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Pastor Olu T: Smile, my level of education is enough for me to understand the difference from DEFINITION and EMINENCE and IMPORTANCE. So which do u truly want, as definition or eminence and importance?

I asked u to define wat God is...u couldn't.

Ok I broke down the question to "describe his eminence and importance"

Wat do u think definition means?.

Atlantian: Nigeria did not exist before Jesus Christ......Ife people are daft to stay undeveloped for over 10 centuries. Idi0t.

I see people like u and pity ur mental condition

rationalmind: Good for you.

And I never told you I don't accept oral traditions to some extent. I only said I don't consider it reliable.

Let's look at this scenario, tradition tells us that lisabi delivered the people of egbaland from the oppressions from the old oyo empire. This is sensible.

Now, look at this one. Same tradition tells us lisabi didn't die but varnished into the earth in a forest. Is this sensible?

That is where I start having problems with oral traditions and its because of such reasons I can't trust it 100%

In the Bible. It was written Elijah entered heaven with a Chariot of fire horses.

It is also written that Jesus born of a virgin

Same Jesus died, resurrected and elevated gradually until he reached the sky and disappeared.

Now do you believe this because it was written and not passed through generations Orally?

Pastor Olu T: Smile, taking me serious? Its not about u taking me serious or not, the issue is I dont believe the way u believe so that alone is already an issue for u (though I will still want to continue reasoning with u, that is if u care?).

Coming to the issue of defining God, we cant define God bt can only understand Him as He reveals Himself to us as we continue in our relationship with Him. God is bigger than what u or I can ever grasp, if we place a definition on God then we tend to limit Him n put Him in a box. Then anything that dont fit into our concept of God we discard, this is the reason many dont believe in the supernatural 'cos their little mind cant comprehend all that. God is God if we can define Him, then He ceases to be. The problem with man from the onset is we wanting to bring God to our level (physical, carnal, sensual etc) of reasoning so we can comprehend Him at least, bt it doesnt work like that for we will rather move up to His level (spiritual), then we can at least grasp a bit of Him on this side of eternity n fully on the side of eternity.

WE CAN ONLY KNOW HIM AS WE CHOOSE TO BY MOVING CLOSER TO HIM THROUGH JESUS

Then you don't know God or god
If you can't give ur description of God's eminence and importance. If you don't know anything about God you can't know how to reach him

rationalmind: Na you know brother. All these are your SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS.

So, if I don't accept oral tradition as reliable, its the same as I don't know or haven't heard those oral traditions.

Do u believe them is the issue.

About 300yrs ago, No one had a pen and paper in yorubaland, it wasn't until the Arabs came that Oyo knew how important writing was.

calculation of items in farm stores and other things were all done without paper
History classes were done Oral by the elder to the little children.
The Yoruba people(at least our ancients) have this attitude of extreme love for their culture and as the saying goes "Odo to gbagbe Orisun re a gbe"
This was the motto of Yoruba people that always kept it necessary to know their origin.

Another one was "a man who doesn't know where he is coming from can never know where he is going to"

Oral history I trust

rationalmind: Can't you comprehend simple statements?

Anybody can come up with any interpretation. Is that too difficult for your brain to grasp?

Who cares whether christians agree with my interpretation, who do you think agrees with your twisting of a stupid story to mean the big bang.

To even show your silliness. The bible story is incomplete, its your obatala fable that is complete. What a doofus.

Abeg, shift

As I said before ur mentality is Christianised and u are not a true atheist because u still use Christianity to view every form of religion or spirituality.

Because ur brain has been so deep in believing skydaddy it's difficult for u to accept that skydaddy doesn't really exist in spirituality but just SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION

It's like u trying to give ur own interpretation of wat u know nothing about.

Christianity u know, now give interpretation if that could ever be possible for a Christianised mentality who can't see anything other than SKYDADDY SITTING ON A THRONE

That's wat is affecting u atheist on NL, you truly haven't grown in consciousness, you only choose to disbelieve for pride and rebellion sake for somethings you find illogical and lame.
Now am explaining this seemingly illogical thing to show u wat My ancestors meant when they created Skydaddy personification.

You just can't except that ancient men living in mud houses and caves were smart folks who had crack the universe open and found it's mysteries.
It's difficult for u to accept that philosophy didn't start with modern science.

You are an Egba do u know ur history? off course not, how would you when you think those cave men living under Olumo rock couldn't be trusted with oral history.

The fact is that you have self hate within you, and pride takes it to a whole new level.

