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Ken4Christ:
Abraham bosom was also underneath the ground. It was separated from hell by a very deep gulf or valley. So, those in hell can see them but they can't cross over. God is his infinite mercy ensured they did not suffer heat in Abraham bosom. A recent revelation by a woman who Jesus took to hell reveals that hell has expanded taken over that compartment that used to be Abraham's bosom.

Continue deceiving yourself!

In the Bible book of Genesis 3:15 God said He will put enmity between two organizations so both sides are driving by jealousy but while Satan and his cohorts are jealous out of envy God and those on God's side are jealous due to the love God has for His creation.

chieveboy:
You are mistaking information (which religions have) about God with Knowledge. As far as you read about the Supreme Deity from a book, what you have is information not knowledge.

The only way to know the truth about God is through INFORMATION otherwise you won't be here trying to pass information rather you supposed to let God do it all by Himself!

As for the truth about peace the first thing you need to know about God is that anything having to do with politics works against the peace of mankind. Only acknowledgement of the supreme being can bring lasting peace!

According to God's word Death is the direct opposite of Life so at death nothing happens because it's only the living that are aware of their condition but the death knows nothing! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

chieveboy:
Okay. My take though on your question asking a reason why humans should cohabit without recourse to a creator is that the human is inherently capable of love. They do not even need to be aware of a creator.
So the answer is simple. They even may leave more peacefully than not because the major dividing factor and cause of war today has to do with acknowledgement of the creator.

NO! you misconstrued everything.

First of all it's lack of acknowledgement of the supreme being that's causing wars today not the other way around. And for sure if we agree on the issue of a SUPREME BEING the world will be a Paradise.

What most of you failed to realize is that politics is the major problem of mankind not the acknowledgement of a Creator.

mysticwarrior:
you have deep understanding on spirituality and am quite impressed and satisfied by your explanation.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MaobiCarl:
You want me to understand what you've interpreted to be what the verse is saying or what the writer of isaiah and all the writers of old testament are saying?
This one can pass

Well it simply means servants of God shouldn't fear whatever evil enemies of pure worship can plan because all the things they want to use against God's servants are created by God.

For instance fire is a destructive agent this is the agent that destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's men whereas God controlled all the gases that made up fire and converted it to AC for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

So the same God who created the destructive agent known as fire for a purpose turned it to a cooler because of His own servants.
Therefore servants of God shouldn't fear whatever evil plan enemies of God may have in mind because everything they know to perpetrate their evil deeds is under the control of the Creator who knows all the elements that makes up those things. Psalms 23:4

That's the practical application of what you're quoting not that God planned good and evil Sir!

BigDawsNet:

What Does it Mean That God Is a Jealous God?
In Exodus 20:5, when God commands that His people worship no other gods, He acknowledges it is because “I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God" (NIV).
And in Exodus 34:14, God insists His people destroy altars to other, lesser gods, for, He says, “Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

It's a long story that started from the garden of Eden!

elated177:
You are always looking for a way to narrow everything down to your organization.

But you don't want to talk about group yet you are here talking about fruit. Well it's OK!

MaobiCarl:
Isaiah 45vs7
New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

In the old testament Hebrew God was both evil and good God. He wasn't in opposition with devil or darkness. He causes everything.

The Satan connotation or invention is absolutely strange in the old testament

You first cited Isaiah 47:7 but as for 45:7 it doesn't mean what you're thinking rather it's deeper than that!

God is not the cause of evil deeds you need to understand what that verse is saying!

sonmvayina:
You don't need jesus..

Follow the laws as divinely revealed in the Torah..
There was never any need for jesus,God already provided the laws that will enable us live in peace and enjoy life..
That is all I have been singing in your ears..

Give me a vivid example of people who are cohabiting peacefully without Jesus first!

knowingChrist:
This is a beautiful write up Max and I must say, I learned from it. However, let's remain within the word in our knowledge pls.

I do not know where people usually saw Satan in the bible but I'm sure they are not looking at the bible or relying on the wisdom of God when they speak of the Satan they usually talk about in the Christian society.

