₦airaland Forum

2sa2: The problem with paganism is that it's not clearly defined, there is no standard for measuring their beliefs unlike Christianity and Islam. If I were seun I'll simply IGNORE u guys are better as trolls, go to a Christian or Muslim thread, derail it.

That's the reason why we need opportunity for paganism so people can learn wat it's all about and stop calling The Gods demons

rationalmind: Nonsense. And for some very strange reasons, you dismiss the quran that also used spirituality to explain the big bang which science is just explaining.

You fail understand spirituality.
Quran is the book of laws for Islam- a religion

Spirituality is simply human interactions with the forces of nature
Not God and man

My constant use of "God" on this forum is to come to a level were people with Islamic or Christianised mentality can understand

rationalmind: And where did I defend christianity? How low can you guys go? Does paganism teach you guys how to lie? On that same thread you were referring to, I called the bible a myth. Does that sound like someone defending christianity? Leave folykaze to his folly, don't let him drag you into foolishness.

My man point has been that, trying to re-interprete a myth to fit into science is not new. Christians do it all the time, muslims also do it all the time. That exactly is what you are doing now.

On the same grounds you reject theirs, I'm rejecting yours. That is not so difficult to understand

Sorry to say but your case is simply bias and of ill mentality.

The quote u posted on muslims relating to the big bang makes no sense why?
1. It doesn't explain the big bang
2. It states a God called upon all to be

This doesn't break down their myth to proper explanatory terms
It simply implies Allah was the one who called upon the big bang to be

I have broken down every character in Yoruba creation story to proper explanatory terms in reference to the big bang and u comparing the illustrious and constructive use of symbolic representation to Quranic creation story.

How does Yoruba creation story and quran creation story relate?

As foly as said u are merely looking for monsters in space because ur mentality has been Christianised

You feel threatened that ur very much beheld theory of creation is a new version of wat ancient Africans have known for thousands of years

I am hoping to find a spirituality that already stated evolution.

Btw are u African?

kambo: wat point are u tryg to make?
Or ur just arguing 4 atheism's sake.
Can u summarize the posters viewpoint and my reply to prove tht u know the direction of our arguments? If u cant there's no need respondg to u.

U should address how Jesus as any business outside Israel.

He failed in Israel and failed as a Messiah

tonychristopher: yorubas and cowardice, why facing tyhe igbos, you have lost ilorin,ofa,kogi west oku and so many places to north aboki, you dont even have a king in illorin, now you talk about igbos, bunch of cowards, ijaws fought you in ajegunle, beat you hands down, hausas fought you in m,ile 12 same beating.... now you want to compare igbos to youruba...face the toipic and claim edos, i served there and i know edo language and yoruba aint same


edo say lare fir come
yoruba say wa for come

edo say laoh for please
yoruba say ejo



DONT MIND THE SPELLINGS COS I AINT FROM THERE..BUT ARE THESE LANGUAGES RELATED

Ignorance and stupiditi

mahdino: Well if u don't believe in the site u supplied, then why did u refer us to it, Mr man I am only using what u bring forward to prove my point. Ok u said valley of Baca, is the valley of baca in Asia? No, did Abraham pass by Europe? NO . The valley of Baca is in Arabia where the family of Abraham lived. That is exactly where Mecca is.

Let me not argue wit u.

But why all this stress to prove to Christians that Islam's God is their God?
Wats ur tribal affiliation? Can u go through all this to teach ur ancestral spirituality? Do u even know ur ancestral spirituality?

Ishilove: Then why is he called the god of Iron?

He is not called God of iron, Ogun is Orisha of Iron and all metal works

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

In addition to what I said earlier, there are christians who have also given symbolic and allegorical interpretations to the creation story in the bible. You people dismiss them all the same and expect others to take you serious.

Like I did say, you are not in anyway different from the christians and muslims you so much villify.

The only difference is, their BS is foreign, your own is local

Now I see that you are not atheist instead u are mentalised to Christianity

same way I saw u defending christianity against Islam on wrong basis.

And I want u to show me where I publicly dismissed Bible creation story.
Note that the Bible creation story is incomplete and The original account was told by ancient canaanites.

rationalmind: Hehehe, you mean the story of an ocean reaching heaven from earth and olodumare sending obatala to the earth with sand and chicken actually depicts the big bang theory.

Like I once said, everyone tries to be relevant to science. Muslims also claim the big bang was already foretold in the quran, christians claim there are scientific evidences in the bible.

How do you in good conscience dispel those beliefs of christians and muslims and boldly claim your own myth is correct.

dude my relating to modern science is to show that spirituality has used symbolic representation to explain wat science is just explaining.

