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Hismasterpiece:
If you were a gospel rap artist your name would be Scripture Twista.. Baba you too dey twist Scripture.

Jesus said:
“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now.However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13
So if you limit your reasoning to just what you find in a verse then you can never decipher the import of what you're reading. You need to consider other verses in the scriptures that's related to that particular topic.
The Pharisees and Sadducees produced Nicodemus who secretly went to Jesus at night and admitted saying:
“Rabbi, WE KNOW that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2
Note that Nicodemus didn't say "i know" but "WE KNOW" he was referring to all the members of his group as a whole that these people realized that Jesus is truly the promised Christ.
What was their problem?
Well the Bible book of John 11:48 is the eyeopener, they don't want to loose their position which is the major factor behind their wealth just like the other young politician.
So it's his possessions that Luke noticed but the scriptures further expatiate that most people love prestige and high position in the society!

Ken4Christ:
The scripture says that Sodom and Gomorrah are still suffering;

Jude 7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, SUFFERING the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

I hope you read English in school. The word suffering is a present continuous term. It didn't say suffered which is past tense but it said, suffering, which is present continuous term.

And it added, eternal fire. It means they are in hell burning.

The physical fire that burnt their physical body is no longer burning. But their soul is suffering in eternal fire.

I know that you will still find a way to explain it out.

So are you saying those people has been judged before the judgment day so there's no resurrection for them?

Ken4Christ:
Read the scripture verse again. It says;
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER." (Revelation 20:10).
It states clearly that the torment will be night and day. It added that it will be forever.
But you teach otherwise. This is why I say Jehovah Witness is an anti Christ organization.
They oppose every truth of God's word.
Come out from among them lest you be condemned with them.

Sodom and Gomorrah has been destroyed for more than 4,000 years now but when the name of those cities are mentioned everyone remembers how God rained fire from heaven to consume the cities as if the rain of fire is still falling. That's what torment forever and ever symbolises!

paxonel:
it's the evil nature of humans to see people tormented while they stand aside watching

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's what they're anticipating !
But then such ideas has not come into God's heart! Jeremiah 7:31

paxonel:
They were all used figuratively like parables.
The literal meaning of these synonyms is death or grave.
Remember, Adam and Even sinned from the beginning and death came, that death is what Jesus meant by hell fire.
It's simply a state of not believing in Christ

Instead of concentrating on the obsolete style of threat used by the false religions claiming Christians what we all need to focus on is the WORKS of FAITH that leads to everlasting life and know how to avoid the WORKS of flesh that leads to destruction!
Whether permanent death or torment it's evildoers that will be punished not righteous so i can't just decipher why most people push this aside only to focus on the teachings of torment after death!

Ken4Christ:
If being thrown into the Lake of Fire means complete destruction, how come the beast and the false prophet who were thrown in into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20 were acknowledged to still be there after over 1,000 years in Revelation 20:10?

You have all been avoiding this question because it exposes your false teaching that second death means you don't exist anymore.

Since creation till today the one and only man who is no longer in his Grave (Hell) is Jesus and that's because he has been resurrected and seen by his disciples, billions are still in Hell (Grave) till today!
Before the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous to life on earth all false prophets and demons will be destroyed this means they will die, after resurrection Christ will reign for 1,000 years during his reign righteous people won't grow old, get sick or die and after that only Satan will be released from the state of inactivity to test survivors on earth but afterwards Satan will be sent to the same condition where all the demons and false prophets has been for the 1,000 years.

That's the meaning of what you're quoting!

mysticwarrior:
you have deep understanding on spirituality and am quite impressed and satisfied by your explanation.

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the body is, there also the eagles will be gathered together" Luke 17:37

JEHOVAH has blessed his WITNESSES with the BODY so they're like eagle gathered round the BODY!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
Who is the (real) Prince of Persia and why is he much more powerful than the angel sent to Daniel?

