there to settle the land as a seed for civilisation by Bini. Bini sailed the Atlantic Ocean long before the Yoruba learnt to build cities and it’s why Eko Lagos was built by the Bini empire before some powerful queens used their connection to gift it to their sons as it happened throughout Bini history. The warriors who returned home to the eternal city of Bini are usually tattooed first or needed sons with markings on their body before they depart so the seeds of bastards do not claim the eternal city. If a Yoruba man ever sat on any small Bini kingdom in the ancient times for any reason and his father is not Bini origin he would be killed and sacrificed to the gods of the land as an abomination and that is fact. You idiots do not understand or even have the intellectual capacity to process and understand Bini voodoo traditions let alone see how Bini men would bow and accept a bastard on the ancient sit of their god kings. The Binis still don’t make outsiders chiefs. The Oba give you beads instead. How can a people who still think an outsider should never be made a chief accept one as king? Think idiots, think. Any Igbos or Edo state and delta peoples who know Bini traditions please correct me if I am wrong about these Bini practices I have mentioned. Apologies for insulting people on this platform but when someone’s stupidity stun you like this one is so shocked that you have to come down to the level of children to explain stuffs to them and part with an insult because they are either very lazy in their views or simply biased and stupid.
So much contradictions in one post, I can't even start with the delusions
Which argument have you put to bed? Analytical logical reasoning indeed
First, ife did not exist in the time of eweka but later oduduwa eweka's ancestor who ruled Ife is from Bini civilization.
Bini was practicing Greek democracy before the second dynasty took over but what about the first dynasty abeg una dey ment in that Bini
OneNigerian: Yes brothers, these guys are ignorant as they come. The famous mascot of FESTAC 77 on the old Nigerian currency (haven’t seen a Nigerian currency in over a decade) shows the great Queen of legend Idia of Bini with 16 European ambassadors on head head to symbolise that white men including Portuguese ambassadors bow before the queen of Bini, the wife of a god King and the mother of the next god King. She opened up Bini. She had her own armies and can wage wars at will if she chooses. No Yoruba queen in history, past present or future had such a power or ever will for all time. Bini is not in the same Level or age of the Yoruba nation or anyone of its Kingdom. Britain knew this. It’s why they decided that it must be destroyed and erased from the map so they can colonise the colonies they later had in West Africa. No Yoruba city ever grew to the size of Bini and 500 years ago the Oba of Bini could raise a 1 million men strong army. The collection of Yoruba kingdoms under any are onona kanfo were never half that strong . It’s 100 percent impossible for the Yoruba nation as a collective to invade Bini and rule its Oba let alone tiny Ile ife? Seriously? Bini would have sent an army led by a woman to destroy or colonise it for such an insult. Bini ceded civilisations across west Africa including our neighbouring country republic of Benin named after the land of their ancestors acknowledge their origin as not Yoruba. Yorubas were never strong enough to conquer the armies of Bini women that marched into Yoruba land constantly and captured and enslaved Yoruba men and women selling them as slaves across the Atlantic Ocean in which was an evil thing to do as Bini fought a civil war to end whole sale slavery a thousand years earlier. So this retard saying an idiot from the west quoted the god King the person of an Oba of Bini bowing to an ordinary Ife King must have been dropped on their head as a baby. Go study your history. Bini is s civilisations that can be quoted on the same breath as their ancestors the black ancient Egyptians my direct ancestors.
How much was the population of Bini that one million men could be raised for an army Even today that the population is higher, one million men cannot be raised for an army
The collection of yoruba kingdoms were not half as strong
Will "At" and "tse" means the one who restores? Lol
In the name "Atuwatse" If the Olu of Warri's etymology is correct Uwa as wealth is probably an Edoid input, I always thought it meant "life" "existence" "the world"
obembet: The most prestigious title in the realm of club football has to be the UEFA Champions League (or the European Cup, as it was known before 1992). To be the champions of Europe — football's powerhouse — means to be at the pinnacle of club football.
This elite competition welcomes its 32 participants from across Europe's top leagues and via qualifiers for teams from around the continent. Spanish juggernauts Real Madrid are the most crowned champions. With 13 UEFA Champions League trophies, the La Liga giants have left their competitors far behind.
Serie A side AC Milan stand second with 7 UEFA Champions League trophies under their belt, followed by Bayern Munich (6) and Liverpool (6). While numerous clubs have won the coveted title multiple times, several top clubs have never laid their hands on the trophy.
Surprisingly, the list includes many heavyweights who should've had won the UEFA Champions League already.
