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cornelboy:
Jesus said God can destroy both soul and body in hell? How does the body get to hell? Aren't dead bodies buried in literal graves and they decay there? There's no doubt, grave is same as hell and the soul is the same as the person that died.

When they see many of their fellow Churchgoers turn to atheists they don't know that it's due to the fact that such once have made a thorough research and discovered that there is no place called Hell that's why they're no longer scared of the useless threats.
This one is just a thief who wants to make money from gullible people he already knew what hell really means but how will he threaten the fools around him to come and pay him tithe if he should declare the truth?

knowingChrist:
Stop assuming again dear Max. It's not in the bible that it was Satan who spoke to Eve. Why can't you just accept that you're not right? Are you telling me that you know better than Moses himself who wrote Genesis?

Moses never met Jesus nor learn from him so i know much more today than what Moses knew during his life time on planet earth!

knowingChrist:
I don't think Jesus ever told you or anyone at all that the serpent in Genesis is Satan, you're the one saying that. If Jesus had said so, he would have taught the disciples and they would have written it in all their letters but what you're saying is your own ideology dear max. It's not a word of Christ.

Whose words did Apostle John penned down here?

So down the great dragon was hurled, the ORIGINAL SERPENT, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. Revelations 12:9

The serpent that deceived Eve {Genesis 3:1-5, 13} is the "original serpent" here and Jesus is the one revealing these sacred secrets to Apostle John {Revelations 1:1} just as Jesus promised he will do! John 21:20-25

So my friend Max don't argue blindly, i have all the scriptural backings pointing to the fact that the serpent at Genesis is Satan the devil.

May you have PEACE!

Ken4Christ:
I see. But you love reading your lies that does not stand the test of the Scripture.
By the way, Russell is in hell. He is waiting for you. When you get there, you will remember all these posts and the opportunities you threw away.

I don't read fables, i relied solely on reasoning from the scriptures. And as for Russell and his colleagues who started the end time campaign for God's Kingdom they're now with Jesus in heaven prepared to take over the earth and start their 1,000 year reign with Christ. Revelations 20:1-6
So keep your false stories to yourself!

Davidf555:
Does the explanation of God existing comes from a personal failure of understanding the surroundings and understanding nature
Or A god is real, if he's real why're there so many of them?

There are hundreds of thousands of gods around you but you can't see any of them with your physical eyes, if you want to perceive gods around you it's their worshipers you'll see.
So there's nothing you can do if you refuse to use the right approach, you can continue typing articles upon articles trying to stop the worshipers but i tell you that it's until they're through with fake promises that they will either switch over to another god or get tired before considering your appeal for atheism.

Sweetplum:
Ko sohun to sokunkun simi.
Amo bi arakunrin yen se se agbekale re lo yato. Onikaluku pelu bi o se n so itumo Oro Olorun.

Ọ̀run àpáàdì ni Àjàyí Crowder túmọ̀ Sheoul sí.
Ṣùgbọ́n kòsí ibi tó ń jẹ́ bẹ́ẹ̀ bí kìí ṣe isà òkú {Oníwàásù 9:5-10} ikú ni èrè ẹ̀ṣẹ̀ kìí ṣe ìwà láàyè ni ibikíbi.
Róòmù 6:7 sọ wípé ẹni bá ti kú ti san gbèsè ẹ̀sẹ̀!

chieveboy:
Please do not consider this an affront on JW so no need for any defences...
I have had a romance with JW via those magazines (watch tower or so), which I did enjoyed by the way. So I know for knowledge and not assuming that JWs "anticipate"...as you have rightly mentioned.
When you are living in the present, there is no anticipating, you live as if there is no tomorrow. Trusting God and tying your camel...

You're wrong!
Because there is no total peace today but as we are peacefully cohabiting in our midst as brothers and sisters we are anticipating global peace.
That's what you can never experience anywhere!

Sweetplum:
Nibo latun jasi bayi?

