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Lol. Crazy people on this forum

One mumu is still bringing European maps of the 18th century, when Europeans never left the coast, to draw conclusion on Benin's boundaries when no boundaries are even indicated on said map

Ctorch:
:PItshekiri Kingship Tussle-Edo remains a part of Yoruba kingdom likewise Itshekir


How can we save ourselves from this self imposed confusion??
Listening to Chief Ayiri Emami and Chief Amaju Pinnick this morning on Arise TV got me worried.
Both men were discussing the current Itsekiri succession Tussle
Ayiri is maintaining that the Procedure enacted into law in 1979 must be followed.
But many Itsekiris do not want to follow the procedure because a Particular provision in that Procedure will disqualify the People's candidate, a Candidate of their Choice.
Briefly I am made to understand that the mother of a would be Olu must either be an Itsekiri woman or from Edo.
But the Favorite candidate's mother loved by all has a Yoruba as his mother
His own Father late Atuwatse II knew of this Proviso, yet went ahead to marry a Yoruba woman....that is my first source of confusion.
Now his own Father became an Olu after this Edict was enacted in 1979 and ruled for about 28 years or so, he had all the connections to repeal that obnoxious proviso in that Edict, but refused to do anything about it , ...that is the second source of confusion.
Then we are told that a would be Prince must be chosen by the Oracle of Ifa ....Yet Ifa Oracle is of Yoruba origin, an ancient Deity, and yet a Prince born by a Yoruba woman cannot be king, in a decision that will be taken by a Yoruba god??... Another confusion.
Ayiri himself said in the video that he was told that the Ifa Oracle rejected him as the Ologbotsere, yet he successfully became the Ologbotsere and still is, ...and how did that happen?? Is he telling us that the Ifa oracular divination is a mere charade??
So what Place has Jesus Christ in the Place of the Itsekiri people in this modern age, with the likes of Pastor Ayo oritsejafor a former CAN President and with very many Christian Population, when it is an Ifa Oracle that will decide who will be their King instead of Jesus Christ?? Well I am getting more confused.
Why enact a law in a matter that a deity will finally decide, or you want to use the law to arm twist the Deity??
But Truth be told Our system is a hybrid of a mess.
We engage ourselves in 2 marriages. We called the English Traditional marriage as the '" white wedding"
So after doing our Traditional wedding which allows a man to marry more than one wife and have concubines if he so desires,
We repeat another "traditional" marriage of the English people that will make you marry only one wife....And so we are torn between the 2.
We run the English legal system, while at the same time we keep another Customary courts.
We elect kings given to us by the gods, only to subject them by laws given to us by the British
Today all Nigeria kings are ceremonial...What Ifa has chosen today as a king can be dethroned and Banished by a mere mortal called Governor who is not even a member of that tribe tommorow.
Our system, thoughts pattern need a total overhaul, we are not thinking straight at all.
May the Almighty God of the Universe, see the Itsekiri people through this crisis and bless them abundantly by giving them Peace and enlarging their coasts in Jesus name. Amen.

Ifa advises, its left for people to take Ifa's advice or not. In fact many selections these days don't include consulting Ifa at all and you end up with irresponsible personality on the throne.

If Ifa also advised against the emergence of Chief Ayiri as Ologbotsere then it is already clear why you have him causing confusion. Ifá doesn't give false consultation

The edict was a silly one. Itsekiri kingdom itself is one of the many Yoruba kingdoms so it makes no difference if mother is from Yoruba parts of Kogi or Yoruba parts of Delta
An edict of 1979 has no basis on a throne that is over 500 years old

Islie:
• Says governor championed propaganda against them

• Claims Miyetti Allah has spent N87m as fine in Benue for open grazing in 3 months




https://www.sunnewsonline.com/miyetti-allah-to-gov-ortom-youre-thorn-in-fulani-flesh/

Despicable people. Look at criminals trying to play victim. They have been killing benue people for years o
Other ethnicities in Nigeria should get together and flush these evil doers

plaindealer:
The fact that you are going to die or not or what you achieved or did not achieve in life has nothing to do with being a good and decent human being, or you must live your life being insulting, devise, abusive, lie and peace do or die politics of destruction and acrimony and relentless personal attacks on other people.

While you are alive, be a decent human being, don't be a devisie element, don't disrsepect people or launch personal attacks against them especially when are not attacking you or responding in kind.

I know that lesson is too huge for you and your kind to learn, but learn it for your own good.

Lol all this mumbo jumbo because they criticise your lord and master?
Grow up. And let the dead rest in peace

hollah123:
so anyone in PDP is on the side of the people?