Without further ado, here's a look at the
Top 5 clubs that have never won the UEFA Champions League
5 Arsenal
It would be almost impossible for the current generation to believe Arsenal were once among the most feared teams in the world.
Arsene Wenger's Gunners, which included the likes of Robin Van Persie, Sol Campbell, Thierry Henry, Robert Pires and Cesc Fabregas among others, came closest to the title back in 2006. However, they lost against Frank Rijkaard's Barcelona.
Despite failing to win the UEFA Champions League trophy, the north Londoners were regulars in the knock-out stages of the tournament, in contrast to the present scenario.
Despite having been a consistently qualifying team in the tournament until 2017, Arsenal have failed to register a UEFA Champions League triumph till date.
4 Valencia
There is something about Spanish teams and the UEFA Champions League. La Liga sides have dominated the UEFA Champions League more than any other team from Europe's top 5 leagues.
The Champions League trophy has been taken to Spain a total of 18 times as opposed to England's 14, Italy's 12, Germany's 8 and France's 1. However, despite being a formidable side during the late 90s and early 2000s, Valencia is a team that never could grab the title.
Under the leadership of Gaizka Mendieta, The Bats managed to make consecutive finals (1999-00 & 2000-01) appearances. Unfortunately, the Spanish side had to taste defeat on both occasions.
With Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid shuffling for the top three spots, Valencia face heavy competition for a UEFA Champions League qualification spot in La Liga.
3 Atletico Madrid
Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid have had their share of major heartbreaks recently in the UEFA Champions League.
Emerging as one of the superpowers in recent times after being underdogs in Spain's top division, Atletico Madrid have managed to outperform league giants Real Madrid and Barcelona twice in the last decade (2013-14 & 2020-21) to win La Liga.
Under Diego Simeone, the Rojiblancos managed to achieve four European trophies in the form of UEFA Europa League (2) and UEFA Super Cups (2) but failed to kiss the Champions League trophy despite reaching the finals in 2014 and 2016.
Losing to arch-rivals Real Madrid on both occasions made the defeat even more bitter for the club and its fans. The Spanish side also made the final in the 1973-74 edition of the tournament, but lost out on the trophy to Bayern Munich.
Regardless, Atletico Madrid are considered one of the favorites to win the trophy in the near future.
2 Paris Saint-Germain
PSG's emergence into the limelight was preceded by the club's massive signings and recent Ligue 1 domination. PSG have been the winners of the transfer market in recent times. They grabbed Neymar and Mbappe for hefty transfer fees while also roping in Lionel Messi, Sergio Ramos and Gianluigi Donnarumma for free.
The Parisians are housing a bunch of the most talented players in the world of football at the moment. Now, even though that has helped them dominate the domestic league, the same hasn't been emulated in the UEFA Champions League so far.
Despite having started to dominate Ligue 1 since the 2013-14 season, the nine-time French champions have made just one UEFA Champions League final appearance.
In the ongoing summer transfer window, PSG have found two of the most experienced and serial champions of the tournament in Lionel Messi and Sergio Ramos. Let's wait and see if that can take the UEFA Champions League trophy to Paris.
1 Manchester City
No other team has dominated the Premier League in the past decade like Manchester City have. The Sky Blues have brought home a total of 5 Premier League titles within a span of 10 years.
Milking the opportunity of city-rivals Manchester United's downfall, Manchester City is now the Premier League's ultimate powerhouse. The arrival of Pep Guardiola simply boosted their dominance but that was only limited to England.
Barring the 2021 UEFA Champions League final (where they lost against Chelsea), the Cityzens have never crossed the semi-final hurdle. Despite their league domination, Pep's men usually exited the UEFA Champions League in either the Round of 16 or the quarterfinals.
Considering the team's current form and squad depth, Manchester City are tipped to be the leading contenders to win this season's UEFA Champions League. Only time will tell if they uphold that.
No quick rising club has won it. Champions league has shown that you need experienced players, excellent team spirit and amazing tacticians because you face clubs you don't meet twice annually and who play differently at each stage
ArewaNightmare: Finally Finally ODUDUWA NATION noise don die finish after the arrest of IGBOHO this is why it's so best not to trust YARRIBA PEOPLE at once
mumu Because you think oduduwa nation was ever making noise in the first place When you are too silly to know what "raising awareness" means
abouzaid: They went to America to waste our money as usual. Sahara reporters is owned by a Yoruba man who contributed greatly to the enthronement of this APC government. The long going tactics of pitting Yorubas against Igbos in unending internet wars by Hausa Fulani guys working for the Buhari media centre (BMC) is already exposed and no longer working. Southern unity is real .
