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Oko Afusa !
PELE ooo
But Afusa don waka long time ago na !
Anyway, Orijin may not help your cause with your joystick oo, go find 2 by 3 mop stick join am.

EgunMogaji:
Who me? Am as calm as can be and enjoying the entertainment

Getting ready to start the evening Ibadan style. Catfish pepper soup and Orijin

He does not only need to get laid, have you ever watched BILLIONS. You need to see what Wendy and Chuck get up to. Let me spell it, its called B*D*S*M. Egun needs B*D*S*M badly.
For more info Egun, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B*D*S*M

3strike:
Just when i was about to log out................................Maverick are you saying Egun hasnt been getting any and needs to get laid?
Pls dont quote me o.....I just wanna know

BTW people who get laid regularly don't usually come online to release their frustrations tho... Egun ngbo? you for talk since na instead of fighting everyone..... lets organize one blackberry babes for romance section for you at least something to take you away from property section sometimes..

Oga back2sender

Thanks for the wise words.
You will notice that i am not the type that gets involved in trading insults, but you have to agree with me that whoever the person called EgunMogaji is seriously needs help. I mean, i am not the first person to have said it.

If you have a lot of people who are always trading insults with you, then you definitely have a problem (EgunMogaji) and maybe a woman can help with your problems. Just a piece of advice Egun. I think this forum has a romance section, never been there so cant vouch for how effective it is.

Of course, I respect the dead. "service to the living, honour to the dead" That was the anthem that i was brought up with.
When you have someone who talks all sorts of rubbish on a faceless forum meant to educate, we can only try to put that right, but clearly EgunMogaji needs help. We all want to learn here Egun Mogaji, we are not interested in your efforts to import your silly pillar, glass, padlock, chicken, bricklayers, 9 inch block, locks or find your long lost friend riding a F****** Vespa.

back2sender:
Maverick your words on EG is hitting below the belt to me thats uncalled for. Making reference to corpse and the rest is not decent, one should have respect for the dead.
On brb its unfortunate he has not kept His promises on repayment and there can be no peace for fraudster here on nairaland until they make amends.

I dont know what you are talking about. Which Family ? Is Brabus my family, God forbid... Thief as my family !!

Biko, If you are praying that your boyfriend is my family, then it confirms my suspicion that you clearly have problems ?
Show us 3 pictures from when you started your project till date, and I will do the same and we can see who is brags on empty tanks and who doesnt talk a lot but get on with the task ahead !!

Did you find a new wife now ? Ever wondered why the last one left your sorry ass ??
By the way, I wanted to provide you the number and address of your long lost friend, but i had second thoughts, you fit kidnap the guy and local dogs self have refused your 10k offer.

EgunMogaji:
It's worse than I thought and I wouldn't expect less from a family that steals from each other. Why would you lift a finger to help anyone without a payday

EgunMogajiHolic: hook, line and sinker

PS: Awaiting the supporting cast to arrive so we can have a regular Egun bash fest. It's been a while so I know they're all pent up and raring to have a go at bat

Hello Rushtec,

Are you going to reply my message ?
Are you going to speak to your boss to come pick up his tiles ?

Is that not what you do ?
Dirty job money does not smell.
The hussle is really hard, we know you are in Califonia, but all these your useless boasting like a big man you only managed a village garage in 5 years or so, and nobody has heard word since.
By the way, did you find your friend ? I think i know where he is..
But you have to increase that your 10K offer, because even local dog self will not collect 10k.

https://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww332/platforminc/Egun1.jpg

EgunMogaji:
I think someone has a healthy infatuation for corpse washing

Bothering on necrophilia which goes with family kleptomania

Good for you mate

~At least visiting the quarry is better than washing dead corpses in America, especially that hospital you work at in America.
* So did you use imported granite as well or you went to tell them in the quarry how America granite is better than thiers ?
* How long did it take to build this village garage of yours ? even on top of your America boasting, on top washing dead body oo.
* At least those that use x amount of granite to build a house, they spent their money and unless you want them to help you with your build, nothing concern you.
* How Old are you self, I hear you are almost 60 but as I have told you before you are getting duller by the day, the older you get. And you have not failed to prove me wrong.
* Who is your Engineer now, at least those that hire and fire under performing Engineers (and teenagers that call themselves Engineers, some come from Ibadan) can afford to do so even without importing padlock, you have been on this project for nearly 5 years, you want to buy 10 pieces of 9" block, you open a thread for that. Is this money from washing corpses that hard on you ?


