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advocatejare:
I know that there are many other groups with false doctrines and fake prophecies like your JW cult.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that means a person can be sincere but worshiping with a false religious group claiming Christians!

So what are the IDENTIFYING MARKS of a true Christian group since you now agree that there are many other groups with false doctrines and fake prophecies?

Now we are getting somewhere!

ANTIlSLAM:
So speaking in tongues is now foreign language according to your elders in JW's right? you won't sha finish JW with your ignorant

"Speaking in tongues" is what you call it shey?

Well if you want to explain to an interested person when preaching you must say the first century Jewish disciples of Christ borrowed languages they never heard before in order to preach what Jesus taught them and it's God's Holy Spirit that helped them.

That's how to PREACH effectively to make any interested person understand what happened there not some useless, worthless and meaningless gibberish your people are spewing today!

ANTIlSLAM:
So why did you have to borrowed from politicians that came from Europe, did you learnt that from Jesus?

Apostles borrowed foreign languages to preach nah! Act 2:1-4

advocatejare:
Those that don’t use drug are not backing up their belief on twisted Bible verse like your occult society that twists the scriptural verses that forbids drinking of dead animal blood to mean abstaining from blood transfusion thereby sending your members into their early graves!

So you know there are religionists among you who won't even use medicines at all shey?

It's OK!

SharonLoveth:
I've read most of your posts, is it true that you tag catholic missionaries as politicians?

Only POLITICIANS support the use of weapons in settling disputes {Matthew 26:52} so those that came to Africa claiming Christians but failed to erase racism, politics and military services from the hearts of their disciples aren't ministers of Christ but POLITICIANS!

advocatejare:
Fruits of killing their members with twisted scriptures and rolling out false prophecies

Bóyá lo mọ̀!
We use all forms of medicines both Orthodox and tradomedical but as for blood we must abstain totally.
Some of your so called born again don't even use medicines at all and many have died of Ulcer due to unnecessary hunger strike you people call fasting.
You won't talk about that but JWs who stood firmly against what God's word condemned you want to demonize, nah your problem be that.
Building of hospitals and schools is not what Jesus taught his disciples to go out there and do as assignment!

ANTIlSLAM:
Is English your native language? Let's start from there

NO Sir, i borrowed it to communicate with those who speak other languages!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

ANTIlSLAM:
Firstly, you can see now that the three statements are not the same with what I asked you to shown
Secondly, if not for the help of whitemen whom you tagged as politicians from Europe, will you be able to read and write correct and good English?

For your statement, that will be judged by right thinking persons but as for the whitemen they purposely engaged Africans to enslave people not for our good. That's why our people (as in those you refer to as educated) are carrying all the goodies here away to the whiteman's place!
I repeat reading and writing became necessary as we have to deal with our neighbours it supposed to solidify the peaceful bond between us not to enslave our fellowman!

advocatejare:
Holy Spirit is not an author of confusion. Stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit by insinuating that He inspired the false prophecy of your cult. That’s my advice to you.

False prophets that are the one and only group producing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit globally.
Perhaps we need to SEE the products of true prophets Sir! Matthew 7:16-18

ANTIlSLAM:
The question says:
See your answer:
Where is the one that says "You're a disgrace to humanity"
You said;
You suppose responded as the instructions given to you from the question says uncle JW sebi you kuku know say I be Politician and Jesus Christ never go to school but thank God for your life and thank God for the whitemen, the politicians from Europe that brought Western Education you are enjoying till today

You don't know the purpose of EDUCATION!

But i'll tell you!
Reading and writing became necessary as we have to deal with fellow humans like ourselves otherwise we don't need reading or writing at all. So if we now know how to read and write but failed to cohabit peacefully then what is the purpose of such education when the only thing we are good in doing is building destructive weapons to kill one another?

Well EDUCATION is not just about reading and writing but it's the ability to cohabit peacefully with your neighbours that makes education worthwhile Sir!

ANTIlSLAM:
Does that carries the same meaning uncle JW?

Show someone intelligent what i penned down about Jesus' life after all you know that's what happened to him if you believe what is written in the Bible.
Then ask the person if what those people did to Jesus of Nazareth in anyway means he was a disgrace to humanity in the minds of those who treated him that way!

ANTIlSLAM:
Sebi you go school?
Where is the one that says "You're a disgrace to humanity" ?

I attended school in order to grasp speeches and actions that carries the same meaning but not expressed the same way!

advocatejare:
Expectations that was time bound? That was a fake prophecy from liar cult

PROPHECY is something that someone says without earlier predictions of the same event.
God's Kingdom is what they've been talking about. You should be wiser than this!

Jesus' first century followers attached time to God's Kingdom but not a specific date in mind they were EXPECTING Jesus to bring God's Kingdom after his resurrection {Act 1:6} but Jesus told them they should calm down.
That's how all servants of God has been doing for centuries till today!

