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Joshthefirst: my God is none of those; and it is these puerile and pathetic false notions of the Christian God based on mockery that annoys me the most.

Please let us not derail this wonderful thread. Open a new thread, or better yet, read the attributes of God in the bible. He was not just the God of men, he claimed to be the creator of the universe. The Starter, the finisher, the beginning, the end, the first, the last. The cause, the Almighty. The source, the self-existent, pre-existent being. Behind the seemingly simple words of the bible are a wealth of intellectual and philosophical and spiritual knowledge that a right-thinking man would not dismiss so easily.

No need for long yarns...

So this ur God is not a skydaddy living in space but he can be seen and also has organic features like regular living organism...where does he live?

@Josh explain few things to me as you answer this question
1. is ur god a skydaddy living in the clouds or space
2. Or Is ur god an unseeable entity without organic features whatsoever

harbiola1: You've to stop throwing this at people.

Truth shouldn't be hidden

rudedough: [size=10pt]Shouldn't you be ashamed of yourself? I'm an Atheist but I've read your bible but you're a Christian and you know much less about your bible and religion. You don't even know that your God accepts human sacrifices like Ogun and Amadioha.

Actually Ogun and Amadioha don't accept human blood.
None of their devotees are into human sacrifice.

Ogun accepts only dogs and goats

OLAADEGBU: "WARNING: Exposure to the Son may prevent burning!"

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The main thing preventing tithes in judaism is dat only priest from the tribe of Levi were allowed to collect tithes, today the tribe of Levi is scattered and extinct.

#Jesus came for the lost tribes of Israel

I still wonder wat concerns a Nigerian pentecostal pastor with tithes when he isn't from the tribe of Levi

Bimpe 29: Allahu Akbar! The One that creates, in a fashion He likes.

Bimpe pls leave the Arab God alone

Oluwatola5: Hello!!! Tradition and paganism are intertwined. Using yourself as a typical example, you belong to the Oduduwa(should i say team, fan or disciples) and i am so sure of it that you will gladly accept their ''traditions'' hook, line and sinker. So why trying to seperate it now Was it not out of superstitious beliefs that twins were killed them? Now i ask, as a traditionalist that i believe you are, are you putting it straight to me now that you dont believe in superstition If you do, them believe it or not, the killing of twins belonged to your domain, it may have been stopped now, but it existed once upon a time....

Are we talking about the tradition of a people or the worship system aka religion? Because they are two different aspects of humanity you can't blame one upon the other

Besides I explained killing of twins weren't out of wickedness but FEAR, When you see a strange animal in ur house wat do u want to do it? Kill it and rid urself from any possible danger

And I told u killing of twins have nothing to do with Yoruba so why bring up the bold. And by the way I feel I don't need to tell you this seeing that you are Yoruba...even though you wish to be a disgrace to ur ancestors and become a prodigal by slaving urself to Jewish masters you should at least know heritage.

And by saying "superstition" you realize that those people couldn't be blamed, superstition is mostly driven by fear and the need to avoid dangers by not taking any risks.

Again show me how killing of twins has anything to do with Paganic worship? Wat God told calabar people to kill twins for he loves twin blood?

Your ignorance is very clear

The Bible is the greatest enemy of christianity.
Those who have really read the Bible know wat I mean, the Bible would convince you on how and why you shouldn't take it(Bible) seriously.

It's a book that explains and rats out all the Christian BS u hear in churches by pastors who deceive and are only in it for ur tithes and "sow a seed".