The spiritual famine is really intense! Amos 8:11

Yet wisdom is justified by her children! Luke 7:35

Ken4Christ:
The punishment of Russell who brainwashed you will be worse than yours. Keep living in bondage of false doctrines. You pretend not to be aware of the reference of Scripture I have quoted above the Beast and the false Prophet who are thrown into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 19:20. And after 1,000 years, he is still there. And Satan joined him - Revelation 20:10.
You are not afraid of God. You read his word and only take the part that agrees with your pre conceived opinions.
I give up on you.

Funny misinformed churchgoer!

Is it innocent people that will be punished or wicked people?
What happens to all your ancestors who never heard anything about Bible or Jesus?
You fools just swallowed the gibberish of your church fathers hook line and sinker then expect normal people to swallow it too shey?

Well know today that it's only EVILDOERS that God will remove from His program for eternal life {Psalms 37:9; Proverbs 2:22} no matter the religion anyone practice as long as he is NOT EVIL God's mercy is upon the person.
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses have an edge over all other religions because even though you want to be good Satan has kept a trap that you can't escape for you: POLITICS and RACISM

By the end of the day your false religions will prove worthless when you fail to love your neighbour as yourself and you're either killing or support the killing of your neighbour due to politics and racism. Yet you're here blindly arguing about what will happen after death instead of talking about how to make friend with God while you're alive.
At death people cease to exist {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} and only the resurrection hope {Job 14:13-15} is there for the righteous (those who knew and obey God's laws) and the unrighteous (people who lived by conscience) {Act 24:15} but as for deliberate evildoers they will not be remembered at all. Psalms 9:17
There's is nothing after death! Romans 6:7

The judgment at Hebrews 9:27 is talking about the 1,000 years reign of Christ Jesus when both the righteous and unrighteous will have to prove they're fit for everlasting life by their total compliance to the teachings of Christ.
All those that failed to do so by then will not be found in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} which will be written in the name of God and Jesus! John 17:3

Takara:
Why do you want me to swear? Did anybody asked you to swear before making your statement?
Now to your question. Islam preaches more tolerance than Christianity. Qur’an 2:256 clearly stated that there is no compulsion in religion. Show me a corresponding verse on the bible that preaches tolerance

God never commanded Israelites to preach it was Jesus who commissioned preaching {Matthew 28:19-20} and Jesus taught his disciples to be tolerant! Luke 9:51-56

Jaysolu:
Potential husbands are plenty. It's just the standards they've set that makes it hard to find. I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing.

Where?
30% are not responsible.
30% average aren't ready for commitment.
30% are either underage.
Out of 10% many are attached to religious beliefs.
So it requires extra effort on the part of a lady to fish out a male who is willing to take the risk of being intimidated due to limited resources.

cornelboy:
During my personal research, I found a site, ancienthebrew.org. The author did a great job and he really helped me understand some Biblical concept.

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/definition/soul.htm
This one talks about the meaning of soul in Hebrew perspective.

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/definition/hell.htm
This one is about hell.

Pls check them.

The greatest researchers will tell you nothing but the truth, it's religious leaders who wants to keep crowds that won't like to say what their people may frown at.

cornelboy:
I understand. I followed the way most Bible translations put it.

Most of them never did any PERSONAL research it's only what their religious leaders say that matters to them!

cornelboy:
Lol. I like your stories. They are deadass funny.
Jesus wasn't referring to any bigger hell/ lake of fire but to hell.
He said both the soul and the body would be destroyed in hell (Gehenna).
And Gehenna is another term different from hell (grave).

The English don't have any word for Gehenna so instead of separating the two they used the same word "Hell" for both Sheoul and Gehenna.
While"Sheoul" simply means "Grave" Gehenna means death without any hope of resurrection!

Ken4Christ:
You are scared to hear the truth. But it's for your good, so that you can repent and embrace the true gospel. Put away pride and admit you are wrong on this. Don't take this risk. If you die in this condition, you will go to hell.

Ọmọ apart from Jesus Christ who resurrected and went to heaven all the people that has died on this planet are in Hell (Grave) so cut the crap and talk about what God said in the Bible about life the direct opposite of death!

walkbrazil4k:
Yes, right, just as the headline says, is religion, not a scam? You are probably wondering why I am asking this question, well, I would give you my reason and I just need you to confirm or make me understand why religion is not a scam, I am a Christian, (not a brainwashed one), I have an open mind and I can attend any church, sorry I won't play that game of division, because at the end of the day no church can tie me down.


