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joyandfaith:
Juju is real but nothing supernatural about it. It is blend of tricks, herbs/drugs and occultism.
Juju is an unexplained science based on current understanding because its practitioners keep its methodologies as ancient secrets.

These guys are looking for someone that will take them to where juju is working for real so they can do money rituals. They know juju is real!

LordReed:
Please show where I demanded I must see god. You've started with your daydreams again.

BTW moving everywhere I like is not indication I trust oxygen, stop trying to hard to make a point that doesn't even rhyme.

Ògbéni you can deceive yourself but not right thinking persons. if you don't have anything to do with seeing before believing then what makes you an atheist?

LordReed:
Because the spirits aren't available to respond for themselves. Is that not why you are umbilically linked to your organisation? Your organisation listens to the spirits then tells you what the spirits say.

MindHacker9000:
I base my comments on historical facts and not opinion like you do. And here is my full comment below:

You will only find the churches today in the New Testament that was written by the Romans after they conquered Jerusalem and took the original Old Testament scrolls to Rome in 70 AD where they studied it and then wrote the New Testament to control the minds of the people till today.

It is only some of the the Old Testament that holds the true words of GOD and not the New Testament written by the Romans.

In this free information age where there is so much priceless free historical information with evidence on YouTube to prove that JESUS and the New Testament were a creation of the Romans then surely Ignorance Is A Choice Today

When you read about things that happened in your absence you need to apply wisdom otherwise you will buy any information even stupid fabrications.
You should use your own brain to discern what people tell you or informations you read.
What logical reasoning is there for a nation like Rome to build a religion in the name of one of the people they conquered and destroyed their city?
It doesn't go along with logical reasoning my friend so what you heard is not historical fact but fabricated lie to block your heart from knowing the truth! John 8:32

The truth of this is that most Nairalanders claiming Christians know nothing about Jesus and his mode of operations.
Jesus only interact with people who come into the temple but when you lock your door at him he will not disturb you once he knocked and you refuse to open or you open and turn down his kind gesture of coming to your house {Matthew 10:13} Jesus will never force his message on you! Matthew 12:19

So why must a follower of such teacher insist on chatting with people who choose to lock their hearts in order not to listen?
Definitely those complaining about the attitude of Muslims on this forum are not interested in preaching but trolling and ridiculing of other people's religion.
Jesus said "let your light shine before them" {Matthew 5:14-16} if Christians conducts themselves the way Jesus commanded any right thinking person will lik to know the spirit behind such fine WORKS! 1Peter 3:15

diridiri:
It seems a large chunk of my comment was ignored. Consequently, your response reads more like a reiteration of your previous comment than an actual response. That's OK, though, I'll just not bring up that topic of discussion again.

On an unrelated note, you're a Jehovah's Witness, yes?
Is it true that Jehovah's Witness' don't believe in the Trinity? Out of genuine curiosity, how would you interpret John 1?
I'm certain that Matthew, Mark, and Luke never directly claim that Jesus was God himself, but John is sharply aberrant from the other three gospels in this regard. Do you think that "the Word" does not refer to Jesus?

All servants of God believe that Moses was made a God and Aaron his brother was made his prophet {Exodus 7:1} therefore when John said the word was a god it's the misinterpretation of translators that caused the confusion there. Jesus is the Word of God and he was God just as Moses was God {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but Jesus has a Father who is our Father and God who is also our God {John 20:17} so it doesn't make Jesus the Almighty God!

diridiri:
You can't set rules for Oxygen but we know how it interacts with other components of the world, because of observations we made on it.
We can't observe God by definition. We can't measure him and make rules about how he operates. We just have to guess by reading millennia old books claiming to have been written by people that talked to people that talked to God, supposedly.

The rules that God supposedly operates on are arbitrary and nonsensical. Would you just automatically believe me if I said that breathing Oxygen cures gingivitis because someone told me that someone told me that a book said that Oxygen said so?

You can't set rules for OXYGEN my friend you just have to abide by it's ways, the same applies to God. As for what God said through the Bible you only need to get the the right channel in order to know what is needed about God just as you don't expect fact from everyone who claims they know about gases, you need to be sure you're in the right place!

