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Oga

I very much salute your courage, I was in your shoes a few months ago and whilst the thought could be daunting at first, its the best thing to have ever happened I can tell you that. As previously pointed out, get a smart phone and use whatapp a lot, from here you can even use whatapp web. Allows you to type faster and easier, you also get free calls.

*Very key - you need someone that you can trust on site, to count deliveries (materials, sand anything), ensure your workers are not stealing your materials, get you first hand info on what is happening on site, get you workers/suppliers if necessary. If you can get someone who lives on site or closeby, that would even be better.

* Encourage your workers to have a smartphone etc whith whatapp. You can be keeping tabs on this and track whats happening on site, if its not the way you want it, you can highlight it ASAP. Not so important, if you have a site engineer with whatsapp etc.


Try to go on ground if possible to see yourself, a deadly mistake was averted on my foundation because I was there. No matter how much money you send, some people will always be greedy.

When shopping around for prices, get people to get you the number of like 3 suppliers and then you can compare your own prices.
Try to keep family away from your house builds, limit their involvement.

I dont know how close you are to your family etc, but my own preference is to limit involvement and deal with people only on a professional basis, you cant pick and choose family, but if the relationship is professional you can hire and fire anytime for people who are not performing up to expectation.

Wish you all the best, and remember dont let it stress you too much. Good health is better than riches.

Lastly, watch out for my blog called " BUILDING FROM THE DIASPORA"

Thanks for answering.
Is CPT good enough though or is it safer to go further, and are the results of a soil test easy to digest for a non builder.

Is the practice of assuming, if 90% of people on my street are doing raft, then raft should be good for me as well a safe one ?

brabus:
Soil test/investigation also called Geotechnical Survey is carried out by Soil Scientist. Interestingly, it is not enough to have anyone carry out soil investigation, the most important thing is to have the result confirmed in the Labs.

And they carry out so many types of tests ranging from CPT (Cone penetration Test) to SPT (Standard penetration test). Triaxial testing, Bearing Capacity Test, Borehole drilling and Geophysical survey, Pile integrity test and Pile construction, Pile load test and more.

The most common type of test carried out in Ajah area is CPT. Most building engineers rely on given datas for areas they're working on than carrying out the test.

Thanks for answering my questions.

Is it such that in the Lekki terrain, its just better to see a land during the raining season so that one can see the natural state of the land as the dry season can give a wrong illusion.

For a layman, apart from when there is an existing drainage to guage whether you are stepping down into a plot or stepping up into a plot, how can you tell instantly if a plot is on a highland etc or tell if its going to take a lot of filling etc.

olumide4christ:
[b]Answer to Q1 - In Nigeria, soil test can be carried out by both civil (structural) engineers & geologists. Note that not all civil engineers are structural engineers, its an area of specialization. However, in projects I have worked on, structural engineers have carried out the soil tests and gotten the actual results. In some projects, some prime consultants (architects) on a project mandate that the structural engineer who would prepare the structural drawings for the project should not be the same person who should carry out the soil test i.e. they advise the client on the need to invite another engineer or geologist, aside the structural engineer on the project to carry out the soil test. It has to do with some form of professional ethics, won't indulge into that here.
If you need someone to carry out a soil test, I have a trusted structural engineer who I can refer to you.

Answer to Q2 - I'm afraid that such is the case...Lekki is majorly sand-filled (reclaimed) ground and as such cheaper foundations like strip or strip-and-pad foundations can't be structurally stable on such ground. If I can remember, there was a thread in this section where a bungalow was to be built on raft foundation because of the soil conditions...imagine that!!

Answer to Q3 - Building with raft and blocks in foundation SHOULD AND ONLY SHOULD be done based on the instruction of the engineer who designed the foundation. Raft is supposed to be a monolithic foundation but if the engineer based on his calculations ascertains that blocks can be used to make up the top of the raft foundation, then its his call and if any issues come up in future, he would be held liable for that decision. So therefore, let the structural engineer consent to that before you mix raft foundation with blocks. [/b]

I have some questions.

Who carries out a soil test ? Civil engineer or a geologist ? In Nigeria, most people claim to be everything. Do you have a trusted soil engineer or geologist that you can recommend ?

From your write-up, does this mean that virtually almost everywhere in Lekki there is no running away from either raft/pile ?

In which cases can you have a mixture of raft + blocks to reduce cost without compromising on structural integrity ?

OnetimeOnly:
The price difference that builders and artisans put up in Nigeria is too much!!! They basically charge you based on how they ' size you up'

People who are building should also make subcontractors bid for the jobs....let the carpenter or electrician know that he is competing with others for the job ....that will bring competitive prices to the table

I think its good to get an idea from others how much a typical piece of work should cost, if one has been doing it for sometime and have worked with the tradesman then you can size it up.

One other issue i find with letting artisans bid for work is that someone might bid lower to get the job, but the quality might be lacking, or at a later stage in the process they run out of cash and are unable to complete the job, then the story starts !