Adam was the source of refusal to obey God, he was the beginning of men doing their own thing and being contemptuous to God. Like you said, some men struggled to obey God while others (Adam, Cain etc) totally refused to obey God and submit to his authority and this is why God doesn't say he's their God.

Abraham is the beginning of the covenant for salvation so when God says I'm God of Abraham, he's only saying I'm God who gave the covenant of salvation.

Satan is a real person but let's leave that for now and concentrate on the topic of discussion.
From God's standpoint Adam and many others who are rebellious have died just like Abraham Isaac and Jacob but God kept the names of all obedient people in a record for their remembrance {Job 14:13-15} as for Adam and others who were rebellious God has disown them {Deuteronomy 32:5} so they will forever routine in their graves {Psalms 9:17} that's why Jesus referred to some people as walking corpse {Luke 9:60} because they have no record with God {Luke 12:21} but as for all those in God's memory book they are all living from God's standpoint because they will be raised from the dead! Luke 20:38

chieveboy:
Sorry I couldn't help it: left to you, you asked a difficult question

Of course it will be really difficult for anyone who wants to deny the importance of a SUPREME BEING but for people who knows the truth there's no reason why any right thinking person should doubt the logical reason behind the significance of the supreme being GOD!

elated177:
Matthew 11: 28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
See the italicized portion.

If you don't know what the FRUIT means it's OK.

knowingChrist:
So you automatically assume that the snake is this person called Satan right?

Most creatures has the sense of sight, hearing and making a sound but the ability to speak is a gift given to humans only. So out of all the creatures on planet earth only humans specie is expected to have a form of language because we do communicate.
In the spirit realms there is all these senses as well and angels can use it all, that's why they can speak with humans too. Unlike humans who now has issues dealing with the confusion that started at Babel {Genesis 11:1-9} the angels don't have any problem because they know we're still speaking the same language globally it's a spiritual force that's blurring our senses from understanding one another regarding tongue so when they speak to anyone from any nationality you will hear them speak in your mother tongue.
Now this supernatural creatures also have the power to speak in a multitude of people and open the receptive senses of just one or a few to understand what they're saying whereas the rest will start wondering what is happening.
Well that's exactly what Satan (a fallen angel) did when he used a snake just like a puppet to speak to Eve {Genesis 3:1-5} that's why the Bible later identified the real creature behind the voice Eve heard that day as Satan! Revelations 12:7

elated177:
Let me quote another one.

Matthew 11: 28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Settle the case of the FRUIT first.
That one talks about people not Christ himself whereas this one talks about Christ in person.

Dtruthspeaker:
By their fruits we know!

Is the FRUIT based on individual differences or group differences?

cornelboy:
Lol. No kill this guy na

Faithless churchgoers needed it because they want to apply illustrations literally!

Dtruthspeaker:
Is the love of a Wore the same as the love of the good Samaritan?

Somehow we judge from outward appearance but the heart matters!

Wilgrea7:
Wow... Maximus is looking to get married. I'm proud of you son.
Anyways... Being selective in and of itself is not an issue. It's called preference. What you base your selections on however, is where the debate is.

Mr Atheist, i'm a 50+ grandpa happily married to a JW like myself so nobody expect any tangible contribution from an atheist in this case!

elated177:
What do you think?

You quoted the verse so i'll leave it to you!

AllenforGOD:
hey dave max spoke explicitly,GOD is SOVEREIGN INDEED,you cant fathom God except by the holy spirit.

God is not partial {Act 10:34} so Holy Spirit in this sense means the ability to realize that what you're seeing is not ordinary or just a coincidence but the handiworks of someone who is supreme! Romans 1:20
The fact that atheists chose to blur their senses to what is obvious doesn't nullifies the existence of God!

The problem most Bible readers often have in this verse is whether Jesus was referring to individual differences or groups differences!

drmuchin:
Evil Company corrupts good manbers

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm but they both claimed they love each other in the beginning!

Ken4Christ:
Hell is very dark. The only light there is the fire that burns.

So how did the rich man see Abraham and Lazarus since they're not in the same place?

aisha1314:
Is it bad that I have great contempt for religious codes of behavior especially when it comes to relationships and sexuality?