It's only unbelievers that often mock them as they don't think such a thing makes any sense! 2Peter 3:3-4

But as for faithful servants of God right from the time of Abel till today has been anticipating the salvation of mankind.
So if you're accusing a group doing the same now without considering the WORKS God's Holy Spirit is doing through the effort of this imperfect humans then you're making a big mistake Sir!

ANTIlSLAM:
Who said to Jesus that he is a disgrace to humanity? You don come again lying for your elders in JW abi

Please rephrase these comments:

“He has gone out of his mind” Mark 3:21

“He has a demon and is out of his mind. Why do you listen to him?” John 10:20

‘Look! A man who is a glutton and is given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ Matthew 11:19

The nation expected a warrior king due to the PROPHECIES they've been studying regarding the Christ (Messiah) {Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 2:44} but when Jesus came he was preaching and teaching instead of overthrowing the kings of his time as his people expected, OK they felt perhaps he doesn't want people to say he's a killer so they were prepared to make him King by force but Jesus rejected it! John 6:15

And by the end they got fed up sothey sent thugs to arrest him, slapped him repeatedly, accused, charged arraigned, judged, sentenced and handed him over to be executed, a pagan in the name of "Pontius Pilate" even tried to save him but they prefer a notorious criminal to him!

All these they did to a man who spoke against their system telling them what they're doing is not what asked them to do. What else do you expect them to say to him other than "you are a waste, shame and disgrace to humanity"

Ọmọ you don't have to feel guilty, just repent when you still have time and you will be forgiven by the true God!

advocatejare:
The real Jesus didn’t give fake prophecies

I keep correcting you, it's NOT PROPHECIES but WRONG EXPECTATIONS.
Out of all servants of God only Jesus never had wrong expectations because he is a perfect man.
But as for imperfect humans all of them had wrong expectations including Jesus' disciples who heard him speak about future events! Act 1:6

So you have nothing to say against God's people!

ANTIlSLAM:
MaxInDHouse shey you hear, see your life outside

The same was said to my Master, Lord and King! Mark 3:21 compare to John 10:20

So it's a welcomed development Sir! Matthew 5:11-12

advocatejare:
No I can’t find a better performing cult in fake prophecies and twisting the words of God for their selfishness

Jesus already foresaw this and he told us so we can be prepared for your cheap blackmail:

 “A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

A cult that's erasing politics, racism and military services from the hearts of millions across the globe! Isaiah 2:2-4
If you're saying this due to bitterness of heart it's understandable but beware not to blasphem God's Holy Spirit that can only perform what Isaiah said {Zechariah 4:6} because knowingly speaking against the indisputable proof of the WORKS of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

advocatejare:
What performance does your cult has apart from twisting the scriptures to kill your members and brainwashing you their members that failed prophecies are mere failed expectations?
Expectation that was time bound?
May you find the real Jesus and come out of deception!

Present the WORKS of your real Jesus Sir! James 2:18-26

advocatejare:
That was not an expectation but a time-bound prophecy of what will happen in the future that your cult rolled out and the specific time it will happen. But you’re here trying to defend nonsense:

“1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions". Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy". The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing”.

Does this look like an expectation to you?

John the baptist taught his disciples so many things but when the light came {Proverbs 4:18} John's teachings were updated! Act 18:24-26


Updates is what God does when His servants had wrong expectations not condemn their fine WORKS. That's why you can't find any other group performing like Jehovah's Witnesses. You can continue agitating profusely over their wrong expectations but by their fine WORKS God has vindicated them! James 2:18-26

advocatejare:
Your cult gave a time-specific prophecy 1918 and 1920 which are over a 100 years now and yet you’re saying that the vision is for an appointed time? The appointed time was clearly stated in the fake prophecy, your cult is like that of Allah, the al-Makireena the best of the deceivers, Satan the father of all lies who was a liar from the beginning!

They're doing the perfect job of gathering millions and erasing politics, racism and military services from their hearts! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

That's the job assigned to God's people but as for their errors the Almighty God says He will not even look at it as long as they're doing what they're assigned to do! Psalms 103:12-14

So you can continue agitating Sir God almighty has approved their WORKS that's why you can't find a better performing group than them!

advocatejare:
Stop the epistles and answer a simple and direct question.
You wrote that:
“what we're saying here is that building hospitals and schools isn't the work Jesus assigned his disciples”

Now I’m asking you that is rolling out fake prophecies and predictions the work Jesus assigned his disciples?

Sincere individuals will gain insight but you can continue agitating if that's what you choose to do. False expectations due to anxiety totally differs from PROPHECIES. People contemplating on what God's word says about the kingdom aren't prophesying rather they're eagerly anticipating their salvation just as faithful servants of God has been doing from time immemorial!

