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DPizzy:
Yes! Am Currently in Canada about rounding up my Masters degree program...Will be starting my PR processing later in the year...I meant like jobs paying about $72k-$100k...Exactly what I want to know is how I can go about it terms of certifications and red seal required to work in such field...

First of all congrats on the verge of getting your PR. But just an advice. JUST FOCUS ON OFFICIALLY GETTING YOUR PR. Once you get it then we can go from there. You're trying to run before crawling, that's very dangerous when dealing with immigration issues. But I still need more info. Is it a provincial sponsor PR where you'll have to stay in that province (state) for x amount of years ? If so cool down and do your time. If not, you can always message me. 72-100k per year up here in the oilfields is chump change. Cleaners who are illierate get that. I can always direct you to job postings. All you have to do is get certain oilsand safety certificate which takes a day. Take a look at the link below. One of the Ghana lady I know on site who's like 50 years old, said if you join this union, you'll be set as they'll post up up north on camp. All she does is throw out the garbage and put the plates in the dish washer. She literally does nothing as I always see her sitting down and watching TV. She clears/takes home 6k dollars every month after tax without overtime. The link also shows you the certificates you need.


On a side note stop being selfish. Why don't you explain to the people how your experience has been since coming to Canada and being on the verge of getting your PR. Is the government immigrant friendly like they've been advertising ? Do you think you made a good decision coming to Canada oppose to US/UK, etc. Talk to us.

http://www.local47.net/join-unite-here-local-47/

DPizzy:
Hello bro! Need to ask you a question pls.
Could you give an insights into how a person with Economics graduate degree from Canada can switch to high paying oilfield jobs? Like what would be the easiest pathway?

This question is too broad. Are you currently in Canada? Did you get your PR yet or you're in the process ? what's your definition of a high paying job ? And what do you mean switch too ? You don't even need a degree to get a high paying oilfield job. Honestly your question is too broad.

lagosrd:
Hello pretty, thank so much for your response, I have been following your comments ND others on this section for a while now. And also thanks for the reply. But is seems the school fees thing is on a high side. What other way and easier way to get into Canada with my family. Will appreciate your response. Thanks

Migrating is not cheap. And the Canadian government will not have one come here and start collecting benefits without chipping into the system. Usually school or applying as a skilled worker is the way to go. But both need you to have a decent amount of money. Unless you come as a refugee, you're going to have to pay. But please remember I am not a immigration lawyer. These are just my opinions based on personal experience and the experience of other family member/friends.

MISTAICEY02288:
I perfectly understand you too and I would truly advice people yo go to Canada instead of US cos Canada freely grants citizenship while US doesn't. All i was just sayin as that people also have ways[b] of manouvering things in the US too to get the green card buh it takes some processes and time as [/b]well . Thats all I'm sayin. Buh as you said, Canada would be preferable for those who wants easy citizenship.

Not with Trump coming into power in a few days. One will find themselves in Ajegunle real quick. But at least they'll own their own house ?

MISTAICEY02288:
. I understand your point perfectly. The Canadian government gives citizenship to international students while the US doesn't Im not disputing that buh my point is that [b]the smart international students also have their own way of gettin their green cards and also citizenship [/b]in the long run. They have a way of manouvering things tobgetvthe green card and im talkin from what i know. Like i said '' The smart ones''

This leads to yahoo yahoo, illegal dealings. Be smart all you want, if your president is anti-immigration and will close most paths to a green card/citizenship, what can one do ? That's when one starts living underground, getting scared of any police car that goes by. Or you can save all that issues, come to Canada, the migrate down south once you get citizenship. It's an easier and safer route.

MISTAICEY02288:
You didn't get me correctly. I didn't say two people. I said couple of people and what i mean is that i know quite a number of people who camr to US with student visa and have green cards now, not two people. And as for other things you said, well i have nothin more to say. Lets just smwatch and see how things unfolds.

My guy, everything in life is based on supply/demand. The US is filled. 320 million people and not including the undocumented. They have a BETTER chance of being granted a green card in Canada. That's all we're saying. Please stop spreading ignorant news around. You're playing with peoples lives here.

lagosrd:
How expensive and easy is it to get a masters degree programme or diploma in Canada.

