₦airaland Forum

pkjag:
I agree, Mugabe is a Legend that we might not see in this part of the world for a long time (so was Gaddafi), so many people are brainwashed by western media it's pathetic, they see the west as Noble, honest saviours who always tell the truth about everything, it's sickening.
The west are the biggest hypocrites you will ever come across, when President Uhuru Kenyatta was elected they said that they would end all relations with Kenya, but when he was cleared by the ICC, they all came knocking, apologizing and renewing relations for investment. They also said that they won't help Nigeria fight Boko Haram because of its human rights record, look at what they are doing in the middle east. The East is a better partner, they don't involve themselves with african politics which is a good thing.

blame our people for taking it from the west. . the middle east (arabs and israel especially) won't take
that from them
we give them the audacity to poke into our business and tell us how to live afterall our African nations were formed by them at the Berlin conference

TonySpike:
I think it'd be more shameful for him if he dies on the "throne". Why can't he just groom someone to replace him? Is he that paranoid of life after office?

This is true. he's old he can't perform well at this fragile age

frehage:
I only re-echoed oil production statistics, not land ownership. I'm not an Arogbo Ijaw.

BTW, the Ijaw Language has more similarities with Yoruba than any of the other major Nigerian languages.

are u sure? can you explain how?

I want to know, are Obolo ethnically(includes History nd Language) Ijo or just politically?

those are beautiful works of art right there

jossi994:
they'll understand the day he dies. In the main,i think Mugabe sh0uld f0ll0w the obj m0del.. It might serve him well,dude's n0t getting y0unger and i'd hate to see him die soon. Not had en0ugh of his stunning ripostes t0wards the whites

you know for his own good I would advise he steps down. . dude is already a legend
he doesn't need presidential burial
no matter what he would get the burial befitting for a legend

Menace2Society:
Mugabe should go stop licking an old a.ss

and stop licking white ass. .. jst because the west say something doesn't make it right.
Go attack Saudi Arabia's absolute monarch

come on Uyi, you're better than this

but really christianity is seriously sucking you dry

jossi994:
do you remember what happened to libya after Gaddaffi's death?

oh! zimbabwe would so cry if Mugabe ever leaves

cocokiller1:
he rigs election in broad daylight. ?
is there no tribunal in Zimbabwe?
I tot they said icc would bundle jona if he tries rubbish,
icc no knw d road to Zimbabwe so they can go give him d gbagbo treatment.
abi zimbabwe no follow 4 countries wey icc get say?
I confuse o

goes to show u something is off with this allegation

pazienza:
Which is the more reason why we must solidify the Arewa-Odua bridge by secession and leaving them to improve their alliance in a Sharia republic of Arewa-Oduanistan.

Bridge building with the North is not good enough, Arewa and Odua must solidify their union in a new United country.

Oh pls stop ur nonsense. . I thought u were intelligent I guess I was mistaken

in Nigerian political history the Igbo have played partners or sidekick to the fulani
Azikiwe and Alex ekwueme come to mind. the same azikiwe helped Nigeria against ur Biafra

is there anything wrong with Poltical coalition with fulani? aare insecure of ur place in Nigeria From now on?

barcanista:
Nigeria should be renegotiated

was Nigeria ever negotiated? we were forced into this by the West

ROSSIKE:
Come on will you shut up your illiterate mouth with the west calling you ''monkey'', when you already regard yourself as one without the west calling you anything. Colonised self hating dunce with inferiority complex. The same west that is best friends with Saudi Arabia, where they have never held a single election in history, and where they amputate your hand for stealing a loaf of bread? Where women are treated like trash and aren't even allowed to drive? Does the same west regard the Saudi King as a ''monkey''?? Have they ever asked the Saudi dictator to step down and hold elections?

Why does the west send the Saudis billions of dollars annually in weapons, and offer them full diplomatic support? Does your tiny brain think in those directions or is it just the propaganda nonsense you see on BBC about Mugabe that your brain can recognise? ONUKWU who thinks he's a monkey. The reason you and other thoughtless folks here hate Mugabe is because you are obeying the white man's instructions to hate him, via BBC and other western media propaganda outfits. His crime? He returned the (stolen by whites) Zimbabwe lands back to his people.

