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I and the father and Jesus are one! John 17:22

AllenforGOD:
dumbo
john 10:3
"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE/THESAME"

Please let's not deceive one another, this is not about religion but a controversy going on between those ruling and their subjects.

The rulers have just proved that the system of rule called "DEMOCRACY" doesn't guarantee that power should be shared between the rulers and their subjects rather the rulers have it all under their control.

I have met several northerners Muslims while traveling who have PREACHED to me about Obi but i was really shocked that a man from the core north like Kaduna who is a Muslim could be trying to convince me into voting for Obi. So this has nothing to do with a Christian Muslim thing rather it's like a big disagreement between Nigerian and their rulers.

The rulers want to keep the power but their subjects wants it back thinking DEMOCRACY is real.

Well this is the fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy found at Daniel 2:40:43 in that prophecy Iron represents the rulers while soft clay represents the people who are subjects to the Iron. Under the last system of government that mankind will practice before God's Kingdom takes control of the earth {Daniel 2:44} those ruling will like to keep the power to themselves while intimidating their subjects {Ecclesiastes 4:1} but their subjects also will not relent in their effort to drag power with their rulers.

This is what will happen throughout the world and it will lead to the great tribulation which will make the whole world suggest one world government but then God's Kingdom will strike by destroying all of them and it will stand to time indefinite. Daniel 2:44

Please it's not about Muslim or Christians but the subjects tired of their own rulers as they chose human government for themselves just as God's word has foretold that by the time their chosen rulers begin to maltreat them they will call onto God but He will not answer them! 1Samuel 8:11-18

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll". Revelations 22:18-19

If all you've been arguing blindly in support is the word TRINITY that's not found written in any version of the Bible then think about the verse above because i will never argue in support of what is not found written in God's word claiming people must believe it when i know for sure that it's not written anywhere in God's word!

GoodIsGod:
Guy you are not smart with your response.
Who is Isolated in their beliefs and thoughts besides JW who believe every other person is wrong and their sect is the only righteous sect. And among them alone will the 144,000 going to heaven come from.
Watchtower Zombies.
If Watchtower wakes up today to say Jesus is no more the Son of God you'ld all follow like Zombies.
Ọmọ stop disturbing my mention with heresies programmed in your mendular by the "Wismen" in Watchtower.
Have a blessed day.

This is evidence that you're an atheist for real!

True believers have the same line of thought with the man who said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

So if you don't belong to the group having this line of thought as one family globally {John 17:22} ọmọ you're a disguised athiest.

For your information it's atheists that believes everyone or every other group has something to do with truth as for real Christians no group apart from us know the truth!

AllenforGOD:
yet you've baptized and still deny the TRINITY.

Now you're talking!

Can you quote the word "TRINITY" in any version of the Bible?

AllenforGOD:
abi shey una don omit this one?
matt 28:19
"Go ye therefore all nation making Disciple,Baptising them in the Name of God The Father and of God The Son and Of God The Holy Spirit"

That's what we do each time we are baptizing our newly dedicated Bible student and the whole world could see how we baptized Serena Williams.
Tell me the name of your church and show me those baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in your church!

Who are those noisemakers?

What is the name of their churches?

Tell them we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Good!
So if they're two separate persons and one has always relied on the other's strength then one is greater than the other.
As for being one Jesus also prayed for true servants of God to be one just as himself and his father are one {John 17:22} that doesn't mean we will be equal with God rather it simply means we will have the same line of thought with our Creator.
God also called humans Gods {Psalms 82:6} because we were created in His image! Genesis 1:26

It's really pathetic that you don't even know the indepth meaning of "athiests" because true believers work together with faith {Hebrews 11:1; James 2:18-26} but atheists are isolated each in his thoughts {Luke 11:23} that shows how ignorant you're thinking Jehovah's Witnesses who are globally working as one big family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} making disciples and baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit {Matthew 28:19} and teaching them to observe all what Jesus taught {Matthew 28:20} are athiests who don't believe in the existence of God nor does anything in faith!

GoodIsGod:
My guy be smart na.

You JW have some things in common with the Atheists. Even when they get your point they prefer to remain in the darkness of their hearts just to feel cool.

In those my comments I never said Jehovah is not different from Jesus. But you are acting ignorant.

Though they are two different personalities yet they are One.
It's hard for you to grab this because of the state of your programmed mind. You can't reason outside Watchtower doctrine. It's so sad.

