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DrNeoCortex:
Thanks for the response. I have sought professional help from an immigration lawyer to pick holes in my application and also requested for the GCMS notes.

I was a bit furious when I typed the note so apologies for my strong language. But you can always trust Nigerians to respond with their "I am better than you" cap than profer solutions to the issues.

1. There is nothing wrong with inviting your spouse to visit or live with you if you are either a student or foreign worker. Nobody mentioned having any rights. Countless number of folks have done it even while we were in school.

2. My wife is included in my PR application to the Federal government as a provincial nominee so no need for additional filing when that comes in

3. I only mentioned my salary to put into context the financial conditions under which we applied for the visa. I am not contesting how much anyone else makes or whether they have global citizenship

4. Implying that a visiting visa is not a proper way is wrong. It is only a two-step way rather than outrightly applying for a Spouse Open Work Permit (SOWP). My wife had a job at the time. The intention was to visit and if she finds opportunities in the city where I live, she will resign and apply for a work permit within Canada.

5. Why am I in such a rush? We have been married for over one year. I do not think it is out of line to ask for your new wife to visit you. Or, is there a timeline to applying for a spouse after marriage.

6. When you say they are not idiots. Nobody said they are. I do not believe a wife visiting her husband legally working in another country is implying that the immigration officers are idiots.

Nonetheless, thanks a lot for your response.

No shaking. I'm giving you a real life answer. If you want a sugar coated answer go to a different board. We're all grown here, at this age we can handle the truth. And yes as a Canadian citizen I am better and more valued than you are until you get citizenship. At least in the eyes of MY Canadian government. I cannot be deported and I get first bids on certain jobs within the country. It's simply a fact, no need to get emotional. But back to the matter:

1. Nothing is wrong with that. But they'll be skeptical about it for obvious reasons. And please stop comparing your situation with another persons. Each file or immigration issue is unique.

2. You did not mention that. Either way nothing has been granted to you or your wife, so the gov't doesn't have the obligation to grant you anything.

3. Never accused you of such. I don't get this response.

4. What you think is a proper way to do things, immigration may not, even though it's not illegal. Like you said, "The intention was to visit and if she finds opportunities in the city where I live, she will resign and apply for a work permit within Canada." No sane person would go back to naija with the economic situation, lack of basic amenities, etc. They know that. And whether you want to admit it or not, both your plans was to find a job in Canada and be done with naija. Again they're not foolish my guy.

5. Don't act like you didn't know this may be the situation. Why you're acting surprised is beyond me. You think you're the only one trying to bring his spouse here? Again you're not even a PR or citizen yet. I'm sure those peoples application are more urgent. Because a citizen can actually take the government to court if they've been waiting such an unreasonable time (more perks I have over you). My guy from PH who's a citizen just brought his wife over who's from Abia. Took less than a year. A coincidence ?

Bros no vex. But I have seen people come or try to come here through any means possible you can think off. Any immigration lawyer will tell you no immigration process is black or white. But to feel frustrated about immigration issues without any real status in the country, wey they can even deport you tomorrow sef, is comical. The gov't wouldn't even take your complaints seriously. My 2 cents.

DrNeoCortex:
Hi guys...I have been on this site before but now there is fire on the mountain...and I really need some help.

I got a study visa to go to Canada in July 2014 and have been in Canada since then. I came to Nigeria in September of 2015 to get married to my wife. I was a student at the time and we applied for a visiting visa for her in December which was rejected on the basis of travel history, personal assets and home ties. I should note here that she has been to the UK before in 2014 but the visa is expired.

I finished school in April 2016 and immediately got a job in May that pay over $100k/annum which is OK for Canada. We reapplied again for a visiting visa on July 13, 2016 and I just got a rejection letter again this morning stating the same reasons but now including employment status. I should note that my wife was employed at the time but she has now resigned her employment. One key document that I included in my second application was my provincial nomination. I was nominated by the province of BC for permanent residency which I have applied for by paper. The second application also included my employment offer letter stating my salary, my bank statement in Canada, my payslips. HEr father's properties in Nigeria e.t.c.

I am confused and very frankly frustrated with these guys at this point. I wonder why they are treating us this way. I need help guys. Is there anything we are missing? I must also say that I was applying for a visiting visa for her with the intention that she will apply for an open work permit when she gets to Canada.

I really need some help here. Thanks guys.