Béèrè ohun tó bá ṣ'ókùnkùn síẹ!

knowingChrist:
With due respect Mr max, this is a beautiful narrative sir but it cannot stand. Never did anywhere in the scripture says what you said. Are you telling me that if you're saying that Satan Is the serpent then why didn't the whole of Genesis to Jude reiterate it, but you miraculously found the answer in Revelation.

I'm convinced what you say on this topic is incorrect and I'll like you to humbly accept that you're wrong and ask God to teach you the truth.
I'll not tell you that I know better but I'm certain that what you're saying is not the truth bc it's not well distributed across the books of the scripture. Moses didn't say the serpent is Satan and John's Revelation is totally unconnected to what happened in Eden.
One was talking about fall of Adam while one was talking about the Victory of Christ. One was talking about old Adam while the other was talking about New Adam; two different focus. So pls don't mix up scriptural situations to produce something that looks nice but not good for the soul. Thank you

Do you know the title of the Bible book i quoted?
Well it's called "REVELATIONS" of course Jesus used this Bible book to reveal deep secrets no one knew from the beginning until then! Revelations 1:1-2
Thanks for your concern but it's Jesus Christ who revealed that secret not Max!

knowingChrist:
Like I said Max, you did a good job with the writhing again, your narration was beautiful even though you just took some of the verse out of context but it's fine.

However, my bone of contention with you is in your idea of Satan, you totally assumed everything you said about him and I was just calling ur attention to that..

The bible made it clear that Adam refused to obey God or submit to his authority and he was not deceived but the Christian society reject this biblical truth to project an idea that Adam did not refuse to obey God, he was just deceived.

Yet, the bible makes it every clear that Adam was not deceived nor was there anyone in the Garden of Eden save Adam and Eve. In fact, the bible makes it clear that Garden of Eden was created after Adam was had been created and Adam was made Lord of the Garden.

This is why I said we should endeavor to let our wisdom be within the word of God so we don't create a good narrative that's suits our mind but totally goes against scriptures.

Thank you for replying me sir, God bless you. Amen!

Before Eve was created Adam has been in the garden {Genesis 2:18} so it's Adam that the order not to eat of the forbidden fruit was given and he surely passed it to Eve.
So if Satan didn't call Eve's attention {Genesis 3:1-5} she wouldn't have taken it or give some to her man! Genesis 3:6

chieveboy:
I have never been fooled by a JW before, I would have said "fool me once... "
JWs says a perfect world is coming in the future were all things WILL be perfect. All LIVING is postponed for this future event.

This is what you typed earlier today:

chieveboy:
In simple words: Now is actually the future, meaning if you finally 'go' to that future you anticipate, all you will find is 'now'

In another simple term: The future is made up of Now .

Lesson: Live in the present. Cheers!

Jehovah's Witnesses are anticipating a peaceful world and they're already living it today.
So do you have a better interpretation of what you said in the highlighted?

Sweetplum:
Yes naraka is real. Almost all religions believe there's heaven and hell. The interpretation is just different.

All the religions on planet earth are the handiworks of demons so the idea of living dead is global except for just one nation ~ Israel!
That's the one and only nation God inspired men in their midst called prophets to expose the lies of Satan and demons, the dead knows nothing and they don't feel anything! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
After the death of the first century Jewish disciples of Christ Satan raised his own agents who borrowed pagan philosophies with the hope of making the church's teaching acceptable to pagans, that's how they came about the teachings of good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell.
There's no religion that teaches that it's only those worshiping it's deity that will go to heaven so the churches insisted that only those worshiping Jesus (the supposed god of the churches) will go to heaven. That's why you can see all religions have similar teachings regarding heaven and hell but from what Jesus taught his disciples there was nothing like a place where dead people are kept alive for torment rather Jesus only illustrations to teach his listeners how God view evildoers and their evil deeds. During the remembrance of the dead which will eventually affect people of all nations deliberate evildoers will not be remembered! Psalms 9:17

So all religions believe in one form of hell or another but to true Christians hell simply means Grave not a place where dead people are kept alive for tormenting!

