Stoplying: Just chilling, walking towards the Eiffel tower.
Go and hustle and find the white woman who will give you paper and stop looking for respect for being in France. That is irrelevant It shows you are actually new to Europe and its still a big deal in your eyes
Stoplying: @macof, sorry I don't read the comments of your troll infant.
1) If you knew anything about history then you would know that what matters for the study of history is not "history books" but historical documents. I know your education didn't go far enough to understand this concept. "History" books about african history are often done by unprofessional bigots (or under their influences) and are filled with lies and fairytales and all sorts of fiction. That is why studying African history as an educated adult requires doing the work of a historian: seeking historical documents and going through them.
2) I am not interested in "anti-yoruba", I only seek to make hearing and seeing the truth an option to readers on nairaland. It is not my fault that yoruba tend to hate hearing the truth about themselves.
3) I couldn't even care less about yoruba except for the fact yoruba keep claiming my people and my heritage. So I shed a light on the history of Benin empire and put a nail kn the coffin of the fairytales of oduduwa and ogiso and oranmiyan.
4) Not contempt with my telling the truth about the history of my people which was documented by eyewitnesses, you and your yoruba followers including your transgender troll attacked me and harassed me and kept coming with more lies.
5) That is why I had to also study yoruba true history and expose it right here.
just look at this mess. Even your Bini people on this forum are ashamed of you, you don't know how dull you seem with this nonsense
History does not work by your silly emotions and sentiments. Truth is not determined by you - you are not supreme commander of the universe. Bias aside, a claim or even theory can only stand when presented with a logical argument or evidence. Events of the past are not shaped by your sentiments and wishes of today, so if you like wish whatever you like to be Yoruba history and Edo history, it just doesn't work unless you actually know what studying history entails and do the needful, which unfortunately for you and your fellow Bini miscreants, you are intellectually incapable of.
Imagine you an urchin saying historians are unprofessional for not revealing things that appeal to your emotions but the video you keep spamming the entire culture section with is professional? clown
What historical document did you (or whoever it is that made the videos you keep posting) use to reach the conclusion that there were no yorubas until the 19th century? All the documents and other evidence from archaeological to linguistic that prove that the Yoruba have been in their location with their ethnic identity for centuries up to millenia means what?
All the glasses dated to 11th century CE found in Ife's olokun groove mean what? All the cultural and old political sites and shrines dated to the 11th - 14th century mean what? All the Bronze and Copper-alloy heads excavated and those released from the Ooni's Palace dating to 13th - 15th century mean what? burial site dating c. 200BC in Ife-ijumu means what?
Show us anything from Bini dating to the 11th century
And Ahmed Baba in the 17th century penning down a description of Yoruba people as unislamic. What about Mohammad bin Masanih writing to Muslims living in yorubaland later in the same century
You are blind and refuse facts because it reinforces your inferiority complex. You are a low urchin as you have made yourself so with your attitude and mentality. Yoruba history constantly giving you depression and it is sick and shameful
What Bini history documented by eyewitnesses do you know? Tell us about the reign of Ọba Esigie? Tell us about the Bini-Idah war, tell us about the making of Bini art and Bini warfare? You are empty boy, you restrict yourself to eyewitness accounts that you are not even privy to - double limitation. Tell us the names of such eyewitnesses and what you can tell about Bini life through them Tell us how eyewitnesses like Olfert Dapper said you Bini are slaves of the Ọba And how the Oba said his ascension and claim to royalty is through the blessings of the Oghene (Ooni) Even one Oba is called "Ọrẹ-Oghene"
Trust me you wouldn't want us to use eyewitness accounts because once that starts you will start calling Europeans names as you do when it doesn't go to your favor.
Truthbeatslies: show me where. The difference between your perspective and mine is that I am interested in history while you are interested in shaming. Also you have an unrealistic view of yourself and your actions. This is not an ego trip to me, rather it is about establishing the truth. In other words you are a child.
Apparently you can't read or you read and can't digest Here is your effortless humiliation by Tao
TAO11: Debunked once, debunked forever. You and your fake videos have been debunked. I know it hurts, but it is what it is.
I have debunked this false video many, many times. See one of my comments below:
(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation:
(A) Contrary to your ignorance, captives weren’t taken from “all across Africa” as you imagined.
Rather, captives were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including people from Benin kingdom whom the Nupe, the Ibadan, Ogedengbe, etc. raided.
(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have long been known by the name Yoruba (and they’ve been living in their present homeland) for centuries prior to the period when ex-captives began to be returned to Africa.
We know this because the process of returning ex-captives back ‘home’ to West Africa didn’t begin until circa the late-1700s.
