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Those in favor of d motion dat Beaf and Aisha2 be expelled from dis session say Aye, AAAYYEEEEE those against say Nay, The Ayes have it, Beaf nd Aisha2 expelled.
Politics, dirty game,beautiful sport

Another smart move frm Goodluck Wisdom Jonathan keep ur friends close and your foes closer or how do u relate Obj and Danjuma advising the same person.
Jonathan can emerge President come 2011

Just a question to ask. Does Goodluck E Jonathan needs the appelation of substantive President to move the nation 4ward?

Dora has said it all she has reduced d complexities of d politics in the FEC 4 a lot of us to understand. The same pple who advised her against d memo turned around to still commend her even if in private she also told us dat a minister or mayb some didn't even know dat d vice cld not send documents to the NASS. Overall she adviced dat dose raising unnecesary dust abt d health of d president shld cool down because they cld as well destroy d whole system I hop d Falanas nd others who lik 2 run 2 d courts to ask if d president can drink water in d FEC or not wld calm down. Dora should not be allowed to resign she shld stay on as a conscience concientising d membas until they either bcom bornagain or sack her.
Truly there is hope 4 d nation nd Dora told us dat she is also close to d first family and that Yaradua whom a lot of u have insisted on insultin 4 no fault of his is a nice,humble,believa in d rule of law and a God fearing man who has d interest of d nation @ hrt.

That was y I said beaf is a hrtles person who can kil pple because they cld not giv somtin to him d luck he has dat has made him not join is because he can feed himself nd has a computer where he can pour out his frustrations

Major d issue here isn't abt d right or power of Jonathan but d right of d man Umaru Musa Yaradua to hav his privacy,and it is a fundamental human right that should not and can not be taken frm him

Are we not supposed to know that before that until d senate resolves otherwise Jonathan remains Ag President. So y are we applauding d woman she has Done nothin special but just stated d obvious and can't be tagged pro-Jonathan.

Beaf do u hav a prob wit d 1st family or is it pure jealousy or u just been a heartless fellow who cld hav gone ahead and crush pple on a highway just because they had nothin to give u.

The Yaraduas are going thru a very tough time docs say he has abt 1 mth to live can't he or his wife decide where he spends his last days can't they decide dat he doesn't want 2 c anyone and most we all join d bandwagon dat labels his wife of ova 35yrs d witch that wants to kill him. Turai is just a lovin wife of a carin nd sensitive husband who respects her wishes.

A lot of us hav neva bin in dis position my dad was so sick he was in coma 4 7days wen he wokeup we his kids were sposed to go c him but as I was preparin my dad said he doesn't want his 1st child to c him d way he was it was a painful decision my mum was by his side she prayed fasted wen he got beta and was able to be moved he came by to c me I wept like a baby seeing my dad d way he was my bro told me if I had seen him @ d hospital then wat wld I hav done.

So my isue is dat we don't need to c Yaradua 4 d nation to move 4ward Yaradua is back but he didn't say he was back to take his seat, he came in as a Nigerian who lives in Aso rock and does not want to be disturbed by the media and pls let us empathise wit dis man who led our country in one of d most dificult times.


Let's not 4get dat wen he came in he had 2 contend wit d sharp increase in prices of petroleum products by d outgoin admin, he had to contend wit d global financial crisis, the Niger Delta crisis ,a judiciary dat was not been respected but now by his xample everyone knows dat court judgements are respected nd obeyed pls one tree doesn't make a forest but this man has contributed his one tree to makin a wonderful forest

@beaf if u can remember I once said dat Jonathan is d grandest nd greatest politician in all this and I still stand by this. He knows exactly wat he is doin and like a student who already has d ans to a tough math question wld do is work to d answer but show clearly d workings. He can hold d cabal to ransom and just on one single note let me hear d instruction directly and if Yaradua givs an instruction Jonathan is uncomfortable wit Jo wld only ask Yaradua to get well soon and come do it himself.
Jonathan is right he can't be a surrogate and this was d reason y he refused actin immeduately Yaradua left nd he also refused atendin d FEC because d presidential aides came to tell him dat d president said dat he should chair d FEC if he had obliged them it also means they cld come up nd tell him dat d president asks 4 his resignation. Can we at least appreciate d bigger pic now?