I've been dealing with Immigration Canada for some time. And one thing they are not are idiots. You got married and applied for a visiting visa for your wife. Its obvious that you planned to bring her to Canada to live WITHOUT going through the proper immigration route. You're currently just on a WORKING visa until you get your permanent residence card, then you'll have more rights. You have NO right to bring your wife to Canada as of yet. Relax and cool down. Wait till you get your PR card then start filing for your wife. Why are you in such a rush. You have a 6 figure job and will soon be a PR. You're in a better situation than most immigrants. Just wait till you get your PR. I'm a Canadian citizen and I've been trying to get my cousin here for 2 to 3 years and I also make 6 figures. They've been giving me grief, so who the hell are you, a non citizen to them? Your time will come, just wait for a bit.

You're just seeking attention. If you had a chance to leave for the US you would have by now. Stop it !

musicwriter:
The same message I' am passing on Nairaland is the same message I' am passing on iTunes and facebook, and I will even escalate it in future.

No, I'll never accept a one way ticket to the west. NEVER!!. Even Muamah Ghadaffi don't have enough faith as I have on Africa.

I see. So it's justifiable to use the bad western creation for your own benefits, because it's for a good cause. But when some want to migrate to west countries for their benefits they're sell outs ? Again where do you reside full time. Remember I already know the answer.

musicwriter:
And if you're blaming our leaders, note that you too would be one of those leaders in 10, 20, 30 years. Who knows!.

If you hate this video, then stop worshiping white people and start calling for Africa to be self reliant. Let's create and take control of our languages, education, culture, ideals, philosophy, point of view, e.t.c. Let us just be Africans solving our own problems, same way Britain is cutting of from the European Union, cause they just want to be British.

As long as you worship white people and even thank them for giving you English language (which is destroying our native African languages), as long as you think we cannot do without the west, for so long shall we look up to them, for so long shall millions of Africans be inspired to travel to Europe.

African nations should cut ties with or at least minimize ties with western nations for a period of soul searching. Lets take control of our destiny. Let's take the bull by the horn. Only then shall we discover how to solve our problems ourselves.

If you give me the whole of Europe plus America, I'll choose Africa.

You sound like you're African American. I'm also sure you don't live on the continent, and I'm also sure if I offered you a 1 way ticket anywhere in Africa you wouldn't go. I see you have a pan African FACEBOOK group and some music on ITUNES. While you call to ban everything west, you simply can't live without anything else non west.

So she got/getting rewarded by her hard work.

Number 8 is very true. I'm in canada and their was a soccer tournament along with an independent day celebration at the embassy. Some fans and drummers came. When it was time to go nobody showed up at the airport. I've heard some claimed asalyum and got it. Ironically their "shameful" practice has them living better than most Nigerians. What should be discussed is why people have to take such desperate measures.

shinarambo1:
It's in Engineering. I would say my case is that of luck meets opportunity. I came in as a permanent residence(federal skilled workers program) as my occupation was in demand in Canada. The processing time for UK resident was very fast back then (mine took less than 9months). I got citizenship after 3 years as a PR, it has now recently been changed to 4 years.

Note: I applied for MSc for the same program in Canada but was denied admissions by two schools, and all i got were pg cert/dip which really meant nothing to me as I had a good degree. Even some of my friends cgpa's close to a first class were denied admissions too. Canada has few universities and specialization, so they are hard to get into unlike UK universities.

While my employer in the UK could not sponsor a 3-5 years work permit after the expiry of my international engineering graduate work permit, I had some friends that were lucky as their employers sponsored them, and all now have either indefinite leave to remain or citizenship in the UK.

My UK degree greatly reduced my workload in the regulatory exams here in Canada to enter my practice. Some exams were waived. That is because UK degrees are very much respected in Canada or Australia. (I had friends that moved there too).

Life is funny. I have met Nigerians here that came in to Canada for post graduate certificate/dip program as far back as 2010, and they still don't have citizenship. They keep jumping from one academic program to another to maintain status. When they realize I came in direct PR from a different country, they are always surprised.

Bottom line. It's best if you can get admissions into a masters program in Canada. Even though PR is not guaranteed anymore as immigration rules have changed with time (became tighter). One may still have a shot at it.

