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harbiola1: There are many gods then as there are many gods now.

The statement literally means:
I bear witness that there is no other god who deserves to be worshiped except Allah.
Note: Allah has/will never be personified.
I know Olorun-Olodumare has/never never been personified...

Look around to know the name of supreme Diety in other languages that has never being personified; That is Allah, Elaha, Alaah... in another language which deserves our Worship and Praise.



The second statement means:
And I bear witness that Prophet Muhammed(saw) is the Messenger of Allah.

Allah has been personified- read about hubal. Huballah was the father of Manat, Allat, Al-uzza- even the Koran can be used to prove this.
I don't know why u muslims lie about ur God. The Christians don't lie, only that they don't know as much as they should.

Elaha is still Arabic, it's a different dialect from the one spoken in Mecca.

u bare witness? Abeg don't make me laugh

captcochrane: i tink u ansad d question- god is any other tin u worship apart from 1 true God, nd d statement can be rephrased as "there's nobody worthy of worship except Allah (God )"
Nd yea, i always envy those dt speak arabic fluently, u guys shd just take tym nd listen to beautiful recitations, with open minds, u'll lyk it

OMG!! So many Foolish people on NL

There's no difference between "god" and "God" stop deceiving urself, it's the same word with the same meaning.

You envy those that speak Arabic, can u speak ur fathers language?

harbiola1: The ka'aba was nt built for Idols, and was not built by Pagan.

Dude, I might not be sure who built the kaaba but there's no prove that Abraham built it.

Abraham had already left Allah and devoted himself to Yahweh.
Abraham would have to be crazy to build kaaba in honor of another God.

Ps. Abraham was Hebrew, Beginning of a new tribe in canaanland. Technically he was pagan
You need to understand the meaning of "pagan"

Once Ismail had become a youth, he married from the tribe of Jurhum, Ismail was the Custodian of the Sacred House (Ka'aba) and after he died, he made is son Nabit his successor, Nabit to his uncle from Jurhum. Then Ibn Amr al-Jurhami assumed the burden of the affairs of the Sacred House (Ka'aba). Jurhum's custodianship of the sanctuary lasted a period of time. Then they started to become weaker in faith, putting the continuing sanctity of the Sacred House to peril...

The first one of the Khuza'ah to govern the sacred house was Amr bin Rabiah, who travel to Syria-palestine (Al-shami) to seek a cure for a disease he was suffering from. He found the people there worshiping Idols, he bought one and brought it back to Mecca and called it Hubal. Amr Ibn Rabiah then was the first to change the Monotheistic religion of Abraham and Ismail of the Arabs...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Khuza'a

This I have no right to argue.
But I disbelieve this

In the bible, Abraham truly built a Temple, but it has never been found till now.

Abraham built shrines not temple

Muslims' congregation prayer (Salat) towards Ka'aba is to oblige the command of Allah.

Befor, during and after Jesus' ascension, Jews have been facing Temple mount when observing their congregation prayer.

Jews, temple in America, England, France... face Temple mount.
Jesus met them facing one direction and he never complained, rather, his Gospel was to call people to pray 3 times a day facing temple Mount.
There is a clear verse in the NT that indicated that the well guided Disciples of Jesus prayed after the ascension of Jesus, the same way the the Jews used to and still praying.

Like Jews, muslims face the Ka'aba when observing congregational prayer(salat).

And invoke Allah's blessing (Dua') in which no rules is applied.

Muslims Pray in Arabic due to many reasons, Unity- it is highly recommended that u observe Salat in group.
But you are in China where they were praying in Chinese, even though, u can hear them rapping in their language but since u can't understand what they talking about. what would happen? u've just missed a bonus from the Almight God.

And it is a pity that you are not yet a Muslim, if you are, u would understand how one feels when reciting Al-quran in Arabic.
Allah doesn't literally mean God, It is more than that.

This is plain stuupid how can u think, praying in Arabic brings blessings.

This is pure mental slavery and brainwash.

Wat ever happened to praying in the language of ur father?
Wat ever happened to praying in the way of ur ancestors?

keep proving to me that non-arab Muslims are slaves

FrancisTony: the translation is allah though but they worship it as the most high God during the pre-islamic era whereas our Nigerian pagan religion during the pre-xtian and muslim era worship the little chi, olodumare etc and still believe there's most high God above! But arabians took allah(moon-god) as their G(g)od.