Ukraine and Russia are both orthodox Christians, brothers, and neighbors, but why are they killing each other like this? Can't they settle it? Even the leader of the orthodox church in Russia was supporting the war, so tell me, is religion not a scam? Share your thoughts guys.
https://www.walkbrazil4k.com/2022/09/russia-ukrainian-war-is-religion-scam.html?m=1

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it. Matthew 7:13-14

All the other religions on this planet are on the same road leading people into killing one another {Revelations 6:3-4} the only group that's on the path to life is true Christians but because Satan infused his agents in their midst since the first century {Matthew 13:25} in the year 1914 Jesus visited the earth and began separating his disciples from the other religions {Matthew 13:30 compare to Revelations 18:4} they're globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
In 2017 Vladimir Putin of Russia labelled this peaceful group "EXTREMIST" but do you know that if only JWs are the religion in Russia nobody will support Putin in killing Ukrainians?
Well according to Jesus Christ all true disciples must have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} and for neighbours! Mark 12:31

So if you're talking about scam in religion YES that's true but it's false religions the Bible called "Babylon the Great" {Revelations 17:5} that's using people to kill people due to politics and racism but in pure worship God's people has been taught never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

Ken4Christ:
Tenth Witness

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.

Jehovah Witness are stucked here. They can't confuse their gullible souls with the word hades and Gehenna here because Everlasting fire was not translated from any of them.

MaxInDHouse, Kobojunkie, cornelboy

I have told you to stop mentioning my name if you're not ready to reason with the scriptures and not fables!

Hismasterpiece:
No na.. He wasn't sad because of his position as a politician.. He was sad because he had great possessions.. that's what the Bible said.. Why you dey twist Scripture na?

Sorry his fellow Jews directly talked about their position which is the major reason they failed to appreciate Christ! John 11:48

mysticwarrior:
wow you singleheadedly quoted and attack almost all my posts, and with the bolded it shows you are not here to make correction but to exhibit hatred and enemity against me. You are a johovah's witness and i don't to share ideas or learn from you, Please don't quote me again.

It's OK, thanks for your time!

NNTR:
Psalm 5:9
'For there is nothing trustworthy or reliable or truthful in what they say;
Their heart is destruction [just a treacherous chasm, a yawning gulf of lies].
Their throat is an open grave; They [glibly] flatter with their [silken] tongue.'
Proverbs 26:28
'Watch out for anyone, who tells lies and flatters
-- they are out to get you. '
Romans 16:18
'Such people are not serving Christ our Lord;
they are serving their own personal interests.
By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.'
mysticwarrior, flattery corrupts both the receiver and the giver. Yes ooo, flattery is a form of hatred and wounds cruelly.
Know that flattery, as reeled out here makes friends, while truth makes enemies. Watch this, flattery is like cologne water, to be smelt, not swallowed because it is praise insincerely given for an interested purpose.
Nothing in this world, is harder than speaking the truth, and nothing easier than flattery. Pretty words are not always true, true words are not always pretty, and yet, they are still true.
Rather have a honest enemy, than a fake friend. Dont fear the enemy that squares up to you, but the fake friend, that hugs you and armed with a Trojan horse gift, but hey, he that loves flattery, is worthy of the flatterer
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

To what group or organization do you belong?

