₦airaland Forum

EBK2: The love of God is this: He sent His only Don to die for you and me. Living free with nature is nothing. Animals live free with nature but they are not object of God's love.

I don't know about anybody sending his son do die for anybody. I didn't send anybody message, the man just sent his son to die for nothing.
Ok since nature is nothing pls kill yourself because your very life is nature.
Animals are like you and me, they have somethings we have. And have somethings we don't

EBK2: Believe in The Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. You and your household

We are already saved we don't need a dead Jew.

larrymoore: African traditional religion or culture would ve been more brutal than any terrorist group. It has no biding principle, all we shall be witnessing is ritual and there. Would ve been more and deadly manipulations.

rubbish!
So you love terrorist and holy war? Killing millions in the name of Allah and Yahweh?
You love that right? May God give you wat you want and serve your entire family the same dish.
Rubbish!

[quote author=senor_ova]With all due respect, the so called cultural practises had its own shortcomings.
I'll list them for you.
1)It endorsed sacrificing of humanS to deities
2)Slaughtering of twins and banishment of the bearer(I wonder what they did to triplets if twins were slaughetereD)
3)Lawlessness and injustice
4)Slavery
5)Polygamy and poverty.
Just to menTion a few.[/quote]Pls you don't just make assumptions, these are pure lies and you should desist from them.
1. Pls mention one deity that you know people give human sacrifice? If you can't give a name and substantive proof then you don't know wat you saying. When you address this I'll take it further.
2. In the whole of Africa, Calabar people were the only ones famous for killing twins. If you know any other ethnic group that killed twins pls give a name and proof. I truly say that Yoruba have never in known history sacrificed twins.
3. Pure lies, Ogun might strike you for this statement because it indirectly saying that Ogun is incompetent. Ogun is God of justice and his patrons are officers of the law. In those days we had unwritten constitutions which were integrated with our traditions, infact Laws make up the tradition. It's really a show of stupidity and ignorance to claim a whole continent operated without rules and punishment. Are you really thinking at all? Do you think before the creation of christianity and Islam people just did anything in their country
4. You disappoint me, Slavery? Seriously? So Abraham didn't keep slaves? Yahweh encouraged slavery, and rich Arabs are known for keeping slaves around the house. Our African slaves were always treated as distant members of the family, free in the house and the unwritten constitution system protected their rights. You should go and ask the old men in your village how slaves usually became prime ministers and head of districts after gaining freedom. Unlike the white men cruel slavery which they used your Bible to rest their claim on.
5. Polygamy is not bad, Abraham was polygamous, worse with his wife's slave. Indirect Polygamy still happens even in Europe-all the divorce and remarry after 3kids. Polygamy kept our women in check and stopped the men from screwing around. Only your legitimate wives were liable to be straffed and not like now that everyone is tasting all the fish before purchase.
Poverty is so insignificant with this topic. Poverty is everywhere. Those days only men who could take care of wives were given wives

On the other hand, Religion has in its own unique way brought an end to this barbaric way of life, of course religion has its own shortcomings too

Pls point how your ancestors were babaric? Everyone is Babaric in his way. Advancement in Civilization and approved cultures and traditions don't just drop on peoples head, it takes relationship and interactions with other civilizations, in my eyes Arabia and all of the middle east is babaric.

But that is not to say it has done more harm than good. I understand the poster's point of view, but I think you are being myopic. Our so called cultural values made us goddamn illiterates with little hope of a future.

Japan is illiterate right? China is illiterate? You think religion determines civility or literacy? Your Jesus and most of his disciples were damned pupers who couldn't read or write. The Arabs were mere desert people who lived disgustingly eating camel intestine.

Religion however has brought education, enlightment, technology, organisation, and all sorts.

now I know that you are the real illiterate and Even a mumu. How can be attributed to religion?
Education exists in all societies, if you idea of education is Bible study then I can agree with you but still see you as one low minded fella.
Which enlightenment? Explain because they only thing religion brought was brainwash and brain damage to our people.
Technology? I think you missing religion with interactions- that is business trade between Europeans and Africans.
Organization is the dumbest thing you brought here. Pls explain this

Of a truth, religion(especially islam) supports the "holywar" (jihad). I wouldn't know why, but I do know that millions of moslems don't partake in this because they don't believe in shedding innocent blood.

A blinded fool you are, You accuse Africans of spilling blood without proof and now try to cover your masters in the middle east. What about The millions they have killed and the millions they are still killing in present times?