You're story mirrors my cousins who just came 4 months ago from the UK. I've met alot of students from the UK who came here through that program.

nkechima:
Thanks for your input but you did not answer my question. Please, go through my writeup again it says FSW program and not student visa. The question says "when do work experience start to count" before or after studies? i. e can one claim points on the experience one had before the completion of her course.

My cousin said they counted his after his studies. But again I'm not the right person to ask.

shinarambo1:
There are no immigration rule(s) that gives entry clearance officers the authority not to grant student visa to people of over 30 years old. Canada does not discriminate based on age, gender or culture.

A friend of mine got his younger brother who is over 30 years old here just last month via student visa. He resumed a diploma program at the local college here. Another friend got his brother-in-law into the country last year semptember. He is over 30 years too. The two lads both attend the same college(red river college). In addition to that, there are countless numbers of Nigerians over 30 years of age attending various msc and phd programs in universities all over canada.

Having lots of money in the bank or access to credit does not translate to easy visa issuance. Infact, the ECO might see your house(s) or car(s) as a liability if not fully paid off. My wife's colleaugue, a pharm from nigeria just resumed at the university of manitoba. She is over 30. She got scholarship offered by uni of manitoba just enough to pay her school fees and keep her alive every month. She had less than a million in her account in Nigeria when she applied, yet she was granted a study permit.

"It is left for your cousin to prove to the ECO beyond reasonable doubt that he or she is a genuine student".

This is the government of Canada not the government of the world. Their goal is to build and maintain a 1st world country and that requires allowing people into the country that'll help it grow, specifically economically. Yes Canada does not discriminate against age, gender and culture on paper, but they still do. When applying with the federal government here they ask for your race. They're trying to recruit more minorities into the federal government because they're under-represented and usually get discriminated against. Police tend to arrest and charge more minorities than white, even though whites make up more of the population. My friend though illegal, discrimination does happen in Canada and the fed gov't has admitted that.

But like I said immigration issues is not black and white and everyone's case is different/unique. The recruiter and agent at the college both said your chances drastically reduce once you're 30 and up. While you have listed a few which beat the odds, do you know how many student visa's get refused based on that ? Furthermore, if the country is lacking a certain profession or if your phd is on something potential revolutionary, I'm sure they'd grant a visa. Again everyone's situation is different and unique. I'm going by my current experience and what the advisers, agent and lawyers have been telling me.

Lastly, how many peoples houses are paid off in the west ? Would I be less of a liability if I was renting a house while being on welfare ? I own my house, car is paid off, and I work in the oilfields in Alberta making losts of money. And the amount they require I have and more in my account cash. That's my money no loans. I have spent thousands of dollars on lawyer fees. He is a legit student and wants to continue his studies here and eventually stay. He has done 2 years of Uni in naija and has all the documents to prove it.

shinarambo1:
His recruiter is obviously wrong.
Maybe what the recruiter meant to say was that people applying for diploma, pgcert or pgdip usually have an high refusal rate. Even at that, some still scale through.

Obviously. Immigration is not black and white. She said and I quote, "people who apply as a student at 30 years and up usually have a 99 percent rejection rate by immigration". Regardless of whether its a diploma or degree program. Obviously theirs always an exception to the rule. They'll give a person admission, but immigration issues the visa. My cousin is 27 and is currently trying to get in another route. He appealed a decision and should be going for his 2nd interview soon. If he gets rejected again we'll be trying the school route. I'm just gathering all the info and filling out the paperwork so we can move to this route if he gets denied again.

Both the recruiter and lawyer said we should move quickly before he turns 30. I have a good job, I own my house where he'd be staying while in school, he'll be able to use my car and I'll be paying his school fees. I have more than enough money (liquid cash) they require and a huge line of credit from the bank just in case I run out of cash. Furthermore i'm a CAnadian citizen. Yet with all that he said immigration would most likely reject him. So what do you think the luck would be for someone who's 30 and up in naija and wants to come here for school without the support my cousin has ?

Lastly she said they're aware of the recession and how desperate people are trying to leave. That at 30 plus they question if person X is really trying to leave just for school. These embassies are not stupid my people.

lagosrd:
I sent you a personal mail cos I noted your experience in explanations. You're the kind of people we need on this forum. People who can say the truth as it is. If travelling out of Nigeria will not favour one then the earlier the better one know so as to find other legitimate things to do. I give you kudos for the jobs you're doing here.