You can check on any University's web site under the international student section. How easy ? We'll you'd have to do the actual work, no bribing.

Pidgin2:
I still wonder why the richest man in Africa holds no other passport but that of Nigeria despite all the drawbacks you have stated above

Because he's the richest man in Africa and getting things like a visa won't be an issue. TWoods I assume is middle class in the US. Meaning a Nigerian passport does not benefit him at all, especially over a US passport. Also those rich guys are full of crap. I'm sure most usually have a green card or permanent residency card tucked away somewhere just in case.

MISTAICEY02288:
Both you and Maternal are wrong on this. I know a couple of people that got in to the US with student visa (Masters degree) and now they are green card holders. You both may be right on your parts ooo, but I'm also saying this from what i know and have seen, and not just a hearsay..

We're talking probability. I know a lot of people in Canada who have gone through this, including my cousin. This is first hand experience. The Canadian government is basically begging young and educated students to come. Why go to the US with a soon to be anti-immigration President who has promised to create a task force to deport people. To each it's own I guess.

International graduates of Canadian universities are “the perfect candidates” for citizenship, says immigration minister


http://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/canadian-government-signals-renewed-openness-international-students/

Beautyaddy:
This is very correct advise. Obtaining a green card after graduation with a student visa is very difficult in the US.Unless people who have obtained the green card after graduating with a student visa are not the truth how they got theirs. Unless you get a job that is willing to hire you and then file the green card for you or you obtain it through family sponsorship such as through spouse, siblings( which takes up to 10 years) or parents. It's not possible to just get the green card on a student visa even after graduating.

However, obtaining a way to obtain PR after graduation with a student visa is very possible in Canada as Maternal has stated.

Sorry just to add one more thing to keep things in perspective. I feel this info is also important. Due to the NAFTA agreement, Canadians hired by a US company can just show up at the border, get TN visa after showing proof of employment offer from a US company, and they get a working visa automatically where they can set up bank accounts and live a normal life. This route is much easier for an employer than filling for a international student. Any who lives in the US would know it's not uncommon to see Canadians working in professional jobs down south especially in silicon valley. My point is, unless you discover a cure for Aids or invent the new Facebook, nobody has time for all that paperwork for you. I also noticed a lot of Nigerians are fake in the US. Be careful of them. The one giving you advise usually doesn't have papers themselves. You'll be surprised to wake up one day and Chinedu who you were chillin with not too long ago is calling you from naija.

vickertony:
what of through student visa, eg how come op got permanent residence so soon am just curious bro, i read somewhere in Canada thread, you can apply for pr after you graduate..... isn't applicable to usa!? the above recommendations is really tough for a student moving from Nigeria, you know how it is over here.

Sorry I just want to step in. I'm warning you, DO NOT go to America. I've seen many make such a mistake. When it comes to these immigration issues, everything is based on supply /demand and the political climate in the country. After school in the US it's very hard to get a company to sponsor you (I think citizens/green card holders get first dip at jobs), and marriage isn't always a sure thing. I know many people who got their degree from the US and ran up north to Canada because of immigration issues. Furthermore, the political climate in the US with Trump now in power is anti-immigration. In Canada after a masters you'd get a 3 year work visa, and if you find a relevant job you can apply for permanent residency. After getting citizenship, if you want to move down south, it's so much easier. And if you get deported you just comeback to Canada, which has the same quality of life. After tasting North America it'll be hard to go back to naija. I'm warning you!

A foreign passport like a Canadian, American, British, etc just carries too much advantage than a naija passport. No sane person would give that up and return to such a uncertain country filled with mass corruption. Also those with good foreign passport who can go almost anywhere Visa free are very spoiled. They won't be attempting to get a naija Visa unless they really have too. Like a parents burial or something. I feel the revenue argument would backfire. Have you ever been to a naija embassy abroad ? The insult is unreal. I personally wouldn't go through that just for a visa. A 5 year passport sure.

InvertedHammer:
LOL. A house you bought $260k is now worth $340k. On paper, that is a profit of $80k. Great!

Now grab a paper, pencil and a calculator. Add up all your payments, interests and property taxes (excluding cost of maintenance). Primary residence is never an investment.

