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jaephoenix:
The difference is gay doesn't impede on another person's human rights. Pedophilia does.

Pedophilia is in two different forms:
Someone stronger or more intelligent beat the other either by strength or intelligence, either way it is evil. Yet if a girl/boy (18+) should agree to sleeping with a man/woman (40+) the parents of the younger will still frown at such union!

WHY? Because they think such union is unnatural not because the older is forcing the younger but they believe something is wrong somewhere.

So it's not even the forceful or impediment that's of concern rather it's the thought of what people feel is not right.

Meanwhile Gays and lesbians also impede on the rights of others when they are either stronger, more intelligent or richer than their victims. It's because the human society as a whole hasn't embrace homosexuality and lesbianism that's why those involved are still feeling shy but as soon as it's welcomed in all societies practicers will surely force their way through when they can't pay nor use intelligence to beat/compel their victims.

Less privileged young men and women has been lured into LGBTQ while they're seeking job opportunities by their gay/lesbian bosses it's either they concur or continue being in their unemployment status.

So whether we believe in God or not there should be standards all of us must uphold for our well being. What is evil can't be managed it must be pronounced as evil we can only help those involved by reorientation not thinking they're better than those who are forcing their desires on others, we must remember that humans do compel others to succumb to their desires when they have what it takes to do so!

Nature teaches that male animals mate with females and they reproduce but it's UNNATURAL for two females or two males to do the same thing.
So i wonder what is natural in male to male or female to female mating in the name of attraction!

I'm still waiting for one traditionalist that will come to PREACH and TEACH what his religion says without comparing it to another religion.

Just preach and teach your religion then make sure you present those practicing it so that all can learn from what they're seeing your people doing as they can perceive the practical benefits of your religion.

This is not about tarnishing the image of other religions but presenting yours with conviction!

TenQ:
No sir,
You don't believe in the highlighted.
This is what you believe:
Rather than pointing men to the Words and Teachings of Christ, these people will point men to their organisation.
This is exactly what is expected of Self righteous servants of some old men in New York who call themselves the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witness Organisation!
Not surprised one bit!

You don't understand the highlighted at all!

They have proved righteous because of what they're able to achieve with their WORKS that's the evidence, i agreed with them because of the fine WORKS that's obvious just as Jesus said about them "By their fruits you will know" Matthew 7:16-18

You are here arguing since with your so called fellow believers since, none has agreed with you despite quoting what Jesus said for them but this is a group of older men who has successfully gathered millions throughout the earth from all tribes and nations and tongues as they're all practicing what you're now quoting for your friends here. James 2:18-26

So if i wasn't a Muslim before joining them you could have said it's my organization but since i left my former faith to join them due to what is obvious then you're only deceiving yourself!

PoliteActivist:
See how you are twisting and turning to avoid what's starring you in the face. You give someone ALL the attributes of God yet twisting to say he is not for no other reason than that JW DOCTRINE SAYS SO!
You parrot the only response they taught you: MOSES WAS ALSO GOD! Mention one attribute of Moses possessed only by God, you can't!

Since you love chapter and verse quotations knock yourself out with the following:

Shalom.

A representative of God in the midst of humans possessed the same quality as long as he is representing God. It doesn't make him God!
When Moses walked the earth no Israelite can please God except he or she follows what God asked Moses to tell them. The same applies to Jesus everything God asked him to tell mankind is authentic. The only difference between the two is that one has been with God longer than the other so he has more knowledge about God than the other that's all both of them are God's servants SENT by God!

LikeAking:
Baba, abeg no post anything about Jesus for here agian. Thanks.

I won't.
So you can now continue searching for wisdom outside Jesus of Nazareth. 1Corinthians 1:24

I wish you well!

peggywebbs:
All of these epistles for one single point. Do you see other Christians as fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord? Yes or No.
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If you're not baptized and continue as one of Jehovah's Witnesses you're not a Christian from what i know through Jesus' teachings!