Shut up. In there's none higher than Olodumare, Chukwu, Osanobua

Allah has always been the most high God in Arabia. His symbols and planetary body was the Moon. He created earth and all life.
Just dat with the coming of Islam, things changed and Mohammed proclaimed his family's God as "only God"

captcochrane: @op, wd u guys say Olorun/Olodumare (i dont know if u're yoruba) is an idol? no u wont because they're yoruba translations for God - so, Allah has been d translation 4 God since d beginning of arabian/arabic
nd moreso, wd u say u're forced to read nd write in english in skul because u're igbo/yoruba/hausa? no u wont cos dts wat we regard as standard for education here in nigeria - so arabic is d standard for Islam
u said why didnt our Prophet destroy kabbah? no he didnt nd wouldnt, why? because it was built by prophet Ibrahim AS nd his son; Ismail AS to worship Almighty Allah, so my broda, Muhammad SAW only cleansed d kabbah by ejectin d idolators

Olodumare is a Yoruba pagan God. The supreme God of the universe, and source of all energy in Yoruba spirituality.

Allah is a God, not the Arabic translation for the word "God"

In Hebrew "El" means God, Elohim is for Gods beneath El Elyon

The kaaba was built for Pagan practices it had 360 sacred idols dedicated to Gods, Allah was one of them, Allah was their chief

FrancisTony: the word GOD have been existing since. GOD is meant for supernatural almighty, the creator of heaven and earth. And those that worship pagan and idol own is god not GOD. @your question. Was allah a biblical God or pre-islamic deity worshipped as moon? Waiting in anticipation *GRIN*

See Mr. Tony(I don't know if u don't deserve the Mr)

You are ALWAYS wrong

The word "God" is an English word from the German word "Gott" which means "one that is sacrificed to" or "one that sacrifice is given"

Gott was the title of all the Gods of the Norse/Scandinavian spirituality.

In English sense of the word it still doesn't mean "one God" neither does it mean "creator of heaven and earth" it simply means "higher force"
Yahweh, Allah, Obatala, Sango, Odin, Zeus etc. are all Gods

There's nothing like god and GOD, it's the same word. higher forces are all Gods, gods or GODS not God and god


Allah never appeared in the Bible, Allah has always been the God of Mecca and not Israel. Allah is a pagan God of the Moon in Arabia and Mesopotamia where Abraham came from

teniyi: Never, even if Muslim keeps these pictures, they are purely for admiration unlike the CROSS you worship.
Investigate and get to know please.

You are in seedless denial. Stop denying the truth

No one worships images before, it's admiration.

as I also say, you religious people lack education and knowledge of the outside

Idolatry is not worship of idols, it's admiration. Wat muslims do by keeping pictures of kaaba is idolatry.

teniyi: Pupuu, what about the cross you worship. A death man killed on the cross is a pagan Ideas. I pitied you oo.

True the origin of "the dead man on a cross" is from the Greek God Dionysus.

texanomaly: Hey Josh...Merry Christmas to you too...hope this month is treating you well.

The Sun God and Santa has been serving us well

texanomaly: Thank you. The English teacher in me just wants to hug you...

why get hugs when u can get kisses?

faakay: The wife never believed in her because she knows he's a false prophet.

So she concentrated on her job to fend for the family but the hubby when to beat her up because she doesn't want to attend the church service. what a pity.

They should give him what he deserves so that he can learn his lessons that's a beast not a pastor

bastardization of Pastorism

False prophets every where claiming they were called by God - blasphemy

Shut up, he's not a false prophet. Your Bible supports his act

made2fit: You really do have a lot of points but there are some things I don't agree with. Nice article all in all. Anyways, thank God I don't serve the "Nigerian god".

Yh because u slave urself to the middle easterners by serving the Israeli God

Lol ghosts not aliens

The video na poo

[quote author= RoyPCain]@macof; calling for pilgrimage Ibrahim [as] did. pilgrimage starts by his announcement. you may just have to think hard because what Abraham left behind was not taken up by muslims under Muhammad [sa]. but those that picked it up in many instances were children in the time of Moses in the graven image known as golden calf, in the time of Solomon too, so much so that you said Solomon imported wives that he worshiped their Gods [we in Islam say you lied there]. there are still other forms of Gods picked up which included the unnamed but title only; holy ghost [imagine worshiping a ghost?] and the human Jesus which you christian man is indulging in.[/quote]why inviting me to your party, I dey my own u come here posting trash with my username

Pilgrimage of Allah as everyone knows is to go round the kaaba, kissing the toilet stone.
Abraham never did that

See where ur lack of knowledge is clear
The Golden calf is not a symbol of Allah, so wat concerns Abraham's former God with golden calf?
Abraham left Allah and devoted himself to Yahweh. I don't want to start teaching u history and spirituality but am guessing you would need such.