Dtruthspeaker:
I agree which is why I always wait for their individual fruits, after that, I speak.

Jesus disagree that's why he emphasized the need to watch out for the teachings of certain groups:
“Keep your eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" Matthew 16:6
Then they grasped that he said to watch out, not for the leaven of bread, but for the TEACHING of the Pharisees and Sadducees Matthew 16:12
Do you think a member of any of those two sects can inherit God's Kingdom even though he or she is nice?
If Satan could penetrate into the Jewish religious system with his evil teaching the same could happen to different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Luke 11:23

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't care! But no matter the farm where pepper comes from, pepper will always be pepper and mango will always be mango.

Well Jesus' statement at Matthew 7:16 is about different trees (religions) the performance of the members collectivel is what Jesus meant by fruit. Each false religion is headed by a man or woman who is the prophet so the collective performance of the members of that religion is the fruit of that religion.

If it's to be taken individually then there's no need talking against any religion after all it's an individual thing so in all religions claiming denominations in Christendom people can work for Jesus which is not true!

Ken4Christ:
Just keep reading to the end. And check your heart as you read. If the narrator is just cooking up stories you will know.
And who on earth can imagine such things and begin to deceive people through false visions.
There is nothing she is narrating that is different from the warming the Lord has given us in the Bible. There is consistency.

Sorry i don't read STORIES!

Righteousness2:
Young man , I Admonish you to quit that sect you belong to and Embrace GOD in truth and in spirit .
You are been deceived to Hell.

Young man Lazarus Mouka is deceiving you and all members of your church, go and find out the meaning of that word Sheoul (Hebrews) Hades (Greek) Hell (English) all means the common Grave of mankind.
There's nothing more to it than that but the church fathers in the third century don't know how Jesus' first century Jewish disciples were growing the congregation so they adopted the Greek philosophy of torment after death which they began using as threat to make people come to the church.

Jesus sent us out to preach the Good News of God's Kingdom not the threat of torment in a fairy Hell, it's a lie!

chieveboy:
In simple words: Now is actually the future, meaning if you finally 'go' to that future you anticipate, all you will find is 'now'
In another simple term: The future is made up of Now .
Lesson: Live in the present. Cheers!

That's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today.
Thanks!

Jesus taught his listeners a lot of things using PARABLES {Matthew 13:34} and the reason is because all his listeners were Jews who knew what the prophets said about life and death {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so when he described Hell (Grave in ancient English) Sheoul (Grave in Hebrew) Hades (Grave in Greek) as a place where fire burns his listeners could grasp that he was talking about the condition of some death people who will never be remembered for resurrection {Psalms 9:17} according to the words of the prophets there's going to be a resurrection {Job 14:13-15} of those who lived by God's word (righteous) and those who lived by conscience but don't know God's word (unrighteous) {Act 24:15} only the law-abiding Israelites are righteous from God's standpoint because they knew God's word and lived by it so their names were mentioned in the Bible {Hebrews 11:4-36} but many people from other nations who never knew God's laws lived by conscience so God acknowledged their efforts {Romans 2:14-15} but still since they don't know God's righteous standard they can't be called righteous.
So all these people will be resurrected back to life no matter how they died! Revelations 20:13-14

Jesus is the promised Messiah (Christ) who will teach the Israelites how to gain salvation but he will speak to them in PARABLES {Matthew 13:13} therefore taking his statement literally will make a listener stupid! John 6:62-66

chieveboy:
Now is actually the future. Assimilate this please.