However I really want to know how to migrate to Canada with my family of two kids legitimately kindly enlighten me please. I need this info urgently. Thanks as you revert.

To be honest I'm not qualified to answer such a question. I've seen family men here use numerous routes to get their family here, from refugee claim to coming as a skilled worker.

nkechima:
Good evening house, I just realized that I can apply for FSW with my 3 years PT OND certificate. However, I have been denied student Visa twice maybe because I did not include my OND certificate when applying or because I am in my late 30's going for undergraduate course. Also, I have three years Ban with Australia.
I have tried to explain myself before asking any question in this forum. I have some worries.
Please, do one start counting work experience after or before completion of study

I'm actually in the process of getting my cousin into Canada as a student. The recruiter said anyone over 30 coming in as a student they usually deny. Plus with your record with Australia you most likely won't get in.

I believe no one would be interested in becoming an illegal immigrant in this time and age.


Yes, the economy is pretty bad at the moment due to the fall in oil price, and other natural resources. Canada unlike Norway did not save for the rainy days, and has an economic that heavily depends on the extraction industry.. Canada's oil is also one of the most expensive to oil to extract in the world so a little change in oil price affects the whole economy. Obama also vetoed the keystone pipeline to convey oil to US. The new liberal government sustainable environment policy is also not helping. Hopefully, the price of oil would bounce back as always.

Everything you said is not true and misleading to be honest. Also you simply cannot compare Norway with Canada

dasparrow:
Why won't he be happy? Everyone cannot go to USA, Canada and UK. Besides, there are citizens of the aforementioned countries who are moving to countries like Chile especially retirees. In case you don't know, Chile is better than Nigeria. Their citizens enjoy a better life than what we Nigerians are dealing with here. In Nigeria, if you are not rich, you can't live comfortably.

Life expectancy rate for Chile is 79.57 years old. Nigeria's life expectancy is what? 52 years, lol. Chilean citizens can travel to 155 countries visa free or visa on arrival on their passport ranking their passport 19th in the world. Nigerian passport? 44 countries ranking Nigerian passport 92nd in the world, lol. Chile GDP per capita is $15,732.31. What is the GDP per capita for Nigeria? $3,005.51. What is the population of Chile? 17.62 million. Nigeria's population? About 180 million perhaps?

Abeg, let's mind how we look down on other nations when Nigeria ain't all that. Just because some countries are not as economically flamboyant like Canada, Germany, USA does not mean their citizens are living a life of hell like many Nigerians are living in Nigeria. Most Chileans are living a better life than Nigerians in Nigeria you best believe it.

Nobody is leaving Canada,US or UK to live in Chile. It's simply a downgrade. They'll go there for a small time simply to exploit the country. A retiree money in that country stretches further. But after the winter months, they rush back to Canada,US,etc. Look Chile is a 3rd world country period. Though it's still better than naija and the living condition is better. I agree. But nobody should settle for Chile. Do everything possible to get into Canada,US, or UK. I'd personally try till I die if I was stuck in naija. If I'm going to leave my home country it's not to switch to another man's 3rd world country. I can only deal with the nonsense that comes with living in another man's country (racism) unless I have a 1st world standard of living.

My cousin just came into Canada as a skilled worker . He has since received his PR card. He couldn't imagine how his life would be if he returned to naija and had to deal with the buhari economy . For those applying, keep on till you get it. It's well worth it and will forever changed your life.

MasterRahl:
Macbooks are manufactured in the US hence the citizens acquire it at cheap prices. Anyway, methinks there's no need for this comparison. Most white folks live fake lives. They live on credit that's why they rely heavily on the credit card system which they must pay back. We in naija use debit cards mostly hence your account must be well funded before you can make a purchase. My point is I believe in Nigeria. I'm not carried away by whatever happens in the West. Nigeria shall be great.

You're very ignorant.

1. Its not made in America.

2. It's not cheap at all.

3. The credit system is small in naija because the economy is horrible and it's a 3rd world country. A credit system is actually good and healthy for the economy if used properly of course. I personally only use credit for a big purchase like a house.