I rest my case, make i find those questions Excuseme ask you self....

At least you have had some manners now before those people blasted you, its your stupidity that we need to brush up on now. Your arrogance and utterance of rubbish has reduce small, and lest i forget your urge to import junk has reduced small as well, so something is working.

EgunMogaji:
Visiting the quarry was an eye opener for me and suprisingnly like you I opted to give to a supplier but still at a significant savings.

Oga

Did you mean the imported from EgunMOGAJI USA Hospital one or locally made ?
Abeg find better person to ask, you dont need a r**ard answering your questions.

nwabuwa:
egunmogaji, pls is 4" strip foundation good for a 5bdrs bungalow
I

At least maybe we will hear word small after german floor or maybe he will import the pillar that was missed out, biko how much be dollar self, I want to import sharp sand and some blocks.

anyone seen brabus ?

gabbytabby:
No be advice matter na 9ja man disease dem they flex muscle to decide who get money pass, who is most knowledgeable and one dey defend the indefensible man on property section such that those that have felt the pinch are going after him. Hopefully both sides go tire soon make we hear better word.

Ok, When I asked last week about the progress of my work, you told me that you were not in Lagos, I guess you are still outside of Nigeria now.

85% of payment made. Whats outstanding.

Glass windows not fitted
Nets not fitted

AdeEkiti, what is the excuse now ? You are in space and not to be disturbed ??

I completely agree, there are some good workers here on NL, but the good ones are only like 10% so anyone can come to thier own conclusions. Most of the remaining 90% are bad apples just looking for easy victims and no better people than those who spend dollars I guess, I remember one particular builder here saying that he was jealous of people in diaspora as DOLLAR HAS GONE UP. Thats the mentality.

If everyone reported or alerted others about rogue artisans or agents etc, it will not eradicate the issue but it will make it a better place for everyone. At the moment, for me "WOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE ENGAGING ANYONE FROM NL"

It appears the MODS are looking the other way, and I guess its until someone looses their life or something else bad happens before they open their eyes and smell the coffee.

bebe2:
Yea, I understand I generalised my comment that was to show the gravity of the issue.

Majority of builders here have had issues with clients they met here . A thread was opened on this issue before.

And this seem to be swept under the carpet because Nigerians like to leave issues for God to settle.

If pple decide to complain here about the negative experience they have had u wud be surprised . It was here only a few weeks ago that an agent tried to sell a govt land to a fellow nairn lander. She did not report it and that agent will eventually get a victim.

How you doing abdulwastecx and all our other engineers in the house.

I have a question for you with regards to the security house, what is the min size where I want to also have a small toilet/wet room with a tap ?
Any concerns with having a generator/power house next door to a security house ?
Do you know much about the construction of a sliding/roller gate ?
Any precautions with the installation and construction of a sliding roller gate, I see them often derail after time and I want to avoid this.
Secondly, within the track I am guessing as long as rubber tyres are being used with enough depth, there is no need for the old style of puting grease there as that would not work with rubber tyres.

Lastly, what happens when the water from the compound is running down the slope/ramp by the gate, will it not carry sand/debris into the roller gate tracks ?

Thanks in advance.

abdulwastecx:
I want to share this small security house with my oga here..
The challenge was to build a small security house that is decked and still have something befitting for entrance of house.
I want something beautiful and affordable at theaame time, so I came up with this.

Oga

Do you know anywhere called Igbogbo lagos state scheme ? Is that the GRA ?

I only know about Terraces, what happens is that the owner/developer needs to have a good title covering the entire plot where the terraces have been built, together with the survey plan covering the whole thing. So lets assume the person has a C of O or a Gov Consent, each individual terrace subscriber/owner will have a deed of sublease (rules & regulations, expectations, services provided, charges, common areas etc) with the owner/developer, and on this basis they can then have thier own individual survey plan done, this carves out thier portion within the plot, lets assume its a 900sqm plot with 3 terraces, so each will have 300sqm, this individual survey plan will have this information.