Jesus belongs to a organization and according to him both his father, himself and all members of this organization have the same line of thought {John 17:22} love is their identifying Mark {John 13:34-35} and they're all working together as one family to fish out all lovers of peace throughout the earth! Matthew 28:19-20

So tell me the name of your church (group) because Satan the head of all false religions has initiated lots of people {Matthew 24:11} heading different sects claiming denominations under Christendom today {2Corinthians 11:14} just as if Jesus was a confusionist but Jesus of Nazareth is one man with a unique teaching so all his true disciples must have the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

Jesus himself foretold that during the endtime Satan will create lots of groups in his name {Matthew 13:25} the only way to distinguish Jesus' real disciples out of all these people is the FRUIT this group will be producing in any place they are just as a tree will always produce the same kind of fruit anywhere it's planted. That's why Jesus referred to himself as the tree planted by God, his 12 apostles are the branches of this tree and any religion that's produced by this tree will continue to yield the same FRUIT anywhere it's found. John 15:1-10

But as for Satan's agents they will be scattered spiritually speaking {Luke 11:23} they will never be able to have the same line of thought Jesus prayed for {John 17:22} because each of them is Satan's offspring {Genesis 3:15} they don't have the attribute of true believers in God which is acknowledgement of a SUPREME BEING under whom everyone must be submissive {Genesis 3:4-5} that's why all of them are united with the true God. John 17:22

So if you're not an agent of Satan (atheist) tell me the group that you are unitedly submissive to ONE GOD!

MrPRevailer:
I only quoted the scriptures. Are you a swine?
My Lord Jesus said I shouldn't waste my time on you. Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

I just pray for your genuine salvation before it's too late in Jesus name.

Neither did he teach you to pray in behalf of people who believes they're already OK with their beliefs! John 17:8-9

So keep your stupid prayers for Lazarus Mouka!

MrPRevailer:
Matthew 7:16 "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
:20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Luke 11:15 "But some of them said, He [Jesus] casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.
:17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
:18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
:19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges."

More and more deception from Lazarus Mouka!

MrPRevailer:
Thank God for your salvation.
But unfortunately, you Cmchose the wrong denomination. Jehovah's witness is full of heretical doctrines contrary to the Bible. Likewise, Roman Catholicm, Cherubim&Seraphim.

Go out of them. Humble yourself and start afresh. Study only the Bible.

THE DANGER
Ephesians 5:6 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience."

In the Lord's Chosen, the G.O preaches the undiluted word of God. No addition, substraction or twisting of Gods word.

Do you know that Lazarus Mouka is a wizard?
Keep fooling yourself!

Truvelisback:
I will assume that u don't know.

Great!

knowingChrist:
I'm still learning and I do not reject truth. I can trek from Lagos to New York for the truth and God has rewarded my diligence with his knowledge (Hebrews 11:6). I would have loved to learn from you if you actually knew the truth but from what I see on here Sir, you're still struggling to be saved and in dire need of sincere milk so you might turn away your flesh. If you're like all these brothers of Christ you speak of, then I'll assume you all still need to hear the gospel. Take some time to study Sir, you're eering in so many ways and it hurts me to see you the way you're. You can look at my works on here Sir, they might help you. God has been kind to me to give me the knowledge of the Glory of God in the person of Christ Jesus. 2 Corinthains 4:6
God bless you Sir.

Do you know Jehovah's Witnesses?
That's where i got all the interpretations from so if you know any organization just present their own interpretation on this and let's talk about the FRUIT your preferred group is producing. Matthew 7:16-18
I have no personal teaching it's what i learned humbly from Jehovah's Witnesses so you can't learn from me if you're not ready to learn from Jehovah's Witnesses! 1Corinthians 4:7

mysticwarrior:
you have deep understanding on spirituality and am quite impressed and satisfied by your explanation.

mysticwarrior:
According to the explanation of someone here, when those who are created perfect like angles sin against God, there is no forgiveness and am convinced by that clarification.

During the time of Noah when the sons of heaven came down to mate with motal females, they try to return back to heaven when the great flood was ravaging the earth, but the gate of heaven was shut against them.

Reasonable evidence suggests that those sons of heavens made an attempt to return back to heaven, with the intention of begging for forgiveness but they were not given a second chance.

With the comments above you're going to get lots of enemies here so my friend don't think it's everyone that wants the truth each just want to hold onto his or her personal interpretation {Luke 11:23} unlike open-minded individuals of your kind who wants to reason together and have the same line of thought! John 17:20-23
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and most NL knows me very well since they hate JWs they will always be at loggerhead with whoever publicly commends a JW!