Read This Below. From Jesus Himself:

Mark 10:7-8 (KJV) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

Just to tell you that two personalities can become One.
Does it mean the Husband has seized to exist and the wife too has seized? No!
Jesus says they have become one.

Why is it an abomination in the ears of you guys to hear the same Jesus say "I and the Father are One. If you see me you have seen the Father,"

The Revelation verse says, "all creatures in heaven and earth and below the earth say to the One who sits on the throne and his Lamb they are worthy of praise, honour,.."

That is worship being given to both God and Lamb.

And Jesus told the Devil:
LUKE 4:8
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”


So the creatures in heaven and earth worshiping Jehovah and the Lamb are in error? Is that what you guys are taught?

They are worshiping their God who they are to serve only. (Jehovah and His Son)

If man and woman can become one according to Jesus. He and His Father being One should not baffle you if you guys are Smart enough.

It's a shame.
You guys are like the atheists.

Both of you are taking medicine for another man's headache but if you're really interested in your case go and bring your police.
Until both of you present your churches there is no show for you.

You both can continue exchanging pleasantries until you're tired!

GoodIsGod:
Consider this.
You may delete it from your Bible if you are not comfortable with it.

The son and the Father worshiped by creatures in heaven and on earth.

Revelation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

Remember Only God is worthy of worship.

To two persons not one!

Jesus said:

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3

Jesus and his father are two separate persons not one!

Madman Atheist, you no get religion but you wan kill yourself for another person religion!

Preach your religion and i'll preach mine.

If you won't talk about yours it simply means you're an atheist.

I won't chat with an atheist who wants to talk evil about faith!

STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!
If you know you're interested in my religion tell me about yours, in the absence of that ọmọ no show for you!

AllenforGOD:
fallacies :ofallacies

John 3:16

AllenforGOD:
Then Kiss the wires on the transformer you told me to embrace and be electrocuted rather than your wallow in FALLACY

Son of God differs from God Himself!

Have you accepted the challenge?
Otherwise no show for you!

More cries from the atheist!

evanvick:
The multitude of prophets and pastors that foresees the victory of Peter obi should kindly tell us what went wrong with their prophecy. Or was it not God that opened their eyes to see? Was it predictions?. I am confused

God has stopped speaking to man after the Bible was completed so anything called prophecy having nothing to do with what the Bible say is just human predictions!

tfrancis:
Romans 4:5 says "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him (God through our Lord Jesus Christ) that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

Faith without work is DEAD! James 2:26

So if you don't work hard towards doing what Jesus taught {Luke 13:24} then you're lying to your own soul because Jesus won't count you as one of his own rather he will take you as one of the workers of LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

Cry cry baby atheist!

Cry cry baby!

Courz:
Mumu Mad MaxInDHouse aka Maximus 69 The Fraud. 😀 You don't know what to say again? Why are you speechless? E shock you abi? 😂😂😂

Here is a video about the Pennsylvania JW Child Sexual Abuse cases and the Pennsylvania House of reps battling to pass a bill to enable Victims of Child Sexual Abuse come forward to hold their abusers accountable regardless of how long the Abuse took place. The Senator pushing for the Bill happens to be a Victim of Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church. Oya, come and prove that this video below is a Lie. Come and prove that everything in this video never happened. Mumu.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

If you want to debate tell us the name of your religion we are ready any day any time but not with atheists who doesn't believe in God and religion!

Who is the noisemaker out there?

What is the name of his religion?

Tell him that we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

AllenforGOD:
maxinthecow'sbutt,then keep on wallowing in Delusions.
your Generals in jw knows He's God and that was why they changed the bonafide
john 1:1 to otherwise.
you are being Deluded by folks,they always present God<Jesus>as a god.
continue to indulge in your fallacy you gullible folk.

Moses WAS God! Exodus 7:1

Go and hug the transformer if you're not ready to accept the truth. Jesus never called himself God but God's Son SENT!

Janosky:
IBERIBEISM weds Lunacy

He is not ready for a thorough debate!

The first time i saw the thread he opened with his second account i wanted to discuss with him but he quickly cut me off saying he's not interested in mature discussion so ever since then i keep him in the waiting room perhaps his jumping up and down will stop JWs from commenting, preaching, teaching and making disciples on Nairaland.
Now he has seen that he's becoming irrelevant he wants to chat with me but in a rude manner. I will teach him how to respect other people's opinions whether you think they're right or wrong.
If he likes let him continue typing whatever he likes i won't give him any audience until he is ready for a mature discussion which must be liberal, i will ask him questions, he must answer before my turn to answer his question.
There is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association today so there's nothing himself and his cohorts can do other than crying and wailing behind the camp.