Wat concerns Islam with Solomon The Bible states exactly wat Happened, your Arab pervert can't know about Solomon better than his people.

RoyPCain: @macof; i am not mocking Isaac. rather i am using reality to wake you up from spiritual slumber.

since you think all arabs are slaves and mother dictates the linage of the child instead of father, i hope you are from your mom's bloodline, bearing her family name. its a question.

incidentally, Moses who God used to liberate the children of Israel married an arab woman. so his children are slaves and you know the whole story. can you live that you deception, macof? we know how to response to you, except that you are always in spiritual freezer.


incidentally, if the slave master in the americas had loved their children from their slaves as Abraham loved Ishmael, slavery would have ended much much earlier. and there are many queens that the king feel she is garbage by her attitude. being a queen with bad attitude is not so hot.

WTF? spiritual slumber like ur Mohammed. Oponu Osi

I never said Arabs are slaves. I said they descended from a slave, Sarah's slave.
You cannot compare descendants of slaves to Descendants of Madam of the Territory. Damn Sarah was temporarily a Queen while Hagar was a slave that Sarah got from Kemet

bad attitude Sarah was lordstress, it's only Jealousy and Hatred that made Arabs refer her as wicked.
Ismail/Ishmael wasn't Yahweh's gift to Abraham so he had to cast him away.

[quote author= RoyPCain]@macof; calling for pilgrimage Ibrahim [as] did. pilgrimage starts by his announcement. you may just have to think hard because what Abraham left behind was not taken up by muslims under Muhammad [sa]. but those that picked it up in many instances were children in the time of Moses in the graven image known as golden calf, in the time of Solomon too, so much so that you said Solomon imported wives that he worshiped their Gods [we in Islam say you lied there]. there are still other forms of Gods picked up which included the unnamed but title only; holy ghost [imagine worshiping a ghost?] and the human Jesus which you christian man is indulging in.[/quote]why inviting me to your party, I dey my own u come here posting trash with my username

Pilgrimage of Allah as everyone knows is to go round the kaaba, kissing the toilet stone.
Abraham never did that

See where ur lack of knowledge is clear
The Golden calf is not a symbol of Allah, so wat concerns Abraham's former God with golden calf?
Abraham left Allah and devoted himself to Yahweh. I don't want to start teaching u history and spirituality but am guessing you would need such.

Wat concerns Islam with Solomon The Bible states exactly wat Happened, your Arab pervert can't know about Solomon better than his people.

I'll miss Paul. He was epic

#FF7 Sean is gonna rock

Muslims, you all won't seize to embarrass urself and prove me right.
Slaves *can't stop laughing at this Roy guy*

[quote author=Ngbọkwụ]This Obi of Ile Ife is a fool. I have always known that.[/quote]At least u said "obi"

Everyone knows Obi is a fool

Mr Troll: everything we see is matter. is everything conscious?

@bold, why do you continue in this folly?

Yes Everything is conscious. Anything that can react and change is conscious- Everything can react and change.

It's nt folly, it's so obvious NL atheist are not "free-thinkers". Most of you disbelieve everything without giving it a chance of trial or a thorough research.

For instance Wiegraf has never heard that Matter is conscious that is why he didn't believe when Folykaze said Rocks are conscious. He never bothered to think over it, he simply dismissed it like Atheist dismiss anything they haven't heard before.
And by "heard" I mean heard from an established scientist.

"If modern science hasn't proven it, then it's illogical and lame"
^^^That's the Motto

I haven't seen major so called atheist like LB, wiegraf, RM make any scientific theory with proof, I haven't seen any of you talk about Atomic structures and Energy. I haven't seen any NL atheist make a philosophy on certain spheres of life.

You all wait for western scientist to tell u wat is logical before u know wat is logical

Pastor Olu T: To me this is leading nowhere 'cos God reveals Himself to each individual differently according to our level of relationship with Him. But the point I am making is that u can know Him and even better at that if u start fellowshipping Him through His son Jesus Christ

still beating around the bush.

You don't understand God so how can u even know how to have a relationship with him?

rationalmind: It is because you put on dark colored glasses when reading the bible. Now take a look at this, pay attention to the bolded.



Now, remove those glasses and read again

Josh has a point.
He could be correct, it's a use of pronoun, "him" could apply to any of both men there

Deep Sight: Be clear please. Belief in God as defined by Abrahamic religions or belief in God defined as the nessary causative factor of the universe and mind.