I guess Wike is on the side of the people for launching security outfit to deal with ESN?

Oh I didn't know you had a list of all the card carrying members of PDP

To a silly fellow anybody that gives criticism against the current administration is PDP
You all don't even think that other parties exist, talkless of other non-partisan interest groups

naija4life247:
Traitors don't die well. He was with Buhari in 2003, 2007 and 2011 when Buhari lost the election consecutively. Few months to 2015 election, Odumakin and some groups in Civil Society Organization (CSO) collected some millions from Goatluck Jonathan. That was how Odumakin cross carpeted to PDP. Goatluck Jonathan and PDP lost the election and Odumakun started fighting Buhari and Tunubu tooth and nail.

At the end of the day, Buhari is currently ball in in UK, Tinubu is balling in Bourdillon while Odumakin is six feet under the soil.

Whom God hath blessed, no idiot can curse.

I don't understand the orientation that death means you've failed... When it is everyone that dies
It's what lives after you that tells the relevance your life had not who die before who

I hope you learn that lesson though

plaindealer:
One man's towering patriot is another man's towering something very different.

It's always sad to see people die at such a young age, even at any age, but this is a lesson for us all.

Politic is just politics, it's not a do-or-die affair, but this man turned politics into politics or bitterness, politics of acrimony, politics of daily and relentless personal attacks even when the issues had nothing to do with politics.

This man barked, and vociferously lied about Tinubu's age, he launched relentless personal attacks instead of confining his thoughts to just politics and national issues, he spent and wasted his days lying and needlessly attack other people all in the name of politics of bitterness and personal attacks.


The same Tinubu that he attacked and rubbish just a few days ago about his age is still alive and well regardless of his age, but you the bitter, angry, and mean-spirited attacker is no longer with us regardless of your own age young or old.

The same Tnibu saved your life when the wall of death was closing in on you when you had no hope, no means, or any capacity to service and heal because of sickness, but all because of politics, you spent your last days as a human being attacking,m abusing and insulting the same man that saved your life.

Tinubu in his human, understanding, and character of humility did not say a word, he did not respond in kind, but you are no longer with us to continue dishing out insults, personal attacks, disturbing the country with politics of bitterness, hatred, anger, personal attacks, insults, and abuse.

This is when as a society reflect and access our ways and adjust how we conduct ourselves, politics is just politics, it shouldn't be the end of the world.

What is all this nonsense? As if everybody will not die
So because he died does that mean everything he achieved in life and the name he made for himself is now irrelevant?
Gosh. What kind of brain do they give you people when you decide to support a particular politician?

Olu317:
Explaining migration theories to a deviant whose view is based on a partial part of the oral will not agree to a well studied research from renowned archeologists, linguists, anthropologist ,Historians, etc who have shown that Yoruba groups have plausible theories of wave of migration, from outside West Africa, which point to Mesopotamia to North Africa; Egypt, Morocco , Sudan and to West Africa.

Lol. There are no renowned archaeologists, linguists, anthropologists or historians today who would publish any nonsense like that. Knowledge has far outgrown that stage of chasing imaginative narratives
You have invested years of your life chasing Yoruba in North Africa and Western Asia
You have found no evidence yet so stop disturbing me

A loss to the great Yoruba nation.

He would not be able to see the nation we want to build
RIP

EzeNri:
Do you know more than your Ooni?

You worry about how you need the Ooni to teach you your history. Don't you worry how you have no history to tell?
Anyway, that's your business

Felabarmudia:
See what I found below.

Lol

The article is just disjointed and confused with itself.
So who are the Yoruba according to the text? From mixing Nubians with Cushites running away from Arab invaders in Sudan to pre-Islamic Arabs at Mecca and Medina to being cushitic founders of the Egyptian civilization.
Wahala

Can you say you find the article revealing or enlightening?

Also those words listed as Egyptian words are inaccurate. I have an Egyptian dictionary and even using online dictionaries some of those words do not match the meaning given, other words don't even exist.