It's one of the best books in the world no doubt as it has some history, spirituality, moral and secrets reveled

The Bible would make you realize that Israel is/was/never God's chosen people but just ancient Israelis high on racist dunk

The Bible would make a sharp and intelligent fellow realize that Half of wat prophets and Bible characters did were not God inspired but devil inspired...well a twist could be in the mix if you know wat I mean

The Bible would open ur eyes to see the wickedness of Yahweh and see the love of satan...seriously you would love satan if you believed he was real but I don't know who could believe christian satan exist after thorough study of the Bible

After personal study of the Bible, here is my resolve on satan's true identity: He is God's most beloved son, a high member of the heavenly council, without him there is no God that is why God can't do anything to satan

Lucifer is not satan, satan was never cast out of heaven...Lucifer isn't even a Hebrew word, it's Latin meaning "morning star" I don't know where the idea of Lucifer= Satan came from

Satan has been Gods Faithful messenger never doing wat he isn't instructed to do

Satan loves those who love God

Satan is Gods adviser and also an adviser of men

Satan has never killed

Satan has never lied....yes the Adam and eve saga wasn't a lie, and also I wonder when serpents became satan...some say revelations 12:9 has explained the mystery of the serpent but really? Because even if we agree that satan was the serpent how do we explain Gods punishment against serpents? Wouldn't that mean God punished an innocent specie? Not just one but to continue from that generation to eternity; modern snakes are suffering wat they knew nothing about

OLAADEGBU: You believe that the Sun God is your Lord?

The Sun is everybody's Lord

Do u know wat you gain from the awesome power of the Sun God? It's not about worship but merely recognition

I expect u to understand that

plaetton: Believe me sir, You are in no position whatsoever to define christianity for the catholic.
Everything , I mean everything you think you know about christianity came from the Roman catholic church.
So no matter how many fragments, no matte how many twists that are given to Christianity, The Catholic church is the mother church and the bona fide definer of what christianity is.

Whether all your treasured little beliefs are true or fiction, they know it, and you don't.

Got it right sir plaetton.

catholism is the mother of everything Christian
U owe ur Bible to them
You owe the very existence of christianity to them

Christianity would have been a thing of history classes if not for the catholic church who believed in the power of Jesus- even though it was mostly political

Pastor Olu T: I dont have anything against them also n I understand ur point, my stance is that they could call it something else n not claim to believe what is contrary to Christianity.

Believe me when I tell you dat the pope and all catholic heads have no regard for old testament...it's none of their business, the only reason why they have it in their Bible and deny some of their practices is because of many anti-catholic/anti Roman Christians who fell out of order and went against the church.

The creation of other denominations recognized the God of Israel- this is something a strong catholic hates to hear because God is not for a people but for all people.

I expect catholism to be kicked out of Africa and have Afrokristic religion for those overly devote Christians who would never leave their man-God

This christian denomination would have our African Gods(amadioha, ogun, yemoja etc.) in place of saints and have Our supreme Gods(chukwu, Olodumare etc.) in place of Jehovah
I swear if my kids want to convert to this religion I would let them but "white God, white Jesus, African Gods are demons, Israel is holy land" is what I would never tolerate

I mean seriously Israel holy land Those folks hate u Christians and allow ur pilgrimage only for the money. Jesus is their greatest asset.

tpia1: I am sure you have read the bible account before.

You saw where it was clearly stated God created heaven and earth and also made the first clothing because of Adam's sin.

Is Bible God a tailor?

Mark Miwerds: The judgment passed upon Egypt was a result of Pharaoh's decree that the firstborn of Israel would be killed. God's people were in bondage. He had given Pharaoh multiple chances to simply say, "Go, take your people and worship your God." But Pharaoh hardened his heart against God.

Why would God kill all the firstborn of Egypt? Because they were just as sinful as their prideful leader was. Not one was "innocent." They all were corrupted with sin... yes, even the infants. Years later, King David concurred that all were born in sin.

Now I see you Christians just twist the Bible to suit ur needs.

The very Bible stated that God hardened the mind of pharaoh. doesn't God have the power to do anything, must ur Bible God kill and taste innocent blood before he gets things done?

Couldn't he have softened the mind of pharaoh instead he hardened it to cause a fight

rationalmind: lol, muslims also claim to experience Allah. Macof said he has experienced Osun. Whatever reasons you have for not accepting them, consider it a reason not to accept yours.