How many people do you see owning multiple properties in US? Extremely rare because the mortgage style of financing offers little home for growth.
The difference is that house owners in Nigeria are real landlords.

You made interesting assumptions:
1) You will be healthy enough to pay off your mortgage for the remaining years.
2) Your job will be secure in the next 20+ years.
3) Past performance is an indication of future performance.

The system that values your house at $340k can arbitrarily value it at $100k next year without any physical change to your property. Many people lost their houses in 2008-2011. Some ended up abandoning their houses.

US system is set up for debt. We live that way. But you cannot for the life of me tell me that I am better off with my mortgage of $6k in a month. Some knowledgeable Nigerians take out their equities to buy out properties elsewhere. That should be in your game plan.

Oh and by the way, after paying for 20 years, your now lovely wife may decide that she is fed up with you per irreconcilable differences. Guess what? You pack out. Spread your risks.
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I was going to ignore this post but I couldn't let some believe your assumptions when it comes to this issue.

1. The house came with a finished basement which was turned into a legal 2 bedroom suite. The mortgage, utilities,etc is paid by my 2 tenants and all I pay out of my pockets each month is my TV package (100) and internet (70). Grab a paper, pencil and calculator, what is your profit margin when you buy a house worth $260k is now worth $340k, and you haven't paid a penny in mortgage ?

2. Can a renter predict they'll be healthy for 20 years as well ? Whether healthy or not, a renter would still have to pay rent regardless unless they want to live on the streets, just like someone who pays mortgage. What's your point ? Same thing with job security, can a renter predict they'll have a job for 20 years as well? Job or no job won't they find a way to pay their rent, unless they want to live on the streets.

3. I live in Canada and many people own multiple houses here if planned properly. It's not even a big deal here.

4. Nigeria has a mortgage system as well. And I know people who have taken out line of credits, go to naija, and buy property or start businesses. My mother and brother are one of them. The truth is unless you have access to someones financial books, you don't know how they purchased something.

5. The system that determines the value of my house is based on supply and demand. The 2008-20011 crisis did not really affect Canada. The banking system here is different and more strict. Joe who works at McDonalds will not get approved for a mortgage here. The market here is stable.

Even your President elect Mr.Trump has filed bankruptcy before because he couldn't pay his creditors. The family gained their wealth (Billions of dollars) through real estate which they acquired through bank loans as well. But according to you, the guy who owns his shack in Ajegunle get money pass Donald Trump and is a "real landlord" ? You're only insulting yourself. Seriously go learn how credit works in the west.

signature2012:
How wish Nigerian govt can allow or give same chance to her citizens without "man no man" or favouritism to lease a house and after 30 years it will be finally theirs.
To butress my point,my former landlord is an igbo man,i wont use the word LEASE but bought the house in the year 1998,a 2 story building,he and his family make use of the 2nd floor while he rented out the 1st floor and the basement,the money he makes monthly is double the amount he pays for his monthly mortgage payment.Is that not a good way of having a home and also call it investment?

Back to naija,looking at the country the way it is,what is the % of citizens who have this privilege?

The ignorance Africans have when it comes to credit is pathetic. Well said. I work in the oilfields with other igbos. I know some who used credit and bought several condos. There monthly payments are 700 dollars per month for each unit (The man owns 3), but charges and gets 1300 per month. That's a 600 dollar profit each month per unit. Times that by 3, that's 1800 dollars per month for doing absolutely nothing. He now takes that 1800 and pays 1500 dollars per month towards his own house which his family lives in. That leaves him with 300 dollars to pay the utilities and property tax. So he's paying nothing per month for 3 condo units and his house. Now to mention those property must have appreciated in value significantly all those years.

InvertedHammer:
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Not funny...but just had to laugh.
None of your friends bought a house.
They leased a house that will be theirs in 30 years.
In other words, they signed into servitude.
A man that builds a house in Ajegunle to call his own is better than ten of your friends put together.
But then, you bought into the illusion.