Are both equally irrational?

in answering this, please consider the implications of stating that either definition, is non existent.

Thank you, noble kind gracious and excellent sir, potentate of nairaland.

This is how NL atheist think.

They expect an organic like being living in the sky, sitting on a throne.

Christianised mentality is wat most have, and until they release themselves from such mental point of view they can't be free thinkers hence being fake atheist

As I always say "God" is a term of personification

rusher14: To a very large extent you are right.

But I ask, how advanced and peaceful were we before these imports?

True.
The human mind can be filled with lots of horrors regardless religion or instructive inclination but I can tell u there was better peace in Africa.

We never killed because we were of different religion.
We were all one in one community
We practiced our own traditions and loved our culture- though some traditions can be awful
We honored nature and the universe which ensured peace and prevention of disasters.

Christianity and Islam never brought better or improved civilization, our exposure to better civilization did.

@Wiegraf, I am surprised u don't know that everything is conscious including Matter.

This shows how ur atheism is a fake, because ur master scientists bosses know this

[quote author= RoyPCain]christians have been sold a bill of goods by the jews. this is the reason that you think Ishmael was rejected. how is it possible that God that gave him the name does not protect him against his stepmother, if it is true that she was that wicked against an innocent child? Alhamdulillah, we in islam dont sarah as you people see here. and God is not shy to expose her if she was evil because God exposed an evil woman in that time period, the wife of prophet Lot. just to remind you, if God did not wish good for Ishmael as much as He wished good for Isaac, Ishmael would not have been circumcised at the same time his father was, while Isaac was a baby unborn. No evil came to Ishmael as we read from the bible. he was not a disbeliever in what his father believed, which is evident by his burying his father. he didnt have a wife that deceived him or hated his son. he didn't become blind and no child of his because open enemy of his brother. and no grandchild of his sold his brother and lied. in fact the bible argued and contradicted against itself on what it stated about Ishmael. this is evidence that Ishmael might just be the sacrificed son. and i have not gone to the Quran that confirms he was because it was after the event that the good news of Isaac was announced. and no grandfather will be killed before he has a chance to become a father.[/quote]All I see here is mockery of Isaac and praise to Ishmael
Why? because u are a freaking ARAB SLAVE SERVING YOUR MASTERS

Btw Don't even compare the son of a slave with the son of a temporary Queen()

IamDebola: Yes both books said so, Assuming people who lived during the time of your fore-fathers had followed these books correctly, You will never be in existence. I mean, your fore-fathers are supposed to have been killed so that we will have peace of mind.
Islam still gives chances of survivor if they repent, establish their prayers, gives charity etc
Rudedough, I will find you and I'll............. make you believe by force.
You will stop being an atheist.

Bottom line is Islam and christianity are foreign religions that have brought nothing but hatred, backwardness, slavery, brainwash, craziness and stupiditi to Africa

rudedough: [b]THE BIBLE SAYS KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

THE QUR'AN TOO SAYS KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful. (Surah 9:5)

Run away from the delusion of religion before you do God and Allah's will just like this Pastor has done to his wife.[/b]

Religion can really mess peoples minds
No wonder we have boko haram and pastors aka armed robbers in the church

Pastor Olu T: What is the percentage of Christians, I mean born again have u seen that are crazy?

If u tell me majority it means u ain't sincere or probably u have met none which is unlikely.

Of course I have met many people who claim to be born again and born in spirit
They all seem crazy with their talk of "God of Israel is my God" "Jesus is alive" etc.

Ayoobscom: JESUS'the most misinterpreted creature of God.

The Israelites were God's favorite tribe on earth that God had sent 90% of his messengers from among Israel.

But at the end they betrayed God,by killing izah,adopt a name Jesus he was never called,and misled the world about his true being and teachings...

I pity the gullibility in Christianity in all ramifications...now I love you..but I pity you..bcoz you probably cannot see the flaws I
see

@poster since when did Isrealites became black? He was white,there was no black prophet.

See foolish slave

How can a sensible person say God had a favorite people? Worse off claims that Israel was God's favorite people.
You must be really crazy.

Nobody like izah ever existed...his name is Yeshua

Pastor Olu T: I can see this is turning to serious hatred, bt u are not like this before. I guess the heat is getting to u, so instead of communicating reasonably u result to insult?

So did the man do it in the name of Christianity, even if he claimed to, does that mean that is right or thats how all Christians behave?

It's nt hatred it's truth
Christianised mentality = craziness