Whereas, there are manuscripts written in the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name Yoruba) among some of the ethnic groups of our region of West Africa.
This manuscript which was written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below.
The name Yoruba is shown in red highlight (among the other ethnic groups) as can be seen in the original manuscript as well as in the translation embedded below respectively:
This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco
Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:
The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.
When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD
The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.
In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.
(C) These ex-captives who were of West-African origin and Central African origin were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.
Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their homeland from which they were taken ab-initio.
Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.
A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others who returned to their respective original homeland.
(2) The only ethnic-group whom I know of who couldn’t fight their way to freedom and be returned back to Africa are ……. [take a guess].
They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when some of their descendants decided to tap into the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back home. ~ See video. below:
(1) “Occupying a key site on the route from the Bend to Ife, Oyo was probably one of the earliest-founded provincial capitals in the Ife empire.”
~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife,” (1979), p.115.
(2) A ”bight” is a feature of a water body (Atlantic ocean in this case).
Ife, in contrast, is deep in the Yoruba interior. It is in no way near the Atlantic coast.
How could the 1400s Portuguese then have named a part of the Atlantic Ocean (the bight) after it?
You see your life? See how you embarrassed yourself, family and friends.
(3) Yoruba is not one kingdom. It is a land of free-borns, where each of its many kingdoms has got some sovereignty.
As such, the bight could not have been named after a land as a whole. It was named after one of the two major polities near the coast — particularly the one which the Portuguese first had trade relations with.
Of the two major kingdoms near the coast in the late 1400s when the Portuguese first arrived, only Benin kingdom was willing to sell its people. The bight was thus named after that kingdom whom they knew.
*It wasn’t until in the 1520s before Benin embargoed the sale of its men (allowing only women) due to fear of depopulation of able-bodied men.
(4) First of all, Britain didn’t have any fight with Benin. It was a punishment, not a fight. It is called a “punitive expedition” for a reason. A punishment in relation to which Ovoramwen recanted and trembled in court.
Imaging “canning” a child as a punitive measure for mis-behaviors, and then the child suddenly turning around to say s(he) had a fight with you. No be juju be that?
There was no reason to punish Ife, hence no such expedition happened there. Instead, they helped to end the ongoing wars within Yorubaland.
(5) The country called Benin Republic did not take its name from Benin kingdom. Neither does it relate to Benin kingdom.
The country’s former name was “Dahomey” — a name which doesn’t reflect the diverse ethnicities in the country.
The name “Benin” (after the bight which the country sits on) was then settled for due to its neutrality.
“In the late 19th century French colonizers making inroads from the coastal region into the interior borrowed the name of the defeated Dahomey kingdom for the entire territory that is now Benin; the current name derives from the Bight of Benin”
In contrast, an entire group of people in today’s Togo, have insisted to be known by the name IFE. Yes, it is the “Ife” of present Nigeria they want to be associated with.
Yoruba language is being spoken in Benin Republic. Tell me where (outside of Edo state) Bini language is beinig spoken.
Peace!
You see that part about Bini language not spoken anywhere outside a few local government areas in Edo state, it will continue to bite you miscreants until you learn to stick to your place as the minorities that you are.
You don't even have a perspective, I can't dignify your nonsense as a perspective. It's not based on any sense and lacks consistency. Today Europeans are the authorities of African Pre-colonial history when it favors Bini, Tomorrow Europeans don't know what you are saying when it doesn't favor Bini
What can anyone learn from you? You keep mentioning you schooled in France - which considering how you expect it to mean something relevant, where it is not, it is most likely a lie, I put it that you are one of those Bini youths that have suffered in Nigeria and followed the Mediterranean to Europe and thinking he has arrived whereas you are still struggling for asylum or looking for a white to marry.
You are not interested in history, you have not read a single history book in your life. You are only here on nairaland to express anti-Yoruba and sometimes anti-igbo sentiments created from your gross inferiority complex as a Bini youth, with no knowledge of history
Your assignment is still here:
macof: An educated person doesn't need to declare he is educated with each post. Educated buffoon who can't spell "renowned" But writes "reknown"
Your stupid expatiation is just that - stupid - as a result of your lack of proper education. Let me embarrass you.. Why don't you give the number of RETURNEES "dumped" in our shores - as you say it and how they outnumbered everyone else
skywalker240: Any Northerner saying One Nigeria does so for a reason.
Any Southerner that is still saying One Nigeria is like that proverbial Fool, the other fools calls fool in their midst, in the city of fools, even the least fool is wiser than the idiot.