LordReed:
Yeah but you don't even even think about it talk more of trusting in oxygen. That just sounds so contrived, you are trying to force the scenario to fit into your narrative. It doesn't work cos that's not how we think or talk about oxygen.

You have to trust it by moving everywhere you like because you know oxygen is there yet you can't see it with your physical eyes.
So demanding you must see God before believing He exist is self deceit if you trust in oxygen without seeing it!

diridiri:
These people have come again now.
Oxygen is invisible but you can measure it, observe it, and interact with it physically. None of that applies to God.
Do you really think the biggest problem with God's existence is the fact that you can't see him with your four eyes? If that was the only issue, it wouldn't even be a problem. After all, I didn't see when I was born with my own two eyes, would that mean I was never born?

So what evidence do you have to prove that you were born if you never witnessed it?
Is it not the continuous system of how people are been born?
Well God is a spirit (Invisible Supreme Being) the evidence of His existence is found in the things He created and how perfect it has been for thousands of years till now.
Therefore who ever wants to MEASURE, OBSERVE or INTERACT with God only need to follow the protocol not ignoring the protocol and trying to set rules for Him just as you can't set rules for OXYGEN you just have to study really hard to deal with it even when it's freely given to everyone! Matthew 5:45

LordReed:
Why do you need to trust oxygen? That is a very strange thing to say.

We learn everyday.
That faithful day i discovered that OXYGEN is something we must rely upon for survival but because it's cheap and invisible we have taken it for granted. It's only when we find ourselves in places where the air has been polluted then educated ones among us will remember that we need OXYGEN to keep living!

oteneaaron:
Funny enough, the modern day Pharisees are the 8 men who make up the Governing Body of your organization, followed by their helpers, down to the branch committee members, and elders in the local congregations.
There you have it.

Do the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have such authority to demand for the killing of anyone who overstep their laws the same way Pharisees demanded that Jesus should be killed? John 19:12

Are they ranked by any worldly authorities the same way the Pharisees were highly ranked by the Roman Authorities back in Jesus' day? John 18:35


Do they have any authority over society at large apart from fellow JWs who willingly subjected him/herself under their supervision? John 12:42


Do they treat people under their supervision as sinners to be trampled under foot the same way Pharisees look down on their fellow Jews? John 9:34


Do they support revolution or organize protests against other religions the same way Pharisees do stage such chaos in the first century? Act 14:19

Do they have any say over the voting in or out anyone in public offices? Act 17:6-7

Jesus said:
"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit". Matthew 7:16-18

Come on my friend, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have produced the most peaceful and peaceloving citizens everywhere they go. So you've been thoroughly brainwashed if you liken them to the first century Jewish Pharisees!

MaxInDHouse:
Who are modern day Pharisees?

Pharisees in the first century Jewish nation were a politically motivated religious group ruling among the Jews back then.
The Romans colonized their nation so unlike what was written in the mosaic laws that God appoints the High priest only from the lineage of Levi it's the Romans that appoints the high priest in the first century to keep the Jews under control.
So these group was playing a diplomatic game of politics with the Roman empire.
According to the scriptures a Messiah (Christ) will be born among the Jews and he will destroy all the kingdoms of the world (including the Roman Empire) and this Messiah will reign forever! Daniel 2:44
So the Pharisees were nursing the ambition that anytime this Messiah comes they will work with him to overthrow Rome (the then world power) and serve as co-rulers with the Christ. But to their surprise no such Messiah surfaced and those that tried to make such moves died miserably! Act 5:36-37
When Jesus of Nazareth began his ministry, the Pharisees who knew most scriptures that talked about the Messiah started trailing him, their conviction that Jesus has proved to be the Christ is found in the comments of a prominent member of that group named Nicodemus {John 3:2} even most of their people realized that Jesus has done everything they heard about the Christ from John the baptist whom they held as a prophet! John 10:41-42

But this Jesus highly disappointed the Pharisees because he was a humble person not an arrogant or tyrant man they expected so they stubbornly rejected him even when they knew he has all the potentials and credentials of the Messiah! John 7:46

So the question comes again:

Who are modern day Pharisees?