Africa has been known to be a wicked, crooked, corrupt,biased, continent mainly as a result of the pagan practices its indigenes indulged in before westernization.

These are baseless lies. Lies from the evil poo called Bible and Quran. Pagans are not evil, we live like any regular human adhering to the rules of the land. Corruption started with all these Christian and Muslim politicians.
If we they stop making oaths by Bible and Quran and swear by Ogun instead I bet you corruption would stop.
Bias? Was this not what christianity and Islam Brought to separate our people and conquer us by dementalizing and brainwashing our people. Giving them threats of hell and causing religious lines to be drawn among our people.

I quite agree that religion has its flaws... But it has done africa a lot of good much more than harm

Lies from a demon.

There's crisis in Egypt not because of religion, but because of the long existing thirst for blood in the average african man imbued by the engagement in barbaric cultural customs.
I believe in cultural values, but I do not accept its privileges.

May Ogun attack you for your lies. Africa has been peaceful and doing fine without religion. You have not made any sense at all, you simply Hate Africa and have been spreading lies and evil accusations, you are an Enemy, a big evil lying demon

All I can say is the Bible is highly corrupted the original story was told by ancient Canaanites. They attributed many Gods with the creation but the prominent agent was El Elyon. I was had a book about Baal Haddad- a canaanite God who formed humans

Deep Sight: Really?

Can you tell me know "stone age" men could have known this -

Job 26:7 - "He spreads out the Northern Skies over empty space, He suspends the Earth over nothing."

In answering, do some light research on what most ancients thought the "foundations" of the earth were rooted in.

Many ancient civilization knew the earth was suspended on nothing.
Many also knew the ultimate importance of the Sun
Many also knew about the light spark that driggered creation.
Many explained creation in details
The Bible creation story is not complete and totally correct. No source can claim that not even modern science

EvilChapterz: we see people like you everyday, there are enough prove already in the world to make a man believe heaven and hell truly exists,

where d proof

If the 666 religion is so so interested in bringing down the catholic faith, Mehn, that shows being a cathlic is even a blessing, it seems to be the only religion that keeps Jesus ways alive!

WTF is 666 religion?

Better believe in hell and save your soul! Ignorance is more dangerous than AIDs

so if he believes in hell he won't go there?
Why can't you realize the stupidity of this comment?

They're countless philosophers and great scientists who believe in the existance of hell, your just here running your over nothing!

pls proof

Becarefull on how knowledge influence you

Enemy of knowledge and,progress

EvilChapterz: Some Common Fools

Listen lemme tell you something you don't know, stay away from your native doctor and throw away your charms, i sense your tired of being poor, tired of acting Good, your tired of heavenly race, so now all you do is hang on the web like spider man looking for links to convince christians there's no God!

If theres no God that means theres no Devil, but if you claim satan dosn't exist can you explain the ways of african rituals and blood money? How they operate with black magic, can you describe how your brain reacts!


The Big Bang Theories are lies masterfabricated by scientists to twist humans away from God, but everyman to his own belief! But better repent now, if your worshiping a stone, keep worshiping it and let us Be. . . .

Rituals Blood money Have you seen one before? What if that is only a silly rumor and Nollywood show?

you need not believe everything you see on TV or read in books published 1611

Have you ever seen someone worship a stone?

Adedayo layo: Heaven is real, hell is equally real. Truly God is love but hell is real. It is designed for the ungodly.

Pls bring forth proof or forever hold your zip
But then if you choose to believe hell, oda be Your hell is waiting for you

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]kip lafing. f00L.[/quote]It seems this guy is trolling you

[quote author=tammy_y2k1]Are you sure Adam and Eve didnt have daughters? Cos i know dey had 2.
".11 When the days of nursing the children were ended, Eve again conceived, and when her days were accomplished she brought forth another son and daughter; and they named the son Abel, and the daughter Aklia.
12 Then at the end of forty days, Adam made an offering for the son, and at the end of eighty days he made another offering for the daughter, and did by them, as he had done before by Cain and his sister Luluwa."[/quote]Oh Really? From wat book is that? Tanakh, Torah, Talmud or Quran