Make i no derail the thread.
#silently following#

Actually All humans have experienced Osun including you...I can't type much right now so pls try to read and understand this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshun


Pls Note that the part where Osun was referred to as a member of creation got her mistaken with her mother Yemoja

Oluwatola5: Ok, and the killing of twins back then was done by who I bet you know the answer as everyone else here so please stop making it sound like any religion has been perfect since its inception, of course there are always bad eggs from time to time so you dont need to judge other religion now.

Killing of twins has nothing to do with religion; it's tradition, back then people killing twins was out of fear because they thought twins were too strange to be a good thing.

And it was not done universally many cultures have a high place for twins eg. Yoruba and Edo, twins to these traditionalist are beautiful gifts from the Gods, we even have a deity that parents honor if they wish for twins(Orisha Ibeji)

Killing of twins have never been regarded as Religious or Godly Service, Give me the name of the God they were sacrificing the twins to if you know wat you are saying.
There's a difference between Religion, Culture, Tradition and language.

At least I can swear by Ifa that killing of twins is not and was never part of my ancestors.

All these things they taught u in school about Mary slessor is BS because she never lived anywhere outside Calabar...abi is Calabar now used to compare the whole world

mollie12: Oh come on!

All the days of the week were named to honor idols. Even the Saturday you are hyping is to named to honor Saturn-Saturnalia-Satan.

As Christians, our worship of God is not tied to the day meanings as that would be bowing to the weak, beggarly elements of the world we are in.

This claim of yours has been repeated often, but it has several errors. Historical evidence points to the fact that early Christians used to meet on the first day of the week long before Constantine was even born. Some of this evidence is even in the book of Acts.

We have been given liberty to choose any day of the week to gather and worship God. We can do it every day gan sef!

And the Sunday worshippers have some biblical logic backing them - God started creation work on a Sunday, God the Son resurrected on a Sunday. So why not Sunday?

WTF! Why do u people like showing ur ignorance

Saturday has nothing to do with ur mythical satan
Saturday= Dies Saturni = Saturnis the Roman God of fatherhood, time, Soil and Agriculture

In ur Bible, sabbath is Saturday according to Jewish traditions as instructed by Moses. Paul usually practiced on Sundays but he was half Roman and grew up in a Persian territory where Sunday has always been the worship day. Paul himself was a Sun worshiper

Acidosis: You see, its funny...

Your bro walked down to church to drop his tithe. Pastor didn't come to his house to force the tithe out of his pocket, so why the demand for a refund?


Be sincere with yourself, when you give to anyone, needy, poor, friends, do you go back for a refund?

Keep on with the ridicule

So when it comes to refund, tithe is free-giving
But when you don't pay it becomes robbing (Christian)God. Smh

Abegi u better stop being hypocritical

Weselion: There was a war among christians and pagans while a particular king was rulling rome, so to settle the dispute he favoured the pagans who worship sun by fixing our worship day on sunday and then favoured the christians by putting God as the overall God. By so doing, he brougth some pagan worship into christianity, that was where the roman catholic started.

Borrowed from da vinci code

There was no war, constantine was the one who started the war himself by giving Christians authority and castigating the Roman heads who were pagans. He tried to gain favor from the Christians and made christianity a national religion alongside the various other pagan religions.

He himself was a pagan but used christianity to gain political power.
He was later given full authority over the Roman government and Military but still harassed the various pagan colonies of Rome with his [b]Soldiers of Christ[/b]He claimed Jesus was the power behind Rome's military success, when we all know that The Sun God has been the patron of The Roman military for some decades.

I think I read somewhere that he was devoted to Artemis(the Moon goddess) and still offered sacrifice in her honor.
The man wasn't even baptized until his last seconds on earth

Glory to Yemoja such a lovely baby

Sunday was/is/will always be the day of the Sun God.

Constantine was a damn good politician
He deceived many Christians and still doing so in death

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Yesterday he was having an argument with me, saying catholics are not worshippers of jesus, etc. ,etc and to call them so would be insulting to them and could call for a ban.

The funny part is when today a catholic comes on the Complaint thread and openly decalres jesus as his god.

When I ask Mynd_44 to explain this, he has no answer and instead hides all the posts.