I see you are a waste time

[quote author= Reyginus]Is Sango, the god of thunder, really the Electrical Energy?[/quote]Yes

Is there any relationship between Sango or Electrical energy and a certain spiritual phenomena?

as Folykaze has explained before, Sango is the potential Electric charges which are convert to form Electricity, lightening, thunder etc. and as Modern science states- the electric charges in our body is wat enables brain signals to travel through the body and also keeps the heart beat.

Spiritual phenomena is a term used to describe manipulations of this conscious energy to form something unusual

Every other party interested are to seek permission from them before going further.

kambo: ur fool and a fool like you has no business tryg to construct or reply to a logical argument because ppl like u only know how to degenerate into emotional empty responses.
I'll reply som1 who has somethg better /more logcal to say.
To exonerate urself cud u show where the "apostles" berated paul "MANY TIMES" for preachg to the gentiles?
Acts 9v15 ".. This man (paul) is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the gentiles and their kings ... ". Can u read this? Is it in ur bible?

Jesus died 4 the whole wrld . Not d jews only .
You argue about a God u dont believe in and try to interprete scriptures u dont even understand then make comments baked in ignorance!

Jesus was already dead when acts was written so if u want to quote Jesus quote from Mark

Mr Troll: lol. Now you're sounding like folykze. Why do you think that if we don't accept local bullshit therefore we must be european wannabes? Its like a Christian saying that if you don't worship Yahweh then you must be a devil worshipper.

First of all.
I explain The Yoruba creation story u claim it's just a lame folklore.

Many have said that to me too but it's funny how they subscribe to the big bang theory.
I have once explained the similarities between the Yoruba creation story and the big bang theory yet many call my ancestors bush men when they had already known wat science is just knowing

nnofaith: you should stop attacking xtians, the only diffrence btw you and them is that your own BS is local.

Because the only thing in ur head is BS
You can't see anything resourceful or constructive around u

texanomaly: Lol. I'm a white American. I've never been outside the US. Btw...Europeans are usually much too liberal for my liking. I'm a pretty conservative gal.

I was referring to Mr. troll

Ishilove: @bolded, Tsk tsk, your language...

Macof and Folake are evangelical pagans

Paganism isn't evangelistic.
It's the default way of life

Billyonaire: Is this about authenticity of a private information I am sharing or about candid research on the possible root of fire-electricity phenomena. Remember, this is not about self-glorification or argument, its about research. I am sharing with you, that Sango's experience is NOT myth, cos my Great Grand Father actually possessed such powers while my little brother is shocked to see such playing out in his dreams.

Was ur Great grand father a Sango devotee? Cus only Sango devotees can be possessed by him.

And ur brother is probably A reincarnation of ur Great grand father.
his soul is trying to tap through the energy it experienced in a previous life.

kambo: plausible sophistry but like i've said bf most atheists attacks on d bible are peurile.
Please read d books of ephesians and romans. The eternal plan of God was to reconcile man to himself thru d death of Jesus-a man.
So tht jews and gentiles (non-jews) wud b reconnected back to God. The jews rejected Jesus,they spurned and killed him but this was accounted 4 in Gods divine plan because by so doing they opened d way 4 d gospel to b preached to d gentiles. The jews to this present day ar still holdg out on God but Gentiles are being reconnected but in d end the jews will b reconciled back . See ephesians 3v6. Romans 11vs 11 " ... Rather , because of their transgression ,salvation has come to the Gentiles to make isreal envious. 15."... Their rejection is the reconciliation of the world.. "

See mumu

Jesus himself said "I came only for the lost sheep of Israel"



the apostles rebuked Paul many times for Preaching to gentiles
so Where's the truth in wat u saying.

Jesus- yeshua was a failure, no one even calls his name, instead we all "hail zeus"

bishop4APC: If you still feel the presence of Almighty God in Africa, bro that's malaria feeling...God has long abandoned Africa but only sent his 2nd born *madiba* to south Africa for deliverance.. Our evil hearts are just too hot for God to lean on....There's no God in Africa but gods.

Such a slave u are

I know u are fool that thinks God comes from Israel

Tru Mantra: You make an excellent point based solely on the behavior of the folk that claim to be "men of God".
Still do not judge the master based on the folk that claim to follow him. In this case, you'd be dead wrong.

Pls shout up

these pastors and imams preach Gods of middle east and damn Gods of Africa

Yet they are the ones who need body guards and bullet proof vest, most even go to these Africa God to beg for protection and power to perform miracle.

Mr Troll: this is the bullshit religious people say that piss me off.

on the contrary myths are realities embellished with a lot of nonsense.

They are just mostly entertaining stories used to explain natural phenomena.

My work here is done.

You probably see Europeans as master brains while ur ancestors are nothing but lame men making folklore

Pastor Olu T: That is where we both dont agree, the concept of God/god, u already know my stance that I believe in just one God, and which better explain things spiritually n physically.