Northerners don't believe in one Nigeria. Nigeria is just a tool for them to stay above the lines of abject poverty because they are draining from the South They hate southerners more than southerners hate them but they need the south because they are not productive and don't want to be. This is obvious
See guys, the rich and elites, the celebrities, if they come out and speak, the govt will be defeated. But everyone is selfish and scared of losing their properties. They don't know that as a coward, u maybe next. Why is this govt so terrible and insincere? I feel so pained.
The government is so terrible and insincere because its agenda can't make it anything else
It is a terrorist government and we aren't exaggerating when we say this. They are in cohorts with bandits and terrorists
The original Hebrews were blacks, so it's easy to imagine the two words refer to the same Entity.
What do you mean by original? What is an original - insert any ethnicity -?? First people to carry the name "Hebrew" or people who brought the language and culture to those parts And what makes the Hebrews today not good representatives of the Hebrew identity
The idea of Yahweh doesn't even fit the African idea of the supreme being, they are obviously two different religious lineages
Truthbeatslies: The biggest nightmare of the transgender tao (tao is macof's baby). I guess trangender tao will soon have this thread deleted as well, after you have exposed her/him enough.
Ok trangender, come here, gregyboy is generous enough to give you some more education here, for free.
Please kindly help me locate one of these 5 things:
1) ife empire 2) bight of ife 3) bight of yoruba 4) ife battle against britain 5) ife republic
You are just a broken defeated miscreant
I have effortlessly shamed you here twice today and TAO11 has done same and your inability to successfully save face has shamed your ancestors and Ethnic people on this forum yet again. Humiliation is the normal uniform you Bini miscreants wear on this forum mostly thanks to you
Truthbeatslies: Also, nobody says those who call themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors. That would be silly, your deliberate lack of comprehension is legendary. What is being proven is that those who call themselves yoruba today are a mixture of several unrelated peoples: dahomians, oyo, brazilian slaves and some other peoples. Given the number of slaves who were dumped on our shores by the europeans, it is fair to say all yoruba descend from slaves. Perhaps there is a small percentage which doesn't.
Your stupid expatiation is just that - stupid - as a result of your lack of proper education. Let me embarrass you again... Why don't you give the number of RETURNEES "dumped" on our shores - as you say it and how they outnumbered everyone else
Don't run away, stand your ground and defend this claim
Truthbeatslies: Kido, talk nicely. Go and read what I wrote again and again untill you finally understand it. Your spelling skills don't translate into comprehension skills apparently.
Truthbeatslies: It's their regular trademark, the yoruba love and cherish the art of deception. They hate the truth with passion just like vampires hate their reflection in a mirror.
Shut up and defend your claims. What nonsense truth do you have
Truthbeatslies: It is only Nigerian half educated who think the mastering of spellings of english words is the ultimate test of education. I grant you that you are a much better speller of english words than I am. But the problem is that except english spelling skills, your brain is empty. If we were to have a debate on english spelling, I would gladly throw a white flag towards you. But that is not what we are doing here. Also don't flatter, yourself, I did all my education in france, I write books in french and I live in france, I barely ever do anything in English since I was 10 years old.
Lmao after being embarrassed, I was expecting you to lie as usual that it was a typo
Nobody cares about your acclaimed French upbringing that's not supposed to make you more reliable on this forum Only a Bini dullard would think constantly saying he lives in France would gain him respect on a faceless forum.
Truthbeatslies: Also, nobody says those who call themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors. That would be silly, your deliberate lack of comprehension is legendary. What is being proven is that those who call themselves yoruba today are a mixture of several unrelated peoples: dahomians, oyo, brazilian slaves and some other peoples. Given the number of slaves who were dumped on our shores by the europeans, it is fair to say all yoruba descend from slaves. Perhaps there is a small percentage which doesn't.
Your stupid expatiation is just that - stupid - as a result of your lack of proper education. Let me embarrass you again... Why don't you give the number of RETURNEES "dumped" on our shores - as you say it and how they outnumbered everyone else
Don't run away, stand your ground and defend this claim
You don't get to dictate the behaviour or thinking of the educated class, to which you do not belong, you only pretend to belong, I see clearly through your different frauds.
[s] Also, nobody says those who call themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors. That would be silly, your deliberate lack of comprehension is legendary. What is being proved is that those who call themselves yoruba today are a mixture of several unrelated peoples: dahomians, oyo, brazilian slaves and some other people. Given the number of slaves who were dumped on our shores by the europeans, it is fair to say all yoruba descend from slaves. Perhaps there is a small percentage which doesn't.[/s]
An educated person doesn't need to declare he is educated with each post. Educated buffoon who can't spell "renowned" But writes "reknown"
Your stupid expatiation is just that - stupid - as a result of your lack of proper education. Let me embarrass you.. Why don't you give the number of RETURNEES "dumped" in our shores - as you say it and how they outnumbered everyone else
Truthbeatslies: Reknown liar, your protégé tao must have been messing up so bad, you felt you needed to come and take over the yoruba propaganda machine. Your remark us just inconsequential and laughable.