Hotice085:
Know when to apply them

Guy you just want to argue nonsense. But your comment and mine can be correct
Rest and find work abeg

Hotice085:
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The prewritten stages serves as a guide , depending on the environment you apply the stages as one deems fit

so what were you now arguing about?
Na wa

christistruth01:
God will bless you for Educating him

that guy can never be educated o

Everything LeoThaGreat posted has been told to him.
He would rather open multiple accounts to repeat the same nonsense he says Everytime

Hotice085:
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A village will always be of same stock of people, a clan same stock of people.
A tribe with just one village can't have a clan but just family heads, except the families are now called clans

Bottomline is - there is no rule. You have to study the group to figure out what category it falls into.. Not follow some prewritten stages

Christistruth00:
“ Kindly list the names of the killed Lekki Endsars Protestors “

At least two people I know of, Abouta Solomon, and brother to one Olufunmi Grace

And even if you claim people were not killed, do you also claim people were not shot? Innocent citizens by their own military

contrary to what some people are saying online, nothing in the report suggests that USA stands to say nobody was killed or there are no victims from the Toll gate

The report itself doesn't use the words "no evidence that soldiers killed anyone at lekki toll gate" . these bloggers have started

And this is just a report not an official US position on the matter. The US has said it has no position, they have other priorities

Amnesty International reported 10 persons died during the event, but the government disputed Amnesty’s report, and no other organization was able to verify the claim. The government reported two deaths connected to the event. One body from the toll gate showed signs of blunt force trauma. A second body from another location in Lagos State had bullet wounds. The government acknowledged that soldiers armed with live ammunition were present at the Lekki Toll Gate. At year’s end the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Inquiry and Restitution continued to hear testimony and investigate the shooting at Lekki Toll Gate. https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/nigeria/

people that are going to the extreme on whatever sides they take should stop playing politics with anything as serious as military shooting at innocent citizens

but nothing in the report suggests that USA stands to say nobody was killed

The report itself doesn't use the words "no evidence that soldiers killed anyone at lekki toll gate" . these bloggers have started

And this is just a report not an official US position on the matter. The US has siad it has no position, they have other priorities

Amnesty International reported 10 persons died during the event, but the government disputed Amnesty’s report, and no other organization was able to verify the claim. The government reported two deaths connected to the event. One body from the toll gate showed signs of blunt force trauma. A second body from another location in Lagos State had bullet wounds. The government acknowledged that soldiers armed with live ammunition were present at the Lekki Toll Gate. At year’s end the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Inquiry and Restitution continued to hear testimony and investigate the shooting at Lekki Toll Gate. https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/nigeria/

Itohanprefa:
[s][/s] The whole embarrassment should be yours, Your Ooni claimed his ancestors in Ife were igbos led by Obatala and even connected some yoruba festivals to this igbos but i'm the one that should be embarrassed? .... Alright i understand you need to mask your pain

Ah I just noticed this is the same Imbecilic guy hellraiser or whatever the moniker is
No wonder this one can't comprehend anything

They contributed money to buy fuel to burn a man based on allegation but they can't contribute money to feed o

And some southerners want to keep sharing a country with these people ruling you

Itohanprefa:
Yoruba dont have supreme monarch?.....well you need to take that out with Tao11, he thinks otherwise

The Ooni of ife said a group of igbos led by Obatala was aboriginal to ife, Ooni said it no me

Ife history is not my history, why cant you yoruba brittle egos understand that?......I'm not connected to ife just like most Igbos Go to west of Niger those are the Igbos you are looking for.

Your Ooni is clearly not a brittle-ego like his subjects reason he can make bold assertions that rattle the status quo....Kabiyesi o Ooni

I'm still trying to understand how this is supposed to be a bad look for yorubas and how you manage to mock over something that is actually your own embarrassment damn these guys are dumb and so in need of a history, any history

Itohanprefa:
No its not embarrassing if its the supreme monarch of the Yoruba that started looking for yoruba culture in igbos, and even called the highest yoruba deity Obatala an igbo man

so who should be embarrassed ?

Yoruba don't have a supreme monarch. And nobody said Obatala is an igbo man

And even if someone did so you don't know your own history? You are destined to wait for someone to dish out part of their history to you? Lol

Kayouzka:
Deeds of such where expunged by some historian
Proves could be in terms of castrated eunuchs
Rev Samuel Johnson book mentioned that incest and beastiality where serious offense in ancient Yoruba and punishment could be emasculation. There was no where homosexuality was mentioned, could it be it wasn't present? no! If deviant acts such as incest and beastiality could be and was mentioned homosexuality must have been too, it could be that it wasn't characterised more as an offence in ancient Yoruba after all it said " where there is law there is crime" for since punishment of homosexual was never mentioned spelt more that it wasn't seen as much of an offence until islamic,Christianity and European rules arrived.

macof:
Yoruba have no record of homosexuality

Not saying it did not exist, but no record so that renders your sentence invalid

read what I posted here

All this unnecessary argument just to find a way to imply "homosexuality wasn't seen as much of an offence until islamic,Christianity and European rules arrived"
Lol
More like homosexuals could not dare allow it be known that they indulge in such things

EzeNri:
The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi recently opened a longstanding debate about the relationship between the Igbo and the Yoruba, and did affirm that the Igbo were ancient inhabitants of Ife.