You then start to think that, "Had I known I could have given it to Lamidi or John"

If you ask around, then you have a benchmark to work with, so you know who is too high, normal or too low. My 2 cents....

Happykay:
@ excuseme
Thanks a lot
Can't be better analyzed
It's a pity this whole shyt got to this
We should make sure brabus goes elsewhere to get his client and not here again
This issue shouldn't have gotten to this if not for his arrogance.

Its important that NL doesn't become an accessory for fraud, on this forum I have dealt with some very good individuals and not so very good ones. There are some people that I have personally met via this forum and there are others that its just a phone thing.

NL is not my property, but at least we should ensure that people like Brabus Bosun Shoyoye doesnt continue to thrive on here.

Excuzeme:
I greet the whole house!

I just "resumed" from a long ban, from that Moderator!

I am one of those 'guests'y ou see reading the post!

Once again, l greet the whole house.

Welcome back Baba !

crisisng:
Chai.
Oga maverick you never get your money back?
Na lie. Me think say money don enter account.
Na wah o. So afterall the elders said, this matter no resolve.
Me talk am before say NL dey full of so many hypocrites.
Chai. Over 400k na him people dey do cat and mouse.
Our Oga Haji please let us know what is going on as your told the house that progress was being made 2 weeks ago.
Valentine day don pass and una no allow Maverick buy gift for that him young Sisi.
Abeg please let us resolve this matter this week and not let it drag on another 2 weeks.
At this rate we go still dey on this matter for christmas 2018

Oga crisisng

I trust you had a good valentines day, I trust u sha...

Me I am in it for the long haul, and will do whatever it takes and do not care much about what happens. I am glad you heard what Ogga Haji also wrote about progress being made, me never see any progress but I am on top of the situation sha.

I had a good valentines day Bros, the best ever and this is without the 400k brabus is yet to pay lol !

the ball isnt in my court to get the matter resolved, me said I will do whatever it takes and i stand by that.

euromilion:
Bros Brabus good to see that you are ok,we were all worried for not have seen nor heard from you in a while,we miss u man,pls sort things out with Maverick so that we can all go back to normal.

One love.

Oga euromilion

Thanks for the constructive feedback, at least i am giving peace a chance first before taking other actions... So people like Mumu@60 will not start talking the kind of rubbish he says, maybe he should concentrate on importing his USA locks.

3strike:
Obviously this bros is on his Period again.......Baba no get shame at all.

Chai !
So even @ 60 period still dey come ? Maybe its that time of the month sha. Abeg take am easy with the baba @ 60 oo !!

Hello Madam.

Is this for first rental payment or subsequent ones ? I would like to know how you deal with the very first one. The subsequent one should be a little easy, by that time one would have built up some kind of rapport unless the T decides they do not want to pay.

Where do you involve lawyers in the whole process ?
How to you manage your managing agent ? Everybody need to be managed, even agent self.

gabbytabby:
@mavverick

I insist on direct payment to my account as it allows an opportunity to monitor stuff like rent charged and increment. It also allows for payments to agents to be on completion of some milestone. Tecnicall photo of tenants, application received, agreement signed, and due diligence

I do get involved at a level and have gone as far as visit to former/current landlord and place of work.

Most agents don't like direct to landlord payments they would like to keep you in the dark for as long as possible. When I am in 9ja tenant and I meet or speak and I insist direct payment to my account. I do discover that where the agent charged more agency snd agreement than what I stipulated they collect money from tenant and deposit my rent.

If I was based in 9ja I will manage myself. I do a better job with due diligence and rent default. I have not suggested monthly as its better for me that they get paid when I do.

@3strike you no go get tenants if you operate your system. It still does not guarantee continuity.

Oga Ade.
How far..

So getting lawyer involved, is that what legal fee is all about ? and who pays for lawyer ?
Also, I know that most agent like to say that dont worry we have our own lawyer bla bla bla.

I thought commercial is a bit tougher than residential, if you dont pay for your shop, landlord after going through some legal process can just take over the shop and auction the contents to cover rent. Correct me if i am wrong here o.

adeekiti:
From my own experience, I advice every landlord to engage a lawyer in any of their deal with a tenant especially when the landlord is not living in same building rented out. And a regular visitation/meeting on that property is advised. I've seen a tenant who will not pay his rent after using 7months without payment of his shop rent and when he knows the owner is around, he will be hiding from the owner..the lawyer knows how to handle the strongheaded tenants

Madam Gabby

I would love to read your book/email titled "Managing tenants manual 101".
You seem to have a lot of experience, and a lot of people are willing to learn from you.

My thinking was that rent should be paid direct into landlord account, am i correct in saying that the first rent this might be tricky to do because at that point the LL doesnt have a relationship with the T yet, and everything is still going through the agent, and hence the reason why direct payment to LL at this stage may be hard ?

Whats the best way to manage T, LL direct or via an agent. Most LL seem to complain that agents just want to take a slice for doing nothing.