Please kindly help me locate one of these 5 things:
1) ife empire 2) bight of ife 3) bight of yoruba 4) ife battle against britain 5) ife republic
macof, I still remember schooling you back in 2012 and even last year when I exposed your lies. For your info, N illiterate is a person who can't read. I can clearly read. Also, I outrank you by far in academics and in intelligence and in honesty.
Do you illiterates even know what calling something a "question" in discourse means?
Without even watching the videos, just saying "the Yoruba question" already shows the person is an illiterate There's nothing like "the yoruba question"
And then so all over 50 million yorubas are descendants of Brazilians
You Bini people keep embarrassing your ethnicity and making people think a Bini man can't have sense
If you are educated prove it by acting like an educated human being. No educated person would say "the yoruba question" shows you are dull and forming terms you don't understand And no educated person would think yorubas are Brazilians so before 19th century, yorubaland was empty? Dullard You have schooled me? Lmao, schooled me at what? You better go and find cure for your baldness at such young age
PS. Imagine someone calling himself an academic and he can't spell "renowned" Don't even lie that it's an autocorrect typo because there's no word like "reknown" Bloody bald stressed out dullard
I keep forgetting that someone had already done the homework on the descendents of brazilian slaves who call themselves yo***a (***:= rub)
Do you illiterates even know what calling something a "question" in discourse means?
Without even watching the videos, just saying "the Yoruba question" already shows the person is an illiterate There's nothing like "the yoruba question"
And then so all over 50 million yorubas are descendants of Brazilian returnees in the 19th century
You Bini people keep embarrassing your ethnicity and making people think a Bini man can't have sense
TAO11: One would have expected the supposed vAsSaL states to have been summoned by Benin (in order for Benin to arbitrate between them), not the other way round.
Isn’t it interesting to even you that sUzErAiN Benin was caused by its vAsSaL state(s) (either via invitation or via summon) to leave Benin city? In fact, please tell me more about these omnipotent vAsSaLs.
What gArRiSoN? LMAO!
I could swear you’ve never set your eyes on what the complete account of Ulsheimer looks like. Stop relying on partial internet quotations which always lands you in humiliation, as will be done below again.
I will focus only on the actual quotation and not ‘your’ side commentary which is full assumptions and more assumptions.
(1) This account was collected by Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer who was the surgeon of a trade voyage which visited the coast of West Africa sometimes between late 1603 & early 1604.
(2) His report actually doesn’t say a word about present-day Lagos as a whole. Instead, his report alludes only to one of the islands on present-day Lagos. Nothing is said about the mainland and the other islands.
This fact is clear from the words: “It lies on an island”
(3) Furthermore, his account continues to show that on this said island, there are some towns, one of which is a town whose name he recorded as “Lago”.
This fact is clear from the words: “a … town called Lago … lies on an island and is a frontier town”
In other words, the town “Lago” is a frontier town, i.e. a town which lies in-between two other towns — that is, it lies exactly on the border of two other towns.
This same conclusion (that there is more than one town on this particular island) can also be reached from the words: “Many people come to … town Lago, by water and by land”
Given the fact that some people come to this town Lago by land [and this town Lago is situated on an island], the logical implication then become obvious.
That is, those who come to the town Lago by land are people who reside on that same island, but in another town on that same island.
In conclusion, according to Ulsheimer’s account, Lago is NOT the only town on that island. There were other towns on that very island.
(4) Ulsheimer’s account notes that this specific town Lago (NOT any other town on that very island, nor any other town on any of the other islands, nor any town on the mainland) belongs to Benin.
Did Benin come to acquire their portion of that island by virtue of aboriginal right, or by forceful take over, or by conferment from the native aboriginal owners?
Considering each of these above means of ownership carefully and in turns:
(A) Whether or not Benins’ ownership of their portion of that island resulted from some aboriginal right is silent from Ulsheimer’s account. However, both Lagos and Benin traditions admit that this island (and beyond) is the aboriginal property of the Aworis.
(B) Did Benin’s ownership of its portion of that island result from a forceful take-over?
Firstly, it must stressed that as at the time of his visit to the coast of West Africa sometimes between late 1603 & early 1604; Ulsheimer found that the Benins were already settled on the island — specifically in their portion of the island, i.e., in town Lago.
