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Wilgrea7:
Wow ... Isn't that a miracle??
0.1% of the population decided to make the world a better place, and the world still isn't a better place.
Effective indeed

Effectiveness is when a school of thought is able to fish out people from all nations and see to it that they're performing according to the line of thought laid by the school so as to benefit all adherents.
You can't force food down the throat of someone who decides not to eat can you?
But when your food is nourishing and nutritional the benefits will become obvious in the appearance of those eating it no matter where they are. Ọmọ that's what effectiveness truly means! Luke 7:35

Wilgrea7:
When you're ready to have a real discussion without pushing your meaningless JW peace narrative, then I'll take you serious.
I asked a simple yes or no question

Don't worry my response isn't just to discuss with an atheist but to poke your bubble of deception!
The one and only true God said the evidence of His presence is His Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} and His Son (Jesus Christ) emphasized that it's by considering the evidence of God's word that the presence of God could be justified on planet earth! Matthew 5:14-16

So it's not about convincing an atheist but giving open-minded people the opportunity to make use of their brains!

Dtruthspeaker:
Which I said everyone understands the meaning thereof!
We have God's Word and we read it and it said and "they will be thrown into the fire...tormented day and night forever and ever." And we know that forever means permanently.
So please eh, this issue can rest and there is no need for further talk for we have gone over this before.

The highlighted is it about Hell or Lake of Fire?

You insult people stupidly then run when you found out you're wrong.
Your question is not about Lake of Fire but Hell so stop lying God said Hell is temporary it's the Lake of Fire that's permanent!

Wilgrea7:
Rather than address the points made, you went on a meaningless rant about the ineffectiveness of your organization.
Bravo.

Do you know what ineffectiveness truly means?
Well it's the direct opposite of effectiveness which connotes ability to do something without force, more than 8,000,000 people have come out from all races throughout the earth and they have all agreed to live by the same line of thought never to raise weapons against anyone again but continue to work with people who have agreed to make the world a better place {Isaiah 2:2-4} and here you called that ineffectiveness?
Wow! As in WOW!

Wilgrea7:
Question... Do you believe Ra, Vishnu, Allah, Krishna, and other deities in other religions exist?.. because the very same "encounter" people like Abraham had in the bible were also similarly had by people in other religions.
I have some follow up questions.. but I'd like you to hear your response on this first

Of course they exist but the spirits behind this names are demons (fallen angels) that's why none of them was able to go round the world to gather people from all races in their name like JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3, 5 compare to Zechariah 8:23 and Act 15:14

So those gods surely exist but they never proved to be SUPREME like JEHOVAH the God of Israel who asked His own worshipers to drop physical weapons and used His Holy Spirit to go round the world and gather obedient mankind for His name! Zechariah 4:6

Dtruthspeaker:
I have never seen a situation where a person is seen putting rice through his nostrils, and is said "that man is mad" is an insult.
Describing what is True has never amounted to an insult.
The Bible said grave in the case of Job not hell. And the Bible did not say "Job believes he is going to Hell" where it said "job prayed for to die" according to his Job 14:13
And on Jesus, we all know that the normal and usual interpretation of "going to hell" in ordinary speech means "those who are going to hell and permanently staying there". So therefore, it does not include a visitation.

So do you now see where you erred?
Because your question says:

Name one good person who went to hell.

God's word never said some people are going to hell and (permanently) staying there rather what God's word told us is that all the dead in Hell will come out! Revelations 20:13

So according to God's word nobody goes to Hell permanently since they're still coming out!

Wilgrea7:
Considering the fact that belief in a supreme being hasn't made humans coexist with each other peacefully, I don't think taking a supreme being out of the equation can do any more damage.. If anything, it'll reduce it

You're wrong!
There has never been a time people agreed on the issue of a SUPREME BEING until Jehovah's Witnesses went round the world to gather people who are interested in the supreme being {Matthew 28:19-20} it's politics that always leads to chaos not the believe in a supreme being so God's people (JWs) have erased politics from the hearts of millions in their group!
The result seen among JWs on the idea of a SUPREME BEING shows that there's no other way to peaceful coexistence apart from the belief in GOD! Matthew 5:14-16
Most atheists do conclude that since Israelites fought wars and it was God who commanded them then the believe in a supreme being has failed to yield positive result regarding peace but logically it was politics that lead to trouble between the Israelites and those nations not the belief in God. Note that all those who believe in the idea of a SUPREME BEING knew that the Israelites weren't just coming to take over their land rather it's the work of a God who has proved to be the SUPREME BEING! Joshua 2:8-13

Dtruthspeaker:
You are verily Mad!
The passage shows Job was on earth praying to die(grave) a he did not die. Therefore, he did not get to the grave nor hell.
See, insanity.
Again see how mad you are? No normal reasonable person has ever described Visiting Prisoners as being "a prisoner" (in hell).
People do it every day, even the Chief Judge of a State, Magistrates and Governors did it. So nothing above normal that Christ also went visiting and it is not described as "in hell".
Please MaxDMad, carry your madness to Uselu.