Is it possible to pay MA (Managing Agent) monthly after they have visited the property at least once a month/quarter etc, I understand they prefer to take a yearly slice in the form of a percentage.

Is there any merit using someone with strong eye (you know what i mean, someone who looks like he has just smoke Indian Hemp) as a MA ?


Thanks in advance.

gabbytabby:
@lastpage it is a funny world in the letting world. Of recent a shop let came with an agency of 10k from me and the agent tried to collect 45k. At the point I got to know about the discrepancy tenant had already paid 30k and they were trying to get my agent to withold key until balance of 15k was paid.

I just called the tenant and gave vacant possession..

There was the managing agent that was collecting 5k application before showing flat such that void period was over extended..

I do try to get tenant to pay directly into my account but they collect from tenant and pay what they want to pay

They will even tell the tenant what lie to tell you about their livelihood and you are then stuck with rent continuity issues.

I do agree with lastpage that most are bad payers some even when they obviously have it.

if I am on ground I start with a rent and/or service charge default list which I paste in a conspicuous part of the premises. Failing that it's eviction notices after which its either mediation or the court. There is also the police route so far that was initiated by the tenant but it still got the desired effect of eviction.

I might personally get to test out both mediation and courts by self representation. It would be interesting to find out how the system works.

I am told that tenants do get involved in voodoo and black magic it's not my thing but if I get a sense that it might be at play all bets are off.

Tenant tell lies so as much as possible get evidence.

Keep a professional distance from tenants familiarity does breed contempt. Associate with other landlords in the area. There is a them and us mentality.

3strike:
So whats the latest on Maverick vs Bosun brabus(Nexthome)? Have they settled the issue of FAKE building approval?

Maverick I will like to hear from you sir. Any compensation yet from Bosun?

Cc Maverick, Excuzeme, Hajji, egunmogaji oko afusa, gabbytabby and good Nigerians.

Still nothing from Brabus, he has not reached out to me in any capacity.
Like I said, I have always questioned his intentions.
Has anyone heard from Brabus ?

Oga Excuzeme

The email as requested is mavandco@gmail.com
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Excuzeme:
I like to give everyone, the benefit of doubt.

I understand where you are coming from but you have been patient for over three months, according to your statement...... a few days will not "kill" you. Exercise more Patience please.

I am hoping we can do this in a way that "everyone" feels they have won. No Losers.
I understand the "philosophy of Ego" as it applies to the later generation, especially we Africans.

The "Elders" have waded-in, Brabus has promised to surprise all of us.... we can only not try to second-guess him.
In everyman, there is a very "good part", .... no matter how bad some think the person is.

Fingers crossed, again! Please be Patient.

Where is that Email, l mentioned Please? We Hope for the Best, but Prepare for the Worst.

Once again, a big thank you to all that have waded in with constructive feedback, to all the elders and the new elderstatesman/woman. I am in for peace, however I do not know if Brabus has good intentions on this matter, I am yet to hear from Brabus nor have seen any alert, at least before I can get an alert he ought to have my account number first. As we can all see, I have offered him an olive branch and have been left hanging in the past.

This matter was brought to him over 3 months ago, I think everyone would agree with me that I have been patient enough.

Excuzeme:
@Brabus:

I am with you on anything that brings Peace, Justice and Fair-play to ALL.

Like it is said, you win some, you lose some but the most important thing is to "Learn the Lesson".

We are all "Learners" and we all learn from our mistakes .... but we must man-up and rise above them so that they dont distract us as we move onwards in the journey of life.

Lets put this matter to bed, once and for all ....... NOW.


@Elders in the house, thanks for wading-in. Elders cannot be in a city ....while the new-born suffers malformation of head.

Fingers crossed...

Hi Excuzeme

Thanks for your time going through the details, I am just surprised what the Mods or some so called Elders have been doing all this time, well anyway we dont know who is who boyfriend wise ! Big thumbs up to those who have made constructive and sensible feedback.

Back to the details, the name of the Guy who said he did the approval was Opeyemi, 08063911781. I have never met him before it was when things started to get funny that I had to collect his number. I have also sent you a message via NL, I can provide all the particulars that I have with me, even more incriminating than what I have posted up here.

Also, at the time of the approval thing, I didnt know that the area doesn't have a layout yet (why would I proceed if i knew, doesn't make sense), it was when it was taken to Alausa for verification late last year that they made it clear to me that how could you have got approval when the area doesnt have a layout yet, they also confirmed it as fake. If there is any evidence to show that I approved the processing of a fake building plan despite knowing that consent is still in processing at the time, the area has no layout or any other condition, I will ask Bosun to provide this, its not a word vs word, I operate based on facts which is what i have provided for all to see.

I guess I dont need to say more.

Excuzeme:
Brabus, what other thing are you referring to, that is needs to "be in place", to "start the processing" of a building Approval which has already being purportedly issued? Are you saying the "approval processing" has not even started?

or did you not see the "Approval stamp" on the drawing already? I can see the STAMP of APPROVAL on it!

