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MindHacker9000:
You are the one that needs to reason here that if your man made Messiah could not keep His promise to return immediately after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and his own people were slaughtered by the Romans and others turned to slaves does that not tell you such a Messiah is FAKE.

Read this again “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Matthew 24:22

Na wah for you o!

I said
"put Jesus' case aside for now and let's reason from your own side of the story"

So don't bring Jesus' matter in again.
Then answer my question:

Do you think it will be just if a killer should come from God who is HOLY to exterminate people without a warning before such extermination?

Then explain what was written in the Bible book of Isaiah 61:1-2, who will do all that is prophesied in that verse? Or will the Messiah come, destroy people before this portion of the prophecy is fulfilled?

Thanks!

diridiri:
The book of Enoch was not inspired by the same God? How do you know?
The books in the Bible you use were probably selected and sorted out by scribes more than centuries after the death of all the significant figures of the NT. I'm not questioning the rationale behind the selections, but how would you know if they simply forgot to add the book of Enoch?

God is the Supreme Being who wants all His worshipers to have the same line of thought regarding beliefs so He will surely see to it that uninspired books are removed one way or another. Moreover God never said anything about punishment after the death of any human since the capital punishment for sin is death.
So any book found contradicting this opinion must be from the spirit who told Eve:

“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

What God told them if they should rebel against His orders is:

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

Only Jesus said strange things contrary to this and the Bible has forewarned that when the Messiah (Christ) comes he will teach many things in PARABLES. So it's unbelievers (those who don't trust in God's word) that will be confused regarding Jesus' utterances! Daniel 12:10

MindHacker9000:
Hearing the gospels does not make people good. I know many gospel readers and believers whose ways are worse than those who do not read or follow the gospels.
Romans 2:14
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
If the New testament you believe so much in is not FAKE why did your man made Messiah not keep His promise when He said: He will return immediately after the destruction of the Temple and “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Matthew 24:22

Please don't take two steps at a time.
I said
"put Jesus' case aside for now and let's reason from your own side of the story"

Do you think it will be just if a killer should come from God who is HOLY to exterminate people without a warning before such extermination?

Then explain what was written in the Bible book of Isaiah 61:1-2, who will do all that is prophesied in that verse? Or will the Messiah come, destroy people before this portion of the prophecy is fulfilled?

Thanks!

MindHacker9000:
You are the one that needs wisdom. Did Jesus not say He will return immediately after the destruction of the Temple and “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

You dodge one important question in my post but i'll give you a benefit of doubt perhaps you didn't notice it so here is it again:

Do you think it will be just if a killer should come from God who is HOLY to exterminate people without a warning before such extermination?

Let's put Jesus' case aside for now and reason from your side of the story!

LordReed:
There we go, trying to fit everything into your cultish way of thinking. I don't trust Elon Musk, he is out there doing his thing and I am over here watching. No trust required from me neither am I expressing any. Is that so hard for you to grasp?

Keep deceiving yourself!

I spoke CONFIDENTLY of God's promises that was brought to me while i'm here in Nigeria, you also spoke CONFIDENTLY of Elon Musk's promises brought to you here in Nigeria yet you're trying to say there's a difference!

MindHacker9000:
Neofiti Genesis 49:11
How beautiful is King Messiah who is to arise from among those of the house of Judah. He girds his loins and goes forth to battle against those that hate him; and he kills kings with rulers, and makes the mountains red from the blood of their slain and makes the valleys white from the fat of their warriors. His garments are rolled in blood; he is like a presser of grapes.
https://intertextual.bible/text/targum-neofiti-genesis-49.11-revelation-19.13

This is where you need wisdom!

Don't you think it's unjust if such a Messiah never come first to PREACH and TEACH so that everyone will be WARNED? Isaiah 61:1-2 Compare to Luke 4:17-19

Sorry it's all about the same Jesus of Nazareth his first coming is to WARN people but his second coming is when he will kill kings {Daniel 2:44} and all opposers of his rulership! Luke 19:27

So calm down and learn!

LordReed:
LMAO! Don't worry Ògbéni, Elon Musk is working on getting us to Mars, soon we will have a colony there. Meanwhile your mythical god can only speak through your cult leaders. Bwahahahahaha!