The Ooni’s asserts that the ancient Igbo connections to Ife is still evident in the traditions preserved in the oral narratives of Ife itself, and in the extant lineages of the Igbo still present in their habitations inside the Ooni’s palace. The Igbo quarters are still present in Ife. What the Ooni brings to this debate is legitimacy, because Yoruba tradition confers the authority of national memory on the office of the Ooni.

The Ooni in a sense validates the accounts of the eminent Nigerian historian and anthropologist, the late Professor Ade Obayemi.

Obayemi accounts for a first pavement of culture in what is now known as the cradle of Yoruba origin, but which was once originally settled by the Igbo led by Obatala.

The Igbo were the original inhabitants of Ife and had installed, and practiced a culture based on their ancient Odinala religion of peace, of the divine rights of the individual and not of kings, of the protection and validation of the weak and infirm, of an artistic and creative value rather than of war and destruction. All these values are embodied in the myth of Obatala the sculptor and creative “demiurge” of current Yoruba mythology.

And of course of he also models the value of the Republic over the monarchy. The Igbo had been marked by the multiplicity of their settlements in Ile-Ife which the Igbo know by its more ancient name as “Igbo-Omoku.” As a matter of fact, Obatala was a High Priest in the mold of the Igbo priesthood, like the Eze Nri, and aspects of this priestly function was absorbed by the Ooni who equally then also absorbed the monarchical order that replaced the Igbo republican order of the Obatala era.

The current Ile-Ife is therefore a hybrid system between the displaced Igbo culture and the settler order that replaced it. The war over Ife between the Igbo and the new wave of migrants to Ife was over two different ways of life: the freedom associated with the Republic or the order and control associated the monarchy.

Obatala’s group was defeated, and was driven into exile, and scattered into places including as far as Ketu, and places as far as what we call Dahomey and Togo today. The republic disappeared and the monarchy as embodied by Oduduwa replaced it.

The rivalry between the Igbo and the Yoruba continue to mirror this. The wars the Igbo levied consistently against the new settlers is preserved and enacted even today in the Yoruba Egungun festivals, the Oreluere, the Obameri, the Moremi and the Edi festivals. The eminent modernist playwright, Femi Osofisan, gives a new sheen to it in his play, Morountodun, based on the Moremi myth.

The Egungun festival is preserved as the Yoruba Festival of liberation from the marauding and masked Igbo “Egwugwu warriors. The Obatala festival celebrates the canonization of the era of peace as embodied by Obatala and the Igbo, at a time of national regret, years later, when the Yoruba began to rue the tyranny of Kings in their new order, and regret the loss of the period of peace and creativity of the old order represented by the Igbo.

They turned and memorialized the leader of the Igbo, Obatala, into a god, and the period of Igbo culture as the highest moment of creative fluorescence in the Yoruba world.

The Ifa preserves this for us. And to this day, the Yoruba inhabit two souls: there is the fiercely republican Yoruba, many of whom find close affinity with the Igbo, and there is the Yoruba monarchist, who fiercely defends the settled order of kings.

But that is as far as the Ooni’s knowledge of the Igbo situation in Ife goes.

There is an alternative narrative tradition that says the Igbo themselves in their wave of migration following Amadioha’s destruction of the ancient world met an even older settlement in Ife of people whom they absorbed and protected and introduced to a settled and peaceful way of existence.

The Ooni suggests that the Igbo moved from Ile-Ife to their current settlements in Igbo land.

That is not true. In fact archeological evidence proves that a place like Igbo-Ukwu is a much older settlement than Ife. So in fact, in current Igbo historiography, and assessment of their movements, Ife is a newer settlement of the Igbo, and may have been part of a wave of migration leading to a pavement of Igbo history following an ancient catastrophe.

There are many hypothesis of these settlements, and there is no doubt that the Yoruba and the Igbo are close and related. The language and the cultural patterns suggest points of very recent contacts and break-offs.

The Idu – the Benin – is the medial culture between the Igbo and the Yoruba. Indeed, the Benin suggest that Izoduwa was Oduduwa, and they know precisely when he left Ani-Idu (Benin City). So, who indeed are these people? There is the Nok hypothesis which suggests a coagulation that broke off at the Niger-Benue valley, with the Jukun, the Igbo, the Yoruba and the Igala, and possibly the Idu, moving apart into their current settlements.

There is the Igbo-Nupe-Yoruba hypothesis of a movement from Egypt, through the crags of Air, that settled in their current locations.