Wat wld we hav xpected frm her d man is dyin so y must he be forced to resign at least we can permit him dyin as a servin president, I feel very heavy @ heart nd my heart goes out to d 1st family. If by a miracle he gets well y should we be in a hurry to close d door to his presidency.

I'm happy dat now people are seein beyond luck 4 Jonathan but his wisdom in not rushin into power. Jonathan's frustration is not because he can't move for d kill because he hasn't seen Yaradua but because d 1st lady seems not to hav acknowledged his goodwil nd at least allow him c d president and wish him well as a loyal deputy nd trustworthy ally so he can hav a direct feel of wat d man wants. If Jo had wanted to sack Yaradua wit d actin powers he has now he can do it witout seein Yaradua he can make all d moves in d FEC but wisdom has told him dat a man who sits long by d river wil hav d dead bodies of his enemies washed to where he is.
The earlier d aides of Yaradua incoporate Jonathan into d kitchen cabinet nd giv him d necesary cooperation d beta 4 them or soon enuf they wld hav no say in govt.

Well this is just anoda way of twistin issues,dredgin d Niger isn't a 1yr project savin d shoreline has bcom an emergency and d Ag Pres afta wide consultations had made a decision y then do people want to bring in ethnic sentiments. The nation won't develop dis way nd Jo pls go ahead wit consultations nd make decisions in national interest just like ur president has always done no need to play to d gallery and no need to fear d so called northern interest what hav they contributed to d development of d north.

@slap1 because the report isn't wat u want u accuse them of paucity of creativity.
The presidents case is really dicey if he is stil in d ambulance dat is enuf reason y nobody is yet to c him I'm sure once he is able to be brot out of d ambulance some pple wld b able 2 c him. Then y do they want to c him to laugh @ him or rejoice and finally be able to declare him incapacitated I think dis is y Jonathan has not been anxious to c him because seein him changes nothin as Ag President Jonathan can move against Yaradua even if he is healthy so there is no need for him to insist on seein him just because he wants to declare d president permanently incapacitated.

Its a miracle that u d poster is alive today or do you think its by your might?

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it usually starts like this,first u rig yourself into power(president,governor,local govt,senator,NASS)
then u steal as much as possible
after that u become afraid to leave power so as not to be prosecuted
finally if u are out of power u seek to influence the people in power(aka godfather)
so as to protect your loot

and the cycle repeats itself

Do u really think Yaradua has been looting this country? This is actually d prob here in dis country once a man has been elected or selected 4 an office automatically he bcoms a thief who can't help himself from stealin frm d treasury, we bring our leaders to our levels, don't 4get he declared his assets publicly so wen he leaves pls reporters can go ahead to truly investigate his estate nd see d diff, at leastd diff btw UMYA nd OBJ wld den b obvious
It is only normal to want to remain relevant wen u leave power dat is y pple mentor their successors so there is nothin wrong in d family tryin to position another member but the onus lies on those who are also interested in d office to lobby 4 d office nd if a woman beats them in replacin d VP slot then can I cry more than them d bereaved?

Silence is d best answer to a lot of posts I hav seen on this thread, I can't bliv dat human beings can actually say most of d stuf in dis thread.
Does d constitution insists dat a man must resign because he is sick, does bein sick terminally or otherwise equate to bein incapacitated, the man didn't return to take power but came back home to recover or die, so the decision of where he wants to recover or possibly die is his to make and wen does goin to c d wife of ur colleague or boss translate to she bein d boss.
Turai can't run dis country just because her husband is sick and Jonathan knows this if Yaradua and his handlers want him to die as a president who are we to complain Jonathan runs dis country nd he calls d shots until Yaradua is fit nd able to come back to d office.
I pray 4 d quick recovery of Mr president nd there is nothin wrong ib d man having his privacy wen sick he does not need anybody to take his pics nd use to make money nd speculate he didn't come to take ova because if he was fit nd ready to tak ova he wld hav written to d NA nd d FEc that he is on his way back.
Events in d following days wld vindicate this man of peace and father of rule of law.