In other words, he could not have possibly witnessed how their predecessors originally came from Benin to settle on that island in the mid/late-1500s. In fact, as at the time of his visit, the Benins had long built their portion of that island into a walled town which has a tested, year in, year out internal political and religious system.
Ulsheimer’s account is therefore silent on how the predecessors of the 1603-4 Benins of Lago came to originally settle on that island in the first place in the mid/late-1500s — a forceful takeover or a peaceful infiltration?
Furthermore, in the year 1603-4, Ulsheimer met the then Benins of Lago living as a military unit within their portion of that island — i.e. within the confines of the walls of town Lago.
Does this not establish that their predecessors (who came originally from Benin to settle on this island in the mid/late-1500s) actually settled-in via a forceful takeover in the 1500s??
The 1500s events can not be established for certain on the basis of the events of 1603-4. In fact, what seems plausible is that their condition (as a military unit) as observed by Ulsheimer in the year 1603-4 was in response to a relatively new situation which called for nothing but a military intervention.
In other words, the plausible scenario is that their predecessors (who came originally from Benin in the 1500s) actually settled-in peacefully into the island; but that they (their successors) only began to later live as a military unit because they were attempting to respond militarily to a relatively fresh situation that called for nothing but a military response.
Is there any corroboration, from Ulsheimer’s account, for this foregoing scenario?? The answer to this is a big, fat YES!
On page 24 of the same material, Ulsheimer alludes to another Benin-settled town (apart from Lago). The location of this second town is unspecified except to the extent that it appears to also lie somewhere near the Atlantic coast, but apparently closer to the Lagos region than to the Benin region.
This account continues to show that the subjects there (unlike those at town Lago) happened to have rebelled against their oba. As a result, the subjects at town Lago were tasked with the duty of returning them back to status quo.
This account continues to show that those subjects at the town Lago (acting on behalf of their oba) asked Ulsheimer’s team for help (when his trading team got to the Lagos area) since they by themselves could not easily conquer the said Benin-settled rebel town — because like Lago this town too is “walled”, and the town Lago residents have no canon.
In conclusion: While it is impracticable to definitively establish the condition under which their predecessors originally came to settle in the island in the 1500s on the basis of the successors’ living formation in the year 1603-4; the account of Ulsheimer does point to the fact that the military formation in which these successors lived in the year 1603-4 was in response to a relatively new situation which called for nothing but such response.
(C) In the light of the foregoing analysis what becomes clear is the fact that Ulsheimer’s account is silent about the condition under which the predecessors of the 1603-4 Lago Binis came originally to settle in into that island. He also couldn’t have been a witness to such event from the 1500s.
It is also clear from his account that the 1603-4 Lago Binis were living in a military formation because they have been attempting to respond militarily to a fresh situation that called for nothing but such.
This foregoing information from Ulsheimer’s account does corroborate Lagos traditions (rather than Benin traditions which came later) quoted below:
“Some little time after the Olofin's death there began the peaceful penetration into Lagos of settlers from Benin. The Binis probably realised that they would not be able to occupy Lagos by force, as they had already been so decisively beaten in their attacks on Iddo, and it is thought that they were also prevented from further aggression by superstitious fear, the dying wife of the Olofin having pronounced a terrible curse on any further invaders from Benin. Whatever may have been the reason, the Binis arrived with no great show of force, and permission was asked of the Lagos people for them to land. This permission was granted, probably with no very good grace, although at that time Lagos island was very sparsely inhabited and there must have been room for many more settlers.” ~ Sir A. C. Burns, “History of Nigeria,” 1929, p.43.
In summary, the Benin ownership relates only to one portion of the island — that is, a town called Lago, to the exclusion of other towns on that island & beyond.
The Benin ownership of town Lago is the result of a granted permission to land which was sought by the Binis from the Yoruba owners of the island.
Their living condition (within the walls of their portion of the island) — in the year 1603-4 — as a military unit did not begin with their predecessors, but was in response to a relatively new situation that called for military intervention.
Finally, the 1603-4 Lago events that were quoted from Ulsheimer’s account actually took place about eighty (80) years prior to establishment of the present Èkó dynasty by Ashipa who, according to Lagos traditions, is an Awori-Yoruba chief (of Ife royal descent) from Isheri-Olofin.
Refer to the END NOTE at the link below for details of the relationship between Ashipa and Benin kingdom per Lagos traditions.