The owner of the terrace can now take the deed, survey plan and all other documentation to process a Gov Consent on thier portion of the plot which contains thier terrace.

For flats, I dont know how it works in Nigeria, being that there are no solid leasehold laws governing it. So what I believe happens is that there will be a lease for every flat, for say a period of 90 years. This lease in most developed countries, would spell out the obligations of the leasehodler/freeholder etc. It will also state roles and responsibilities, insurance and also service charge. It might also involve a management company etc.

Its a murky world (leasehold) in Nigeria as there should be a common standard, but I doubt this is in place. That of terraces, I know very well.

I am glad that me and BRABUS agree on something for once, its been a long time since that last happened.

This case would have been one where are top law firms (Aluko & Oyebode,Banwo & Ighodalo,Olaniwun Ajayi LP,Udo Udoma & Belo-Osagie), could have taken up a pro-bono case for the plaintiffs, its a guaranteed win win case and LG will be the first ones coming out to settle out of court.

But guess what, unlikely to happen as they patronise same ashawos and drink at the same joints.

brabus:
I think Maverrick is right on this. I spoke with a retired public servant (high profile) this morning and he told me Lekki Gardens can swim the murky water by piping low for now and offering 200k per person ( ) to their embassy here in Naija and that's it. The person in question is an authority in things like this. So, i believe him.
Has anything happened to SCOAN with the number of SA nationals lost in the collapse? No!

So if a kangaroo committee is setup, we know what to expect.




However, if men of integrity. People who can be bold to say it as it is like this man who choose to ignore me, constitute the investigative panel. Then, Lekki Gardens is in for a serious trouble.

Thank you for answering my question.
Let me ask, are you a registered COREN engineer ? Do you do structural design work and produce the drawings such that a builder and I myself can understand, as I had to learn how to read plans when it got to one stage.

Would you also require a site visit before you do your structural design ?
Should Architect also be the one/with his cronies etc to do the mechanical design and also the electrical one ? Reason I ask is coz i remember this causing delays and my architect said that he was waiting on the electrical people to finish the electrical design ? Same with mechanical, but some aspects of it were changed during the course of construction.

abdulwastecx:
That is a very important question sir. Heavy structural work should always a registered structural engineer (civil engineer) coming to site from milestone to milestone to check progress of work and making sure what was designed is followed properly.

Take it easy on Skimanski Sir texazzpete

I think he was just trying to explain his POV, skimanski is one of the positive contributors on the NL property section. I do not know him personally, but I dont see anything he has said that should warrant this kind of tirade.

texazzpete:
I didn't 'insult' you. It was a silly comment you made, and i stated that accordingly.



Nobody is buying a standalone house for N25m. Did the part i mentioned about 'land density' fly out through your ear? The land for these type of estates are acquired as a bulk purchase, and because of the terrace or apartment design, several housing units are fitted on one plot of land, drastically driving down the unit cost of land per house. When the economics are run, there's perfectly enough cash to build a safe, secure house. It all depends on the business model. If the developer's plan is to minimize profit on the house to maximize returns from estate management, service charge fees etc, where's your analysis to say this is not a viable business model?

Your problem is that you speak out of ignorance. There are MANY business areas where these models are used, and they work pretty well. Sony sells the Playstation 4 at cost (or even a small loss) at $299, but they make billions in profit from sales of games, licencing fees and yearly subscription for online play.

Using your 'China' example, take a look at Xiaomi. They sell a phone with pretty much the exact same specs as the $700 Galaxy S7 for $400. While Samsung makes profit from the hardware sales, Xiaomi's business model is to sell their phones at razor thin margins yet make hundreds of millions in profits from sales in the preloaded Xiaomi appstore. This has paid off since they are now one of the top 7 phone manufacturers in the world.

Your darling estate developers that sell houses at a premium are using the 'Samsung' approach. They sell FEWER units with a higher per unit profit. Lekki Gardens should nominally be on the 'Xiaomi' approach. Selling a crazy boatload of houses at small profit margins, but much higher returns from service charges.

Then you - with your limited understanding - pop up to claim that the MAJOR culprits in an apartment block collapse that killed 25 people are the folks who paid money for these flats. And you consider it an insult when you're rightfully challenged over the inanity of this claim.