Now you are talking! So i trust (BELIEVE) in the promises of Jehovah, and you trust (BELIEVE) in the promises made by Elon Musk! Psalms 146:3-4

No wahala!

God's word made it clear that there is nothing like INNOCENCE in the life of humans, we have all (no matter the age) sinned and fall short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} from the viewpoint of God all Adam's descendants are like waste products, that's why Jesus referred to people without faith as walking corpse {Luke 9:60} you can only join those whose names are in God's memory book for remembrance when you avail yourself for matters having to do with FAITH! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

So all babies that hasn't developed their thinking skills to decide for themselves are waste products that's why God's word says:

Remember, then, your Grand Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of distress come and the years arrive when you will say: “I have no pleasure in them” Ecclesiastes 12:1

Note the highlighted "in the days of your youth" the only way to secure a child's life for God to remember such a child during resurrection is when you the father quickly inculcate in such a child the love of God which must first prove to be in your own heart {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} by so doing your child will become holy to God:

and if a woman has an unbelieving husband and he is agreeable to staying with her, let her not leave her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 1 Corinthians 7:13-14

The point of emphasis here is how God will view the babies born in a Christian home.

Apart from Christian homes where the children are trained to love God {2Timothy 3:15} all other children are WASTE products, that's why God told the Israelites in ancient times to kill pagans who are depriving them from inheriting the promised land including all their babies they're waste products in God's eyes!

Today God's people are to continue preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood in anticipation of God's kingdom, when God's Kingdom comes no unbeliever (including their babies) will be spared by the angels:

But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.” Revelations 21:8

All those WITHOUT FAITH are waste products whether a day child or adult!

LordReed:
I thought you invited the general public to you discuss on "trusting oxygen"? Well, next time label your thread JW only or something so I can steer clear. Meanwhile as long as you are in the public space shouting about how you "trust oxygen", I'll be here to shoot it down. LoLz

Ògbéni you know it's undeniable but you just came to make noise as usual. OXYGEN is what all living creatures that moves need to keep living. So according to science we must trust in it before traveling to anywhere that's why astronauts travel to the moon with oxygen.
God's word says earth is where God created for life so if you truly want to refute this God all you and your frustrated cohorts need to do is prove what He said is a lie by going to another planet and stay there. Show us that you don't trust in OXYGEN!

cornelboy:
This guy no de think obviously.
If the new testament was fabricated by the Romans, from imaginary their story (the new testament), is Jesus pictured as a fighter or reformer or a rebellion who tried to drive the Romans out of Israel?
Did they include in their story that he failed or succeeded in his political/military mission?
If it was really the Romans, would they accuse and crucify him just because he said he was the son of God? Didn't Pontius Pilate want to free him but the Jews insisted on killing him?
Would the Romans have mentioned anything about Jesus sacrificial death for all mankind, his resurrection and the promise of the holy spirit?
Could the Romans have preached message about love: loving God and loving your neighbours and enemies?
The Torah and NT were inspired by the same God.
If the NT was fabricated, there's no prove that the Torah (OT) wasn't fabricated

When some people get any information that sounds fascinating to them they just want to force it down the throat of everyone around them and once you question them it's insults and abuses they will turn to.
I don't need anything from the Bible either OT or NT to authenticate the promises of God on the coming of a Messiah.
The result is here already. I have never found any religious book that perfectly predicted future events like the Bible.
Let's carefully read this together:

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This has proved to be true in our time the JWs have been through all nations and gathered millions in fulfilment of the above, and i can see this with my own eyes {Matthew 5:14-16; Act 1:8} so if anyone now woke up from his slumber saying Jesus was fabricated all i need is another group of people who are close to JWs in achievements but has nothing to do with the story of Jesus period!

cornelboy:
Europeans and Benin artifacts don't relate here.
What good revenue are the Romans generating from the new testament around the word?

I wonder o!

Everything we read were stories whether true or false we never witnessed any so how can someone just wake up from slumber saying what was recorded in the NT was fabricated by Romans, abeg wetin be their gain?

MindHacker9000:
You don't like to be corrected even though you are clearly in the wrong. This is what believing a Roman made Messiah and FAKE New Testament gospels written Romans does to adults like yourself.