And guess what, the land reforms have been hailed as a SUCCESS even in the west you worship, however grudgingly.

http://www.channel4.com/news/land-reform-brings-prosperity-to-black-zimbabweans

And NO, Mugabe will NOT step down until he can find a suitable successor who will not go and hand the land back to the oyinbos, and destroy all his plans for his peoples' true long term freedom and independence. And we know Africa is full of self hating, stupi.d, dummy dum dum goats all too ready to sell their country to the first whitey they come across. So NO, Mugabe is going nowhere till he is 1000% SURE HIS REFORMS WILL STAND.

Those Zimbabweans who oppose him are the sellout urban minority who missed their imported cornflakes and Italian shoes after western economic sanctions were imposed on Zimbabwe for implementing the land redistribution. The rural majority, who benefited from the land reforms, and are no longer slaves on their own land, LOVE HIM, and KEEP VOTING FOR HIM, which is why he KEEPS WINNING ELECTIONS, even though the BBC claims he ''rigs'' the elections. But we all know it is simply NOT POSSIBLE for one man to keep doing that today in Africa. Mugabe has HEAVY SUPPORT in his country. AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

beautiful! this is what these fools don't know

brainpulse:
And some stupid Nigerians and children in Nairaland were comdeming Sahara reporters

Sahara reporters have no right humiliating a president and world leader of such

Hate or Love, Mugabe Will spend many more years doing the needful in Zimbabwe

must it be democracy? why do africans like fooling themselves? Mugabe is doing a fair job as president if you ask me. ..being president after all isn't easy anywhere

If you are truly tired of mugabe, opposition parties should come together and do what APC did

is it not lions that our ancestors used to kill like cats. .

IdisuleOurOwn:
Mtchwwwwwwww.
Asari Dokubo is just clueless kawai.
He should bring back all his investment to the ND before we can take him serious, or else he should go to Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria to meet his fellow Mujahids.

Cc: shariarepoter (oremussactus) what do you have to say, because he is a Muslim?

address the message and not the messenger

kendrick9:
wow.. the girl is stunning and she's lightskin too..

look at this fool.. its people like you that force girls to bleach

naijainfogalery:
I dont have issues with anyone but this is a very wrong thing to do, why will they do this, there are several tribes here in Lagos, we have the Deltans, Calabar, Hausa, Fulani etc and those Igbos group didnt bring out anything that would benefit the whole Lagosians as a whole but themselves. I just think there should be limitations in demand

these bigots among the Igbo ethnic are just very foolish and greedy.

how can you expect to have equal rights with the native yoruba people and yet forget you aren't the only strangers in the land

can a Yoruba man be welcome in aba and demand such nonsense without being flushed out and disgraced?

NigerMan1:
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Owo and Benin were NOT siblings. I love when a great CLAIM is made, you back it up with more facts and summary.

As early as the reign of Oba Ovonramwen, before he was overthrown by the British in 1897, the whole of the present day Ekiti/Ondo was a vassal of the Benin King. They paid tribute and many of their language (word) and tradition were Benin which still exist today. [/s]

As at 1893 Ekiti had become a powerful independent united nation who fought the ruthless and daring Ibadan to a stand still to secure that. Bini never held the "whole" of Ekiti... wat like 3 kingdoms out of 16 has turned into "whole"

anyway no reason to take an Esan (who's history is unknown) anti-yoruba Bini slave seriously

Chinaimporter:
[b][size=13pt]the story of christ is filled with ancient lies and so are the stories of all other prophets and gods,be he christ, mohammed, budda, shango etc.i dont know how a people of this modern age can still belive this fairy tale stories just becus it was brought to us by the whites.....every religion claims to be the truth and god says he loves us and we must love him back and if we dont, he will put us in hell, i always wonder which kind of love that is and i know only a blood thirsty villan would act like that.