And to clarify, the N25m for a terrace duplex is only in places like Ajah where land prices are MUCH cheaper than in the area where the building collapsed.

Oga twinskenny

When you say contractor, do you mean LG as a company or the actual subcontractor that put up the building, the one that LG asked to build it ?
Make we bet am, nothing will happen to LG and in a few months time when the dust settles, they will start selling again. This is nija, you will just hear that the foreigners mostly Cotonou and Togo people have been settled.

twinskenny:
they are claiming that the workers suppose not to be sleeping on site... so they want to tell us that they are not aware of that from the beginning>?

it is well... i know the contractor is in deep trouble

Hello skimanski

I went into the sales office at Lekki Gardens a few years ago, and they like to put these nice looking Calabar girls within the sales office, you know what that means right.... lol

Jokes apart, Someone made a comment earlier that its not only from the building cost that LG makes money, I feel its the service charges and the other boltons. I also understand that its actually not LG that builds the houses, they subcontract to Mr A and Mr B, with my little construction knowledge I have come to the conclusion that during construction, you can arrive at your destination using different routes, do it well and dont compromise at all, compromise a little or just do a really bad job. I feel its hard to blame the subscribers, afterall they believed LG can build en-masse and pass on the savings.

skimanski:
Ahhh!!!! comeon you dont insult people nah! is that how you talk? If you like Cheap things, you buy nah. If you disagree with my comments,you just disagree and dont Insult.

China makes Phones that do not last the 5th Charging Circle, or that might burn your other appliances, so are you telling me the biggest problem to that is the Government control or the Subcribers? You buy a house for 25m. Thats not even up to the price of land in that area. but you want to use that money to own a complete house, whose Daft now? You can see the Writing on the wall yet you still push the botton and open the door. So whose Daft?

Please Carefully comment next time and dont insult people. I beg you. Lets be matured.

I always try avoiding replying you Egun, but I think today i have a bit of your time.

I dont know how old you are, but I thought they said as one gets older you get wiser, I think for you that theory doesnt work. "Sbhebi bi OJO ORI Eni nse po si, Oo JE KOMA GBON SI" . As you dey old, you suppose dey wise up na ??

You brag here a lot about working in your hospital, how many corpses have you washed today ? I guess too much, you lack any form of common sense and I think you should just shut your mouth.

You come here Open yansh, foul the place, this whole place begin smell with the kind of rubbish that comes out of your head. Do you not think before you write ? Import padlock, import staircase, import glass, import bricks, import kokoye workers and i ask myself, all to come and work in a garage or a PRAM shed ??

Maybe that your retirement that you are planning at your hilly garage, you might not need it, I know the hussle @ the mortuary is hard, but tell your kids if you have any to put you in a CARE home, you need help.

I will not say any more, but i am expecting your reply and you will also get mine.

EgunMogaji:
Brabus, you can tell me to go pound sand and I'll understand but did you make this promise?

I thought you were suggesting that both you and your client to go and meet the approval guy at his office down the street from h2.

Oga Excuzeme and the rest of the positive contributors in the house, make una no vex. I have explained earlier that i preferred if the case was fully settled before breaking news.

Also Excuzeme, I emailed u several times. Did you get my email ?

Excuzeme:
So afterall, Brabus can behave like a gentleman?

Hmmm... wetin we no go see for this 2016!

So, this man wey dey order Don Moen at will cant phuck-out just 400K in one go!

Anyway, that is by the way.

I like it when people "grow sense", it shows you are not the heady, "try-me-if-you-can" guy that l thought you were.

It is a commendable attitude, that you have negotiated with your creditor without much fuss.

But Maverick, you sef fall hand small sha! No word to the House, once money starts changing hands?
Not even by PM!

Anyway, lesson learned.

Since Brabus has taken steps to do the right thing, l think we should all give him a break.
Our (my own personal interest) is that he does the right thing.... which he has shown good faith to do.

I hereby revert back to "Normal Mode" as far as Brabus is concerned. No hard feelings.

Nor do so again. If you cant "guarantee it", dont be a middle-man of any sort.

abdulwastecx

You always talk a lot of sense as usual.
How about cases whereby structural drawing done, calculations done, everything done but yet the executors on the ground decide to do something different to spite the owner etc.