I am waiting for anybody with sound knowledge of Yoruba paganism to prove me wrong

mahdino: That is the truth, at least even if I could not show u traces of Adam living there, I have showed u from your bible that Abraham and David were there, so what did u think? They were there just for child's play or just to mention? No they were there for pilgrimage (worship)

This guy is insane, how can Abraham go on pilgrimage to a God he left behind for Yahweh? David never even knew Allah, Yahweh was his God.

nnofaith: That is the problem i have with you, you cant be an atheist and be spiritual i repeat you cant be an atheist and be spiritual, being spiritual means believing and recognizing religious spirits. spirituality does not exist on its own its tied with religion. its like an atheist saying he believes in the xtian holy spirit or islamic jinns. as an atheist you can embrace the philosophy part of any religion. for instance i have embraced the ifa philosophy myself. Even when back then when i was a moslem i acknowledged and respected the philosophy behind ifa, now that i am atheist i have embraced it completely. The spiritual side of ifa is a no go area because then i will have to believe in the orisas. yoruba myths like every other is comprised of the literal and metaphorical element, what you are doing is that you are trying to re-write everything to fit into science, and that i believe, is fraudulent.

Mr. "I have embraced Ifa" wat do u know about Ifa

Mr Troll: lol, ok.

When u go to a Babalawo he would dafa for u and Ifa's message would read in symbolic representation, it is the Babalawo that would interpret for u.

[quote author=me_for_you]u be proper mumu. Receiver of awolowo's half-baked free education. The question is if ile life existed in 10,000 BC.Which we all know is no. There's no talk of ancestral home at all[/quote]How do u know this?

Mr Troll: @bold, hehehehehehe. bros, I don tire abeg. at least pagans no de disturb us for night with loud speakers in the name of night vigil.

@red, huh? human physiology said that? there's a difference between generally accepted bullshit of old and actual scientific assertions o! think again.

Have u wondered why natural disasters don't happen around pure spiritual practices?


Yes science stated that- that's how flawed it can be, so by trying to say wat science hasn't proven is Bs means that years ago when Heart was established as the centre of emotions, anybody running around claiming Brain was just saying Bs

Mr Troll: who asks for the sacrifices to be made?

The priest, who knows the mysteries behind these Energies and how they can be manipulated to Human benefit.

Nourishing an Energy with blood-which has the Highest level of energy in one physical entity.
This Nourishing is to create channels between these energies that could start up convertion to something else or just keep a certain Element in balance with it's atomic structure.

For instance
Sacrifice to Orisha oke prevents landslides, Avalanche and other disasters caused by Mountains

Orisha Olokun prevents floods and raise in sea level over the inhabited land.

You every wonder why natural disasters don't happen around places practicing pure spirituality?

@bold, a basic knowledge in human physiology will make you know that such feats are physically impossible. that is why we don't need to run to every magic demonstration in other to debunk them.

I couple of years ago human physiology stated emotions were stored in the heart now we all believe it's the brain.

rationalmind: @ macof, in addition to that, in any case I'm unable to do it, that doesn't mean someone else can't. People are more creative than each other and these type of things aren't my forte.

All the same I'll try

Pls stop giving useless excuses.

The Bible creation story is incomplete and NO CHRISTIAN WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR DELIBERATE TWIST OF THE BIBLE

This is not about creativity, I only interpret not create.

Mr Troll: do you know anything about the laws of nature at all?

there is nothing western about scientific views. in your desperate attempt not to appear like a slave, you actually come across as foolish, irrational and dogmatic. I dismiss bullshit irrespective of origin. why should I hold unto bullshit just because it is local?

dragons don't exist, donkeys don't talk to humans, people don't breathe fire nor spit thunder. bullshit remains bullshit no matter how dressed up you try to make yours.

Then I would say u are not exposed

rationalmind: Lol, did you really read through all what the dude wrote? The stuff was too long to start with. Maybe if he had summarised it, he would had gotten some responses

Yes and I have seen that in another thread where we both addressed the issue of "Immanuel"

Nowenuse: They have their great differences, they are not the same but are found in same state Kogi. But Ebiras are also found in Nasarawa and Kwara, Igalas are also found in Nasarawa, Anambra.

Ok thanks but I wanted to know difference in culture and language

Kingspin: River Niger has been in existence before, Mungo Park discover it. Even the place am standing now has been there but the ans is this, when we first know about things, thats the time it start to exist.

So? Wats ur point?

nnofaith: What is all that nonsense you wrote up there folly?! Sango was an alafin in old oyo he was never energy. why are you re-mixing yoruba myths? this is plain silly. for anybody that cares to know the truth please just google yoruba religion. I am also yoruba and i know what you wrote up there are a pack of lies. guys google is your friend.

And I say prove that u are Yoruba

BOUNTYDOG: @ op is it true the oba and his son "heir apparent" must not set eyes on eachother from D day or birth until after d present oba dies that his son can come to take over

Rumor.

They live in separate quarters so they don't see much of each other not that they are not suppose to see each other

[quote author=numerical_guy]These Bini pipo are so full of horse sh!t. Who still believes in reincarnation these days [/quote]see fool

Tropilo: The Benin people are the only tribe i know that fears (i mean real fear, not respect) their oba.
Many of them care less about the Almighty GOD, but they believe that if they ever say anything bad about their oba (be it true or false), they will die.