Indeed, two studies published by the English colonial anthropologist, M.D.W. Jeffreys, “The Winged Solar Disk, or the Ibo Itchi Scarification Marks” (1951), and “A Triad of gods in Africa,” (1972) explore and affirm these links, and the possible Egyptian origin of the Igbo, and their worship of the Sun god.

The Igbo still call their first-born sons, “Opa- RA” (priest of the Sun-God, RA). MDW Jeffreys identifies in the symbols of the “Ichi” scarifications carved into the forehead and cheeks of the Igbo titled aristocracy, Ndi Nze, the “sun, moon and the wings and tail of the hawk” and the ram-headed symbol of the “Ikenga,” as associated with ancient Egypt, particularly the winged solar disk symbol of Pharaoh Usertsen III.

The Igbos dispersed in great numbers from their ancient habitations by the Atlantic in search of new habitations. Obatala and his group settled in Ife.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/ooni-of-ife-and-the-igbo-yoruba-relationship/

Doesn't it feel sort of embarrassing to desperately look for yourself in other people's history?
First with Jews, now with Yorubas

Hotice085:
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Clan can't come before village and Nation

Villages are made up same stock of people under a chief, these villages are all under a clan chief

There's no rule to it.

Even an entire village can be just a tribe, and an entire tribe just a village

Kayouzka:
Bisi alimi no be record?

you are obviously just mischievous because you know very well what "record" means in the context

I'm talking of historical figures which is what you responded to

Felabarmudia:
Lamurudu is part of yoruba history...
What am sure of is that we migrated from somewhere.

Nope. That name does not feature in any Yoruba traditional setting. No oriki, no mention in anyone else's oriki, no ojubo or house in connection to this person as with typical Yoruba historical figures

And actually using common sense since we have established that "Lamurudu" entered Yoruba language through a sahelian language corrupting "Nimrud" we can tell that the whole Lamurudu tale is of no significance to Yoruba early history. At best we can only use it to examine the elements of 18th and 19th century yorubaland and how yorubas of that time interacted with northern Muslims.

Let me try to further explain to you why the Lamurudu thing is nonsensical.
Nimrud who is the original inspiration to Lamurudu is actually mythical/legendary not an actual person who we can historically trace.

A step further, the Arabs actually copied their Nimrud legend from Mesopotamia, the Hebrews also told a tale about him using the name "Nimrod" you can find this in genesis. Who this Nimrud or Nimrod really was nobody knows but historians theorise that this myth/legend of both Arabs and Hebrews were inspired by a possibly historical mesopotamian King who must have reigned over a sumerian center around 2000 BC

Thereby rendering any Islamic innovative tale of Oduduwa being the son of Nimrud King of Mecca inconsistent and illogical

You need to understand that yoruba history doesn't exist in a vacuum. The details must fit world history

scholes0:
Igbo is the oldest of the YEAI Languages followed by Edo proven by WHOM?

Just pulling out things from your bare butt I see.... where exactly in Kogi was getting too dry? Laughable.
The spread of Yoruboid languages is far larger than those of Igboid languages. Common sense only suggest that they must have been moving around within West Africa for longer.

the imbecilic fellow said Kogi was getting too dry.. With two massive rivers flowing within it o. Soon the coast will also be dry

The same guy was on the proto-igbo thread where two sensible igbo educators were analysing the spread and characteristics of the igbo dialects yet he learnt nothing

Hotice085:
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Man-Family-Village-Clan-Tribe-Ethnic-Nation

Clan can also come before village, and Nation(country) before ethnicity

Felabarmudia:
Who is lamurudu?

A name that obviously entered Yoruba language through some sahelian language spoken by some of the earlier Muslim preachers in Yorubaland could be songhai, fulbe or even hausa

Lamurudu is supposed to be what the Arabs call Nimrud
A legendary/mythical figure probably based on some ancient sumerian priestking

Kayouzka:
Homosexuality has nothing to do with culture, it a human act just like all others and that is why all race in the world has recorded such activities or similar types of such activities before modern times.

Yoruba have no record of homosexuality

Not saying it did not exist, but no record so that renders your sentence invalid

Gireiboy:
Did you just say;ordinary Boko Haram the second most dangerous terrorist group in the world. Come to think; do you guys have the mind to strap bombs to your body.

Boko Haram is nothing compared to an organised state run military, it shows that the Nigerian army is incompetent and cannot secure the state from foreign aggression if it cannot even stop terrorists within

And they want to stupidly start another war against the south?
Watch all southerners leave the Nigerian army further weakening the already incompetent institution

There's no way around this, to use military force is to box the idea of one Nigeria into a quick checkmate