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Steep:
thanks for your politeness.

Steep:
You are the one to learn and pull yourself out Jehovah Witnesses error.
When does I was 'shapen in iniquity' and 'conceived in sin' mean He committed any sin?

David was speaking of the circumstances surrounding his birth not that he commit any sin neither a baby or a child that has not gotten to the age of acountablitity

thankgod460:
So Holy spirit reveals this to you, how I wish you can explain better how he show you rather than quoting verses. Thanks.

Steep:
In summary, you do not know.
If you do not know how a baby in his mother womb can commit sin and what sin he commit then how do you now say a baby commit sin.
David never said he committed any sin in his mother's womb go and read again from the right translation kjv.

thankgod460:
God is Almighty and he does things as he pleases him and no one can question him. In as much that you can't tell me the reason why you are not kill when they gave birth to you, you have no business in researching things you know is more spiritual than physical.

thankgod460:
He is not arrogant, he need more clarity and the response given is not convincing enough. The fact remains that we wanted to give answers to things that are beyond human reasoning. Kindly say I don't know than quoting verses that are not relevant to the question.

cornelboy:
Mr man na by force?
Stick to your boolshits na.
We JWs 100% believe in the Bible. We also believe God exists and He created the universe.
Without the Bible or GOD there wouldn't be anything like morals today

AdventHero:
When the heart is filled with unbelief, it often disguises its doubt by presenting it as a "logical" contest of truth. For such people, what evidence do they have to contest it?

oteneaaron:
Not feeling boxed in a corner are you?
Remember this research is not for me.
You are doing this for your ignorant self.
Unless this means you are too scared to take time off Nairaland to do some actual freaking research.
It is now clear to everyone on this thread that you @MaxinDhouse has called doing a honest research of the historicity of your religion, a waste of time.
How else will people understand the truth about their religion or any endeavor in life if they do not do research?
I even made it easy for you and listed just three books that you can start with.
What do you stand to lose?
I didn't write these books, world-renowned religious historians did.
These are men who have spent their whole lives studying religion (especially Christianity).
Tom Harpur who wrote the book - The Pagan Christ, is a still an active Jesuit priest. **
**Please note - -
I made an error above - - Tom Hapur was actually a former Anglican Priest.
He is also a Rhodes Scholar and a Professor of Greek and New Testament at the University of Toronto.
These writers have had access to ancient manuscripts of scriptures that many of us will only dream of ever reading.
But they have done the grunt of the work, all we have to do is read, study and hear their own side of this argument -
Is the life and story of Jesus in the Bible unique to only Christianity, or is his story an exact copy of many other similar "Christo Messiah" figures all through different cultures of antiquity?
How will you understand or answer this question if you do not do this research for yourself?
How do you a grown as-s man, at your age, after everything you have seen in this life, be expecting another man to do research for you?
This is a favor you must do for YOURSELF.
I repeat - download those books, take a break off Nairaland, sit your old as-s down, and study!!
Are you ready to take up this challenge?

MindHacker9000:
You are worse than an atheist, because you teaching FAKE gospels which GOD did not write, on like the Ten Commandments GOD gave to Moses and also made him to write it too, this was hundreds of years before your FAKE gospels and your Massiah though He could walk on water, turn water to wine, feed 5000 people, see the past and the future and more but could not write a simple book of what He was teaching, shows that you are not yet ready to come out of your slumber.

oteneaaron:
Chale,

He knows not the truth, but only the LIES he has been consistently indoctrinated to believe.

He is just a little old man who is scared of doing research about the true origins of his religion.

He prefers the trickles of information is been spoon fed by the leaders of his cult cum religion.

Until the day he will be bold enough to get his hands dirty and do this research for himself, he will keep running around in circles, dancing naked on the streets of Nairaland showcasing his deep level of indoctrination and unattractive ignorance.

@MaxinDhouse are you ready to take up the challenge??

Steep:
What sin did you commit in your mother's womb

EyeHateGod:
Religious people don't understand the amount of hate in their heart. That's one reason you should embrace Atheism.

MindHacker9000:
I have a feeling the guy knows the truth but he does not want to let his gullible followers go. Only GOD can set his gullible followers free.

oteneaaron:
Lol.
This is not about Me.
You are doing this research for yourself.
So are you calling doing actual research a waste of time?
This is interesting.
Now everyone can see you for what you truly are.
I ask again, what you sacred of?

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha
I am enjoying BENEFITS that are way beyond your wildest imaginations.

Steep:
So a baby had sinned how? What law has a baby broken?

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Why are you dodging my challenge?
I am not arguing with you.
The other day you called yourself an intellectual.
Plus you are even a retired military intelligence officer.
Research should be fun for you!
What are you scared of?
I have made it very easy for you - download those books, take a break off Nairaland, sit your old as-s down and study!!
Are you willing to take the challenege?

oteneaaron:
You are very welcome!

oteneaaron:
So are you actually a scared little ignorant old man who will NOT do simple research?
I have made it very easy for you.
Just download and read.
Or do you want me to give you the download link?
I am taking my challenge to you.
What are you scared of?

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
But it still doesn't change that fact that your are mentally imprisoned in a high controlled cult - captive of a concept.