...just saying. But I understand your point.
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Likewise, I had to laugh too. My "lease" was for 25 years and with accelerated payments it'll be 20. But what's even more funny is that the house I bought for 260k is now worth 340k in the 7 years I've owned it. Yes, the house I am "leasing" has flipped me a profit of 80k dollars in those few years. And you know what's funny, I know people (my mother) who are taking these "lease" loans, buying house in naija, and making the poor soles down there pay them rent. In short goes to paying the bank back with interest, while full right ownership goes towards my mother. My guy almost everyone pays these "leased payments", unless you're Dangote, except mine goes towards full right ownership with each payment. Whereas a common man in naija go pay rent till he dies. I'm not interested in the few in naija who can afford home ownership, I'm talking about the masses. If I have to pay rent I might as well be paying into a "lease" which goes towards me owning it outright within x amount of years, than throwing money away. Make sense ?


A man that builds a house in AJ city can call his shack his own all he wants. I'd rather pay the 20 years and have a house with constant electricity, running water, good workmanship, solid foundation, etc. To me that's better than calling a shack built beside raw sewage in a 3rd world country my own. Besides with one pay cheque I can come and buy it outright from him. Is that suppose to be impressive ? But you're ignorant on how credit works, and how you can use it for your best interest, build the middle class, and to accumulate assets which turns into wealth down the line (See my leased house which is now worth 80k more).

Just saying... But I understand your point.

DeepFriedPuff:
[color=magenta]and usually the its the 1s who want 2 flee ta another country who lack the will or care or are 2 lazy 2 put in effort to make their country as good as the 1 they ran 2

u and those who liked yer post and hold yer mindset of relocation are only thinking of yer Own comfort
so the state of affairs in a country is no matter .
U want a ready made country to live in
and u have the audacity to speak on the laziness and lack of effort of lower tear America's

:oU and the people who liked yer post are just like em!!!!!
Not putting in effort to improve her country or 2 lazy

Nigerian can be good,she is already developing . instead of fantasizing about moving abroad 2 America while bashing the lower classes of her citizens for their personal concerns . concerns u have yerself in yer country

why don't u vote better and put in effort 2 make yer country more livable [/color]

Anyone who doesn't put the interest of their families first before a country, specifically one created by Britain who just put different tribes together who don't even like each other is an idiot. While you're busy building Nigeria, politicians have already got their children out and are making a plan to leave as well once their term is over. If the people elected to build the country don't believe in her own progression, then your effort will be useless. In Nigeria you take one step forward then 2 step backwards. Its pointless and we all know it.

bayocanny:
Thunder go fire Nigerian Politicians...see the way everything make sense for obodo oyinbo, whoever come on this thread and start saying trash about "e o easy in yankee" whalai I go curse the persin. FrankNetter, Signature2012 and other person wey dey amelika continue posting pcitures I dey gbadun you guys. Wherever I am na yankee I dey see for vision, in my dream...yankee, when eating...yankee, walking on the street...na so so yankee I dey always visualize, even inside the lecture room...na yankee I no dey concentrate in class any longer. Even if lecturer ask me question, na definition of yankee I dey give, lol mehn I don tire...
Abeg, yankee na country, other countries are local government...I go soon run away

LOL I haven't laugh like this in years. Na def of Yankee I go give. My cousin is the same way but I'll be sponsoring him out of there soon.

lakesidepapa:
So someone can not just jump/land into the job of his/her vocational skill without being certified and obtain the red seal? I'm talking about the skill someone acquired bck from home.

No. Maybe if you got it from the UK/US and you do a equivalent, and convert it into Canadian qualifications (I'm in Canada). Those two countries shouldn't have a problem. But from Nigeria, no or it'd be very hard. Even if you do get it converted, when employers see that Nigerian qualification they'd rather hire someone with Canadian qualification any way. You just can't trust qualifications from Nigeria. You have many illiterates with degrees from naija. Levels get levels. But if here, spend 3-4 years to get a relevant qualification and you'll be ok.

lakesidepapa:
This is what am talking about and i love it! Reason for not furthering my education is because my course is not part of STEM and for this, my Msc can only be sell-able in Naija and my body&soul is out of this coun3. So i got a vocational skill and experience already, I think this will be a good ride for me out there.

Over here unless you have a degree as a doctor, Pharmacists, etc or some professional degree, you're wasting your time. Skilled workers make a lot of money here. Once you get certified and obtain a red seal, you'll be laughing. School nowadays are a scam, just a business.

Teddywhiz1:
@maternal which province in Canada are you? Manitoba?