Of all the gods in the world, that of the bible is the most stupid, mad and deranged and i sincerly will never accept him, if salvation is only gotten through him,i choose to go to hell rather than be a slave to such a wicked beast

A beast that would send a bear to eat 52 children for laughing at a bald elijah.
A beast that would drown a whole world that he claim to love and made in his image
A beast that would sanction the massacre rape and murder of women and children by moses.
A beast who build the most horrifying torture chamber to torture those he claim to love because they couldnt belive in him.
A beast that tolorated slavery.
A beast that watched jephtah sacrify his daughter to him as his promise if he wins a war.
A beast that watched the sacrifing of his only begotten son so that he could forgive man by grace.
A beast that watch over all the suffering of the world and does nothing to ameliorate it

I refuse to worship you, you ethernal beast and vile creator, no wonder other angel supported satan in his bid to overthrow you despotic ass........i have chosen my side if the armagadon is ever true....i will ride with lucifer on that day against you army and this time i know we will succeed and put you in the bottomless pit that you created for your beloved ones[/b]s.[/size][/b]

Have you studied the Sango worship to know so much as to compare it with christianity?

eleojo23:
When they sacrificed the animals (lambs, bulls and goats) in the Old testament, it was a symbolism of what Christ would come to do for mankind. The lamb died in their place the same way Jesus would later come to die in our place.

One thing you have to understand is the timelessness of the cross of Christ. That is, it cuts across time.

When those people in the old testament made those sacrifices, they were looking forward to the future Christ who would come to die for man. The blood of the lambs covered their sins until when Jesus would come to finally take away the sins
Likewise we who are in the present day look back in time to what Christ did on the cross for us to be saved.

So in essence, the sacrifices prescribed by God for them at that time was enough.

Bible reference pls (to ur claim that they were looking forward to the Christ of the Future)

Btw the lambs sacrificed in the ot were never resurrected but remained dead ..why did Jesus not remain dead if he was to replace this system of Lambs?

Goodnuel:
*Singing*

In Timaya's voice*

Some worship idols, some worship juju!!
Me I just d look them like say dem be mumu!!
How you go just the worship a man made god oooo

I will not bow down...


>>>>>

An example of those who hate at the same time have no clue of their history, Culture and entire identity

Shymm3x:
Owo is a Yoruba town in present day Ondo state, and at the height of Bini empire - it was a Bini vassal state. Owo arts are somewhat similar to Bini arts in terms of finesse and artistic look, and also to Ijebu arts. I believe Bini did borrow a few things (especially Ivory and brass) from Owo arts and vice versa. Their arts are also extremely beautiful and gracious, with finesse. However, Bini tops them all.

right! Owo began the ivory armlets and such skill was taken up to Bini first through trade and then during the imperial period over Owo

I just think most folks on here dwell on the most frivolous things, just to spite one another, while obfuscating what the crux of the matter should actually be. Also, they also don't understand how important timeline is when it comes to history - ditto why the degree of influences is very important when comparing two cultures. And you can't really make a head-way in historical scholarship without putting these things into consideration. In as much as I believe the people who make up today's Edo and Yoruba people are most likely different - or perhaps migrated to the present day Nigeria via different migration waves (there's no archaeological proof/evidence that West Africa is the cradle of mankind - apart from the Bantus before the expansion and the 8,000-year old boat from Northern Nigeria, which could've been owned by anyone. I'll stick with the hypothesis that the groups in present day Nigeria migrated from the Nile Valley civilisation and from present day Middle East) - you can't deny the fact that the Kingship of both groups came from the same source (who most likely migrated from a different place and met the people from the two ethnic groups there before lording over them).

Would be nice to know what makes u assume Edo and Yoruba(and igbo) didn't split in Nigeria From a single prototype culture

Then when you examine the fact that the Bini had an Oduduwa mask they were still worshipping in the 18th century and compare it to the Bini legend about the banished Ekaladerhan - it basically doesn't add up.
Who worships a banished prince that has been ostracised/detribalised? Ditto the attention Bini arts gave to exalting Yoruba gods like Ogun, Olokun, Osun (I never knew they worshipped Osun till I saw the mask on this thread), etc..