By their FRUITS you will know them! Matthew 7:16

There's no religion on this planet today that's against neighbours if we are to ask the adherents to speak in defense of their faith.
But just as the adage say:
"Action speaks louder than words"

Truvelisback:
Ur JW Church too do the same to members that stopped coming to their church.

It's like you missed this part of my post:

MaxInDHouse:
That's what the first century followers of Christ laid down as norm among themselves whoever stopped association with fellow believers is no longer a Christian! Hebrews 10:24-25, 1John 2:19

That's the norm in Christianity!
Once you stop associating with fellow believers you're no longer regarded as a Christian.

The difference between JWs and all these your churches:
While your pastors are deceiving you people that you're worshiping the same God as CHRISTIANS we know that only members of our organization are worshiping our God.
So if you're not a JW we will never pray or share anything sacred with you unless you're ready to LEARN from us. If you're not ready to learn from us we will prove to you that you can't be a worshiper of our God, you're either a JW or a pagan no sitting on the fence!

Unlike your Churches where all of you are against one another yet claiming denominations of the same religion! John 8:32

ChristianFreedo:
and you really believe what you wrote up there?

Believe is an understatement my friend, i know that's what happened.
JWs globally believe we must abstain from blood so if any government demands we put it into writing that our biblical principles are not to be forced on anyone of course we will do but the laws of our God has been WRITTEN in our hearts so whatever any government says doesn't alter it's effectiveness! Jeremiah 31:33

What happens to their miraculous powers?
I think Jesus cured sicknesses not provisions for treatment!

MindHacker9000:
It is only some of the the Old Testament that holds the true words of GOD and not the New Testament written by the Romans.

So Romans are controlling the world today shey?
Well everyone is entitled to his/her PERSONAL opinion!

That's what the first century followers of Christ laid down as norm among themselves whoever stopped association with fellow believers is no longer a Christian! Hebrews 10:24-25, 1John 2:19

But there is a little mix-up here. Once you are still attending Christian gatherings {Matthew 18:20} wherever you may be you must be viewed as a Christian since you're still for the movement and not against the movement! Mark 9:38-40

The question we need to ask ourselves is this:

Are all these different sects claiming denominations in Christianity under the same spirit? John 4:24
Because if they are then there shouldn't be such looks on the face of a Christian when you see your fellow believer.
Well the truth is that all these different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are not worshipers of the same spirit if they are they will all have the same line of thought! John 17:22; Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

May you have PEACE!

Steep:
The same people gave you phones, cars internet etc

When talking about the slave trade most don't realize that it's all about racism, people kidnap people and sell them off into slavery far away from home where others can easily recognize them! Genesis 37:28
This has nothing to do with blacks or white because the slave trade cut across all the continents therefore it's myopic to conclude that only the white that were making blacks their slaves.
The white in general fought among themselves to end it, the blacks are still in the business so they (white) concentrated on the people who are still ready to sell off their kind as slaves (Blacks)
But it's inside their senate house in London that these same white people fought within themselves to end ancient style of slave trade completely our own people still want to continue in the business if not for this same white people.
We need to be open minded to see things clearly instead of ignorantly jumping into wrong conclusion.
As for Christianity whoever read and meditate thoroughly on the words of Jesus (the first century Jewish carpenter known as CHRIST) will know that those that brought the Bible to Africa only feel that it's a good book they weren't Christians!

daytimer:
Did you know that many secret society people do not believe in eternal life? The following video is one you should make an effort to watch for it is the Word of God

Secret societies belong to Satan who knew he will be exterminated so he doesn't expect life eternal and that's exactly what he is telling his human agents:
"get rich now and enjoy whatever there is because you have no chance of living forever"
But on the other hand Jesus is extending the invitation to join the road to life eternal this means it's left to each individual to choose either to travel on the broad road leading of to death or cramped road that's leading to everlasting life! Matthew 7:13-14

wasol:
The power that be; belongeth unto God...
And God is the ordainer of kings and the government shall rest upon the shoulders of Christ.
God bless you...

Christ or another man?