Calgary to be exact.

PlayaOne is one of those people who came abroad and didn't plan his life. After years of being a "playa" while his mates were grinding and built a good middle class lifestyle with assets, he has finally opened his eyes on the opportunities he had and eventually wasted. Now ashamed and embarrassed he needs to make excuses for his successful or lack of it abroad. So now he's running around discouraging people from coming abroad, and blaming racism and everybody for his lack of success abroad. Notice he hasn't taken any responsibility as well? Is someone putting a gun to his head and making him stay in America ? I'm 31 and in Canada, all my mates who came here all own houses and drive nice cars within 6 years after arriving. My cousin who just came here 4 months ago as a skilled worker just landed a entry level job at a major bank taking home 2600 Canadian dollars per month after taxes. You do the conversion. That's a entry level position. And he has his own apartment and about to get a car, not to mention he has the luxury of living in a country that provides everyday amenities (running water, constant neppa,etc). How many 31 year old can accomplish this in naija in 4 months unless there papsi was one big politician stealing money ? The funny part is, my uncle (his dad) was originally against him migrating here. Now he thanked God he did. He use to be one of those naija patriots (like playa), even he can say youths in naija have a future with a straight face anymore.

Playaone is a fool. Original onye ara. Don't mind him. Come abroad and you will not regret it, I promise you! Your destiny is literally in your own hands here, no bullsh!t. You work hard you'll be successful period!

dotedote:
i'd say ds is really the most inappropriate time to try discouraging people from wanting to leave the shores of 9ja. I really don't have much to add other than refer you to both the exchange rate (of the 2 currencies) and the minimum wage in the 2 countries. WOULD YOU OVER THERE RATHER COME HOME NOW TO LIVE ?

They're just talking nonsense. People who say "America is not easy" always forget naija is he'll. Even before the exchange rate any youth who has a chance to leave should do so asap. I feel bad for any youth stuck there. Very hopeless country.

lindaayim:
It may or may not.........(subjective) but we are not here to compare Nigeria vs USA/ western countries. The topic did say do you as a naturalized US citizen get fully respected/ treated as a native born citizen.

It's is and you know it. At the end of the day if people with the same colour as yourself discriminate against you, can you really be mad/surprise if those without do the same ?

TheCongo2:
The danger about subtle racism is the fact that often time it can only be felt or perceived by the victim alone. And when the victim tries to cry for help, people think he is overreacting or he is crazy.

If you apply to be a pharmacists with just a high school diploma you're not a victim, you're just an idiot. Stop it.

TWoods:
To be honest, I think this was a passive aggressive and totally unnecessary confrontation with someone who was probably just trying to start a friendly conversation. I'm also fairly up the income/social ladder here myself and i often get the "where are you from" question from most people. The lady was correct, it's impossible for anyone born and raised in the US to have the sort of accent like yours so it was a fair question. There was no need for your response. It's ok to simply state that you were born African but a naturalized US citizen. We joke about it in my office here, people try really hard to say my name and i tease them by scoring them on points based on who can say the name the best. We all have a good laugh and that's it. I work with 99.9% whites and have never felt any disrespect on account of my name or accent (which people think ranges from English to Jamaican).

If you search desperately for bias or bigotry, you will find it.

Thank you. Though it obviously exist. My former Cameroon friend would claim a white guy was racist towards him, due to the way the white guy looked at him. He was crazy man.

TWoods:
Not dismissing your experience by any means but can we really compare the quality of medical education in Nigeria and Canada? Is a Nigerian medical license equivalent expertise to a Canadian? Of course if I ran a hospital here, I'd expect a Nigerian doctor to have obtained some additional education and experience here before I can employ him.

That's what I'm saying. Everything isn't always about racism. What next we'll let a juju doctor practice here. But before any doctor touches me or my child here, I want the government to make sure their qualification meets Canadian standards. How is that racist ?

TheCongo2:
I am shivering after reading your post.

My brother, I have learned it the hard way. It is not because someone has the title of engineer or doctor that you will assume he is been treated accordingly at his place of work. You have no idea what some people may be going through daily at work. Sometime people are assigned tasks at work that are below their skills (a far cry from their skills or from their titles). I have seen it happened. Some people are being assigned to less desirable jobs, or being denied mentoring and training. You would never be able to confirm if some of those Nigerians doctors and engineers are NOT going through this type of humiliation at work.