Truly it doesn't add up. Even the Oba of Bini is praised as "son of Oodua of Ife" no reference to any Ekaladerhan

But to the talk about the Bini God - Osun, it's not the same wit Osun in yoruba. ..But Osanyin/Osain

Furthermore, the Yoruba legend about Oduduwa dropping from the sky (pure bollocks) also doesn't add up - hence the need for the two groups to drop the supremacy battle, to get where this mysterious Oduduwa came from. Who is/was he/she? And where exactly did he and his followers come from? Regardless, both groups will always be Ife and the custodians of Ife ought to do more, with the excavation of different sites, where things happened in the past.

lmao
In all my life I've never heard anyone say Olufe Oduduwa dropped from the sky. . This is what the ignorant uninitiated say
Only on the Internet you find things like this

People confuse the Spirit( often personified as a female) with the king

But I find it strange that no brass or terracotta head has been identified as the great king, there's Obamakin, there's Obalufon II

In as much as they ought to be returned since they were stolen (the African pride in me and heart agree with this), but of what use would they be to folks who don't really know their worth and with a terrible maintenance culture? If not for the British museum, we wouldn't know about all these great works (and the British museum is yet to display the thousands of great artworks they stole from Nigeria - the ones on display are basically a small segment of what they have in their possession). Yes, our history is on display somewhere else, but it tells the world a story about our past - something we wouldn't be able to do, if they were with us - blessing in disguise.

Even in present day Nigeria, there are still loads of historical treasures under the ground that will tell us stories about our past, and help people connect the dots. However, what are the people doing to unravel these things? How many sites are Nigerians excavating? What's the tourism industry in Nigeria like? Osun state, where Ife is located, is a classic example: that place ought to be a UNESCO World Heritage Site, due to the history of the place, and because it birthed two of the biggest empires in West Africa - Bini and Oyo. However, due to how messed up Nigeria is, they don't care about these things. So, why waste those wonderful arts, by sending them to those who will most likely destroy them?

Its a pity really. The average Nigerian christian and muslim hates or has no knowledge of his cultural heritage

Pinocchioo:
And some scientists will still argue that there is no creator and God doesn't exist, and that humans were formed from Spirogyra .

No scientist says there's no creator...how ever Creator and God don't mean the same thing
Btw how does this prove ur god?

Has fifa sorted out their corruption problem or they need buhari?

Btw Congratulations to Blatter on his election victory

moreInchies:
bro, pls do I need gothe of am applying with a year university transcript ?

depends on if your course is taught auf deutsch oder auf englisch
If it's english you might need Toefl

@sonzo

Why do you keep saying Groups like Yoruba, Bini, Igbo migrated from outside Nigeria?
Any proof? Cus as a yoruba man, I can say we have no history of coming from any land outside modern Nigeria. ..any thing that suggests otherwise is a recent revisionism lacking solid evidence

Btw do you know any Bantu group that holds anything identical to the Nok art?

The wisest? I wouldn't even call him Aroni the wise

Let's say he is a Forest spirit, having all knowledge of Plant properties as well but never involves in healing - this is Osanyin's role

I used to read about one other Forest spirit, Aja who is said to accompany Ogun ni Igba Iwase, it's possible Aja and aroni are the same just different names

In my opinion, he messed up with his people

Who knows any project he gave his people?

texanomaly:
Smh...

I'm great!

I take it that you haven't seen any snakes lately

MrGoogleHead11:
Wow! Great article and nice to read, I also read it somewhere that his war cloth is hanged on a thread of spider web but 100 able bodied men won't be able to lift it. Any info concerning his war cloth? Do you know maybe it's achived in any of Nigerian museum Mr. Macof?

Unfortunately I don't my brother. But I believe his properties should be in the custody of his descendants at Ilesa rather than a museum