Come on, there are billions of people on planet earth and each has his or her personal opinion regarding life so there's nothing to assimilate when you can't point to a concert yielding positive result in any gathering.
Even ants as tiny as they're each has a purpose for moving from one place to another but not until you study them as a group that you can grasp what they're working for, if you're to watch just each of them you can never know there mission.
That's why it's important to talk about what intelligent beings come together to produce as a group! Matthew 7:16-18

chieveboy:
I am concerned about your assimilation...
I just let you know that "performance" is not necessarily the main thing, that people could perform out of fear and you didn't seem to get it
I told you I/we would prefer to filter this performing groups to get the one that performs out of love, without duress, threat of damnation or promise of a better future.
In some words: I am looking for quality not quantity.

And you think your sense of assimilation is any better than that of a Muslim, shey?

Well love doesn't rejoice with evil but with the good. 1 Corinthians 13:6

If there's no better future to attain then what is the purpose of the information you're trying to pass! 1Corinthians 15:32

chieveboy:

What sense is there knowing best performing group in your generation yet you are not a member participating in what is good?

MaobiCarl:
If the snake was Satan's puppet, why did genesis god curse the snake to crawl and removes its legs?

It's just an animal not human so God laid that curse on the serpent so that generations to come may believe through a research on the DNA of snakes that truly God's word is alive. Hebrews 4:12

According to scientists legs were discovered in the DNA of snakes but they can't figure out why the legs disappeared only to be found thousands of years later through a thorough research on its DNA.

Perhaps Bible writers also had advance gadgets like modern scientists to have written such advance knowledge in that ancient book:

men spoke from God as they were moved by HOLY SPIRIT. 2Peter 1:21b

Urheadmaster:
He would have simply ask for refund of all of is money he has being sowing

He supposed to reap in abundance after all he should get interest on what he sowed nah!

TheRealOwner:
So why hasn't he done so after all these millennia of divine revelation and guidance?? I believe this is where you'll say something like man's sin or unbelief or some other flimsy excuse. The very idea that an all powerful being exists who can fix Earth's issues but somehow refuses to do so for some silly reasons is just a very convenient excuse

When you ask a question try to be patient enough so that you won't stupidly put words in the mouth of the one you're questioning.

God's thought is higher than man's {Isaiah 55:8-9} so you can't expect Him to handle serious issues the way humans like you will.
Try to reason with Him through His words {Isaiah 1:18} and see if His approach is the best or worse than the way humans would have handled the situation.

According to the Bible this case is between just three persons:
(1) GOD ~ Creator who claims He has the sole right to set standards for right and wrong. Deuteronomy 32:4

(2) Satan ~ One of the chief angels in heaven who schemed the idea that it's possible for intelligent beings to cohabit peacefully without God's interference. Genesis 3:1-5

(3) Adam ~ The first man who chose to take side with Satan instead of his Creator. Genesis 3:6

All humans are dust because God doesn't have an issue with any of us in this matter {Psalms 103:14} so it's Adam's sin that brought sickness, oldage and death upon all of us {Romans 5:12} and it's until the case is settled that a paradisiac atmosphere could return to the earth! Psalms 67:6-7

The case is almost ending. How do we know?
For thousands of years mankind has tried different system of rule and all has failed woefully showing that mankind can't rule over themselves independently {Ecclesiastes 8:9 compare to Jeremiah 10:23} the last system of rule that God foretold will be tried by mankind is here today 'DEMOCRACY' (government of the people by the people and for the people) in this system of government the rulers (Iron) will have to continue dragging authority with their subjects (clay) for a lengthy period of time all to no practical benefits then God will intervene! Daniel 2:43-44

So from the case God has used the Bible to present the final judgement day is almost here as all human governments will soon fail and their people will start to revolt against their own elected rulers after all God warned but faithless people never listened! READ 1Samuel 8

Thanks!

Stop mentioning my name and take your lies to stupid people like you!

This is what is written in God's word:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17

God said the wages of sin is DEATH {Romans 6:23} but Satan deceived Eve and people like you saying:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT surely die: Genesis 3:4

So the deception began afterwards till today!