Speaking from experience, I once had a situation where even with the plans/everything what was requested was not what was done, and in that situation, I invited my architect to site, when builder saw architect he started having cold feet and said that I wanted to shift him out of the project by calling Architect to inspect site.

What do you do in a situation like that ?

abdulwastecx:
The problem is how many of the so called structural engineer understand structural analysis and design?

I am a civil engineering graduate that has been taught by PhD orders and registered engineers, most of which can not do simple manual structural analysis such as continues beams, folded plate, shear failure in slope, etc. Civil engineering/ structure involve lot of mathematics, if you don't understand maths no matter your degree and accreditation you may not understand the basis of design

The problem is most of the consultancy film uses softwares that they don't really know how they work or copy drawings without proper design etc.

Soil is very important, so how many project have a detail soil analysis?.
How competent are these analysis?
Are they carried out with the correct instruments and precautions?
How competent are the people carrying out these investigation etc?

Building construction is a complex trade that you keep learning everyday to be better and you try as much as possible to do something that will not kill you or kill other and may not land you in jail

Let me just clarify

3 weeks ago, me and brabus agreed to speak and this was after he came off his high horse, I agreed a 50% settlement with him, as long as its paid within 1 month.

Few days later he sent me 50k, I didnt feel it was necessary to update the house after every kobo he paid, the plan was to chase up payment within 1 month and report back to the house that the matter was fully closed once I collect the 50% settlement.

Now as agreed with him, if he doesnt pay the remaining balance within 1 month, then thats promise broken and we are back to where we started.

@BRABUS, Now, what is it with making trouble ? Did you think that because you paid some part of my money fraudulently obtained by deception, did you think that would gagg me ? I can make constructive comments anytime anyday I like, taking some of my money back doesnt mean that you have any kind of leverage on me. Abeg, lets get that straight.

Secondly, you have been making a lot of noise about the Lekki Gardens story, and instead of the house learning from it, and calling out quack builders and praying for those who lost thier lives, you have been using it to collect STARS !! Like a kid in a china shop..

I think if you dont have any sensible comments in terms of what can be learnt or carry on to use the story as some form of advertising medium, you should just shut your trap and look for how you will pay my balance.

Excuzeme:
So afterall, Brabus can behave like a gentleman?

Hmmm... wetin we no go see for this 2016!

So, this man wey dey order Don Moen at will cant phuck-out just 400K in one go!

Anyway, that is by the way.

I like it when people "grow sense", it shows you are not the heady, "try-me-if-you-can" guy that l thought you were.

It is a commendable attitude, that you have negotiated with your creditor without much fuss.

But Maverick, you sef fall hand small sha! No word to the House, once money starts changing hands?
Not even by PM!

Anyway, lesson learned.

Since Brabus has taken steps to do the right thing, l think we should all give him a break.
Our (my own personal interest) is that he does the right thing.... which he has shown good faith to do.

I hereby revert back to "Normal Mode" as far as Brabus is concerned. No hard feelings.

Nor do so again. If you cant "guarantee it", dont be a middle-man of any sort.

He could have applied for a job there and they didnt give him, so its payback time....

3strike:
Brabus you've been on this Lekki Garden issue since yesterday.....Everyone will agree its really a sad news but then am just wondering why you keep spreading the news about this developer or is there something you are not telling us?





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Haha

8% of CRAP !!

I was watching a channels Tv documentary, come and see raw sewage behind people kitchens in LG phase 2.
So Brabus, did you learn a thing or two from Lekki Gardens ?

On a more serious note, Its good for developers to be up front with clients, rather than promising low cost builds, and then cutting all sorts of corners. If there was one thing i always told you when my build was under your stewardship, it was never to compromise on build quality, I had rather have cheap finishing and good build rather than the other way around. I remember when I bought hardcore, and how you used to ask me that why am i wasting money when i insisted on having hardcore before my German floor.