Brabus, please, you need to "show maturity" here!
Let not filly-blustering take over.
I hope you know that an "accessory to the crime" of Fraud, Impersonation, and Forgery of this Building Approval is someone who "helps to collect the money".......just from the statement above and the fact that you are the one who collected the money and paid the guy? I dont know how "very involved" you are in this scam, (intentionally or otherwise) but its time you cut the guy lose, if l were you.

Maverick should NOT Meet anybody at that office.
He already has what you and the guy gave him as an "APPROVED" BUILDING PLAN, signed and sealed! But it is a forgery!

Infact, l am asking @Maverick to keep this "approval" very well and not release it to anyone in that office until Alausa calls him to "testify" in this case. Are you in Lagos at this very moment? Leave me a (your) contact number here so someone (not me) can contact you

Honestly, as "brothers" on this forum, l will advise that Brabus refund Maverick and let this matter die naturally.
You guys can still be friends and do business together, once you are clear about the "do's and dont's". How much is 400K that we allow it to give us headache?

You may have made a "honest" mistake by trusting that approval guy........ but it is still a mistake
Think about the alternative, discuss this with your wife, show her that "Stamped Approval" (l believe one's wife will not mislead them) and take her advice.
You win some, You lose some.

I am a friend.

I really don’t want to be trading words with Bosun, but it will be rude if I do not reply to all the good peace seekers comments and totally ignore them.

What did I Pay for/made to believe i would get ? Full building approval as Bosun confirmed below, no facilitation payment/bribe.
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/Approval1.jpg
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/Approval2.jpg

Assessment without any official document, does a bribe come up with calculations like this ?
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/approval1.png
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/approval2.png


Was I told about any conditions, absolutely not. I was told full approval will come back in a week and I made it clear I dont have a consent yet.
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/Approval3.jpg


What did I get ? A fake approval. So why the lies that an approval was never done. It was only fake, see some of the pages below. The figures on the pages, where are the receipts ??
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/Approval_Page1.jpg
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/Approval_Page2.jpg



Did I make other payments to others that came, yes on several occasions, environmental, council, some other group who Opeyemi said if we didn’t pay, they would cause us problems at Alausa.

Why all the irrelevant talk ? From Bosun to digress from the matter at hand.

As said, will do whatever it takes and I will ensure that Bosun and family are taught a lesson that he will NEVER forget.

Excuzeme:
Brabus, allow me to tackle you on the above:

I am aware that "IF", you are processing your "proof of ownership" (C-of-O/Gov's Consent) ..and because you need it to EVEN BEGIN the processing of your Building Approval (Approval wont even start without proof of ownership since no authority wants to give someone a building approval for a land that may belong to someone else ) ... once the Proof of ownership application is in order and has been submitted, the Authority will ISSUE YOU A LETTER stating so, which is used to seek the Building approval.
That letter says that your ownership of the said Land is verified and the proof of ownership is under processing (it takes some time to be signed by the Governor) but that letter acts as a substitute and it is ACCEPTABLE for a Building approval.

- I have not read where it is written that Maverick brought such a letter (correct me if l am wrong).
- You said he sent you "status of the Consent processing? What exactly do you mean by "status", if not the LETTER that they issue, pending completion of processing of the C-of-O
- If he had that letter, which should have been attached to his Building approval application, then the application should have been successful.
- why did you or the "Approval guy" not demand for the letter? Instead, we hear that the Approval failed due to no 'proof of ownership' .... which you said was 'under processing'?

My deduction are that:
*Maverick may not be able to even get a C-of-O/Consent on that Land because HE CANT. (i read somewhere in your post where you said the land is on "Govt Acquisition"! Could that be the reason he could not get the LETTER stating that his C-of-O is under processing?

* All of you involved, know this ........ or Maverick knew this (and concealed the info from you, while telling you his "proof of ownership" is UNDER PROCESSING..... without bringing forward a letter to show such.


As to your first paragraph: Maverick and indeed almost everyone in Lagos, does those things! (Scaling down to meet statutory requirements).
Enforcement people will come and mark that "X", once you start development and they cant see a valid building approval. They then give you some days to come to their office and present it, if you have it.
If you dont, they seal the place up.... and in very extreme case, they may demolish, after getting a court order!.

I never said you are "setting a trap" for him. No! I said you are (maybe) protecting your own contract (since if the place is sealed, your own work also STOPS!) but what you did is also beneficial to the Client, that much we must agree on.
It helped the Client to continue building (and you too, to continue your contract), protecting against sealing-up, while the Consent is being processed.
But l think the Consent was/is grounded/stuck, ......once the land is on Govt acquisition. The Governor wont sign it.
Except you can show me the "status of the Consent" you referred to, which gives you the confidence that the C-of-O is actually being processed in a way that it would be successful.