khowman: your this argument is something meaningless and has no effect on any thing, if effct it is on your own soul not eny one els.
but it is not a falt at all, because you including other christions and jews have not completed the God's mission in the middle. we muslim belive all prophets including moses jesus jecub and all others, as well as............ we belive all divine books including bibel, torah.... so muslim come to the conclusion of God's mission, we never be a good muslim untill we believe said prophets and divine books as islam teach us, the holy book quran is not some thing different and islam itself is not some different these are all conclusion of previous books and teaching of phophets. it is what you are avoiding to know and never trying to understand and making it a joke........ :-(
your this argument is something meaningless and has no effect on any thing, if effct it is on your own soul not eny one els.
but it is not a falt at all, because you including other christions and jews have not completed the God's mission in the middle. we muslim belive all prophets including moses jesus jecub and all others, as well as............ we belive all divine books including bibel, torah.... so muslim come to the conclusion of God's mission, we never be a good muslim untill we believe said prophets and divine books as islam teach us, the holy book quran is not some thing different and islam itself is not some different these are all conclusion of previous books and teaching of phophets. it is what you are avoiding to know and never trying to understand and making it a joke........ :-(
your this argument is something meaningless and has no effect on any thing, if effct it is on your own soul not eny one els.
but it is not a falt at all, because you including other christions and jews have not completed the God's mission in the middle. we muslim belive all prophets including moses jesus jecub and all others, as well as............ we belive all divine books including bibel, torah.... so muslim come to the conclusion of God's mission, we never be a good muslim untill we believe said prophets and divine books as islam teach us, the holy book quran is not some thing different and islam itself is not some different these are all conclusion of previous books and teaching of phophets. it is what you are avoiding to know and never trying to understand and making it a joke........ :-(

why u no fit modify this post? mtcheww
Since you believe all the divine revelations of God. Why don't you believe Ifa?

itsrandeeboi: There is some truth in what you say but it does not apply universally. For one, not everybody that does not profess God hates God. Second, considering how many Christians there are in Nigeria who apparently "love God", you would imagine that our country would be much better than it is now. The average Nigerian is corrupt in spite of all our "God love" and pretty much all of us are selective about how we love God.

What i've come to understand about people who were once mainstream christians but have now shunned mainstream christianity is that they have realized how modern day Christianity has confused God, who God is and how God wants to relate with human beings and have created a God that is judgemental, hateful and practically impossible to live by his rules. The fact is that God is not as difficult as many people make him and the gospel of fear being preached by many is not what God wants. Jesus came to spread the "good news" not the "fear news". We human beings just looooooove to make things hard for ourselves so we make God look even more demanding and judgemental because we feel that is how God should be using our human mentality.

You speak well.
All the atheist I know are very good people who act right but just can't deal with Jesus and Bible crap. Heck Christianity doesn't mean holiness, far from it, millions of Christians around the world are horrible hypocrites.
Before christianity people have lived in glory, you can't possibly think before your so called good news came to yorubaland, my ancestors were all going hell. Pls anyone who believes that has something wrong in the head

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ ^

Welcome back bro. I hope the next one won't be 12 days

Thanks
it's all up to mynd, hopefully he'll caution people to stop insulting Orisha and The ancestors

Image123: Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

most gods are the works of men. i know God is God for many reasons, one is because He is true and has saved me.

I don't know how this makes sense to you. But if You think some Gods can be created by men then I fear you have lost ur senses.
Fastest way of becoming an atheist is listening to people like you

Image123: Dunno about allah saving anybody. i'm told(even by mazaje) that muslims simply do not know if they are saved. It is left for allah to decide at the end whether they will be saved or not. That end has not come.
The older language folks are not atheists, what is your point?Can atheists perform Moses' tricks whatever that is?

Answer his question.
Were the Egyptians serving a God or not?

peterphd: True only to yoruba history and literature same for the bible (Jewish literature)

You right though, even the Hebrew ancestors knew there were other Gods and El Elyon was the supreme, Yahweh was a mountain God.
The Bible is a corrupted book

Image123: Who is this Jewish god? If you're referring to Jehovah, He is the Lord and Creator of all. BTW, have atheists stopped doubting the existence of a creator or wetin be "you say". i don't know who is olodumare. i would not be surprised though if it is yet another of Jehovah's names. In that case, He created all things.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wikI/Olódùmarè
Now you know Olodumare

mazaje: Another contradiction in the bible , eh?. . .

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

From there is no god but me to i am the god of gods or the best of the gods. . .

like Someone said "Bible is a book that turns people to crazy idiots"

Image123: John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Including planet Saturn which happens to be the symbol of The Greek God Cronus?
I doubt that your Bible knew anything about outer space

Mzsolex: enforced you say?, if 1/4 of these things are enforced you think you'll still be who you are now... Ofcourse there's freewill, reason why a xtrian won't force xtianity down ur throat(that is not thesame 4 a particular religion). @homosexuallity, ]b]even a Sango worshipper will frown at that one.[/b] It has a lot 2 do wit morality than wit religion. Lemme ask you this question, can you hold down a human and slit his throat?