God in politics?

immortalcrown:
You can travel far by trekking instead of using a vehicle but a vehicle will make your journey better. Christianity is a vehicle for a better journey to goodness. Would you say your ability to trek makes a vehicle needless in a far journey? I am not contradicting myself. You are just using your sentiment to misinterpret my comment.

The problem here is the difference between the way humans define that adjective "GOOD" and how God defines it.
From the standpoint of God no single human is GOOD {Psalms 14:2-3} that's why Jesus (God's only begotten Son) could say no one is GOOD except God. Luke 18:19
So when it comes to the definition of that adjective "GOOD" intelligent humans try to decipher what is God's definition of GOOD?
Because if anyone is able to meet up with that standard within the next six months everyone will be convinced that they're evil when compared to the person who meets the requirements of being called GOOD by God!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
I didn't drop anything.
I was just amazed at your ignorance.

IGNORANCE yielding positivity throughout the earth when you've got nothing better to replace it. I'm sorry for you!

CJust:
That's good but i have somethings to reveal to but later

This days there are lots of Revelations after the last Bible book so you can continue revealing whatever comes to your dreams as long as the book (Bible) has been sealed! Revelations 22:18-19

oteneaaron:
But just last month, Geoffrey Jackson announced a NEW LIGHT. Are you sure what you believe right now is not an old light?
Just saying.
Cos G. Jackson was saying there is new light about the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous..
I think you should go and watch it just to be sure that what you're blabbing here is not an old light.

OK you've dropped the stupid stuff of accusing people who never hurt you or your own family. Well that's our own cup of coffee there will always be New light and righteous people are ever ready to welcome it!

walkbrazil4k:
You are right about that part above, but the white man bought slaves so this makes them evil as well

You made just one mistake!

Those white men brought a book (Bible) they knew nothing about Christianity. They were politicians planning to expand their domain and they choose the Bible as their weapon to soften the hearts of their subjects and buy the hearts of their former rulers over.

True Christianity has been enslaved since the death of all the Apostles of Christ what remains during the dark ages was misinformed Churchgoers claiming Christians not until Jesus returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and restore it back to the way he established it.

So those white men who brought the Bible weren't CHRISTIANS!

Rocktation:
Is English your first language?
Lemme try again;
I'm saying-- Faith is an umbrella term for Blind Faith and Reasoned/Informed Faith...End of. From my human perspective, of course. Capeesh?
It is exactly as I have said it...Don't nitpick to make conversation or try to find imagined slights or connotations that are nonexistent.

Abraham's faith could be easily understood by anyone having faith!

He lived with his families, business partners and friends in Our. A spirit asked him to leave that place with all his family and business to an unknown destination. Abraham took off in anticipation of what will come out of this venture. Himself and his wife had no child yet this spirit told him he will become the father of nations. Abraham continued to follow whatever this spirit says until it seems as if all hope regarding having a child was lost. Then his wife asked him to sleep with her slave girl (perhaps to know if Abraham is the cause of their childlessness) and voilà the slave girl got pregnant! Abraham at last became a father and when this spirit reminded Abraham of his seemingly untrue promises Abraham replied "well may your promises come true in the life of my son Ishmael" {Genesis 17:18} but this spirit now uttered a much more unbelievable promise that will shock everyone hearing it!
He told Abraham that Ishmael will surely survive but the promise He made with Abraham will come true through the child to be born by his old barren wife (Sarah) Genesis 17:19-21

Please if after all said and done Sarah became pregnant and actually became a mother do you think Abraham won't laugh at this spirit when He asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

If i am Abraham i will do exactly the same thing because it's not me that would be put to shame after all i've had two living sons and it's the one this spirit told me will become the father of nations that He asked me to kill. So if i eventually kill the child what happens to all the promises of this spirit? Surely the same spirit that made Sarah a ninety year old woman conceive and survived childbirth has the power to restore life into my son even if i should kill him according to His orders! Hebrews 11 17-19

That's exactly what happened!

rottennaija:
It's a pity you think I follow your post. I don't. I had listed doctrines and beliefs of the JW that are not of Christian origin, it does not mean they cannot use scriptures to back it up, rightly or wrongly.