LikeAking:
NL traditionalist don't be intemidated, please take the stage.. Enlighten us with your wisdom.
Thank you..

When i said "present a group" you may think i just want to interrupt you but the fact remains that all other schools of thought may be making noises in their places of worship they can never ever have the confidence to present themselves as a worthy source of light (WISDOM) like the one and only group established by Jesus of Nazareth the only begotten Son of God.

Listen to what Jesus said:

You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens. Matthew 5:14-16

I can bet you that you will never find any group of people that can fit in this description except Jesus' disciples. God has given them the mouth that no religion on this planet can challenge! Isaiah 54:17

So if you have found the true Christians all these won't be needed but you can continue encouraging other religions to come out and speak perhaps they have what it takes to stand as the source of divine guidance for the human race like Jesus' true disciples.

May you have PEACE!

PoliteActivist:
Since you have conceded that Lord Jesus was not "from amongst your brethren" but was apart, pre-exsting, your argument is mute.
As for the rest, Lord Jesus Himself was the message. He said He Himself is the way. Moses and the prophets tried to show the way to God. Lord Jesus Himself is the way - God incarnate. All you have to do is receive Him and that singular act takes care of all the 613 laws in the OT!

The highlighted is the truth!

I'm not an Israelite so i have no business with the laws their God gave that nation, it's Jesus' teachings that is appealing to me and from what i can grasp with Jesus' teachings this world will become a Paradise.
So get it straight neither Jesus nor Moses is my relation but Moses and Jesus are from the same nation (Israel) that's why Jesus could say that he didn't come because of you and i rather he came mainly for the Israelites {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} it's his people (Israelites) who are expected to bring his message to you and i {Act 1:8 compare to Zechariah 8:23} but majority of his own people failed to do just that so the invitation to become frontiers of his message was passed onto people of other nations {John 1:11-12} yet it's only a limited number of people globally that were given that privilege not all people! Luke 12:32

Stop propagating what Jesus never said about himself. Jesus claimed he was SENT by the God of Abraham and that he has existed before the world was created but that doesn't mean he wants people to worship him as God rather he directed all his disciples to the God who sent him! John 20:17

That's why i keep emphasizing that Jesus is a messenger of God just like Moses as the Bible says!

LikeAking:
Traditional Religion is the way.. There is no need to write long espitles to convence anyone. NL members with traditional knowledge, please take the stage, feel free to enlighten us.

LikeAking:
Lets restore the glory of African traditional religion...

LikeAking:
Come and discover your real path...

It's good to make a wake-up call but it's better when you present a GROUP that has woken up.
When you wake up in the morning and start preparing for your daily activities the first sign that you're doing the right thing is the people you find doing exactly the same in your neighbourhood. Imagine after waking, bathing, brushing, dressing, and as you step out you walk half a kilometer but found no one outside will you still be encouraged to continue going?

So instead of calling people to do something why not present those doing it for others to know exactly what they ought to do?

Dtruthspeaker:
And Olē, thief thief, it was not your group o. Olē group!

All i'm saying is that Jesus' utterances their is for a group not an individual so if you say it's not my group that's another case but do you agree that Jesus was addressing a GROUP?

TenQ:
Stop being a LIAR!
Jesus was addressing His disciples NOT JW organisation.

Even though I know that even with the evidence in front of your eyes, you still will not see, I show you the full scripture for you to read.

Luk 17:1-10:
"Then said he to the disciples , It is impossible but that offenses will come: but woe to him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Take heed to yourselves : If your brother trespass against you, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to you, saying, I repent; you shall forgive him. And the apostles said to the Lord, Increase our faith. And the Lord said, If you had faith as a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this sycamine tree, Be you plucked up by the root, and be you planted in the sea; and it should obey you. But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say to him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say to him, Make ready with which I may sup, and gird yourself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward you shall eat and drink? Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."



Follow your old men to perdition if you want but It isn't because you weren't warned and corrected.