BornRicch: Who was the father of Oduduwa? Is there any Oduduwa family's in Ife? Yoruba and lie be like bread and egg with small sardine inside. Liars.
I believe this question has been answered many times but you Bini youth like to replay the same thing. It is like pouring water into a basket with you people
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Oduduwa known by many titles including "Olofin Aye" and "Olufe" was first known all over as "Osin-ora" living east of Ilé-Ifẹ̀.
Because of scarce resources and issues with the Iloromu people he moved his people to Idio. Where he set up a new abode His grove can be found in Igbo-Idio and his house is still at Ora Hill
So he has family at Ifẹ̀. Go to the Obadio who represents him. You can't sit down in Bini or wherever and be saying what you don't know about the people in Ife
Asgard73: Tell this your propaganda to those Muslims at Kabul airport and those two humans that dropped from the flying C 17.
As for your Nigeria statistics... that your site is fake.. Only idiots like your Buhari and APC wants sharia .. and they’ve been pushing it
Infact Apc and Buhari are the Africans talibans.. pushing bandits and supporting herdsmens and attacks
Have you heard of any bandit or herdsmen killed by Nigeria army or security..
But bandits and herdsmen kill Nigeria securities and citizens with qualms .. even the army do guide them to battle and reinforce if they’re overwhelmed..
Those are humans pushing same taliban agenda. And Nigerians are supporting the Apc government with eyes wide open. Looking at events without seeing through.
God will help us
There are some who voted for APC and will still vote APC that will cling to a plane if such a frenzy opportunity presented itself in Nigeria.
People want to retain what they believe is their values but they also want to go to a place with better economic opportunities.
BusinessDream: this is where you are making mistake like a typical Southerner. You not even aware that APC as a party is NOW firmly in the hands of Buhari lol...
Why are Southerners so educated but yet so dumb?
Exactly. If it is not southerners and Middle beltans talking like that guy, it is them talking like this one below
inoki247: Who wan read all this Essay ontop 2023 wey neva sure...
But you will read if it is about Regina Daniels or Bigbrother Naija
seunsiju: Since Aregbesola change it from Osun State to State of Osun..... Osun State has been under the stronghold of devils... It's so pathetic that people don't know that there's a strong spiritual reason about that move..... Anyway I need arugba Osun to Bleep i heard those ladies carried blessing
You know the problem with you Christians is that you can't help but be hypocritical. Imagine after accusing people minding their business and harming nobody of being devils, you end with a messed up statement showing how disgusting you are
kayfra: This stupid peice of shit imbecelic thread with deranged "hebrew" posters
lol the madman's brain is on loop. Going over a single post I made over a year ago, over and over again.. The brain don finally knock That post was a knockout
Truthvalue: @macof, it is not the fault of myself, my hairline or my people that you lack basic education. Take it out on yourself and your parents, not on me nor on my people. Know this: I am not here for you to vent your frustrations about your ancestry and lack of education. It is not my fault that I am better than you in any way possible( perhaps it is my fault, for working hard st school)
lol Only a frustrated person talks like this.. Especially on a faceless forum
Truthvalue: 1808 to be precise, now if that date is the same as the date the brazilian slaves started to be dumped on our shores, that I do not know, and I never claimed to know . Yet again your lack of comprehension shows it's self.
Yoruba are certainly not up to 50 million, you guys need to stop inflating your numbers, you are fooling nobody.
Also I would like to see your proof of how many the brazilian slaves ought to be, you are speaking to a mathematician over here. Also if I remember correctly the number of yoruba counted by the british in the colonial era was less than 3 million (I would need to verify to be sure). Nigeria has known a baby boom since then, the high growth of population is a thing which you don't seem to understand.
Here this: it is allowed to talk about a number even if you do not know what that number is, that is a point of mathematics which is taught to children as young as jss1: like when you are solving an equation.
Therefore you don't know what you are talking about when you claim "all yorubas are descended from Brazilian slaves"
You don't know how many Brazilians there were, you don't know how many people the Brazilians met.
In other words, you are just a slowpoke which is typical of all Bini miscreants on this forum. I'm still waiting for any exception, just one Bini person to redeem the pitiful reputation you people have created for yourselves due to inferiority complex
Also, for your information, I never claimed to know the exact number of yoruba slave ancestors which were dumped on our shores, I only said they were massive enough for all yoruba to descend from them. If you want the exact number which is your question, then you need to do the research by yourself because I don't work for you.