I am saying you knew (correct me with 'proof', if l am wrong) .....you knew or you have an idea that he would never get a "GENUINE building Approval", ....... yet linked him with a fraudulent Agent who was not honest enough to say look, "What you are getting is just a PROTECTION to PREVENT DISTURBANCE, when you are building your house, but except you bring a "proof of ownership", you cant get a GENUINE BUILDING APPROVAL.
*That Agent swindled Maverick
*You introduced the Agent
*Maverick could not produce a Letter of Ownership nor a C-of-O, needed for the Approval

Most of the "good things" we are discussing here, were picked from your post so, a lot of good things came out of your post.
Maverick is yet to respond.
We are all waiting for his response.

spyder880:
Perhaps it was my age, my first 6 flats was started when I was 24, seems like yesterday

Oga Spyder

More grease to your elbow...

Oga Skimanski,

Like i have said to BOSUN SHOYOYE over a thousand times, all the building mistakes he made i am not worried about it nor am I vexed about it (You need to see the building now, its had a major makeover, its just that i am not the type that likes to brag and i keep my private matters private), it will cost time and money which God has provided patience and the means to continue in abundance. I also think its a good idea to expose BAD building practices here when our so called Engineers are the culprits, you must agree with me that there is nothing wrong with that, I trust that you belong to the league of the good builders.

But the issue of the fake building plan approval, i am not letting that GO.

No Way

I have offered an olive branch towards a settlement and he has refused, and i will do whatever it takes to get it back, literally whatever it takes, and some will be surprised by the steps that i will take. This is no longer a case of contractor bad job etc, this is a pure case of FRAUD and i will not take it.

skimanski:
Oga mavverick I know the issue between you and Brabus must have really pained you. But please whatever the thing is, let's just let it go. No builder here in nairaland and outside that haven't made mistakes with clients or haven't fallen out with a client in his/her career. When it happens its a way for both client and contractor to learn. Let's just bury the sword and guns and knifes, and move forward. Time is precious. Teach others from your experience and let Brabus teach others from his too.


All them my ogas I greet una. May all the people forming enemy and fighting here be friends before the end of this year. Amen!!!!! May all our experience with each other teach us the way forward in our future endeavors with each other and also with other strangers we might come across. Amen!!!!


Class don close for today. Every body to sch canteen for alomo and groundnut. After that combination Na una come know Wetin una wan use am do when una reach house.

Oga Skimanski,

Make u no vex oo
If you vex, who will continue to share those beautiful pictures of those houses you are finishing. I like the look of it, and it certainly has the eye of an architect.
I hope one day we can work together, cast your magic spell on my flats and just give it a makeover/give it the WOW factor without breaking the bank.

I'm a fan of yours oo.

skimanski:
Infanct I don vex. Na to start to write names of noise maker for this class now. Since we no wan learn about building again, instead,we wan dey fight our selves. Every body go back to ur seat, Hold your book and pen and pay attention. Class is about to start!!!!

Uncle start teaching!!!

I need an any idea of window shutters fabricators . Teachers in the house. !!!

When anyone ask questions to pros in the house or learn from each other, unless the person has some kind of quanta or existing unresolved case with the person, lets try not to be rude. I think what started the whole thing in my opinion was when Egun started getting rude to some other guy simply for answering his question. The guy doesn't owe Egun anything and didn't have to answer his question, so no need to be rude.

Thats my humble opinion.

Dieumerci:
This thread has become messy.

Way forward, please.

cc: mufutau55 (Hajji)

Obviously Bosun Shoyoye has failed to reach a settlement on the issue of the fake building plan approval.

twinskenny:
i thought the whole thing has been resolved.. i wish there is a way both contractor and the client can come together and resolve this... not good watching our dirty linen outside. this is a new year we should all move on and concentrate on better things ahead.

HAHA

So you can brag about a generator that we nearly threw away, was it working when you came to pick it up ?? Tell us, was it not me who used my own money to try to repair it !! How can you talk about a dead thing here ?
OGA SHOYOYE, IF YOU WANT YOUR LEAKING HOSE COME AND COLLECT IT ! Its leaking everywhere anyway, making my site messy.
You still dont get it, i had to buy the nails myself and then deduct the 25k from monies due you at the time. WHY WHY WHY !
Why that low, were your prayers not being answered by your prayer stones ??
Of course, one minute you were ready for me today, next minute you ran away !
SO FULL OF CRAP, YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE AND WILL CONTINUE TO GET WORSE !

brabus:
Mavverick rants


So the blocks that i brought to site were brought for you top be broken on decking formwork, now thats wickedness !!You were paid for the works, and under your watch all these crap happened, listen to yourself again, does what you are saying make sense ?? Stop forming jor! Post the screenshot of that part like you always do.


Why the silence on the fake building approval ? You cant pick and choose what you decide to defend yourself against. Because silence is the best answer...

Marine agreement was for the entire decking, you barely did 10%. Money was paid for mobilisation of the marine board, yet you told me to order over 100 pieces of 1 by 12, why was that done when marine was supposed to be used for the entire decking. How much was paid for the 100% of the decking bro? State figures here. I'll soon help you with a detailed spreadsheet of kobo by kobo payments made by you to Brabus so as reveal whats unknown.