Wrong! Spirituality doesn't determine your way of life neither does it dictate how to live it. tradition does.
A Sango worshiper to me doesn't have be Yoruba, because Sango is For All.
Understanding him is what makes the difference, As Germans call Sango Thor, Igbo call him Amadioha. Sango exists everywhere in every pagan society.
now to tradition- homosexual is a taboo in Yoruba customs but in Most parts of Europe it is not.
Now an European Sango worshipper(who calls Sango another name) would not have anything against homosexuality because their tradition allows it.

POPE II: point out for us where:

God said Africans or black people are superior to white/western?.......> racism

God said tall men will make it to the heaven and short Ones won't ? ...discrimination

In few words show us the racism and discriminations you are talking about .

Am sure you have reading problems. If u can't see the uselessness of Jehovah and Jesus in Africa from those verses than you need a brain check

Image123: No contradiction. There is one God and many gods. Beside God, there is no other God. Would be stunning if you understand this line.

There is nothing like gods or God
All are Gods

Image123: No, He's not Jewish or any tribe. He is Lord of heaven and earth.

Read your Bible probably, Yahweh is made to look like a racist evil demon father of the Hebrews

peterphd: Same way olodumare is universal.he created the world.just ask macof

True
Olodumare is the Great Creator above All Gods- others are his heavenly children including Yahweh

[quote author=weed-taker]Because they want you to know that they are truly worshiping God and not that native doctor that you think they are worshiping. [/quote]Who worships native doctor

Mzsolex: now it's obvious you've lost it... Where on this forum did i ever say there's no Zeus, I don't know dat thing I don't wan't to and I don't give a f.uck about it existence.

Y'all just frustrated mofo's. #peacez

Actually you know Zeus but don't just know that it's Zeus.
Go outside and look at the sky especially towards the top a mountain that's were Zeus lays sustaining the earth from above

vizkiz: Only a FOOL wuld look in2 d heavens n say there is no God...Only MAD MAN wuld look in2 d sea n say dt d fishes are a mistake...even d babalawo can testify that there is only one Jehovah. So who r u 2 tell me dt my God no dey exist?

Pls stop your dumb fingers from typing this rubbish next time.

Babalawo have no business with Jehovah
Orunmila baba Ifa is the patron of All Babalawo
And Yes Your skydaddy god doesn't exist

Atigba: i intend asking the same question,there is a colleague of mine who doesnt believe in God, majority of people in my office hate him for that but he is nice.He is the most truthful and sincere person i have ever come across in my life..All the religions people in my office steal government money he is the only one that believed in doing the right thing i love him for that.

Goodness is of the heart(not literal), The most religious Christians are horrible hypocrites who are far from what they preach.
A God is not responsible for Your deeds, only You are, and all deeds are recorded and rewarded by the Universe itself. It's wise to always exchange and interact with positive energies while trying to keep your world in balance with good character. Bad deeds only destroy the soul(not literal)

Image123: Google is still free in case you cannot read a koran. Try
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090830185320AAtaIxt

also, try http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/muhammad_salvation.html

That is just to start with. You can do your research. What makes a believer not corrupt as an unbeliever is that the blood of Jesus has washed him and made him a new man. Its like formatting a corrupt file, or using an antivirus.

Smh this is really sad and degrading for the human brain to give this kind of output

Alexk2: I dont think angry is the correct word, bro....itz 'pity' d fellow.
talking from experience, i pity whoever think/blv there is no God.
how can u watch the intelligent design of the earth and all itz skies, the plants and man and still think there is no intelligent brain(God) behind all that...'a fool say to themselves, there is no God' psalm 14:1...

By 'God' you should first understand that it/they are not of human nature or physic but unseen forces that sustain the universe. Many of you Abrahamics are so into this 'skydaddy' thing that intelligent people can't take you seriously.
True God doesn't have a brain, leg, hand or butt to sit on a throne.
These are mere personified figures to give meaning and better understanding of the universe especially in the Old days as this method made it easier to explain creation and nature.

Your Bible God doesn't exist, and until you realize that No God choses a people above others, or originates from the middle east or begats a human child you might never know Who God truly is. And you would keep living an illusion