At times i wonder if you can ever say anything reasonable without insulting people who tried to chat with you.

Is this not your question?

Dtruthspeaker:
Name one good person who went to hell.

And according to the Bible Job believes he is going to Hell at death (not heaven) and Jesus also went to Hell according to God's word.

So what is your problem?

derecho:
God is Love and Jealousy (not envy) is part of Love.

Apt!

Sonmvayina!

Davidf555:
There isn't an ounce of intelligence here, what you just did was to type rubbish without facts or statics

Of course you can't grasp the intelligence here since you've concluded in your mind that it's all about religion.
Well (true) religion only comes in when there is perfect peace and not the other way around, in the case where people still depend on what they can use as threat to force their fellow human to comply with certain rules then God is missing and Satan is the sole entity those involved are worshiping.
So don't think religion comes first rather it's a form of understanding that leads to pure worship (true religion)
And as for statistics you can name a society or community where atheism is the order without any form of deity (ruler) who uses armed security operatives to force everyone into compliance with certain rules.
I know a society where all members agreed to live by the same line of thought and doesn't use physical weapons nor armed security operatives in anything they want to do rather they relied solely on the words of the supreme being GOD!

cornelboy:
There's nothing like a spiritual grave.
Hell is simply the same as grave.
Grave is grave. Nothing like spiritual or physical grave.
You should support your points with Bible verses not from your imaginations.

Jesus used idioms so they took it literal but when you ask them to talk about the rest of the idioms found in Jesus' words they will get lost!

Davidf555:
So you believe in religion there's absolutely peace. Quite interesting.
What you're bringing up is entirely another topic. Do i have to believe in the same thing as my neighbor before we can live peacefully? Or we must both believe in God before we live together in peace?
You claim in places there's no religion weapons replace the religion which is quite an interesting opinion. .
So I'm going to let you give me your reference fact checked by international organizations

I just displayed to you the indepth of higher intelligence my guy!
Legality has everything to do with supremacy so it's either you settle for the authority of a SUPREME BEING or WEAPONS.
The funny thing here is that in the midst of those who truly settle for the authority of the SUPREME BEING they don't need weapons to enforce or keep legality going but where people don't agree to settle for a SUPREME BEING they will need weapons and by the end of the day one of them will still become the supreme being who has the final say even when his opinion goes against what has been agreed upon by all involved!

Ken4Christ:
Yes, in a sense, hell is a spiritual grave. It is in the heart of the earth. Deeper than the deepest ocean and hotter than any earthly furnace. It is a place you should not even wish your enemy goes to.

Delusion at it's peak!

Davidf555:
Humans can cohabit peacefully without having to refer to a supreme being.
The most peaceful countries in the world are countries where the majority doesn't believe in a supreme being.

I doubt if you know the indepth meaning of the term "peaceful" because if you do you won't say the above.

Let me ask you: do these so called peaceful countries live together without using weapons to threaten one another into abiding by rules?

Peace means completely trusting your neighbour without anyone forcing what all of you agree upon as standard for right and wrong. In the case where some are PAID to serve as law enforcement agents in any society then there's no peace because it's the weapons that replaces the supreme being making those issuing orders to the law enforcement agents gods in disguise!

Davidf555:
Got any questions for atheists?
Bring it on
Ask what's on your mind

Please i will give you more than a year (if you want) to meditate thoroughly before answering this question:

Just one question: in the absence of a supreme being what logic do you think can be of help to make human beings cohabit peacefully!