You agreed payment with the bricklayers, all payment made to you. What is funny is that during the time the bricklayer compained of not beign paid by you, when I got fedup I had to sack the both of you. Whether its N50 per blockfor downstairs, N55 for upstairs, its irrelevant. You were the one in charge, the one who was being paid for building services etc, so you cant choose to dodge the bad bits you did that you do not like to be reminded of it. Interesting! You sacked me or I walked away from the troubles.

Nails, one time 4th of July 2015 to be precise, paid 25K for 5 bags of nail . When I kept asking if hte nails have been delivered to site, you told security to tell me that it has when in reality it wasnt. It was when I kept insisting. Can you imagine common 5 bags of nails, how can you be that LOW ! Anyway, once a thief always a thief, even if its to steal $100m dollars or common 5K nails, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A THIEF !! So tell me what was the carpenters using to do the slab work. Binding wires? 5 bags of nail. I gave you generator and hose (fueled and maintained by me) throughout the period of the build at no cost to you except you can proof otherwise. You are here talking about 5k nails. God help your insanity!

Time up. I've got better things to do again. Stay glued here and keep doing what you're good at. I cannot help you!

Contracts will not save you here, what happened to the fake buiolding plan approval, I do not see it written in the contract that I will get a fake one ?

When you revised contract, was it your wife you reviewed it ?? Was it not you that sent it.
When I made changes, whose writing are on teh notes below and were you not fully paid the figure at the bottom which is what I offered you ?

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/foundation_charges.jpg
Abi na ghost write am ?
Were you not fully paid ? I am sure if you were not pad, would the extra 2 coaches be added, iron bended and casted ?
When you started to lie about sand dropped for filling and telling me you are not BABA Lati as if your father was a bricklayer with a PHD and Masters !
when you were arrested and placed in police cell, you expect me to continue using your services ?

Like i said, I have progressed with the project very far from where you left it, they are still working till today, cost overrun or not, the light is still on and God is still giving me the means to continue and will continue to do so, people like you who steal and defraud others, May ALMIGHTY GOD CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT YOU LACK AND NOT PROGRESS IN LIFE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO STEAL FROM THE SWEAT OF OTHERS, GOD HAS A WAY OF PUNISHING THEM. EVER WONDERED WHY YOU ARE IN SO MUCH DEBT !! THIS IS WHY, SO TELL US, HAVE YOU KNELLED IN FRONT OF YOUR PRAYER STONES TODAY ??

OR WAS IS NOT YOU THAT BURIED PRAYER STONE ON 3STRIKES'S SITE !! YET YOU TELL ME YOU ARE BUSY IN CHURCH !! NOT A SLUR ON WELL MEANING CHRISTIANS, JUST EXPOSING WHAT A C*NT BRABUS BOSUN SHOYOYE REALLY IS.

brabus:
@maverrick,

Pls share with the forum the following:

1. Brabus' Quote for your building project.
2. The contract agreement as drafted by you 23/6/15
3. The contract agreement as reviewed by NextHome 24/6/15
4. The changes and modifications requested by you and the additional estimates by Brabus.
5. The numbers and details of the workers, suppliers and other people Brabus is owing on your site.
6. Agreed sum in the contract for the foundation work. The sum paid to Brabus eventually.

Lets stop dancing round the circles. You have nothing tangible to say or proof to anyone in his right frame of mind. I know how painful it is when there's cost overrun in a project but that can only happen to those who didn't plan or those who wanna show off.

The Constants (K)
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Till date, I've never seen a place where they catch late comers for home owners. It is better to take many steps in the right direction than to make a great leap forward only to stumble backward. - Chinese proverbs

If you like finish your build with 500m and it can't contain my dog or give ample space for kids to play, let alone park my monster trucks, its just another money poured down the drain. No amount of unfounded accusations will change that!

If you build a land which is not only falling on government acquisition but also block a major drainage and you come here to blame me for your foes, then I can only wish you "May God gives you the fortitude to bear the irreparable..."

If you build on a land that is 1.2m lower than the road level and you come here to form BIG boy, calling everybody names. I can only say "Sorry is your name."

So you are justifying the stealing of my cement, the left over cement was during my foundation, so how could you have counted that as part of your property, something you didn't buy ??

Good to know that you accepted that you tried to collude with my security over a number of occasions to defraud me.

Shoddy jobs, I cant count them. You know it.. Was it me who put cement bags inside foundation ??

So the blocks that i brought to site were brought for you top be broken on decking formwork, now thats wickedness !!You were paid for the works, and under your watch all these crap happened, listen to yourself again, does what you are saying make sense ??

Formwork

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/decking.jpg

After the casting, bricklayer had to hack it out and fill it with solid cement or something

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/decking_finish.jpg

Why the silence on the fake building approval ? You cant pick and choose what you decide to defend yourself against.

Marine agreement was for the entire decking, you barely did 10%. Money was paid for mobilisation of the marine board, yet you told me to order over 100 pieces of 1 by 12, why was that done when marine was supposed to be used for the entire decking.

