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Maynman:
Only fallen watchers of yaldaboath can relate.
2 Corinthians 10:12
We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

Chai! So i can also perform miracles!

Wow! How come you're quoting the Bible and not just the Bible but the Christian Scriptures?

Thanks to the true God JEHOVAH!

Emusan:
Lying liar
You don't need to tell me oga Ade
Of course if isn't non-literal, it will personification or symbolic
But He said heavens and earth will be dissolved with intense heat
Yet you couldn't highlight where the word "ungodly people" appear in that chapter
This is verse 24 "I said: “O my God,
Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations."
Heavens and earth THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS or Jehovah years span THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS?
Besides, we are the last generations on this planet.
The spirit in you actually working fine

Well my God said we will build houses on this planet and have children on this planet {Isaiah 65:21-23} and He will bless this planet for us! Psalms 67:6-7

What says your pastor?

Maynman:
How can fallen watchers relate with man.

It's none-JWs that can't relate humanely with themselves but as for God's people over 8,000,000 relate like brothers and sisters {Matthew 12:46-50} having the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10
It's just a pity that you're after me instead of noticing how scattered none-JWs including you have become as not even two houses (clans) throughout the world agreed on anything.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses people from different races throughout the earth relates as if we're from the same father and mother! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9

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i see. i live in a different kingdom evidently.

No wonder we can't relate Wella Wella!

Emusan:
I know it will get to this
Which supported my initial point that you just cherrypick that verse 7
Glory be to God, and I never deny that but dontr forget your usual rant, comparing scripture with scripture
Why will God inspire Peter to write in a plain language that both heavens and earth were RESERVED for FIRE? Even went ahead to say clearly that the ELEMENTS will dissolve with intense heat.
If you yourself NOTE thee highlighted we won't come to this stage.
Lemme separate the highlighted for you
1. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist ARE RESERVED FOR FIRE
2. and are being kept until the day of judgment
3. and of destruction of the UNGODLY PEOPLE"
So think about your own highlight first.
Sure that's why none of the scripture you quoted goes against what God revealed in that 2 Peter 3 and Revelation.
That should be directed to you.
That's cherrpicking
The scripture can never be broken don't forget!
Psalm 102 which was quoted by the author of Hebrew chapter 1 says 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.i 26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. 27 But you are the same, and your years will never end."
So from Old Testament to the New Testament God has already revealed the end of the heavens and earth.

The fire was mentioned regarding the heavens so if you're interested in knowing what the heavens there means we will teach you but if you think it's just literal heaven and earth then keep your opinion because my God reserved the heavens for His own glory while the earth is what He gave to humans! Psalms 115:16

God's word found @ Psalms 102 is still referring to UNGODLY PEOPLE not the planet!

Verse 24 says "THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS" meaning the inhabitants of the planet!

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Do you people now believe in speaking in tongues in the sad hallway of Jwickedness? Speak English my friend, let me give you your needed lashes.

Sorry i forgot you're a misinformed Church boy claiming born again!
It's a warri boy song that reigned a decade ago throughout West Africa!

Level Sample ~ Ekwe!

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E pain the Jwickedness robot.

E dey pain me o ~ Gangan o!
Oga tunna e ~ Gangan o!
E dey paini welli welli o ~ Gangan o.
Gangan o! Gangan o!! Gangan o!!!

Emusan:
Here it is from your fraudulent NWT
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the UNGODLY PEOPLE...10 But Jehovah’s* day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind* the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell. 2 Peter 3:7-13

That's nice which means 2 Peter 3 is from the Devil

You don't need quoting all the letters because the understanding is of the spirit not in the letters! 2Corinthians 3:6

First of all note the highlighted alone, then meditate thoroughly on what other scriptures says so you can get the accurate knowledge of what you're reading! Proverbs 2:1-5

Unless you think God is contradicting Himself but if not then there will always be something is in each verse you're quoting that will help you get the sense of that scripture!