The highlighted is really simple and that's what i believe.

Jesus was addressing a GROUP not an individual!

PoliteActivist:
Read the below carefully (John 1).
Lord Jesus was the Messiah, God incarnate, definitely NOT the prophet Moses said would be like him and "raised up" (not born) from "amongst your brethren" The second is Luke 9. They told Jesus people were saying he was Elijah or the Prophet. Peter got it right - that he was neither, rather that he was the Messiah.
Notice all the things that were foretold the Messiah must go through? Moses nor anyone else never said the prophet would go through any of that.
BOTTOM LINE
Lord Jesus was God incarnate while Moses was merely a man like you are, albeit a great prophet!

Since you have quoted what Peter said about Jesus and Moses {Act 3:20-23; Deuteronomy 18:18-19} your argument is lost.

Jesus was born long before the creation of heaven and earth {Proverbs 8:22-31} while Moses was born much later but both of them are God's servant so talking about servants of God SENT to mankind Jesus and Moses were like Gods in the midst of their contemporaries. Exodus 7:1; John 1:1

Here is the difference!

Moses WAS sent to established a covenant between the God of Abraham and the nation of Israel so whoever wants to become a worshiper of the God of Abraham back then must obey the laws God gave that nation through Moses. You must serve that God through the levitical priesthood, you can't offer any sacrifice to the God of Abraham if you don't want to have anything to do with the Levites. So you must worship that God through them.

Jesus is the one sent to establish another covenant with the nation of Israel so that if anyone wants to worship that God you must follow what Jesus taught the Israelites which they will bring to you. Unlike Moses's mission that worshipers must travel to Israel where the Tabernacle or Temple was built before you can offer any sacrifice to the God of Abraham Jesus' mission opened the way for anyone to offer sacrifice to God from any part of the earth without being present in Israel physically.

The point of emphasis here is there is only one true God neither Moses nor Jesus is that God both of them were servants of the God of Abraham, God only granted them the power to perform great miraculous works like Gods in their lifetime.

PoliteActivist:
How does the below refer to Lord Jesus?? Was Jesus a warrior like Moses? Did he lead a nation? Was he wealthy? Did he marry and have children? Did he ever kill anyone?
Think for yourself sometimes, don't just parrot something because it is the (flawed) doctrine of JW

Glory be to the true God that you quoted what is written in those verses.

Perhaps you don't know that Peter was talking about Jesus and Moses in that verse:

“Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself and he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Heaven must hold this one within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old. In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ Act 3:19-23

Compare to:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

It's God's word that compared Jesus to Moses not me so now you're free to argue with your Bible.

AntiChristian:
So of your kids mock your pastor na death?
Elisha didn't err! The children were at fault for being children!

According to the laws their God gave them it's appropriate that all those children die for mocking the representative of their God.
This is not about carrying weapons to kill those children rather it's the judgment from their God whose ordinances they despised!

TenQ:
I don't have a group like you o!
I belong to the Body of Christ: and Christ Jesus words rule over my entire existence.

But you belong to the group of impostures and replacement for Christ (those old men), please continue in your group o!

Of course i must continue with my group since it's evident that Jesus was addressing a group not an individual that body you know go and work with them.

PoliteActivist:
You are still on this blasphemy of equating Prophet Moses with Lord Jesus. Meaning I wasted my time in all I "taught" you in the long discussion we had about this.
Did Moses ever say he'd hear anyone's prayers?
Did Moses ever forgive anyone's sins or tell anyone his sins are forgiven? (Same thing)
Did Moses ever accept anyone's worship?
Did Moses ever say he'd come into anyone's heart?
Moses died like any man and was "gathered to his fathers". Was this the case with Lord Jesus?
Please stop comparing a human being to God incarnate

Even apostles Peter compared Jesus to Moses {Act 3:22; Deuteronomy 18:18} so i will rather believe what the Bible teach than your dogmatic credulity.