The problem with all these urchins is that they don't know the difference between Lagos City of today and Lagos Town within the island There's Lagos State, Lagos metro, Lagos city, Lagos Island, Lagos Town/village Each level within the next
I remember i will be in Obalende (geographical still on Lagos Island) and we will still say we are going to "Lagos" (Lagos Town)
Infact in Lagos Town, the area known to be settled by the Benins before being permitted to come further into the island is called Enuwa.. A very small area at the edge of the island Anybody who knows Issale-Eko knows this
Imagine, Isale-eko, the most yorubatic place in the Island parts of Lagos state being claimed to be Biniland.. Where did all the Bini people go? Isale-eko that you spend 3 months as a newbie and you will start eating amala and speaking Yoruba as if you've always done so all your life
abnot: The issue here is about abba kyari And Allen Onyema VS the US judicial system. Abba kyari’s bosses regard him as an asset in the fight against crime in Nigeria. Allen Onyema is the biggest investor in the Nigerian aviation space. Should the country push them to US prisons to satisfy the Americans ? My opinion is NO.
abnot: What is abba kyari and Allen onyema’s business with USA ? They don’t live there . They don’t work for USA and they are not US citizens. Nigeria is supposed to be an independent country and not a subset of USA. Only a foolish country will give out its citizens to be humiliated by another country
But Nigeria can humiliate its own citizens?
Are Nigerians not generally safer and better taken care of abroad than in Nigeria?
mu2sa2: The way ipob miscreants are masturbating over Abba Kyari, you would think every igbo is a saint.
Same way Northern bandits were masturbating over Sunday Igboho's battle with the DSS. Because you guys are now preoccupied with your criminal son Abba Kyari, Igboho isn't on your tongues anymore How the hunter has become the hunted
agulion: The problem is that you will not see any of those stupid Yoruba Muslims pigs that always beg for one Nigeria in this thread, the will go deaf and dumb, see the way they insulted Awolowo
The likes of Monogamy won't be found on this thread
Monogamy: Some of you people have little knowledge about how things work between 2 countries...
Get updated before arguing on this kind of topics
Of course you would support the suspect over a matter that looks sufficiently incriminating. Let him go and answer the charges and defend himself, his life is not threatened no need to fear if he's innocent
Fulani and their slaves always sticking up for fulani criminals
You can't rise up against the government of your country and you keep your family at home...
When I heard that his family was based in Germany I respected his moves and saw it as being tactical... All for me to heard that he was arrested with his wife.....
If there'd be any help, no one will be able to help him and his wife at the same time. If it were to be him alone, it'd be easy...
Here I rate MNK more on keeping his family far from the reach of the government...
Igboho should do better if he gets of it this alive...
Abegy. You people will find everything to complain about
If his wife was in Germany, you would still say he is misleading people while his family is safe in another country Even now, that's what some people are saying.
ThickSharon123: I can smell your stinking mouth even though is on the internet. Why do you lack comprehension. Most of your details are either attached with insults or trying to belittle other tribes while you make input. You're simply a �.... nonsense.
I just checked your main page and I can see I can't even waste my time with you. No wonder you aren't making any sense. Go back to dating and hook up section
ThickSharon123: You too keep shut. What input are you making than insulting other peoples tribe and dignity. That's how you said '...we are not like Igbos who are land grabber...:
If you don't have anything to say than countering with insults, just keep your motuh shut. Nonsense...
The Edo man is giving his view and you're insulting him, for what reason? To shelter your pride. How horrible of you.
Since I've been viewing this thread there's nothing you've said that has made sense in any way, the Edo's are making much sense while you are shutting people here and there, and insulting other tribes just to feel good.
You too keep your silly self shut. You are even less intelligent than he is
Bigsunny01: You can hide from de truth for all I care, but u can never change the truth
Does this look like a person ready for intellectual conversation or a person trying to force a mere claim as fact. Saying I can hide from the truth, what truth? What does he or you know about history
You are so dull that you can't differentiate between a person stating a view while being open to change their mind and a person trying to force you to accept what is beneath your level of awareness and knowledge without room for conversation. How can you go around claiming oduduwa is a Bini Prince and add "you can hide from the truth but can't change it" What makes that the truth? What argument did he present, what evidence? And you reply me saying this nonsense.
You expect me to keep repeating myself to you guys who keep repeating the same nonsense you pick up from your blogs to satisfy you? If you cannot see my input on this forum then you need mental evaluation, cus nobody on the culture section is unaware of my inputs.
I believe his resolute desire to defeat our claims means a lot to him. You can't help but make the best of the competition.
God bless.