Emusan:
You have started your mumbo jumbo, nothing in your post addresses my point
The fact is that from the scripture above heavens and earth will be dissolved with intense heat and a new heavens and new Earth was promised.

MaxInDHouse:
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done."As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease." Genesis 8:21-22


He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever. Psalms 78:69

He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever. Psalms 104:5

Your faithfulness is through all generations. You have firmly established the earth, so that it continues to stand. Psalms 119:90

And from all the scriptures i quoted the earth will stand gìdìgbà and nothing will move or shake it forever!

Maynman:
Fallen watcher of yaldaboath

No wahala, i like your drift:
Even though you never acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah (Christ) but your enemy's enemy has automatically become your friend!

cornelboy:
Did God called call everyone god or some certain people?
I'm done with you jàre.

Actually the gods the psalmist was referring to aren't all humans but those following the part of Adam and Eve.
Remember they chose to become gods in opposition to the true God, which means they will be the ones setting standards for other humans instead of relying on what the true God says! Genesis 3:4-5

Now let's read that passage again but this time study it diligently and meditate thoroughly!

“I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. But you will die just as men do; And like any other prince you will fall! Psalms 82:6-7

Do you notice that God's word say these gods will die like men do?
Do you also notice that God likened them to princes as in rulers?

Well they're not just any kind of humans but politicians who are struggling to gain power so they can become movers and shakers within the human society! Read Genesis 3:4-5 compare to Daniel 2:44

Maynman:
Of course, the “Jesus” of yaldaboath is different from Christ. Your “jesus” is among the fallen watchers at the tower.

This is becoming interesting!
Have you now acknowledged anyone as Christ?

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What i quoted or what i asked? Have your answers come in or you're still stumped?

Who cares?

cornelboy:
What about those of us that are not born again?

Jesus Christ and his BORN AGAIN brothers are working tirelessly now to prepare our minds ready so that we're not novice to all these things. Luke 21:36
During Christ's 1,000 years reign we will be trained to become perfect humans then Christ's sacrifice won't cover anyone again each person will stand based on what he turned out to be after the millennium reign of Christ, that's why the Bible says all those who never partake in the first resurrection which is of the Born Again will be judged according to their actions by then, some names will be written in the book of life permanently while those whose names are missing will be destroyed! Revelations 20:11-15
Satan knew that it's only one organization that can pass this life saving information, himself and his demons are constantly paying rapt attention to whatever the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses say {1Peter 1:12} that's why all their worshipers are complaining about what JW organization say, just think for a moment and ask:
Why is it that all these people from different religions are paying attention to whatever one religion say?
Well it's the demons they're worshiping that are directing them to listen always to whatever JWs say about the future as if they have nothing to say about it! 1Peter 1:12

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Jesus Christ can keep Himself, He doesn't need me to keep Him. He keeps me instead. Like i said, wait patiently for your superiors, this is good advice.

I keep my own Jesus in my heart that's why i asked you for the meaning of what you're quoting so if you can't explain then that means your Jesus differs from mine!

cornelboy:
You really need a home study with the JWs.
The old covenant and it laws was for only Israel and those that abide by it will be/are saved.

All those that lived by the old covenant are not saved permanently, their everlasting life still depends on what they turn out to become at the end of Christ's 1,000 years reign. Revelations 20:1-3
Only the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ are saved permanently as they will be taken away to heaven where Satan and the result of his release from the Abyss can't affect them! Revelations 20:4-6
That's why Jesus could say all those that lived before John the baptist are not as great as those who will partake in the first resurrection because death is still close to them! Matthew 11:11

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i didn't think about my importance, i don't have to. You are irrelevant to my importance. Evidently you don't have anything sensible to say. Wait patiently for answers from your superiors and find something useful to do in the meanwhile.