TenQ:
It is not about what Jesus did not say but what he said:
Was Jesus talking to Jehovah's Witnesses?
Prove it if you can!
So, We means JW or Christ's true Disciples!? LOL!!

Jesus was speaking to His disciples who are known by this
John 8:31:
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;"

The condition was CONTINUING in Christ's Words.


Like I said:
I will rather Live by the Words and Teachings of Christ, than by the fabrications of any group or men.

I will rather Christ Himself commend me of my faithfulness to Him rather than acclaim to myself pass mark of good works.

Indeed according to JESUS the Christ to we His servants

Luk 17:10:
"So you also, when you have done all that is commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'""

Of course, you need the validation of your organisation heads to mark your report card. Please continue

If at all I am to boast of ANYTHING, I will boast only in the Lord my Saviour!

1Cor 1:31:
"therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.""

Please continue with your group as you're using the pronouns in plural forms.
I am with my group as Jesus was directing his words to a group of people not an individual.

TenQ:
I will rather Live by the Words and Teachings of Christ, than by the fabrications of any group or men.

I will rather Christ Himself commend me of my faithfulness to Him rather than acclaim to myself pass mark of good works.

Indeed according to JESUS the Christ to we His servants

Luk 17:10:
"So you also, when you have done all that is commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'""

Of course, you need the validation of your organisation heads to mark your report card. Please continue

If at all I am to boast of ANYTHING, I will boast only in the Lord my Saviour!

1Cor 1:31:
"therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.""

Thanks

"So you also,when you have done all that is commandedyou, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty"

The above quote is what i need in your post.

So Jesus wasn't talking to individuals rather to a group of people who must say:

"WE are unworthy servants; WE have only done what was our duty"

Note that Jesus never said:

"I am unworthy servant, I have only done what is my duty"

Thanks for your time, i have known and come to RECOGNIZE those older men whom Jesus is talking to as a group and i have seen the FRUITAGE {Matthew 7:16-18} of their WORKS! James 2:18-26

So you can continue your own works here since you're optimistic that you will convince your followers to obey Jesus' words as quoted to them!

OlawaleBammie:
ok ok

sorry for misquoting u then

Thanks for your time!

membranus:
Unfortunately many of my pastors do not even know what I have read in books or seen in visions about hell.

And if I quote Bible verses, or introduce books to you corroborating my assertions, that will not change your well established JW mindset. So I will not waste my time doing so.

In a nutshell you're just a deluded self appointed preacher of what cannot be found in God's word. Revelations 22:18-19
Thanks for your time Sir!

TenQ:
Rather than pointing men to the Words and Teachings of Christ, these people will point men to their organisation.
This is exactly what is expected of Self righteous servants of some old men in New York who call themselves the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witness Organisation!

Not surprised one bit!

Thanks for your response so since you feel there's no need learning from the older men in New York you can now help your followers to start practicing what those following the older men in New York are already practicing throughout the world. Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

ipobarecriminals:
We are weak(the flesh is weak)

The first human couple were perfect so there's no room for weakness, what Adam did was deliberate he has been nursing the intention Eve just happened to be his excuse that's why God's said Adam wasn't deceived {1Timothy 2:14} because God didn't speak to Eve directly regarding the forbidden fruit it was Adam who passed the information to Eve so it's impossible for Eve to have deceived the person God used to pass the information to her!

membranus:
You have been capitally deceived by the founder of your JW Sect.

Hell is different from the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna or Tophet near Jerusalem in Israel.

Hell is a designated and an existing place of eternal torment for Satan and the rebellious ex-angels termed demons, and for all humans who hates God and love sins. It is an horrible place that is always enlarging itself to accommodate the large mass of sinners entering it daily.

Quote your Bible not what pastors infused in your head!

LilMissFavvy:
If it is forbidden in a church to speak up when the church leader does wrong or the church leader refuses to take corrections, then my advice is that you should leave the church, rather than argue or show anger. Just look for a better ministry.