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahaha
Blackmail will not work this time around.
Are you willing to take up the challenge to take some time off Nairaland, to download those books I mentioned and actually do this research for real?
What do you stand to lose?
Remember, only two things will happen.
Our are you just a scared little ignorant old man who cannot take a few hours off Nairaland to actually sit his as-s down and read a book that explicitly talks about the history of the religion he professes?
Are you willing to take up the challenge?

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha
I am enjoying benefits that are way beyond your wildest imaginations.

oteneaaron:
But if you go down history's lane you will find out that Jesus of the bible in reality, is not really as unique as we were meant to believe.

Go and do your research about other "Christo Messiah" figures from many cultures of antiquity that are way older than Jesus and Christianity for example, Horus, Dionysus, Zoroaster, and Mithras (you can start from these ones)...

You will find out that the birth, life and story of a Jesus, is an exact copy of these older "Christos Messiah" figures from antiquity.

To help in your research, download and study these books - -

1. Who is this King of Glory? By Alvin Boyd Khun

2. Misqoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman

3. The Pagan Christ by Tom Hapur

Do yourself a favor, take sometime and read these books written by world-renowned religious historians.

Remember that when you do research, you are doing it for yourself, and not for anybody else.

We all owe it to ourselves to ask questions and do research to find out why we are doing exactly what we are doing.

We must question everything we have been led to believe.

There is no need to be scared of what you will find out during and after your research, because there are only TWO possibilities -

1. It is either you realize that all you have been taught to believe all your life has been a big fat lie, or

2. The information you will garner from this research, will make your faith as a Christian and belief in your God even firmly rooted.

Are you willing to take this challenge?

Download the three books I mentioned above, study it and if you want, you can create a thread to either support or dispute your findings from any of these books.

Are willing to take up this challenge??

oteneaaron:
In this little write-up, these terms would have their meaning in Context as follows:

GOD-- Signifies the "supreme being" from any religion ( Yahweh, Allah, Buhdda, Sango, Krishna, Oduduwa, Owoicho........etc)

MAN-- Signifies You and I ; all humans existing and non-existing(HUMANITY as a whole)

RELIGION-- signifies all of the worlds religion (after-all they are all products of the same factory)



WHO CREATED GOD??

Its no wonder that when you ask he above question to any religious minded person and you're gonna get differing answers.

Ask any creationist : "What is the proof that Man was created ? " , "how do we know that life and all there is had a designer?"

And we receive this reply that -- Man and all there is are intelligent creatures ; the human brain, the universe in general attest to the fact that everything was created by a Supreme Being...

*Please note the argument - an intelligent creation must have an intelligent designer-

So here is the correlation, If you seriously believe that "nothing came from nothing" and there has to be an explanation for our "intelligence",
then GOD must have been created too!!!

WHY?

"GOD" exists and he is very ( if not too Intelligent---common, he's GOD!!).....so what is the explanation for his Intelligence??

If the world as we know it attests to fact of the existence of a creator, then that creator must have been created because HE(GOD) bears the same (proof of an Intelligent creator) Qualities.

Now who created GOD??


Sadly, the answer has been right in Front of Us all this time........

WE created GOD!! You and I , MAN.....

When we were perplexed as to how the universe was sparse and awe-inspiring, we had to give credit to -someone- so we invented GOD

When were Scared because we felt or experience disappointment, death, sickness..etc, we needed Solace and we created GOD to blame and to beg for assistance

When we felt the need to Control our fellow MAN, we created GOD and religion to keep humans in check , after-all they must all answer to our creation -GOD-

GET IT RIGHT...

We created GOD


Now, our creation of GOD may have been a necessary evil, and MAN is growing up....the time has come for us to let go of Childish things!!

cornelboy:
Joel 2:28-32
28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh (gentiles included), And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. 29 And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. 30 And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, Blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

oteneaaron:
If everybody in the world had same line of thought, wouldn't that make everyone a zombie?
Life thrives in variety.
It is only a cult that forces its members to think in only one single way, and when a member decides to question a teaching or the integrity of the teacher, they get blackmailed and booted out.
So you call the book of Enoch an "uninspired book", as JW you should know or must have heard of the council of Nicea.
How do you think the little 66 books in the Bible you hold in your hand today were compiled?
There are soo many books that have been written that are way older than the Bible by thousands of years.
Even the Bible itself makes reference to many other books, for example - the book of Jasher, the book of the wars of Jehovah, etc.
The 66 books in the Bible are only "canonical" because that is what the Catholic Church approved of...
I really don't know what you are scared of, try to do yourself a favor and research how the Bible in your hand came about.
Or you think it fell from heaven?
Do your research!

cornelboy:
No mind am jàre.
Jesus said if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he's already committed adultery with her.
Pagans fit set that standard

MindHacker9000:
Na real wah for you o! Trying to deviate again. This is about whether your New Testament Messiah is FAKE or not so why do you want to put your New Testament Messiah aside.

I will put this to you again:
You are the one that needs to reason here that if your man made Messiah could not keep His promise to return immediately after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and his own people were slaughtered by the Romans and others turned to slaves does that not tell you such a Messiah is FAKE.

Read this again “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Matthew 24:22

cornelboy:
You think humans full of evil could fabricate laws about loving God, neighbors and enemies? That version of the Torah you quoted, where did you get it? Since you said Rome took and kept it?

cornelboy:
Lol where did you get this version from?

LordReed:
LoL! Of course there is a difference, for 1 I ain't in a cult.