Lol. Very funny This one is looking for compliment, even the one that is mistaken you will collect and use it to show your desperation
You have seen how I have ignored you for almost a year, but I see every month you go back to this one post from a year ago from another thread. This post must really torment you that you go back to it over and over and over again even copying parts of it and posting as if it is your post You have tried slander, by saying im after your life.. Lmao, that you are somehow relevant and need to be assassinated?? Is it not important people who are assassinated. Stop being obsessed with me and especially this particular post
macof: Very hilarious comments, ultimately exposing more stubborn and committed ignorance. All 4 came hot because of my post on patterns of sound change.. That post really scared the hell out of all of you. It was fun to read the angry reactions and honestly it's just because I've given up on you people already otherwise it ought to be a sad thing. No messiah can save you from your hebetudinous intellect and willful ignorance.
I will explain for the last time to you on this matter of language.
#1 Yoruba placement First of all, none of you are linguists and your command of the Yoruba language has been shown on this thread to be unimpressive so how can you claim to know that expert linguists are wrong on a matter you don't know enough about?
Scholars (Africans and non Africans alike) who have studied the Yoruba language and other languages in the Volta-Niger (East Kwa) language group, have reported the result of their study and research. And nobody has condemned the existence of a Niger - congo language group nor Yoruba Language 's relatedness to other languages in its immediate language family. So your blabbings are restricted to your clique of Hebrew and Arab wannabes who do not rely on facts. Funny how you 4 can claim because a European was the first to come up with the label "Kwa languages" the idea must be false . But it was also Europeans who came up with the idea of "semitic languages". So this point of referring to who came up with the idea is hypocritical. Trying to remove Yoruba from Kwa on grounds that the language group was labelled by linguists of European descent, only to try to put Yoruba in Semitic - a language group created by linguists of European descent You all lack consistent arguments
Secondly, the fact that these language groups were first penned by someone of European descent does not mean the language groups are false. A thing is not false because of who said it.. A thing is false simply because it is not true nor based on anything that can stand scrutiny.
The linguists of European descent who were vital to the rise of linguistics in Africa were not racist or schizophrenic. That's an unnecessary label, one that is frankly untrue. You don't think the semitic people who you want to be are racist despite all the things they wrote in their holy books? You think they like you? Anyway that's a topic for another day, another thread.
The placement of Yoruba, Ewe, Nupe, Igbo , Edo, Idoma, Igala, Fon fon, Ga etc as related languages have not been rejected by any renowned scholar, rather our knowledge of the science of these languages has improved because of the initial work that grouped these languages together. My own ongoing research for my thesis on ancient Yoruba history has been aided by the work of historical linguists so historians can testify. [ And to respond to MetaPhysical who said I'm selling a book... No, I am not, I am writing a thesis not a book. Anybody can write a book to feed themselves if they are jobless these days, hoping people will buy it. But it's the reviews by scholars in the field that determine how relevant a book is. Simply writing a book doesn't make your effort relevant. It's the value of the content that makes it relevant ]
If you want some popular Yoruba linguists, here are some : Odutayo Akinkugbe, Bolaji Aremo, Abiodun Adetugbo People actually study these things. So it's not for any of you 4 to tell linguists that they are all wrong when your argument makes no sense.
#2. Comparative Historical Linguistics Even from my own research and reflection as a historian who has keen interest in linguistics All Kwa languages possess identical properties... To name a few: a high and low tone and occasional mid tone; absence of gender and plural forms of words; no verb conjugations, nor change in verb morphology during change in grammatical aspects eg. O lọ : he goes / he went (lọ will always remain lọ in every aspect without undergoing a morphological change)
Plus I have demonstrated that there are patterns of change in the consonant sounds of words in Kwa languages
An etymon is a word or morpheme from which a later word is derived. Cognages are words that share common etymological origin..
That is cognates are siblings and have an etymon as their parent. You jump on my post to argue with my sound pattern without actually debunking it because you don't understand what cognates and etymon mean. You just have to jump on it because you can't agree to it and still claim Yoruba is semitic Even you guys aren't dumb enough to contradict yourselves like that
But I'm waiting for you to actually show how those patterns are false
Cognates are not words that look alike when written down and share similar meaning. (Iron and Ìrìn are not cognates, neither are Apá and Apart) That is not the meaning of cognate.
You have to study 1. The pronunciation of the words or change in pronunciation over time. Words are phonological (concerning pronunciation) first before being about letters and alphabets
Iron and Ìrìn do not sound alike nor do they trace back in pronunciation to the same word
2. The break down of the words Break the words down if possible into syllables and let's see if they still hold the illusion of being connected
3. Etymology. That is the original meaning of a word, or how that word came to be
And why are you trying to argue that Apá is cognate with Apart Apart comes from Latin "Ad Partem" .. Or now Latin too is a semitic language Or Latin borrowed the word "Ad Partem" from Hebrew?