It is to prevent issues like Lekki Gardens....

brabus:
Interesting Reads:

Lekki Gardens in ambitious projection, targets 1m housing units by 2023

With what is, arguably, an impressive outing in the last three years during which it excited the Nigerian housing market with about 15,000 housing units in a total of 48 projects, Lekki Gardens is out again with an ambitious projection that targets one million housing units to be delivered by 2023. This target, according to…

http://businessdayonline.com/2015/07/lekki-gardens-in-ambitious-projection-targets-1m-housing-units-by-2023/


Average of 150,000 units yearly. If the whole threads and topics on Nairaland properties were to be a building project, it wouldn't have reached 100,000 units. Interestingly, a company which launched her flagship project about 4 years ago is promising to meet 8% of Nigeria housing challenge within 10 years. That's not ambitious, it's overzealous ambition.

BRABUS...

So you can come here to say this, for starters I never once ate with you, because if I went to get water, I do not know what you will put inside my food. That is how highly I place you.

Our friendship has been forever damaged, you know why and I do not need to go into much details, but I still have not received alert as you promised and i am still waiting for my money..

I used my own common sense, I regret using your services BIG time. Read the comments below about workers being owed, do you know how many times that happened when you were working for me ? , what annoys me is that these people working are being paid small amounts of money, and yet you choose to owe them, you can buy big jeeps and cars, prayer stones and sculptures of animals etc and common 3k a day for workers, you were owing them and they came crying to me. It is really SAD and very WICKED of you.

I think everyday you wake up, you should be seeking forgiveness.


see below.

brabus:
Thank God you heed to my advice. Even though you choose not to give credit to God for using me.
That time we used to chop Amala together.

I remember how we choose to face Lekki II project instead of Lekki Garden then. Thanking God for you.

_______
That's the reason why experience counts. I knew how disappointed you were then but I'm happy 4 years after you were able to see what I saw back then.

Must be squatters, one of my workers rang me on the day of the incidence to say that some of his boys will not be coming to site due to this sad tale.

Few years ago, I considered Lekki Gardens, even spoke to Richard Nyong self, I got that far. I thank Almighty God that I didint take the plunge.

NL1960:
Can this really be true?. If the statement says this, how come a woman and her baby died in the collapsed building?.

AND ALSO BABALOSE !!

Thats the other Moniker in case you didnt know ....

crisisng:
Oga 3Strike. Movie don finish oo.
Brabus has ended our date and dumped me as usual (same way he dumps his clients in the middle of the ocean)
Maybe I was too cheap for him or maybe he found a finer babe. I go soon do implants like Pami ooo
Brabus is my homey sha. I love him.

Lets see what BrabusNG has to offer now.

Fake building plan approval still not fully resolved, its one excuse after the other every 2 days.
If BRABUS thinks it will die a slow death, he has met wrong person oo. I am not letting it GO, if i wanted to do so, i would not be chasing even after all this while.

Na to strategise now and take another course of action. Stay tuned everyone.

crisisng:
Good question. I will get back to you on that.
Maybe you bring the worst out of me or maybe I just cant stand quacks. Who knows.
I guess we may find out one dey but please no vex oo. I know I touched a nerve but if it makes you a better person then feel free to call me any names you like. I will have done my Job.

So please enjoy reading my profile and hope you learn from it.

In the meantime have some Suya on me too or let me treat you to lunch. I promise I will pay if you build good stuff

BTW have you settled the Fake approval issue or are you waiting it for it die a slow death?

I heard you are also owing suppliers for materials supplied. Hope this one na just rumour sha..

I read the BRABUS comments and i just shook my head, what a coincidence.

The same BRABUS that

* Steals my cement so that he can tell me that cement finished hence why the mix wasnt correct.
* Steals my iron rods so as to give me the excuse that, its the reason why the structure didnt hold well.
* Puts cement bags inside concrete mix to make it stronger.


I mean, if anyone wants to take lessons from a builder, the last person speaking should be brabus. His ideas when it comes to this subject, is best left to the bins.

Excuzeme:
It sure can happen... with people like @Brabus offering "Fake Building Approval' all over the place, what do you expect?


I am just wondering if this is not one of Brabus/BrabusNG/ Bosun Davies contraptions?

Any "confirmed news" on the builder yet?

I think what will be helpful for people who are considering using your product will be for you to state the prices of the paint, the various containers and the prices as well.

Thanks in advance.

What potential clients might want to see is proof of the title, you can put it up and erase out confidential information on the document etc.