4. The only peoples who's accounts are "well funded" are the corrupted politicians or their offspring.

pendragon35:
Good day good pple of Nairaland.pls don't know if this is the best decision for my career.I am still an undergraduate of one the Nigerian Universities;Thus my uncle informed me recently asking if I can accept to quit my education here in Nigeria and continue it there in Italy,and currently am in 200lvl .But the issue is whether to quit or to continue,but as it stands am biased but my siblings are in support of me to quit for a greener pasture over there,perhaps my parents seems to not support such idea hence asking me to finish up here first.To me my programme is 5yrs(long) duration and this is just an opportunity in disguise.Although i considered mny factors vis-a-vis financial status of the family nd d country as well b4 heeding to such decision.pls Ur candid opinions will be of utmost help tomy future.Hoping for the best undisputed suggestions from matured folks.tnx all

If your uncle is ready to fund your education abroad go for it. GET OUT OF NIGERIA. Now I'm not familiar with Italian law, but if they don't give you the chance to stay after your studies, go to a country who will. Finish school abroad and get legal status should be your goal. But just get out of naija. Your uncle is offering a blessing, don't fukkk it up.

Like I said black racism kills.

Chinom:
@maternal, I was about to leave the forum when I saw your post. My reply is intended to educate you.The scenario you painted applies to Nigerians or other Africans who were born in Nigeria but came to the West as adults. Or even came as children on a Nigerian passport. That is not the situation with this 'Swiss' guy. Here is a quote from the article:

"Last year, canton Zurich’s migration office ruled that the man should leave the country immediately after serving his sentence. Zurich’s cantonal administrative court has confirmed the withdrawal of his residence permit, though the judgement is not yet final.
The court acknowledged that leaving Switzerland for an essentially foreign country would be a hardship, but maintained that he was young enough to learn a new language and build a new life for himself in Nigeria."

Take it from me, this guy can only go to Nigeria if he wants to. The deportation order is worthless. As a matter of fact, a good lawyer will get him his Swiss citizenship now. There is a reason his case hit the lime lights. I really do not think that this guy is in a position to make rational decisions despite his age. Some NGO will step in on his behalf. Note: He was ordered to leave the country after serving his sentence. He is not being forcefully deported. He will be given 28days to leave Switzerland which of course will not happen.

I have never seen such ignorance. Not only do I know countless of people who have been through deportations, my guy was just deported almost a month ago. Furthermore, I know several Nigerians who were born in the UK but were never granted citizenship. Let me simplify how things work in the west. You have citizens and non citizens. If you're a citizen you have a RIGHT to remain in the country and several rights are given to you. If you're a non citizen you have no/limited rights and can be subject to deportation at the desecration of the government at any time. What's so hard to understand ? This man is NOT a citizen, he's a career criminal and the Swiss courts have determined he should be deported, so he will be. I know its hard for a lot of Nigerians here to comprehend that a country actually cares for it's citizens and doesn't want career criminals who are not citizens in their country.Lastly, an order for deportation is everything. It's what makes the deportation legal. In Canada's case as I was previously talking about, NGO's and lawyers in the country stepped in. This still got deported even without legal/proper travel documents. The world doesn't care about peoples rights who come from 3rd countries in case you haven't noticed.


The agency's solution has been to hire pilots or airlines to fly deportees without legal paperwork into Somalia from a neighbouring country such as Kenya. Official travel documents are impossible to come by given the country's unstable government.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/a-story-of-deportation-to-somalia-and-canada-s-voice-at-war-1.2907289/to-no-man-s-land-the-story-of-saeed-jama-s-deportation-to-somalia-1.2907291

UuzbaGuuzba:
This just ain't fair. So they are saying Bad Behaviour = Nigeria?
All the Swedish the guy is speaking no pass their JAMB to qualify for citizenship?

i'm sorry for Nigerian overseas. Dem gat to waka like chicken ontop broken glass for night. Cross all the T's and dot all the I's. When Oyibo no free hail them, they will come to Nairaland to hail themselves with statements like: "In France where I live, Or Over here in the states..." Na recognition una dey find.

But when Oyibos come here, they create massive oil spills, beat up domestic workers and have multiple servants struggling to drive their cars and wash their clothes... Of course there is nothing any white man has done in Nigeria that warrants deportation. They are always welcome. abi?

I feel sorry for Nigerians in nigeria, where a whole federal government can't provide the safety of little girls going to school. Have all the girls been returned ? Lol. This man did not have citizenship and was a lawless criminal. Therefore according to their LAWS he shall be deported. Unlike Nigeria Swiss does not tolerate lawlessness. If the Nigerian government had a backbone and followed the laws, those oyibo who break the laws would have been deported. But what else can you expect from a banana Republic ?