I am not asking about if u believe one God or 500Gods. Wats ur definition of God?

Wat is this God?

And am beginning to not take u seriously with this God/god thing u do.

Wats ur definition of god?

Nowenuse: In everytin I believ we can conclude by sayin ethnic identity is what we choose to be. The major issue of ethnic confusion amongst we black africans today owes to what our colonial masters did to many of us. We all know that prior to colonialism there was nothin like a one-yoruba or one-igbo ethnicity. The colonialists saw like ppls and sometimes grouped dem up togeda as one ppl. Today we see that some tribes (especially the larger ones) have to be divided into sub-tribes first before clans while some (especially smaller ones) divide into clans directly. For instance, there are no clans of the yoruba tribe but only sub tribes because it is nothin but a mergin of like ethnicities by colonial masters WHILE there are clans of d Igala tribe because the ppl defined as igala today have always been one united kingdom.

Macof, I truly agree with what u hv been saying, the only major reason why ekiti or Ijebu ppl appear yoruba or more yoruba than the Edo or Nupe or Igala ppl is that the Ekiti or Ijebu ppl also speak general yoruba (oyo dialect) as a second language, hence makin it easy 4dem 2b seen as one ppl with yorubas, otherwise they'd have been clearly classified as a distinct group.
I believe if all nupes, Ebiras, igalas were to have been speaking the oyo dialect as a second language, they'd hv been classifed under the larger yoruba body too cos they share similar cultures and close dialects with the yoruba tribes.
This has one way made it the reason why some delta igbos reject the larger igbo identity, because they do not speak the central unifyin igbo dialect well as a second language. If they had, their igboness would neva have been in doubt like it is today. There is just a kind of bond that a common language creates. Many of the northern minorities who are not hausa and have neva considered themselves hausa appear hausa mostly because of the linguistic comand they hv in the hausa language. Some of the have been absorbed by the larger hausa body (especially the muslims).
Without a central unifyin dialect, the deifnition of an ethnic group can hardly b complete.

true, basically ethnic identity is a choice, in as much as the culture and traditions are similar or a common origin exist.

But I was just trying to correct Francis who was acting as if he knows anything about Yoruba language or the people called "Yoruba" today.

Owo people are more Edo than Yoruba(Oyo) but they call themselves Yoruba or Owo

texanomaly: I read it just now, sorry. There was not much information there. I'm unsure what you want me to glean from it. Can you enlighten me please? I should have looked at it when you posted it. Again I apologize.

I wanted u to understand wat Osun is and not who
As u most have read Orisha are responsible for the existence of the universe.

Each and Every Orisha has a manifestation which Humans(and all living organism) are liable to experience or witness

Mr Troll: its simple really. Folktales and legends. Myths. Its alright though, at least you're not all in our faces like the abrahamics.

Not so.

As I always say, spirituality is at a level science is still building up to. philosophy is a Great part of spirituality and myths are symbolic
All myths have to say something about reality.

Like Oduduwa coming down from a chain to create earth after Obatala got drunk and slept off.
I have used the big bang theory to explain this

Pastor Olu T: Agree bt the latter part is wrong, spirituality teaches not to live by men truly, and bt by relationship with God!

Wats ur definition of God(as in creator of the universe)

And pls think deep about this and not just use ur Bible to think, use ur consciousness

Am still trying to find a traditional priest with body guards

So how is Israel's God stronger than African Gods?

plaetton: And I thought that spirits were immortal.

I don't get how some folks think Spirits can die

Doesn't dat mean God is liable to die also

More confusion in the house of Jehovah

Esu is really working in ur lives

chris viral: you seem to b making sense, just one question..
Why do u doubt God 's (jesus) existence...

Lemme answer this

He existed but doesn't anymore because his dead

mahdino: Nobody say God is living in Mecca, God is not a man. We respect the house not that we worship it. We respect it as muslims, David respect it as a muslim.

Lol
and psalms 84:6 doesn't state that David went to worship.
"passing through the valley" is wat he did

mahdino: One God means monotheism, Islam is monotheism, monotheism is Islam. Every human naturally has the coscience of God in him, u can call Eli, Ela, Allah, Eledumare, Chineke as far as u submit to him alone the creator of the universe, the true one God in Arabic we call u a muslim.

Islam is a monotheistic religion
Monotheism is worshiping one God

Whether that God is the supreme or his children

Allah is the Arab chief God over other Gods
Yahweh is well multi personated
Real Yahweh is the canaanite mountain God, before judaism was created and the Jews proclaimed their God as the only God

Allah is not Yahweh
Olodumare is not Allah
Chi-ukwu is not Yahweh

One God doesn't mean Supreme God

So Op u need to go to school because u lack basic education

Alfa Seltzer:
a god is afraid his own creation would kill him.