Adding to that, there is also a notion of token inclusion which is just a symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of racial equality within a workforce. And sometimes those people are being treated just as a token inclusion at work and they can't move forward. They are hired just to embellish the company image with respect to integration.

You seem to undermine the notion of racism in Canada on the basis that you have seen Nigerians doctors, engineers in Canada. However, we don’t know what those engineers and doctors think about discrimination in Canada. Maybe some of them are at the end of the rope and can’t take it anymore.

I am Canadian Citizen and I love Canada. I would never choose to live anywhere other than in Canada. This doesn’t mean I have to agree with anything that going on in Canada. I have to speak out against injustice. On a side note, I work in IT and make close to 100K a year. I don’t consider myself to be an unsuccessful or underachieved black male. As a matter of fact, I have accomplished more than the average person in my community which is mostly white.

As for your notion of asking an immigrant to renounce his citizenship and grab a 1 way flight back home because he is expressing his frustration with the system, this is just another example of subtle racism given that a white person can freely express his frustration without been asked to leave. In this case you are becoming part of the problem instead of providing a solution.

My opinion is that if you are minority in Canada, go for your own business to avoid a lot of BS that minority employees face daily.

As a black brother I would ask you that we have to agree to disagree without taking things personally.

With plenty of love

Congo, nothing is taken personally. We're all here to discuss our opinions and experiences, and most importantly learn from each other. I'm equally shivering as well. I'll be addressing both your posts by numbers, so this post may be long. To begin with I've been called a nigger to my face and I have an African name, no English name whatsoever. When I submit my resume, not only do they know I'm African, but my tribe. Furthermore, I was here before the wave of Nigerians who are now just coming in, and before naija culture was recognized or "poppin". Believe me when I say I know and have experienced racism in this country. Before I start let me tell you a story. I have an ex friend from Cameroon. When he came here he got PR. He immediately enrolled into University (that's where we met)and took out 15k worth of student loans. He dropped out of school because he claimed it was too hard and the profs didn't want to see a black man pass. On top of the 15k loan which he chopped and never paid back, he maxed out his 8k credit card. Now he's unable to get certain jobs which require the candidate to have a decent credit score, or jobs which require at least a degree. And yes you guessed it, it's the white man's fault for all this. He said he'll be moving back to the states where it's less racists, and "where black people eat". Keep in mind he lived in the states for 12 years and accomplished nothing there as well. All his downfall in life is blamed on the white man. I got him a 6 figure job in the oilfield. After not being productive and showing up late, he got fired. And yes you guessed it again, they fired him because they were racists. Keep in mind the manager was a black south African and 80 percent of the employees were black. You see in life sometimes you have to look in the mirror and fix yourself and stop playing the victim role. Not every white person is out to keep the black man down. Now back to the matter.


1. Many employers devalue foreign credentials because they may not meet Canadian standards and its hard to validate some of their credentials from their home country. A doctor trained in Canada/US with the latest technology is definitely more suitable to being a doctor here. My friends ex husbands sister does background checks/verification for new immigrants with a medical degree from a foreign country. She said it's hard to verify their credentials, and even if she does, some of these countries are so corrupted that you can't trust their degrees. So for public safety a lot of times they can't recognize them. But yes in other fields Canada should recognize foreign credentials. But I've seen white Americans and Europeans who's degrees were not recognized as well. It doesn't only happen to minorities.

2. While it's bad since we're minorities, but people tend to gravitate towards people who are similar to them. A white man will most likely call another white man for a job, just like a man from x tribe would most likely call someone from his tribe for a job interview. But this is where A-action is imperative.

3. Canada had slavery, even before the US. Though it ended much earlier and wasn't as brutal. I meant Canada was better in terms of killings. Blacks aren't killed by the police like that. But systematic racism is still the same in both countries. Remember these countries were not built for blacks/minorities to prosper.

4. Everyone strives to be self employed to avoid BS. Blacks aren't the only race which deals with BS in the workplace.

5.My friend the engineer FEMI is a director, he assigns the work. And Yinka the doctor owns his practice. Nobody assigns him work either. But I understand your point, some may be subjected to humiliating jobs despite their title. But some may not be.