Here is the deal MaxInDHouse, if you Pick any activities, "like banning singing laughing on Sunday" or "the clapping of hands when a disfellowship person is reinstated" and you will see religious leaders and teachers providing "proves beyond reasonable doubts" why those activities are unscriptural and you see the members claiming their have proven beyond reasonable doubts why does events are unscriptural.

The point is, anything can be backed up from the Bible, rightly or wrongly. Even the teaching of hell fire is backed up in the Bible.

Do you get it now?

So in a nutshell you're only saying what you think not exactly what is happening because for you to have uttered such a statement you should be able to present one thing the JWs believe that can't be backed up with the scriptures.
Of course anyone can teach anything and quote any verse to back it up but before saying it's unscriptural then you must be prepared to substantiate not just use a common ideology that's based on tradition of men.

HellFire was never part of God's plan in the beginning, what God told Adam the first and foremost sinner is that he will die and nothing more! Genesis 2:17; 3:19

Paul explained that at death man's sin has been fully paid for! Romans 6:7

So don't just come on social media to accuse people when all what you have in mind is the traditional dogmas that can't be fully established in the scriptures!

oteneaaron:
Are you just being ignorant or you just don't understand the brevity of your words?
So if someone - maybe an elder in the congregation rapes or sexually abuses your daughter or son, instead of reporting to the authorities, you would rather keep quiet and hide the perpetrators??
So that you don't "keep record of evils"?
Really @MaxinDhouse??
No wonder the JW organization has been paying thru their nose over countless child sexual abuse cases.
Is this a benefit of your organization?
Hiding child molesters from law enforcement authorities?
You should be arrested and investigated to explain your words.

Where were you when Amnon raped his own sister?
What did King David do to his own Son that raped his own daughter? 2Samuel 13:1-19

My friend, you don't need to be this stupid just because you hate a group of peaceloving people. Nobody stops you from reporting a crime but you can't accuse someone of a crime and when asked to present evidence you say the victim has destroyed it!
Come on, it's the duty of the victim to witness against the accused but when that doesn't happen then you become a fool because that makes you a slanderer!

If a JW has never raped your daughter but you keep peddling stories that you can't prove with evidence only to continue carrying rumours where the evidence you say has been destroyed by the victim who should be offended. My friend don't you see how stupid that has made you look?

I'm sorry, i don't know how old you are but you need to go back and learn how to deal sincerely with your neighbours and stop this madness!

cornelboy:
I laugh too at their reasoning
If not for the efforts of the Bible students who came together to expose false doctrine of religion, i would still be in confusion till now.

"You will know the truth and the truth will make you free". This verse has a practical effect on my life.
Thank Jah for the JWs. I might still be in confusion till now because it wasn't easy for me to figure it all out myself. I'd been fed with too much lies.

The highlighted often makes me pray each morning for those guys who used to come both rain and sunshine even when i just don't feel like seeing them they refused to give up on me!
That's why i always say:
"Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me"
How would i have figured out all the lies Satan fabricated and fed billions until JWs began spreading the Good News of God's kingdom?
The last time a misinformed churchgoer came to my house to preach i welcomed him and asked him to preach what the Bible called GOOD NEWS to me, it was really hilarious because he knew nothing other than "Heaven is real, Hell is real"
So i asked him further "is that what Jesus called the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom?
What exactly is good about this your Heaven is real, Hell is real stuff?"
My friend said i'm mocking God, that's when my wife told him he's the one mocking his God as he couldn't figure out any tangible thing to say about his God!

cornelboy:
Baba learn how to follow discussion.

I don't even know this 8 men your talking about and I've not decided to completely submit to them

They think by mentioning the group name of those overseeing the organization will irritate a honest hearted individual who is interested in fine WORKS! Matthew 7:16-18

Whether they're 3, 6, 12 or 55 old men from Togo, is it not the result of their teachings that matters?
Do i know any Jesus from Nazareth (Israel) before i accepted his teachings?
You see these Apostates and their thinking at times do amuse me walahi talahi!

rottennaija:
It seems you didn't read any of the things I posted.

You should know through my post that i'm not that good in English language so can you just mention one thing JWs practices that they can't back it up with the scriptures?
Thanks in advance!