What an ignorant tyrant.[/quote]Yh my post was hidden too

A Christian post something like "Jesus is the giver of life" and I posted "later mynd would say Christians don't put Jesus in the position of God"

Divepen: Thaz y i said holy christain

Wat da heck is holy Christian

I either Christian or u not

FOOL FINDER: Funny question: You know the don't celebrate Christmas thing is relatively new(not up to three centuries old),what happened to our Christian ancestors who celebrated it,they're in hell abi?

Use that same logic to answer this question

Wat happens to our pagan ancestors who didn't believe in Jesus, are they in hell?

Pastor Olu T: Not 'cos it did not suit my belief, bt for the fact that its so glaring. Ok if u claim to believe something n openly go contrary to the said belief by ur actions, is something not definitely wrong?

They claim to believe the bible which clearly forbids the bowing down to any graven image, so what would u say if u believe the bible?

You all realize that exodus 20 was as the Jewish laws, it's not universal, Initially The old testament wasn't part of catholism.

I don't expect Romans and Greeks to leave their culture for anything, heck they even mixed their paganism with christianity to form catholism which some are still a major in all Christian denominations

One good reason why I would never condemn Euro catholics is because in the face of trials and condemnation from the rising power and roman government interest in christianity, they simply reformed christianity to the best they could so as to suit their needs.
some of the reforms were
1. Use of "Amen" to seal prayers
2. Crucifix and cross sign
3. Rosary
4. Trinity
6. Christmas
7. Easter
8. veneration of saints
9. Use of idols
10. Honor of the virgin mother
11. The name Iezous which is Jesus in English writing
12. Sunday worship

All this 12 points above were originally Pagan practices in Rome and much of Europe so I don't have anything against them for being attached to their pre-Christian cultures.

Seun should have realized that something is wrong with mynd's moderating cause the complaints can't be for nothing

psky: Of course it's not working as planned, that mynd guy is a freaking tyrant. A tyrant who doesn't even know the meaning of the terms he uses. Can you imagine him calling me a troll, a troll for doing nothing but defending Alfa Seltzer and Pagan 9ja and challenging him to defend his actions against them. The glaring hypocrisy was when he hid wiegraf's comment for telling him he was the real troll. In all honesty he is a troll, According to the seventh definition of a troll in the urban dictionary those silly single emoticon posts should qualify him as one.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

And now he banned me for derailing. To derail is to go off topic, that is the complaints thread. Throughout my stay on that thread all I did was complain about his actions and his behaviour. Again he has applied the lazy method of preventing people questioning him by banning them.

But the most annoying thing is seun probably doesn't care about Alfa Seltzer and Pagan 9ja and other minorities. He visited the complaints thread yesterday, he saw the glaring injustice, but that's probably just how he wants it. He's building a section for closed minded, intolerant, extremely ignorant and orthodox sort of Christians. And as he is an atheist it's the last I would have ever expected of him. But maybe all he really cares about are his money and life.

That's how mynd works, he bans you for defending the cheated

Ishilove: Alfa's intent was to troll and Mynd intuited this perfectly. Alfa is an atheist who takes delight in shocking and offending Christians with his posts on satan worship. Heck, he doesn't believe in God and Satan, so he what the heck was he trying to do by complaining about Aji's thread?

And are u(or anyone) in the position to dictate his religious beliefs or disbelief?

Alfa is known satanist of the 3rd order, he strives to be satan-like so why should ajibam not be ban right now?

rationalmind: It appears alfa has been banned too

Ban? Seriously? For wat?

I read mynd threaten him when he(alfa) was asking some difficult questions

manmustwac: What am trying to say is that if he can ban someone for calling another member an animal, then you guys should report anytime someone calls you a fool idiot silly etc to make sure he acts & we have a level playing field

The guy feels too big to be advised or directed to do anything
Point out a post to him and if it isn't against his personal accord it won't get ban.

As Alfa said, insults are tolerated if the insulted is an enemy in/to the religion

for instance if albinos are outcasts in a religion, insults towards albinos are cool