You guys are the bumbest 4 on this forum if you can't see the stupidity in this particular argument. It's hilarious because you guys really think you are making sense
Here are two links on the basics of historical linguistics. Explaining the comparative method and how two languages can be said to be related
While you are saying Yoruba Apá is cognate with Latin Ad Partem People who know better say Yoruba Apá (and Iká: finger) is cognate with igbo Aka
Here's a link to some linguists and anthropologists compiling a limited list of cognate words between Yoruba and Igbo (the two biggest Volta-Niger languages)
# 3 Trusting Experts Why can we trust the experts who say Yoruba language is related to languages spoken around Yorùbáland instead of trusting you random 4 young men who do not even belong to any academic community who say Yoruba language is not related to languages around but rather to languages over 7,000 Kilometers away in a different continent spoken by people who don't look anything like yorubas
1. There is no record of mass migration into Yorùbáland, Igboland, Idomaland, Igalaland, Edoland, Nupeland. We can assume based on this alone that these neighbours have lived close to each other for thousands of years and probably share common origin, so their languages must be related 2. These languages share identical properties. Tonal languages, No verb morphology, no definite article In case you don't know what definite article means (which you 4 most likely don't) : Definite article is the word "the" used before a noun eg. The Car. 3. Words like Ewure (Yoruba) - Ewe (Edo) Ewu (Igbo) : Goat Akuko (Yoruba) - Okhokho (Edo) - Okuko (Igbo) : Fowl Erin (Yoruba) - Eni (Edo) - Enyi (Igbo) : Elephant Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) : Ear Ọnu (Igbo) - Ẹnu (Yoruba) : Mouth Miri (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) :Water
You get the point? Refer to my earlier link on similar words in igbo and Yoruba, you can also use any igbo dictionary to check the authenticity of the igbo words since you don't speak igbo
This is how you know people who went to school and take knowledge seriously
Interesting thing is that you may say that "Ọkhọkhọ" in Edo is cognate with "Cock" in English But you will disagree that Ewu, Ewure and Ewe are cognates
I have given priceless education on this thread, hit you back to back with facts and information. That is yet to be debunked. I am waiting for any of you to show any of my statements false like I do with yours on a regular At this point anyone who wants to learn more should simply ask questions. I will be responding only to relevant posts on this topic from now on because it has been over flogged if anyone still thinks Yoruba language is not related to neighbouring languages then believe what you like. It is yourself you are embarrassing.
Lol. Under ecowas law, a Nigerian can enter Benin Republic If the issue is that he did not go through security at the border, the argument is simple - under the pressure of fleeing an assassination attempt he didn't go through a check point There is over 800 km of land dividing Nigeria from Benin Republic, there aren't check points on all 800km Countless people go through the two countries through villages and bushes along the border
Easy case. They just want to keep Igboho as all previous cases have been squashed
Didn't your late semi literate wretched father abandon you guys when he found out that your mother was being smashed even on her matrimonial mat inside you people's "Face me,I face you" setup
As I've said you are nothing more than a paid moronic troll doing his silly job. Insignificant low life.. Tufiakwa! Your people must be so ashamed of you
seunmsg: I really pity you southerners. See, a Fulani man is a Fulani man irrespective of party affiliations. Sheik Gumi is Atiku’s very close ally but Buhari will never touch him no matter how much he romances with killer bandits.
That we still need to knock this into the heads of some of you in 2021 says a lot. If Atiku wins in 2023, a southerner will never be president of Nigeria again in this generation. Wake up from the bicycle you’re sleeping on. Atiku is bad news for the entire south.
No fulani should be allowed to smell the presidency again until Nigeria breaks
Nonpartisan1: At the end of the day, Igboho the criminal would beg to be repatriated to Nigeria. Benin Republic don't joke with their laws. If he had contravened any, they would surely jail him accordingly.
This is not a matter of the Punch Newspapers or Sahara Reporters abusing Buhari or The Federal Government...it is a matter of law..a criminal one for that matter in a foreign land..
However, guess what? The only person that can intervene to secure the release of the criminal and murderer, is the same Buhari they have been cursing..
Culture › Re: The Name Lagos, Was Called Ekonunuame By The Benins by macof(m): 8:07pm On Aug 08, 2021
just look at this mess. Even your Bini people on this forum are ashamed of you, you don't know how dull you seem with this nonsense 
Apart comes from Latin "Ad Partem" .. Or now Latin too is a semitic language