Beaf 4get all this stuf nd principles even wit privatisation power probs wld not be solved, we can solve our problems in d power sector if our govt demands results d way Jonathan is demanding. This power prob didn't just start 3yrs ago if past govt had done a fraction of wat d present administration is tryin to do today we won't be complainin of power probs today, a child who isn't fed 4 a day cld still look good but if afta 3days d child wld be bad but if a week goes by if d child is stil alive feedin him wit d best of food dat day won't bring him back to shape it would have to take days of ensurin dat he is properly fed then wld u begin to notice improvements, there is need for us to be patient wit dis administration cos they are sincerely interested in d nation which administration has even bothered to acknowledge dat they fail on specific agendas but this one has admited dat they failed on target but wld improve nd get it right we hav bin able to hold them acountable and they have tried in their little way to be acountable, if PHCN hits just 5000MW u wil all 4get abt d targets but this govt wants to build institutions and wen u sit back browsin d internet remember dat u don't have d info d policymakers have that has made them not to seek dereguladtion in dis sector.
Beaf wat do u mean importin our raw materials I beg to disagree d downstream sector involves buildin refineries here and gettin them to perform so y are we averse to deregulatin d oil sector which may allow investors come in nd build refineries create jobs nd make d sector competitive and critically looking at it its beta d downstream sector of d oil industry be deregulated and d billions incured on subsidy used in developin nd solvin d probs in our power sector

Jonathan has identified d crux of d present failure in d power sector vis a vis d 6000MW and he has moved in d right direction by settin a target of 1bcf of gas per day frm suppliers.
PHCN has bin complainin abt dis gas issue but d oil coys hav bin sabotagin them by insistin on shuttin down gas supplies to enable their crude flow, we must all understand that its is bit by bit dat we solve a complex prob nd wen considered dat investments dat were supposed to be made in d power sector 25yrs ago hav not bin made routine maintenance have been skipped or shodily done we can then appreciate d efforts of this administration.
No mata how we luk at it d truth be said we are not ready 4 privatisation of d power sector and privatisation is a lazy way of tryin to solve d prob govt stil has a lot to do in d power sector b4 it can be put up 4 privatisation.
One question y do a lot of us believe in privatisation of d power sector but wld not give support to deregulation of d downstream sector of our petroleum sector?

Pk pastor Bakare does not believe his prayers anymore dats y he has decided 2 solve Nigeria's problem by himself that was y he led a protest against a sick man he should have been prayin for and now eyein d presidency and belittlin his position as a pastor called by God what a shame.
When did Martin Luther King becom d model for men of God or Desmond Tutu d role model I expect my men of God to be lik is Jesus, who started wit prayer and ended with prayer.
His plans 4 d presidency is a dead issue on arrival not even wit all d votes he is gettin here

Well any nigerian can aspire to d highest office in d land but they shld go nd ask Obama or Lincoln they didn't start their political ambitions wit d presidency. He shld be humble enough to start politics frm somwere we can at least measure his ability mayb d senate or fed house or cld even start as a councillor and try usin his personal funds to beta d lives of his constituents

@beaf dat was d praya of pro001 earlier nd I tink dat kind of praya is wat has brot d nation to where it is 2day or wat does danjuma have to be claimin land in d ND or Obj in calaba but stupidity of d rules imposed by despots. All this crap is called favor he made 500m dolls how much did he expend on payin salaries b4 declarin dat amt of profit his staff at Sapetro are d worst paid oil workers and wat do they rily do to deserve more? We are just destroyin dis country 4 d future imagine Danjuma said he thot of keeping d money 4 his children, to do wat mayb to raise anoda mutallab

Better pray for God's blessings and favour so that we would have own own fair share of the good life, rather than continue to whine your way down the pit of nothingness.