You agreed payment with the bricklayers, all payment made to you. What is funny is that during the time the bricklayer compained of not beign paid by you, when I got fedup I had to sack the both of you. Whether its N50 per blockfor downstairs, N55 for upstairs, its irrelevant. You were the one in charge, the one who was being paid for building services etc, so you cant choose to dodge the bad bits you did that you do not like to be reminded of it.

Nails, one time 4th of July 2015 to be precise, paid 25K for 5 bags of nail . When I kept asking if hte nails have been delivered to site, you told security to tell me that it has when in reality it wasnt. It was when I kept insisting. Can you imagine common 5 bags of nails, how can you be that LOW ! Anyway, once a thief always a thief, even if its to steal $100m dollars or common 5K nails, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A THIEF !!

Iron rods, why did you take away iron rods that i bought away from my site, those rings and other rods

Cement, why did you take away cement that i bought and delivered to site, it wasnt yours. thats called stealing. No wonder why that white van was parked next to my site, it was parked there to steal materials.

brabus:
My response in bolded part:

Stealing Cement and asking me to get scientific proof that you did. I owe you no apology over that because I was not engaged as a security. When I bought my materials, things were not stolen. We even have leftovers on site except you want to deny that. You have the pictures and records which you won't share here.

Colluding with my security to defraud me What am I suppose to say? Truth needs no defense.

Countless list of shoddy jobs Sorry! Can you tell me the remedial works you did on the foundation? How many supplemental columns were added?

Decking slab mixed with block, and done deliberately. Isnt a decking/slab supposed to be concrete, and then you give me some crap excuse. Explain the excuse bro. I'm sure if you fulfil your part as the main contractor at that stage, there won't be any broken bricks on the slab on the day of casting. You'll remember you bought the block on the same day of casting. As you lay your bed...

Foundation that is not straight I've seen the pictures. Sorry about that also!

Collecting money for Marine board and then getting me to buy wood again Share with us how much was collected from you at each stage of work and how much woods you bought. I know you don't lie but lets hear figures and clear up the ambiguity. It'll be interesting to see what brabus quoted and what he was paid. If you bought N10m wood outside budget, how is that my business? Am I the supplier? Did you ever had to complain when we did the foundation and supplied all woods and boards needed. NO! It will be interesting to see the video of where you asked your security to mark wood supplied by Brabus with white paint.

Blockwork from hell That's what you paid for. N50 per block for bricklayer, labourer and supervision can only get you that. I'm sure you'll remember it was no longer my business at those times except you can show me where I quoted N50 per block for you.

Deciding to do a 4 board foundation, even though you collected money for 5. Really

Stealing nails So, what did we use to do the work. Binding wires?

I can go on and on. Pls add more but let it be logical this time.

brabus:
I'm ready for you today. Let's even do line by line. I'll give you the next 2 hours to prove me a fraud. Please don't just cry so that people can read facts and not emotions.

Where are the receipts for the payment mentioned below, i mean its simple. Just provide a copy of the receipts and i will keep quiet.
When did Lagos state government start giving payment notices via BBM messages?
Where is my Original building plan approval
I dont have a consent yet, how come you were able to get an approval ? Of course its fake.
When it was checked out at Alausa, there were no records of it. This was done by staff there.

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/approval1.png
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/approval2.png
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/approval3.png


Dont ask me to meet anyone, just a simple receipt is all I need so that we can cross check it with the account department at Alausa. This is not the first time that I have made official payment to Lagos State, if you pay at a bank you get a receipt.

If you have a demand, it comes in the form of a letter not a BBM message.

Oya, start your excuses !!

Of course, you are a fraud, without a shadow of doubt, what other proof do you need.



Stealing Cement and asking me to get scientific proof that you did, what a whole load of rubbish. Obviously what do you expect from a thief.
Colluding with my security to defraud me (The guy no gree with you, you started fighting him)
Countless list of shoddy jobs
(Pillar starting with block and then concrete)
Decking slab mixed with block, and done deliberately. Isnt a decking/slab supposed to be concrete, and then you give me some crap excuse.
Foundation that is not straight
Collecting money for Marine board and then getting me to buy wood again
Blockwork from hell
Deciding to do a 4 board foundation, even though you collected money for 5.
Stealing nails
I can go on and on.


The above are not mistakes, they are what an idle mind spends time thinking about and planning, thats why they say an idle mind is the devils workshop.

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/rear_foundation.jpg
https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/rear_foundation2.jpg

I thank God today that I have moved on with your bad job and got real workers to fix all your mess. ALL MANAGED BY ME AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO TEACH YOU ON HOW TO BUILD A HOUSE, SOME EVEN ASK FOR YOUR NUMBER TO TELL YOU, BUT I TELL THEM NOT TO WORRY.