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
Dead people can't see, hear, think nor have any memory so how can someone who is dead come back to tell you stories? No dead man in the Bible came back to tell stories but in this twisted generation lots are lying against God.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Timothy 4:3-4
Instead of listening and reasoning with the truth you're carrying false stories (fables) here and there.

And as, it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27
God even sent first century Jewish Christians to remind us that after the death people suffer through Adamic sin there's going to be a day of judgement to restore perfect condition to the earth yet you people keep lying that many are dying going through the judgment and coming back to tell stories.

And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31
Well God Himself said tormenting living people in fire is an evil thing that has never come into His heart!

Because DEATH is the capital punishment for all kind of sin so at death man has fully paid for all his evil deeds:

For he that is dead is freed from sin. Romans 6:7

God won't lie! Titus 1:2

Ken4Christ:
I have told you before that the word soul is used in different context in the Bible. In one context, it refers to the totality of man. In another, it refers to that part of man which is immortal. Do a research and find out if the origin of the word soul is the same in all context. You will find out that it is not the same. Destruction of soul in hell refers to the eternal punishment and torment it will suffer.
Well, check my new post on the woman Jesus took to hell for 40 days. Read it with an open mind.

Instead of listening to the truth as found in the word of God it's false stories you people carry up and down just to extort money from gullible people who are also stupid like you {2Timothy 4:3-4} if truly your imaginary Hell is a place of judgement then what are so many people doing there and going back to tell stories?

And as, it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27

sonmvayina:
What role is he playing?
God already gave us all we need in the Torah.
Nothing else is needed..
Don't worry about being in a cult or group. If you have the chance teach people God's laws. Bringing in jesus into it is tantamount to idolatry...because jesus is supposed to be a man. God forbids such in his 10 commandments.. especially the 2nd one..

What role is your Torah playing and where is the vivid evidence of it's effectiveness?

MaobiCarl:
Reason with you or accept your preferred interpretation of a very clear sentence. You can't accept that text yourself that's why it has to mean something else.
Isn't God finally what we want it to be?

Naaaaaaaaaaa!
It's what you want not everyone's conclusion, so deal with your own opinion while faithful people deal with ours!

chieveboy:
Islam is a one good "performing" group give or take.
"Performance" however is rather vague, not even the 'juice and source'. People held with a gun to their heads would give you a "performance".
We will take more seriously a people who do it for the love. No rewards dangled before them, no threats of eternal obliteration or damnation. Just love.

So are you a Muslim?

MaobiCarl:
Do I care about what you think it means? The true meaning can only come from the author of the text and not the reader. So far it's all clearly written that God is the bringer of goodness and evil. So shut up with ur apologetic defense

Guy, the author is God Himself but used humans as His secretaries to pen down His thoughts so if you can't reason with a fellowman to agree on the practical application of what you read in that book it's OK i only came to help you go and meet your Muslim or atheist brothers who kills one another based on the opinion that your stupid god is behind the evil deeds you're doing to your fellow believers in your stupid religion!

onumadu:
Genesis 3:15 says:
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Here God is speaking of the enmity he would put between "the serpent" and man.

But here you are interpolating (stretching and parsing as you think and understand).
That is the problem that has led man to where we are today, a being that cannot even understand God his creator.

The words "envy" and "jealous" are English words that cannot even be translated into Igbo, talk less of other lesser languages.
In Igbo, the two mean exactly the same thing.

God is NOT man. His language is SUPERIOR to human language.

There are words in all the languages on planet earth that carries a unique meaning to a word simply because you haven't heard of it never means there's no word for it in that language !

chieveboy:
That's true but only if when operating from JW consciousness. As for the truth about peace the first thing you need to know about God is that anything having to do with politics works against the peace of mankind. Only acknowledgement of the supreme being can bring lasting peace!
Good. Now you simply need toook around you and see the group who "acknowledge" whomever, is this working for them? I think you will say this is postponed till you have only the people who "acknowledge" Deity X before Peace will start working. Right?

Just present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses if you want to prove you know any God better than what JWs know and worship as an organization!