We are Jehovah's Witnesses!

If anyone wants to chat with me over faith he or she should be prepared to answer questions the same way he or she expects me to answer him or her, in the absence of that let them go and call their police!

When you're ready for the showdown you will do the rightful until then nothing for you!

Continue deceiving yourself, you're reading the Bible but saying another thing that's not a problem you are free to choose whatever you like even though God's word has spoken!

GoodIsGod:
Don't twist the scriptures for your intention to win argument.
The verse you quoted below:
Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. John 5:19
It doesn't mean Jesus had to ask God for help to do a miracle. He doesn't need it.
The Father has already given him ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
Therefore he doesn't need to ask for permission.
" The son can not do anything on his own but what he sees the father does..."
This doesn't mean he couldn't do anything without asking God for permission or power.
It means what ever he does is what God would have done also.
He does the mind of God. (Whatever he saw God did, he did)
Stop twisting the scriptures.
When Jesus prayed to God at the tomb of Lazarus, he made us know why he did that.
He said "for these people to know you sent me" He was not asking for permission or power to raise Lazarus. He has the power already. He only wanted to show the people that his power was from God. Guy, go study the bible more and ask for the grace to understand what you read. Jesus doesn't need God's permission each time to do anything. He already has it. ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH

Your madness now knows no bounds shey?

After all your rambling on other threads you still jumped here to constitute nuisance when nobody takes you serious again.

Dude you're free to continue your madness but i won't give you a audience not on my own thread.

If you're ready for a showdown with me just start a new thread and call me out so that we can both chat asking each other questions and answering each other. You must present your religion while i present mine, you must preach what you know while i preach mine but don't ever think you will be the one asking questions while you have nothing to answer that will be in your dreams.

Farewell!

AllenforGOD:
both
which is God Himself<john 1:18,1-3,10:30,14:10> and Himself,stop attempting to conceal the Truth
maxinacow'sbutt

So you don't even know what you're saying!

Jesus prayed to God so he was praying to himself, shey? John 11:41-43
Jesus cried unto God so he was crying unto himself, shey? 22:42
Jesus shouted for help from God so he was talking to himself, shey? Matthew 27:46

Guy you're free to choose whatever you want but Jesus never claimed to be God rather he said he's God's Son and we all know the difference between father and Son!

GoodIsGod:
Moses was never God
Moses was never refered to as God.
God answered the people of Israel through Moses.
Moses had to ask God for assistance. To answer the groans of God's people.
All the miracles Moses did God told Moses what to do.

Exodus 7:1

GoodIsGod:
"Stretch your hand over the waters" etc.
Jesus did the miracles without the direction of God. He needed not to pray before he did miracles. He had the power he needed.
Stop twisting the scriptures bro.

Jesus only did what God asked him to do:

Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. John 5:19

Jesus CANNOT do a single thing without God's approval!

GoodIsGod:
Moses had to ask God for assistance as a helpless human he was. And when God answered him, he gave him instructions.

Jesus steps into situations without needing to beg God for assistance. He already had the Power.

“Father, I thank you that you have heard me. True, I knew that you always hear me; but I spoke on account of the crowd standing around, so that they may believe that you sent me.” 11:41-42[/b]

Only God can answer Jesus' prayers that's why he solely relied on God as you can see!

GoodIsGod:
Never liken Jesus to Moses.
Before Moses was He existed.

God likened both {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter likened both {Act 3:22} so you can't change that with credulous thoughts.

jaephoenix:
Thanks for the dodging, Mr. Mol@station-Condoner

They are FAKE stories as long as you're not the victim neither a witness nor video of what you want to claim.
Nigeria's election has flawed whatever you and your cohorts are saying.
Election was conducted, videos of where people voted were uploaded but it was the result of invisible voters that won the election.
So if you're not the victim, your son or daughter is not the victim, it didn't happen in your presence, you don't have a video to back the incident yet you want to bank on reports ọmọ you're one of those that's supporting lies against the innocent!

OLAADEGBU:
Why has Janosky suddenly gone silent?

After typing typing and typing about Kumuyi and his followers but no interested person the next is to market JWs small to create traffic on your thread.
And still Matthew 5:14-16 hasn't opened your eyes!