I mean, even you yourself said the below.

https://www.zenet.co.uk/images/bosun_roof.jpg

All this was managed by myself with the help of some honest engineers/workers, I have never heard anyone make such a good comment about the work you did on my site, at lest you did it up till decking before i FIRED your ass. How can i be dealing with a fraud who was locked up in a police cell.

I am surprised you have finished your celebration (first time you nack your wife and all that Bulls*it, like anyone really freaking cares when you nack your wife or whoever she is).

What we care about is for you to stop parading yourself, you are a SERIAL UNDERACHIEVER AND A FRAUD. GO and kneel in front of your prayer stones and seek help because you are clearly sick in the head. You defraud people and still have mouth to say all the crap you come up with, anyway internet has allowed people to be what they are, I bet you are very quiet when locked up in a cell, chains on your feet and cuffs on your hands.

brabus:
@HappyKay, I'm happy that you agree we all make mistakes in life but my own issue with you here is you said I'm a fraud without a proof. Now I'm asking you to "Tell anyone who's accusing me here to tell us anything they paid Brabus or NextHome to do and that we refused to do".

I'm sure that is fraud and I'll be happy to apologize and make a refund. Otherwise, it's just a cheap blackmail.

He's owing planksupplier. He owes blockmaker. Ever wondered why I choose to own my marine boards, my dump truck, my block industry, my mixers, generators, pumping machine and all other tools of trade. Even up to welding machine, Aluminium profile cutting machine, testing bucket and lot more. It's because of the unfounded stories we hear all over.

If I owe after owning all this equipment, then the project should be questioned. Or don't you agree?

Story
Thief Thief !

brabus:
@HappyKay, I can't do a line by line with anyone here but I can tell you those who have issues with me and chose all means to get justice have their allegations quashed without any trial.

You know why? I have evidences and facts to dispel every rumors. If I share kobo by kobo details of my transactions with many here, you'll be shocked at how detailed I can get.

Someone on here once accused me and petitioned his (Lagos State Police Commisioner) friend that he was defrauded by me. And I got an invitation by the Police who asked me to come with all evidences to prove my innocence. On getting to the station, the police were shocked that because they can read through me. I asked that they call the complainant to be around when I'm been interviewed and luckily our Americana is available and he came. He said I supplied him Chinese tiles and I gave the police the two estimates that were given to him and asked the police to ask him which one did he pay for? I asked them to ask him just as I'm asking every other accusers here if I'd ever made any additional request outside my estimates to which he answered "No"

At the end of everything, the police said there's no intention to defraud. Fraud is when you gave money to someone to build a house for you in Ondo and you see the house in Abeokuta. They asked if we have officially terminated the contract to which I replied "No" and that's the end of it.

If you doubt it, I'll share all the details here and even the prosecution officers number to find out more. My client lives in highbrow Ikoyi and works in one of the world fortune 100 companies so don't say I bought justice.

If I accuse you of anything, trust me there's enough evidence to back it up. If I chose not to reveal those things, I did so at my discretion.

That I owe suppliers, please tell me how many of the suppliers were paid by anyone on my behalf or that I ever begged anyone to help me offset. It's a normal thing for suppliers to protest when they're been fed with rumors.

Now ask those who are accusing me that if they bought materials, do they pay off before delivery or after confirmation of deliveries? Also, do they pay make upfront payment to contractor. Someone who pays bricklayer by the number of blocks laid each day. How can such person attract the best in the trade? Why do such person need a contractor?

Bros, I'm not a lousy person so don't confuse my silence to mean bragging. As you lay your bed, you'll sleep on it. So I'm not bragging but I knew some crude facts that they won't let you see.

TouchstoneNgr:
To answer your questions.

The depth can be more than 600mm if you wish, but the standard (general depth) is 600. This allows for convince in use.

For concrete, I guess 100mm should be good for you. As we don't advise or use concrete slabs.

I guess you would have done your plumbing and other services before constructing your concrete slab. The gas duct should have been provided as well.

There is no issue about your cylinder location. Just lay a 1.5 inch pipe in the wall which your gas pipe will be passed through. The pvc pipe can be directed somewhere outside the kitchen where the gas cylinders will be.

Standard height for a kitchen worktop is 900mm. You are correct.

There are various sizes for free standing cookers. From 500mm, 600mm, 900mm and 1000mm. It all depends on the type of cooker you intend to use in the kitchen.

My take is this, you can get good granite top for your kitchen top which will serve you better and look neater than any concrete worktop.

We hope we have been able to answer some of your questions.

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Thanks for the reply, reapply appreciated.

Granite may not be cost effective for me, and i am not building a garage and calling it a house like some people do, so different solutions for different folks.

This is a commercial property and I dont think that wood will serve me in the long run, I have seen concrete worktop done very well and you may not even know. its all down to ones imagination.

Miscellaneous:
Wait. Mister, are u student too or a practicing professional ?

But, bro I didn't get the patronising part of ur statement actually....

Me i am a proffesional but not a building proffesional. I just like to learn and indulge in the process.
The guy likes to be associated with other people who act like proffesionals, obviously being a fraud who is forming Pro..
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