You keep calling me names whereas I have not called you any names, is this due to your jealousy of my ancestry, my education, my job, my money, my nationality, my city of residence ? Or is it your way of trying to mask your extremely low self-esteem ?
I also didn't claim that "yoruba didn't exist before the slaves were dumped on our shores", I would need to verify the dates in order to come to a conclusion on that sentence. As I said: yoruba of today are from several unrelated groups of people: dahomians, oyo, brazilian slaves, and some other groups.
You need to work on your comprehension skills.
This is your claim: that you have proven all yorubas are descendants of brazilian slaves. And you keep showing those videos made by one unknown individual as the proof.
See also the screenshot below of what the video is actually saying : which is that the yoruba did not exist until the 19th century Or you are so stupid that you don't comprehend the video you are spamming the whole culture section with?
Truthbeatslies: Also, nobody says those who call themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors. That would be silly, your deliberate lack of comprehension is legendary. What is being proven is that those who call themselves yoruba today are a mixture of several unrelated peoples: dahomians, oyo, brazilian slaves and some other peoples. Given the number of slaves who were dumped on our shores by the europeans, it is fair to say all yoruba descend from slaves. Perhaps there is a small percentage which doesn't.
If you weren't born to be a dullard you would have known that to claim a people numbering over 50 million in West Africa descend from Brazilian returnees of the 19th century, there must be
1. Millions of Brazilian settlers 2. The Brazilians would have outnumbered those they met
But alas, you as is typical of all Binis in this forum lack any intelligence
Calling me uneducated, liar and mentally ill is not name calling?? I can see all the names I thought you call people are actually self descriptions
I'm not sure you even comprehend the video because you are saying one stupid thing, and posting the video while the video is saying another stupid thing. However do well to provide evidence for both what you endorse the video for and the Brazilian slave claim
Stoplying: People, when you make a claim, please follow suit with its proof. Thank you.
Where is the proof of your claims that yoruba people only existed after the overwhelming number of brazilian slaves dumped on the shores
macof: An educated person doesn't need to declare he is educated with each post. Educated buffoon who can't spell "renowned" But writes "reknown"
Your stupid expatiation is just that - stupid - as a result of your lack of proper education. Let me embarrass you.. Why don't you give the number of RETURNEES "dumped" on our shores - as you say it and how they outnumbered everyone else
You have been running away like the bald chicken that you are. Your ancestors must be ashamed
Those thick dreadlocks, flat noses and thick lips are not of white people or Arabs.
They are European descendants and are not of the seed of Abraham. They are Jews by ancient conversion.
Read The 13th Tribe by Arthur Koestler, an Israeli scholar who admits this fact.
There is no such thing as ''the African idea'' of the Supreme Being.
Africa is not mono-religious or mono-cultural.
What is an original - insert ethnicity - ? Is it those who were first called the name of that ethnicity or those who brought the language to where it is spoken and culture to where it is practiced?
I don't think I asked about suggestions of phenotype
But if you say those who speak hebrew today and practice an ancient Hebrew derived culture today are not fit to be called Hebrew then what is the essence of being "Hebrew"?? Although the politics and declaration of ethnic identity is rough in the area, we can point out people that have the land, the language , the culture even genetic studies conclude they have the dna of the ancient Hebrews, so I'm genuinely wondering what makes a people unoriginal despite all this, mixing with foreign populations aside, what exactly is unoriginal here?
Well if you knew that Africa is not mono-religious or mono-cultural why would you think the African idea of the supreme being in question (*Nyambe/Nyame etc) is same as Yahweh? Since you claim the original Hebrews were black as if all black people have the same religious traditions. Also you said you imagine the two words "Yahweh" and "*Nyambe" refering to the same entity, when not only do the people who worship a Nyambe-type deity follow a traceable religious lineage separate from that which Yahweh worshiping Hebrews followed, the two words come from languages of no relatedness. Yahweh being a Hebrew word and Nyambe being a reconstructed Proto-Niger-Congo word
Stoplying: As I stand here in front of the greatest monument of mankind, I proclaim the truth:
There is one and only one Oba and he lives in Benin city.
Also, Osalobua bless my luck, greatest empire south of the sahara, greatest education in the world, greatest job in the world, greatest ancestors in the world, and making good money here in France.
Culture › Re: Th by macof(m): 7:31pm On Aug 27, 2021