6. I assume the "token inclusion" is reference to the few links I posted of the few success blacks. Drop your victim mentality for 1 second and think about what you're saying. Chief Clunis was one of the first black police officers in Winnipeg, a very white and racist city. He worked his way up in the ranks before becoming chief of police and getting the approval from city council an the mayor. He was an immigrant from Jamaica. Chief Saunders another immigrant has served over 30 years with the Toronto Police. He as well worked his way up the rank before becoming chief. His deputy chief is also black, meaning when he moves on, another black man will most likely take over as chief. He has dedicated over 30 years of his life to the city and police force. Ms Hunter, another immigrant from Jamaica came into the country and got her BA degree and eventually masters. She was associate minister of finance and parliamentary assistant to the minister of community and social services, before becoming the minister of education. To suggest these people (I'm assuming that's what you meant by token) or any black person who's in a significant position in this country is just a token puppet is insulting and regressive to the movement. I'm sure if you asked these people if they faced racism throughout their careers they'll tell you yes. But they didn't just stay there and complain about how they're being victimize.


7. The grab a 1 way ticket and go back home is to remind Africans who constantly complain about abroad, and who are NOT proactive is to remind them our countries are not some perfect wonderland either. We don't even respect each other and we're the same skin colour. Of course if you're a citizen of a country you should partake in it's make up, while doing your part as well. And no just complaining is not doing your part.


Sorry for the long post.

dasparrow:
I have never for once imagined Canada to be a country where there is no racism. Anywhere the whites are, there is bound to be some racism. I once stumbled on a newspaper article online written by a white Canadian where he argued that racism maybe even worse in Canada and he cited examples of how white Canada treats her indigenous population namely the first nation Amerindians poorly. The article spoke of how first nation citizens live on reserves mapped out for them and the poverty they face. So I always knew discrimination exists in Canada's society. Would you like to share some of your experiences with us what it is like living as an immigrant or minority in Canada?

This all depends on each individuals experience and perception of life. I'm a black man who lives in Canada so I can only give my experience. To begin with a lot of the native Indian reserves are autonomous. Some mismanage their own resources, though there's racism in Canada for sure, especially towards them. As a black man in Canada, there's racism, usually subtle, but if you work hard, know the right people and network; you can overcome it. But some (usually the loser unsuccessful blacks) in Canada will spend all their energy crying racism claiming that's why they haven't succeeded, making it sound like the police are killing blacks like in America and all blacks are living in the streets. Yet if you ask them to renounce their citizenship and grab a 1 way flight back home, they wouldn't. The fact is a white person here treats them better than their own fellow African back home. The fact is the government recognizes racism, and attempts to reduce it as you'll never eliminate racism. The Congo winning his court case shows recognition. When Trump called for the borders to be closed, our PM admitted a lot of Syrian refugees and was at the airport to great them personally. I personally know Nigerians who are Engineers, doctors, working in Parliament, etc, in Canada. Remember the black population in Canada is around 3 percent of the total population in the country, and we still hold very key positions in society. To me that's impressive.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/devon-clunis-retire-donut-1.3668606

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/05/20/mark-saunders-to-be-sworn-in-as-toronto-police-chief.html

https://news.ontario.ca/profiles/en/mitzie-hunter?_ga=1.257514818.815125228.1469362055

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/free-tuition-in-ontario-doesnt-mean-there-are-no-costs-wynne

You have police chief(s) and the Ontario minister of education who are black. And Ontario which has the highest amount of black residents in Canada will begin paying for students tuition who's family household income is 83k or less. What a racist country !

progress69:
Thanks jare. People wey never get visa before not to talk of travelling out before go con dey form super advisers dey rude on top am. Blab like every thing is as easy as ABC.
I am not desperate, I know no one will disturb u as long as u stay away from crime and troubles that can land you in police wahala. But all tru then, one has to do all these little jobs to sustain. But those little jobs still makes more sense compared to Nigeria, plus the standard of living and the relative peace of mind.Perhaps with time, one will get a spouse. U only have mouth whe. U have that green card. Will make a solid decision next year, God help me!

Stop forming already.