Excellent!

OlawaleBammie:
bros i am not an ardent church goer, today now na house a dey dey play but that does not mean i dont bliv in God and Jesus my saviour, just that i dont bliv in church, me mysef i am not a regular faith exerciser but this OP said and i quote, he said satan can be seeing BUT NOT WITH OUR NAKED EYES...didnt u see that?

If that's what he truly mean then why attack me since my comment just buttress the same point?

My friend don't worry yourself about the guy i quoted as for the OP and myself we belong to the same church so we are saying the same thing.

The misinformed churchgoer i quoted isn't the OP!

OlawaleBammie:
he didnt mean literal seeing and i bliv u can read that from his words

If he doesn't mean literal seeing he could have simply say what he meant but instead he turn to rage.
Please don't let him deceive you i've known him for long he's not consistent what i said is simply: Satan can't be seen with literal eyes.

If he's not against this he could have just said "YES" not thinking about traveling to the land of the dead to see how the dead are doing there!

It's extremely difficult to believe (trust) Jesus' words if you're not taught by his brothers why Jesus' words makes perfect sense.
So coming here to quote Jesus when you can't inculcate in the hearts of your followers by the act of TEACHING {Matthew 28:20} will be fruitless! John 15:4

This is why you need to identify Jesus' brothers who are feeding Jesus' sheep today! John 21:15-17

If you're interested in knowing why we must forgive and even pray for those who are looking forward to killing us {Luke 6:27-28 compare to Luke 23:34 & Act 7:60} feel free to ask but if you're ok with what you're doing never mind.

It is wrong to criticize those taking the lead in God's organization in fact it's a sin against God's Holy Spirit but then you need to identify God's organization first afterwards you must be 100% submissive to them if you're on Jesus' side because whatever they bind on earth has been bound in heaven and whatever they loosen on earth has been loosened in heaven. Matthew 16:19

Of course they're imperfect humans like you and i so Jesus gave us a sign that will help you to recognize them:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:15-18

If you find any organization that's able to make their members love their enemies throughout the world without thinking of raising weapons against anyone {Matthew 5:43-48} love their neighbours as themselves as they respect the opinion of others and treating everyone in the same manner {Mark 12:31} and love their fellow believers ready to sacrifice their lives on behalf of their members no matter where such a person comes from {John 13:34-35} no part of Satan's political system where people are brainwashed into killing their neighbours in support of political struggles {John 17:14-16}
always easygoing without causing harm in the society {Matthew 10:16} and they're friendly everywhere you find them despite the sharp contrast between their beliefs and that of the others! 1Peter 3:15

If any member of such a group should criticize those taking the lead all he needs to do is find a better performing group so as to prove that those leading can do better but in the absence of that then such a critic is blaspheming God's Holy Spirit because Holy doesn't mean you won't find something to say against it rather it means you can't find a better replacement for what God has declared "HOLY" Hebrews 13:7, 17

coachchijioke:
Your comment reeks of ignorance. Satan used to live in heaven and Jesus saw and sees him.

Remember he was said to go to heaven and God asked him where he has been and he said he goes to and fro the earth seeking whom he might destroy.

If you dont understand mystery, read your Bible well well.

Continue deceiving yourself!

As human Christ set a standard living a model for mankind to follow his footsteps closely. 1Peter 2:21
So if he could see Satan in the flesh then you too should be able to see Satan.
Please can you draw what you are seeing as Satan before you?

Yeah55:
I disagree with you on this. Though Jesus was in the form of Man, he was still God.

Just as Moses WAS God! Exodus 7:1

OlawaleBammie:
I know u just wanted to type that is why u typed this rubbish..now u have typed, u can now rest so that u can have strength to type another rubbish tomorrow
He said tho u can't see it with naked eyes, didn't u read that piece??

You can be deceived by the churchgoer i'm not if he doesn't mean literal seeing there's no need arguing or cursing in the first place.