Good!
So keep your Jesus while i keep mine!

cornelboy:
If God created the universe, that means he exist. Does he have to be created before he exist? Without the true God who is the source of all life, you wouldn't even be here displaying your foolishness. If you don't believe in creation, at least present a reasonable theory with evidence not big bang.

He's a staunch atheist, you still need some training to be competent enough to silence him. His type don't need scriptures to make him think {Matthew 7:6} we pay his type in their own coin.
By the time a true baptized Christian chat with him he will realize that all his knowledge can't match that of a true Christian! Isaiah 54:17
Then you will see him quoting the same Bible that he's rejecting now!

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Get answers from your superiors on time. This delay tactics is boring.

And what makes you think you're that important to me?

Emusan:
So your NEW LIGHT claim is false no wonder you couldn't provide your organization latest new light on Armageddon
No one! Except those that went into the ark with Noah. You can prove me wrong by providing the scripture where any creature was said to survive outside the one in the ark
No living creatures survived the devastating fire of Sodom and Gomorrah which Jesus even said their judgement is still BETTER OFF compare to the judgement day that is still coming.



No! That's not what the scripture says. I know you just cherrypick that verse 7 but had it been you read everything on that chapter, you'd have seen the clear picture from God who can't lie.
Here it is from your fraudulent NWT
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people...10 But Jehovah’s* day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind* the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
This scripture is so rich that God isn't a liar like you people want it to be and self explanatory unless one decided to twist it because.
1. The very elements that made up the earth were clearly mentioned and said to be INTENSIVELY HOT AND dissolved
2. It was clearly stated also that "through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat!"
3. That's why the writer went further to say, heavens and earth that exist were RESERVED FOR FIRE.
4. The inspired writer finally says there are NEW HEAVENS and NEW EARTH.
When the Noah's world was destroyed with water, Bible never talks about NEW EARTH but this one because the destruction will be so great that all Earth's elements will melt in the INTENSE HEAT definitely nothing will remain on earth not even earth itself and that's why God made provision for another New Earth and Heavens.

In a nutshell you can't remember any creature that lived before Noah but never existed after the flood, shey?
Well that's exactly what God will do, if 9,000,000,000,000,000 creatures are destroyed what matters to our God is for a pair of each specie to continue existing on this planet after all He created just a pair of all the creatures in the beginning.
It's only humans that matters most to him because we were created in His image!

God created the earth for a purpose but after the rebellion in the garden of Eden trouble entered into the world.
God has demonstrated time and time again that He has the power to remove the rebels and preserve the lives of obedient mankind.
So it's the world of rebellious humans that's going to be destroyed while those doing God's will remains on this planet forever! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7; Proverbs 2:20-22; Matthew 5:5

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In other words, you don't believe Him. Do you?

What do you think he meant!

Beautygoddesss:
Aa so do u say that we should not follow the 10 commandments?? Also there are laws in d old testament that jesus also said we should eg-tithes

There's nothing that concerns a Christian with any laws God gave the Israelites whether 10, 50 or 1,000.
Christians are to focus on imitating a perfect model who is the image of God: Jesus Christ!
Of course the Israelites needed those laws to help them cope with standards and principles which the Christ will establish, that's why God gave them those laws and warned them never to rely so much on those laws and start arguing with the perfect model He (God) will send to them! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The laws God gave the Israelites could be likened to a mirror through which you can see how dirty or unkept you look but Jesus is like the cleanser in whose office there's a perfect camera that can capture all your body parts.

So if someone knew Jesus Christ and starts going back to the laws it's like you have the best cleanser with his camera but still insisting on checking the old mirror to verify your outfit. Galatians 3:19-25
By so doing you won't be able to move because you will continue doubting whether you're OK or not. That's why there are several sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and none of them is doing the lord's job apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

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As usual, all you ended up saying was that you have teachers and teaching. Nothing to show concretely that the lake of fire is destruction.
Jesus Christ said those that believe Him will never die, do you believe this?

What do you think he meant?