When people heard Jesus teach in parables but took his teachings literally they turned back from following him {John 6:66} so instead of calmly waiting for the meaning of the symbolic terms Jesus used they thought they will literally eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood but the faithful were wise they knew there's no better teacher than Jesus so hoping they will later understand what this wonderful counselor is teaching in idioms they stick to him! John 6:68

So if you need the meaning of those idioms all you have to do is ask politely because your curses means nothing to true believers! Isaiah 54:17

Ken4Christ:
You are insisting on your preconceived opinion in spite of overwhelming evidences against them.
Answer these questions
1. How deep is the physical grave that it should be used as a reference for depth? So, it couldn't have been grave the scripture was referring when or said 'as deep as hell.
2. Does fire burn in your physical grave? Maybe only in your village? I would love to see it.
3. Do people gnash their teeth and weep in the physical grave? Maybe only in your village.
4. Do people talk in the physical grave? But there is conversation in hell. I would like to see where people talk in your physical grave.
Your insanity is beyond cure. Denying evidences that are so clear is a spiritual crime of the highest degree. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah will tolerate hell more than you.
They will laugh at you because they were not given this opportunity that you have now to have access to information. Information which clearly contradicts your beliefs and you deny it just to hold on to your lies that has not benefited anyone.
May God grant you speed to hell so you will not deceive more gullible souls like you.

Your curses are within your mouth and your roof so if you don't know something just ask that's all!

waititi:
which means that everybody went to hell

Sure!

waititi:
so job and Jesus went to hell because they did not know God abi?

Hell simply means Grave!

You said: “I will always be the Mistress, forever.” You did not take these things to heart; You did not consider how the matter would end. Isaiah 47:7

What has this got to do with God creating evil?

Dtruthspeaker:
Name one good person who went to hell.

I will mention two:


Job ~ Job 14:13

And

Jesus
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption. Act 2:31 KJV

Ken4Christ:
They are not the same and I have made about 20 differences between hell and physical grave.

According to God's word both means exactly the same thing!

Aladdin1:
Chai! Haba!! Na only for Naija the World wan for end? Anyway Mercies of the Lord come down to God Children. And may his Kingdom come and his will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven in Jesus Name.

That's exactly what the Lord Jesus said we should keep praying for, thanks for this and to that divinely inspired petition i say "Amen in Jesus name!"

TenQ:
Perfectly said!

Accepted!

Aladdin1:
So whats the way forward to the myriads of problems bedeviling Nigeria? to pray or not to pray?

The same problem will gradually escalate to all the nations of the earth, Nigeria's case is faster because the people are wicked in their hearts yet calling upon God in deception, that's why God warned his prophet never to pray in behalf of such wicked people {Jeremiah 14:11} and do you also notice that Jesus refused to pray in behalf of his nation for this same reason?
Well his prayers are only for the few people that accepted the word of God he declared to them {John 17:8-9} in accordance to what was written in the Bible book of Proverbs 28:9

Keep praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10} and working towards it's righteousness {Matthew 16:33} this generation is matching towards destruction therefore pray that you survive this system! Zephaniah 2:2-3

TenQ:
Deceptive son of Adam!

Accepted!

According to God's word a goat is sacrificed for the demons ruling the lands before Israelites took over Canaan! Leviticus 16:10

Hismasterpiece:
Do you have any Scripture that categorically states that a Christian should have absolutely nothing to do with politics?

Read Luke 18:18-23

Then tell me what you grasp from the story of a law abiding politician who went to Jesus for blessing.

Aladdin1:
whats complicated about prayers and praying?.we pray to God who is all-knowing.only God knows the best to give us as leaders.

Well according to God's word a King has been anointed in the year 29 ce.
A young Jewish carpenter walked up to John the baptist and after his baptism God's Holy Spirit descended from heaven to anoint this young man and a voice came out of heaven saying “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved." Matthew 3:17

This man told his disciples to continue praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:10} because from that day onward the world will continue to get worse! Matthew 11:12

What matters is the kind of people that makes up a community as long as their attitude is evil then it's complicated praying in their behalf! Proverbs 28:9 compare to Jeremiah 11:14

TenQ:
And you posted an older question from TenQ!
Who are you deceiving!?

I'm sure it's myself that i'm deceiving as long as i won't answer any question from you, i don't care if you quote my response to someone else but you in particular won't get an answer from me.
Keep what you think you know to yourself!

Aladdin1:
We did yesterday.its a noble act to pray for Nigeria at this time.because many Nigerians have lost hope in this country.we have to pray to God to give Nigeria a compasionate leader that would positively transform the lives of the ordinary populace.May God help us.

When people pray for something it's good but in some cases things can get really complicated!