MaobiCarl:
Bro stop quoting revelation to defend your interpretation in genesis. You're only making yourself silly. Linking the serpent or snake in genesis remains a cooking of Christianity and you're still making it very clear.
The bible is a collection and library of books. Collected by men. Nothing was divine about the collection(study a secular history of the Bible). The Bible was created by the orthodox Church fathers after reaching a consensus as to which books should be read in church or not.
Every book of the Bible is on its own

Your PERSONAL opinion!

Truvelisback:
Interpret the Bible passage.

I'm not your teacher so go and meet your own teachers for the interpretation of whatever you read in the Bible.

knowingChrist:
Just take your time to study Sir.

Rather it's you who need to get a Bible study with Jesus' modern day brothers otherwise keep what you think you know to yourself!

knowingChrist:
With due respect Sir, everything you said here is incorrect. Never did the bible use the phrase "original serpent". Your religion chose to edit that part by creating you another bible translations that aligns you towards believing that.

The bible used the phrase "old serpent" and this does not in any way say it's the same serpent that deceived Eve. You're adjusting what the bible said to put out your own ideologies as scriptural truth.

If it's truth that Satan was the person who deceived Eve, the whole of the scriptures would have said it. What John was saying in revelation is totally different from the serpent that deceived Eve...

Even from biblical standards, nothing must be established as the truth unless you have at least two to three witnesses. So you've forcefully accepted and trying to establish your opinions as the truth Eve you can't find two people in the scriptures telling us that the serpent that deceived Eve is Satan.

If you're a true student of Christ, you'll know that your ideology is faulty yet the word of God is never faulty. If they call you a spirit man, does that mean that you're a walking spirit? It just means that your thought process are spiritual, even Jesus who rose from the dead said he's not a spirit (Luke 24:39). Therefore, if they called Satan serpent in Revelation, this means his thought process is certainly serpentine and not all this things you're saying Sir.

Like I said Sir, take some time to revisit this topic and do continue to say what scriptures didn't say. If you make the word of God a lie, it'll mean that you're adding to the Revelation of John bc John didn't say the serpent he called was the serpent that deceived Eve. You only added that.

And for the record, Adam refused to obey God's commandment refused to abide under his authority so he didn't need to be deceived and he wasn't deceived 1 Timothy 2:14.

Thanks for your time, Satan is the original Serpent! Revelations 12:9

knowingChrist:
Thus, very reasonable. However did Jesus teach you that the serpent in Genesis is Satan? Did any of the disciples of Jesus teach you that? Did you find this teachings from Mathew to Jude?

Don't you think you're assuming bc of John's Revelation? John saw a revelation that needs to be interpreted but you've only taken a statement of this revelation out of context to support your idea of what the serpent in Genesis might be.

I thought you were the person teaching me here that Jesus never countered Moses, That he only elaborated on what Moses had said, why then are you saying what Moses and Jesus didn't say?

Thanks for your time, Satan is the original Serpent! Revelations 12:9

Truvelisback:
Why avoid the context of his point? U are yet to interprete the Bible passage.

Continue dancing in darkness.
If you have anything tangible to say go ahead because the Bible is a book for everyone and it could be translated to whatever you want but the truth remains that DEATH is the opposite of LIFE just as God said in the beginning of the book {Genesis 2:17} so if you think the dead are alive somewhere that's your cup of coffee! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Davidf555:
It's a thing to believe in a thing or in a God, having opinions about somethings that's personal sure. But why must others believe exactly what you believe? Why must everyone be christian or Muslim in your eyes before you believe that" the society is saved"

The word BELIEVE in itself connotes TRUST so in your neighbourhood you can only TRUST those having the same line of thought like yourself.
For instance most people WANTS material riches but what we all NEED is basic necessities of life, now in the case where you find out some in your neighbourhood who are contented with basic necessities of life which is limited surely you'll feel safer in the company of such individuals than those who are desperate for riches which is WANT that's unlimited. Of course to an extent you can predict the next move of a person who is contented with basic necessities unlike the other person whose heart desires are full of WANTS making his next move unpredictable.
This is why intelligent individuals feels safer in the company of fellow believers than those having no faith!