Emusan:
You can continue to hide under NEW LIGHT but that isn't your organization position.
If you disagree, give me the link to your latest organization position on how Armageddon will be.
My point on the Noah case is to show you that God destroyed ALL LIVING CREATURES through water
On Sodom and Gomorrah, everything including animals, plants, human and building were destroyed.
So at Armageddon everything will be destroyed, that's why Jesus said "I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day." Matt 10:15
So if nothing survived after Jehovah rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah and Jesus said on judgement day, Sodom and Gomorrah will be BETTER OFF that such a city....what does that mean?

Do you know any creature that didn't survive the destruction of Noah's generation or Sodom and Gomorrah?
So the earth and every other living thing on it will continue to exist except UNGODLY PEOPLE! 2Peter 3:7

Emusan:
I can see how you stylishly boycotted some of my points.
But your organization picture always shows armor thanks and fire from heavens
In fact, your organization says Armageddon war can be in form of earthquake, massive flood e.t.c but here you are talking another thing.
Irrelevant just mumbo jumbo
Always apply sense!
Didn't Noah and his family save? Yet Genesis still recorded that ALL LIVING CREATURES WERE DESTROYED.
So the point is, when Lot and his family left Sodom and Gomorrah, was anything inside survived?
Nobody asked you this Mr.
LDid anything survive inside Sodom and Gomorrah after Jehovah rained fire down.
I know that Mr
Including all the animals, grass, and plants in Sodom and Gomorrah
Isn't it?

I have told you that we have the new light so you can't see such pictures in our latest books because we now understood that it's spiritual not physical.
As for either Noah or Sodom the earth has remained till today and so shall it remain forever.
That's what God promised!

Dreamswayne:
So, literally every law given to Moses was for the descendants of Abraham? Even Exodus 20?
Wonderful...

That's the absolute TRUTH!
God specifically gave those laws to those people living within that geographical location known as Israel not people living elsewhere. Exodus 19:5
That's why any Israelites can't find it reasonable to worship the same God in a strange land! Psalms 137:4

Jesus is the connection between all people and that same God {Romans 10:2-4} so all those with Jesus don't have any business with the laws given to the nation of Israel, what we need is Jesus, just concentrate on his words, thoughts and actions and you will gain everlasting life.
Meanwhile all those that practiced everything in those laws are not saved yet until they accept to become Jesus' disciples! Luke 18:18-23

Oyedepo is just contradicting himself that's all.

He's been interfering in the political affairs so if he knows better there's no reason why he shouldn't take up the challenge but he's saying this to ridicule his colleague (Bakare) who wants to become the president of Nigeria.

No member of Jehovah's Witnesses will accept becoming a politician talkless contesting for presidency!

He is Holy (pure at heart) there's no evil in Him so it's either His intelligent creatures support His good plans and continue living or His plans continues when all opposers are no more!

What did your pastor say?
If your church condemns it then it's either you abide by the rule or change your church, there's no other option!

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What is this? Is this how you people do Bible study? Quote a verse in several translations then say Surely + your thoughts = fact.
Where and how does this Lake of fire symbolize destruction or like you were actually taught annihilation?

All the versions agreed that LAKE of FIRE simply means SECOND DEATH.

We all know that death is the opposite of Life and according to God's word there is going to be a resurrection after the FIRST DEATH so the SECOND DEATH means no resurrection for all those affected by the SECOND DEATH.

If both of us never attended any RELIGION and we read the Bible surely we will need someone to TEACH us what all these things means.
Therefore if a teacher says it means life at some place in excruciating pains and another teacher says it means no resurrection surely each of us will have to reason well before accepting any of the two options.
So if you've accepted that people (wicked) will continue living in a place after death suffering but i accepted that wicked people will no longer be alive forever, both are TEACHINGS that must be considered through the results in the gathering of those that accepted it! Matthew 7:16-18

I have my teachers you have your teachers!