That is d kind of prayer destroyin dis country evry one is waitin 4 their turn to plunder the people and then rush to a church to giv testimonies of uncommon favor.
At least he is commitin 100m to a charity foundation.let our past thieves nd opportunists come up wit more aid for those they have robbed from

The question is "Is fmr Pres. Obasanjo really bad"
My answer is yes. No need comparing him wit any other leader simply put the man is a terrible,wicked, heartless,corrupt and foolish man.
For a man who came out frm prison to be offered d presidency, he had d oportunity to be our mandela,havin sacked all d political elements in d army cld hav gone ahead conduct a credible election in 2003 allow a candidate of d people emerge, then he leaves partisan politics and bcom a statesman whom every contestant will go to and receive blessings instead he wanted to perpetuate himself in power.
Corruption took a new dimension under his watch everyone was encouraged to be corupt as long as u don't go against him, all his failures is what we are reapin today, he failed to fix d refineries, the power sector was destroyed under his watch d prob of d nipp is d failure of due proces as FG u don't just go spending states monies wutout their approvals the niger delta was not as militant as it became after his tenure what hapened to d 285m dolls dat comunication companies paid to get their licences that was meant to tackle power nd infrastructural chalenges in d country because of his stubones students used 7yrs runnin 5yr prog under his watch.
Pls Obj shld neva b nominated or even considad as d best president ever in dis country because he is a tyrannical leader and witout compassion for his fellow brothers (Nigerians) and dis is a man who was sleepin wit his sons wife and saw nothin wrong wit dat oh my God som pple cld even think dat he is our best leader eva God forbid!!!

The yaradua family doesn't want anyone to have access to the president in his sick state I believe that its their fundamental human right. But d ministers are on a solidarity visit to visit their boss, and d family should be able to grant access but whateva happens I believe dat this team will be able to c d president and d outcome will be different otherwise Jonathan will be left wit no other option dan to demand an official report of d presidents health and d process of easing him out of office.

Could it get funnier? Try this
Abacha isn't dead he is coming back to Aso rock, Babangida and Buhari will lead ex soldiers in a coup to oust Abacha frm Aso rock. For those doubtin watch as events unfold in d following years. Lol

This is politics, I hav always known dat he knows how to play the game. So let d game continue,

@Timehin what has Turai done?

@jakumo Buhari is not an avowed enemy of free speech but an avowed enemy of corruption and indiscipline and this was evident in his 12mth stint as head of state and durin d dark days of Abacha he was a small patch of light with the PTF in schools and hospitals u still see evidence of his service to the nation and durin all d noise of probes undertaken by Obj nothin was found against d man.
I don't think his belief in Sharia can't be used against him as a military ruler he didn't impose sharia then as a democratic leader he stil won't just impose it and sharia courts are courts of first instance so if they lik condem a woman to death by stonin al she has to do is appeal a sharia court in dis country can neva be d supreme court in d land so it is a non issue and it wld require d legislature both at d federal nd state levels to concur. Buhari nd Fashola will mak a good team because both men are result oriented

The combination is a very good combination, those who hav bin askin 4 d Rawlings method in dis country can hav somtin lik dat wit Buhari nd Buhari is known as a man who isn't overbearin he allows his deputies and aides work nd contrary to somones earlier post he isn't an undisciplined soldier.
He also has d possibility of bein our Abraham Lincoln who tried again nd again until he finally got it. With a Fashola as deputy wat Buhari thot is impossible Fashola will achieve nd its not abt northern or southern candidates.
This kind of combination will strengthen d opposition if d whole of AC, d part of ANPP loyal to Buhari,Bafarawas DPP and oda mushroom parties put their acts 2geda may be able to unseat d PDP but d alliance is impossible so I'll still favor a Jonathan presidency on d PDP platform.

There's no need to impeach a sick and dying man its a waste of our democratic process. Jonathan is in full control and if he is interested let us allow him play the necesary politics to give him d position. I'm sure Jonathan knows all d intrigues and past evenets show that he knows how to hit wen hot he knows how to take power even frm his adversaries and they won't complain he is expreienced in the art of patience this country shld be allowed to proceed on its path to full democratisation in peace an impeachment can send a wrong signal.

These loyalists are d problem that is why Jonathan needs all d wisdom and maturity he can muster.
We need prayers as a nation because dis is a simple matter but shouldn't be allowed to get out of hand.
Yaradua himself may have given up power but this loyalist will be shieldin and hidin, Jonathan knows wat to do and I believe that God on his side we shall continue to have peace.

@mbulela ok.