May you have PEACE!

vybzkartel:
JWs lie that , in the beginning, God created Jesus and Jesus created all other things

But see how Job exposes this deceit by the watchtower organization:

Job 9:8
He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;

He Alone
He Alone
He Alone

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning WITH God. John 1:1

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him! Proverbs 8:30

According to Genesis 1 one person was issuing orders while another was acting on the orders {Genesis 1:3} the one issuing orders kept inspecting the job to see that it's well done! Genesis 1:4

Though a critic may still argue that it's just one person that's there but verse 26 cleared out doubt when the one issuing the orders said:

"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Genesis 1:26

So when God said He ALONE did something it simply means all the ideas came from Him not that there was nobody working beside Him {Proverbs 8:22-30} the one working beside God is called the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15} of coursehe can't be the FIRSTBORN if he's not part of CREATION!

Lighthouse50:
Attacking any religious sect seems childish to me. If you think they are wrong in their opinion, Simply correct it. so whats your answer to where JESUS Came from? What solution do you have to their wrong assertion (if wrong)?

There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet members of all these different sects clearly see just one group as if they're standing on another ground! Matthew 5:13-16

Why do you think the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES always comes to mind when talking about TEACHINGS?

Well it's because that's the one and only group whose teachings are strongly upheld by their members and they're acting on it which makes them have the same line of thought globally as if they're one family {John 17:20-23} and throughout the world people can testify that members of this group truly have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} even though all others (despite the fact that there's no agreement on doctrines) hated this group with passion! John 15:17-19

So if anyone wants to learn we are ready to TEACH him but if he feels we are wrong then let him go out there and unite all the 41,000 different sects claiming denominations and make them teach the same thing, in the absence of that it simply means such a person is deceiving himself after seeing the one and only group standing on mount Zion, of course all eyes can see it even though they're all contradicting themselves they can all see the group having a UNIQUE TEACHING! Matthew 5:14

advocatejare:
So is rolling out false prophecies Christ like?

There is a difference between the title "CHRIST" and "CHRISTLIKE"
Christ is a perfect being whereas Christlike humans are imperfect.
So while both may be eagerly anticipating the salvation of mankind Christ will speak with greatest caution because his father is the only one who knows everything {Matthew 24:36} but the Christlike due to anxiety speaks as if Christ knows it all! John 21:17b

That's why faithful servants of God from time to time keep anticipating the salvation of mankind {Act 1:6} neither Jehovah or Jesus condemns these faithful ones for their anxiety because they both perfectly understood what it will mean for them!

So thinking that servants of God who are eagerly anticipating salvation are false prophets due to their anxiety sounds funny to me. John the baptist who gathered disciples and taught them many things also had wrong expectations of what will happen. For instance after he had baptized Jesus, saw God's Holy Spirit landing like a dove on Jesus' head and hearing God's voice John concluded that God's kingdom is here already so he began directing his disciples to follow Jesus for updates about God's Kingdom {John 1:29, 36-36} he explained to his disciples that Jesus is the person they're all expecting! John 3:25-30

But due to anxiety John's expectations was wrong! He began preaching fearlessly after his experience with Jesus, seeing the Holy Spirit and hearing God's voice to the extent that he spoke against king Herod Antipas who snatched his brother's wife {Matthew 14:3-4} John was arrested and imprisoned, he thought Jesus as the expected Messiah will come and deliver him waited but Jesus didn't come to rescue him so listen to what John sent his own disciples to ask Jesus:

“Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

When Jesus heard this he realized that John has had wrong expectations so he sent John's disciples back saying:

“Go and report to John what you are hearing and seeing: The blind are now seeing and the lame are walking, the lepers are being cleansed and the deaf are hearing, the dead are being raised up and the poor are being told the good news. Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me" Matthew 11:4-6

Let's meditate on this conversation, don't you think John must have taught his disciples so many things about the Christ that's not accurate? Surely that must have been the case!

But what did Jesus have to say about this faithful servant of God whose anxiety led him to wrong expectations?
Jesus has this to say about John the baptist:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. For all, the Prophets and the Law, prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he is ‘E·liʹjah who is to come.’ Let the one who has ears listen" Matthew 11:11-15

According to Jesus Christ John the baptist was the greatest man who ever lived before then, and do you notice that Jesus said John is the expected Elijah God promised the Jews?
Well the expected Elijah had wrong expectations o but Jesus never condemned him rather Jesus spoke highly of this faithful servant of God after sending messengers to readjust his views.

So if you're dancing around due to the wrong expectations of God's modern day servants thinking you have something worthwhile against them then you've been thoroughly deceived Sir because God's servants from time immemorial do have wrong expectations at times but that doesn't mean God will no longer use them to achieve His purposes.
That's you can't find any group practicing what Jesus taught apart from this organization that you're trying to demonize simply because they had wrong expectations just like all faithful servants of old!

Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

Well he has given you the key to IDENTIFY them in the midst of countless sects claiming they belong to God. Jesus said:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

If you're thinking wrong expectations is an evil fruit then remember all servants of God who has had wrong expectations in the past.
The fruit is what God said at Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated at Micah 4:1-3, any organization that has successfully achieved that is no doubt having the backing of God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 7:17-18

As for wrong expectations well the true God knew His worshipers will surely have it due to anxiety that's why He has this to tell them:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in EXPECTATION of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! Habakkuk 2:3

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Mikee19:
Janosky see this thing isn't hard. If Jesus was truly doing what you ppl say he was doing, then it won't be difficult to see him EACH DAY saying "Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah" every time so as to make that name known to his disciples. We won't have to be depending on quoted scripture only. Don't u think he will like to use the name all the time every chance he got? Like every time o! Every second of everyday! That we don't see this happening should prove it enough to you that you're wrong! Not even ONCE! Every time quoted scripture that the translators put "Jehovah" inside! That doesn't even appear in the original manuscript. Very very weak argument

The Jewish Rabbis decided to stop using God's personal name centuries before Jesus Christ but by the time Jesus walked the earth most Jews still know the name that's why Jesus only mention it in few instances since his listeners knows the name of their God:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Mark 12:29 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4

But most translators erroneous substitute the divine name with the title "LORD" that's why you will see verses like Psalms 23:1 say:

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms 23:1

If the divine name is restored back to it's place this is what David said:

Jehovah is my Shepherd. I will lack nothing.

Those translators had serious issue when under inspiration David later talked about what will happen in heaven when the Messiah (Christ) complete his earthly mission {John 19:30} and return to heaven.
David said:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet" Psalms 110:1

Let's read the same verse in most versions that the divine name has been removed:

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1

Can the upper or lower case be noticed in the reading if you're preaching to someone who feel like giving you a audience? The answer is NO!

Jokerman:
Jesus Is called "Emmanu-el".... God is with us.

Michael is "who is like unto God".

These JW people should know that the Lord Jesus is Lord over all things, angels, spirits, principalities etc... Only, the Father is greater.

All Jewish names or titles has meaning:

Ehohim is a title and short form (El) means "God"

JEHOVAH is a name short form (Jah) means "He causes to become"

Emmanuel is a name means "with us is God"

Jesus is a name means "Jehovah is Salvation"

But it's when Michael was still in heaven with other angels that he bears the name "Michael" {Daniel 12:1-3} his name became "Jesus" when he was transformed into a human, it was his performance that signifies the name "Emmanuel" because with his presence among the Jews they felt God's presence in their midst.
Other titles given to this child:
Wonderful Counselor: one whose counsel is best throughout the history of mankind even greater than Solomon who was known to be the wisest of all men.

Mighty God: one who is mighty like a God.

Everlasting Father: one who replaces Adam our dead father.

Prince of Peace: one who will restore peace on the earth permanently.

Jokerman:
There are other commanding angels.

Michael
Raphael
Gabriel
Uriel etc

There are many angels who serves a Princes in the heavenly realms and Michael is the topmost. Satan must be one of them because he also control a group of angels but Raphael and Uriel aren't mentioned in God's word so they are demons!

ANTIlSLAM:
Which truth is speaking here since 1918 and 1920 about your failed prophecies

I believe you're brutal than your friend so the ball is in your court.

Open a thread on FAILED PROPHECIES and tag me let's see who has been deceived between us regarding this false prophecy issue!

advocatejare:
You responded to the first failed prophecy with another lie that rapture has taken place and that peoples’ spirit resurrected in 1914. You didn’t complain that time that I should create another thread. Why not respond to this one here too? Oniro

I know you're really bitter inside as you're desperate to silence me with another topic that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here!

The truth of the matter is that they never prophesied as critics are telling you but then you need to calm down and reason well otherwise you'll continue agitating profusely over false accusations.
That's another topic which has nothing to do with this one, what we're saying here is that building hospitals and schools isn't the work Jesus assigned his disciples.
So if you want to discuss on the case of God's people then open another thread and tag me let's see who has been deceived between you and i, i'm sure you're not afraid of been silenced with hard facts as i've done on this thread! Isaiah 54:17

Wilgrea7:
I like your analogy of how knowledge can be passed down through generations, and how generations can either add, or modify the knowledge as they advance. Do you then agree that whatever book or means of recording knowledge we have now should be subject to change, as we advance?

That is, do you agree that whatever thing you regard as a guide book, should be subject to being edited and modified to reflect our growth as a specie?

Of course when the need arises!

But first of all we have to consider if there's any reason for updates since we only need such editing or modifying for our growth as a spicie!

reallifegospel:
@MaxinDHouse - The Sleep talked about in the message was well interpreted by the Minister above; did you click to watch the video before posting a comment??

NO!