Are you religious?

mysticwarrior:
If the devil decide to ask God for forgiveness today, will the merciful God forgive him?

Forgiveness is only for imperfect beings because in most cases they don't know what they're doing {Luke 23:34} but in the case of perfect beings there is no forgiveness because they deliberately sin against God! Matthew 12:31-32
So Satan is awaiting destruction because he sinned against whom he perfectly knew unlike you and i that knows almost nothing about God Satan knew God face to face in heaven before challenging his sovereignty!

Ken4Christ:
The soul of Jonah went to one of the cells. And Jonah narrated that he was locked up with bars before his release. His torment was so severe that he cried from the belly of hell - Jonah 2:2.
The narration of Jonah story refutes your claim that the dead are not conscious.
Don't tell me that Jonah was alive in the fish belly for the three days. Even if he was, his story did not reveal activities that took place in the fish belly. It proves he was someone else. And that part of him that was somewhere else is his soul.

Jonah was thrown into the sea and he himself saw the whale that swallowed him so he wasn't seeing a vision rather it was happening live. What baffled Jonah was the fact that he wasn't dead in the belly of the whale instead he noticed that he's like in a coffin been carried to somewhere. That's why he began praying to God with tears that he's now fully prepared for the mission. So my friend Jonah was alive in the belly of that fish which supposed to be his Grave (Hell)

Ken4Christ:
My friend, hell is real. Otherwise Jesus will not use an imaginary place to tell the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Even a drunkard will not do that.

You don't make friends by cursing people who disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures.
Lazarus and the rich man never happened it was an illustration directed at the Pharisees and they perfectly grasp the message Jesus passed through that illustration!

Hismasterpiece:
I'm what way does that tell believers to have nothing to do with politics?

Hmmmmmmmm i pray that you know how to meditate thoroughly after reading God's word!

A young Jew (politician) walked up to Christ and asked:
"what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” {Luke 18:18} Jesus reminded this young man what was written in the laws given to Israelites and the young man enthusiastically responded:
“All of these I have kept from youth on" {Luke 18:21} at hearing that Jesus immediately love this young man {Mark 10:21} and said:
“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower" Luke 18:22

Now ask yourself what exactly could have saddened that young man who has kept all the laws of God right from his youth?

Well it's his position in the society as a politician and don't forget that Satan who is the overall ruler of the world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} has given this man so much wealth {Luke 4:5-7} all these are the things Jesus demanded that the young man should do away with if he truly desire the kingdom of God! Luke 18:23

So we don't make decisions for people unless they ask us for help just as the young Jewish politician did, we only use the scriptures to guide interested persons. Now make your own PERSONAL conclusion on what happened between that young Jewish politician and the man we refer to as Lord Jesus.

May you have PEACE!

I'm not a churchgoer, naaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm one of the disciples of the world's most wonderful counselor of all times.
So you will continue to get annoyed over my comments because you have nothing upstairs to prove me wrong! Isaiah 54:17

Davidf555:
Nothing is more funny than you thinking you're making an intelligent statement

Davidf555:
A dog can reply with more intelligence than all your responses so far

Wilgrea7:
Mission failed

Millions are out there WORKING for the God of LOVE, JOY and PEACE. The absence of people who can't establish the same in any other gathering doesn't make what this faithful ones are doing a failure!

Wilgrea7:
When you're done changing the dictionary meaning of the word, you let me know.
Effectiveness means how well something works. I'm not the one who wrote the dictionary.. so please don't carry out your grievances on me. It's not my fault you disagree with reality

In a world where people of all schools of thought failed to find out why they are killing (not just people who are not of their faculty) their own members a group has emerged and erased the use of weapons in the hearts of millions throughout the world just because they used what was written in an old book to teach themselves. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
YES! Effectiveness means how well something WORKS!

According to God's law Israelites mustn't marry people of other nations {Deuteronomy 7:3-4} and according to the first century Christians there shouldn't be any marriage alliance between a Christian and none Christian. 1Corinthians 7:39
WHY such principle?
God wants His children to be happy!