Chinom:
Let me help you out here sweetie, the courts ordered that he be deported. But in reality it's not going to happen. Yes, he does not have a Swiss citizenship, but it's practically impossible for him to be deported to Nigeria. Unless of course he wants to go to Nigeria on a free ticket. Even at that, he still has to convince embassy officials to issue him some sort of travel document and must have the means to pay for it.
He was born in Switzerland and has never left Switzerland for 28 years. He doesn't even speak English. That shows you how much of a Swiss he is.

What are you talking about ? I know many people who've been deported from Canada and America. The process is simple. Immigration will detain him, Swiss will see if they have a travel document agreement with Nigeria. That is, if a Nigerian national is being deported the local Nigerian embassy provide his travel documents. And with Nigerians committing crimes across the world, they most likely have such an agreement. And even if they don't, they'll settle the Nigerian embassy or Nigerian government to get his travel documents. The Nigerian government can be bought. And the Swiss government will gladly pay for his flight to Nigeria, it's peanuts for them. Plus like someone said, in order to get legal status in a country, you must declare the country you're a citizen off. Unlike Canada or America he's not guaranteed citizenship by birth. So his parents must have filled out the paperwork and put Nigeria as the citizenship he owns. If not he ever would have got legal status.

I remember their was a group of Somalia in canada who were terrorizing the streets. They had legal status but not citizenship. The judge ordered them to be deported but Somalian wouldn't give them travel documents. Canada simply contracted a plane from a company and pilot, rounded them up and dropped them off in Kenya. Since Somalia wouldn't take them, they paid the Kenyan government to accept them. These are 1st world governments. If they want to deport you they will period.

This man doesn't know he has just given himself a life sentence by being deported to naija. When being a thug goes wrong.

WellEndowed:
Exactly. It's of no use begging them to see the light. Like your cousin, just let them be and make that mistake and hopefully learn from it. The problem though is not everyone will get a second chance like your cousin, so people need to research properly before making this big decision. A caucasian colleague of mine got married to a caucasian American 2 years ago. She was looking forward to moving to the US but her husband talked her out of it. The husband left the states and works in one of the biggest oil and gas companies here as an Engineer and she is still enjoying her 1 year maternity leave. They can afford to have her stay at home for 1 year post birth. Her hubby said staying at home for 1 year in the states would make him work over time to provide for his family and he still wouldn't be able to keep up, so wifey would have to return to work after 3 months). If an "oyibo" can talk people out of migrating to his country, what more can I say?

Yes there are people who have succeeded in the states but not all "size fits all". Research. I have a friend who refused to consider option 1 but c hose 3. Did her Masters in public health and is now looking for a way to settle. This person is a nurse/midwife. I told her to consider option 1 since it's the closest to the US. She refused. See the high demand of nurses in option 1 and some silly woman refused to consider. Less population (35 million people) compared to over 300 million US. Tell me how everyone thinks they will make it there?



I live in option 2 and have lived here for yearssss. I have always said that if for some reason I am fed up of option 2 and need to migrate to another country in the future, IT IS DEFINITELY OPTION 1.

You're right I've seen many who didn't get a 2nd chance and they're in naija suffering. I always saw Australia as a warmer Canada. Didn't know you guys get 1 year mat leave as well. I'm sure you also get baby bonus cheque and subsidized daycare. This is foreign to our neighbours down south. It's also madness your friend who's a RN won't come up north. You're looking at 84k starting. With OT she's taking in over 100k easily. They'd give her pr on the spot. And since we have universal health care here, her job would be secured. She'd rather stress herself out for papers there?

I've met many people in her situation who finally decided to make the move up north due to the fear of being deported back home. After settling and being successful most can't believe how ignorant they were and wouldn't even move back there. Your friend needs help. No offence.

WellEndowed:
I agree with the above except the taxi driver bit. I also believe the US is better than Nigeria no doubt. I was arguing sometime back with another Nairalander about the same thing. The opportunities are there in the US no doubt, but what are your chances of getting close to these opportunities when millions of people are fighting for the same thing?