I wonder what kind of spell the throne has on its people!

That's how it's suppose to be

rationalmind: Meaning, anyone can come up with his own interpretation. I can interprete it to mean the creation story in genesis. Someone else can interprete it to mean the creation story in islam. Someone who is very creative can even interprete it to mean evolution

Lol lies, all lies

Let me see u try

Mr Troll: let me stop this nonsense right here. just because it was said by my ancestors doesn't in anyway make it true. there is nothing slave minded about accepting scientifically verified findings even when they contradict previously held beliefs or when they are different from your ancestral history.

people don't breathe fire. it is impossible. so even if the most respected ifa adherent with the best memory says it, I will not believe it. simple and short.

So wat if I say "people don't go into space. It's impossible"

pls don't try to justify mental slavery.
a man who is quick to accept western views and dismiss his ancestry is nothing but a slave

FOWOSIRE: I am not very good with biblical facts and history but come to think of it some ends might be opened in what we know. Jesus was the adopted son of Joseph who was from Judah. Did anyone give a detailed account of Mary's origin. And remembering Jesus was not Joseph's biological son. if his papers were faulty chances are he might not be elected mayor in Judah if miracles were not involved and Mary in parenthood would have contributed a great deal of DNA to his genetic appearance so chances are he must have adopted most of her in colour and other features since she was the dominant physical feature in his parenthood so chances are, if Mary were to be fully accounted for, some more light will be shed in answering the physical possibilties of Jesus. I just hope she is Nigerian so as to confirm my suspicions. More like hope sha.

Shut up
Queen Mary's earthly parents were Joachim and Saint Anne

victorazy: Yorubas and their sham films

Una wan start

xp17: he wasnt d first oba of bini persay. he was d first oba after d end of ogiso's dynasty, after d exile of prince erkanladeran d only son of eweka who later formed ile-ife

As much as I would like to play ur game, I know u are not bini because no sane bini would say "THE SON OF EWEKA FORMED ILE-IFE"

The father of Oba Eweka 1 is Oranmiyan the Great prince of Ife.
How can Eweka's son be the founder of ile-ife When Eweka's father was From Ife

Anybody reading your post can clearly see that u don't know anything about the Oodua people or you suffer from mental deformity

Mr Troll: I find all this interesting, though I don't believe all of it. what I usually have against all this is when pagans or anybody for that matter start making claims of fantastic 'supernatural' manifestations by one babalawo or pastor.

you say Sango is not actually a being, so why do people worship it/him/she? why make incantations to invoke its supposed powers? why make sacrifices to a metaphor or an abstract concept?

stories of people breathing fire? really? spitting thunder? Nigger please!

It's not about u believing the story one group of people give. Everyone has something to say about creation and existence. I believe the big bang is still incomplete but it's the most complete and explanatory story of creation that I know, so I see it's sense and weigh it with other stories.

You know why and how u should even see that there's more to myths than wat u see in the surface
1. A man cannot create earth when men weren't suppose to be around
2. Chicken or pigeon can't be in existence when the earth wasn't even finished
3. Dust....how when dry land wasn't formed yet

Thinking deep will make one realize it's just symbolic representation

I explained that These are conscious Energies that sustain the universe and can be manipulated to fit into human use for good or bad that's why must of this knowledge to tap into these energies are hidden and secret only open to certain cults which knowledge of this practices have gone from one generation.

It's simply manipulation and use of potential energy.

In the olden days if some had the knowledge of how electricity works, they would call it gift from the God of lightening.

Breathing out fire is fuvkin basic level jazz....there are leaves u eat and with certain incantations smoke starts coming out of ur mouth. people who eat fire and spit it out is all about tapping that energy.

Ishilove: So Foly and macof, since you are nature worshippers, in essence you don't believe in the existence of gods?

take plaeton's post seriously, deliberate on it properly.

You should understand

Coldfeet: ^^^ E-shildren don see food o! Time to eat and dissect Christianity. Idi@s!!

But it's true.

Christianity is full of crazy people believing ascending and fallen beings to and fro the sky

rationalmind: Lol, yes, I don't. On the basis of the above reasons. I don't find reliable any tradition passed down orally.

Lol, yea, I'm a yoruba. Born n brought up in ogun state. Abeokuta to be precise.

Goes to show how slave minded u are.

People like You are willing to accept that their origin is Mecca when Oral history clearly states Ile-Ife

Anyway I understand because u were not exposed to Yoruba stuff by ur elders.
Same for me, until I saw that a man who doesn't know his roots cannot grow and blossom.

Odo ti o gbagbe Orisun re a gbe
^^^ Yoruba saying for u to take seriously

Promhize: You are a shame to traditional beliefs and way of life.

It's u who is a shame nt me