A friend of mine (Twin A) and her twin sister (twin B) had three options: 1)Canada, 2)Australia , 3)US. Twin A chose the US even when twin B was pushing for them to try the options 1 and 2. Twin B refused option 3 and tried 1 and 2. Option 2 "answered" her first in fact she was in country 2 when country 1 "answered" her. She ended up with the two permanent residence. Fast forward 19 months later. Twin A who chose option 3 was still looking for a way to settle. Twin B was all settled, a good paying job, a car, free health care, got herself a mortgage-her own house, plus had her permanent residence.

To some it's all about living the AMERICAN DREAM. They don't realise what they are getting themselves into until they get in. You cannot discourage these lot. Their mind is made up and that it is...give them time,long enough for the scale to fall off their eyes.

Discover your own destiny. Stop doing follow follow

Well said. America does a good job selling themselves. In reality it's more of a 2 tier system (rich/poor) with the middle class slipping away. I had a cousin who wanted to do a master's abroad. I told him to choose option 1 Canada where I stay. He insisted he'll go and chase the America dream. After his master's he spent years trying to get status and finally came to Canada as a skilled workers. Got his pr before landing and has got a job with a major bank and his own place in a few months. My point is DO YOUR RESEARCH.

Is this a trick thread ? No sane person would remain in Nigeria if they don't have too.

Kexorcist:
You recommend America as a place for Nigerians to go because it is not racist and one can achieve modest wealth there? Don't you know America is a country built by white people for the special purpose of making life hell for black people, where every cop has to kill 5 blacks every day to not lose his job, where you will be grabbed for absolutely no reason and put in prison to do slave labor, where roving gangs of racist white people walk around with machine guns killing every slightly dark or foreign looking person they can find, and guns just walk about everywhere on their own and spontaneously kill people totally at random? Only if you listen to idiots on the internet! There are two big things to beware of in America. #1: Make sure you always have good health insurance -- medical care is super expensive there and they will go after you to make you pay up. #2: Unless you plan on living your whole life there in one place, don't buy a house; it will be a far bigger expense than anything else. And for the love of god, don't try fleeing, fighting, or bribing American cops -- it will not end well. Just one last thing: America has low taxes, but low government services. University education is super expensive in America, so if you cannot get it covered, you may want to move to western Europe for school.

Have you ever been to the states?

bebe2:
Yes , nice to get another perspective on things.

Wen we lived in London, I used to travel 55mins on the bus to get to work and my husband would travel 2hrs on train and bus to get to his job.

Then we moved to Manchester and my journey to work became a 10mins drive and hubby's was about 20mins bus drive.

I don't understand this couple working in different province thing. Won't that take up all the family time? As in by the time u get home it's time for the kids to go to bed.

I do it. I work for 2 weeks straight, then I get 2 weeks off. You get use to it.

bebe2:
My brother

That weather thing is a deal breaker for me ooo.

If I get up and I dont see sun then am unsettled for the rest of the day.

But, 5th biggest city has 15,000 pple?

Tnk u very much


U ve been most helpfull.

princey's experience is based on two provinces. And by the look of it, I think he/she has only been in Canada for a few years. Just to clear some misconceptions. To begin with I can name 6 cities off my head where the metro population is above 1 million. The weather is not that bad. It's usually warm from April to the end of September. In fact in the last 2 months all we've been getting is 25-30 C degree weather. The winters can be brutal depending which province you live in. In Vancouver for example it barley snows and you can have mild 5-8 degree winters. It can go below 0 a few times. Whereas in Sask it's cold as hell. Last Christmas in Ontario it was like 15 degree. Though it was a fluke. It all depends really.

Families or couples don't usually work in different provinces. Such is not abnormal in Alberta or Sask because that's where the oil sector is located. So the husband may fly out to the oil fields for 2 weeks then return. But someone who lives in Toronto for example wouldn't do such. The cost of living in Canada vs US doesn't tell the whole story. While goods may be cheaper in the US, usually the salaries in those states are lower. Plus in the US they don't have Universal healthcare and they usually pay high premiums for healthcare insurance, or pay out of their pockets. They also don't have a lot of the social benefits we get in Canada. From the outside it may look like the cost of living is cheaper there, but once you do the math it really isn't. Hence why house may be a bit cheaper there. That being said, it's really only the south where things are dirt cheap. In NYC for example, houses are twice the cost than in Canada. Lastly while their's now an influx of Nigerians coming, Nigerians have been here for decades. Though the history of Nigerians here is not as rich as in the UK or US.

Hope this helps.