So what are you doing here if you don't believe in the topic of discussion?

LordReed:
LoL! Nah men you are the frustrated one here because your "trust in oxygen" narrative was shot down in flames. Bwahahahahaha.

Here comes the nightmares. Perceive which god? LoL. Your mythological Jehovah? Where did I say I must see him? In your nightmare? Bwahahahahaha!

When an atheist run into a thread where God's matter is been discussed we know what's pursuing you here and there.
Never mind my friend, my own God isn't that of the religionists who threatens people with eternal torment so go and eat your food!

LordReed:
LMAO! You are the joker here because your "perfect" group would never have members leave. Your group is a cult and a very imperfect one at that. They try to disguise their failings but any one not under their control can see them for what they are. Bwahahahaha!

The underlined and your repeated use of the word "CULT" shows how frustrated you are!
Who taught you everyone will love to stay in a perfect setting?
Jesus said the perfect way will be cramped {Matthew 7:13-14} so it's not everyone who found it will be able to travel on it! Luke 13:24

Do you now perceive the presence of God in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses with all what Jesus said some 2,000 years ago as it's fulfilling just as he said it?
Sorry i forgot you love deceiving yourself, aren't you the same person who was arguing that you never said you must see God?
However your later comments exposed what's in your heart before jumping into the thread!

Whatever!

elated177:
Very true. A man of truth, such as myself, who seeks the honour of the One who sent him and not his own honour, recognizes and acknowledges scriptural truth whenever and wherever he sees it, irrespective of who says it. There is nothing false about me, Elated177.

John 7: 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from YHVH or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.


El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

I never typed for anyone to agree, it's what the faithful and discreet from Jesus taught me that i'm saying so whether you agree or not is none of my business!

elated177:
Onye mmeme! Ehehehehe! Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. YHVH Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, never condemned the moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages. My Father in heaven, my God, does not condemn the moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages. He is against drunkenness. Every reasonable person knows that drunkenness can lead to a lot of bad occurrences.

So, maxindhouse, I agree with your assertions above. We have had our differences and will still have our differences whenever and wherever necessary, but in this case, I agree with you.

What we are asking for are original, healthy and good quality alcoholic beverages.

To the saints, servants and messengers of YHVH Almighty - Yahushua the Messiah - if you abstain from alcoholic beverages, you have not committed and are not committing any sin. If you drink in moderation, you are not committing any sin. Abstain from drunkenness.


Deut 14:22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of YHVH your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere YHVH your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by YHVH your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where YHVH will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place YHVH your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of YHVH your God and rejoice.

Psalm 104: 14 He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: 15 wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts.

Matthew 11: 16 “To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:

17 “‘We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.’

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

Indeed, wisdom is proved right by her deeds.

E Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

diridiri:
I see where you're coming from, and indeed this was close to the opinion I held when I was a Christian. But the New Testament is quite explicit about the existence of Hell. Take the story of the rich man and Lazarus, for instance. This is an explicit confession by Jesus that hell exists, right? Evil as it might appear, that is what Jesus says.

I know that in the OT the concept of hell is never expanded upon. The concept of eternal torture is Hell was something that the Christ supposedly brought to Christianity. I say supposedly because Jesus never wrote any of the gospels (nor did any of his disciples, deceptive gospel names notwithstanding), so all of what is recorded on what Jesus said are not just hearsay but hearsay upon hearsay. The words in the OT translated as "hell" in English are "sheol" and "gehinnom", both very multifaceted words that do not cleanly translate to "hell". The general consensus is that, at the time of most of the OT writings, "sheol" was viewed as where everyone, regardless of moral inclination, went after they died.

Jesus did not start the idea of separation of sinners from the righteous, though. The Book of Enoch, a non-canonical text, goes into some detail about hell. So this goes a bit further than Jesus, but he still (supposedly) chose to support this view fully.

This is where we need the help of the faithful and discreet slave that Jesus promised to work with him in our own time! Matthew 24:45

Jesus' messages will be difficult for wicked people to grasp. According to Daniel the prophet he said:

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. Daniel 12:1

So it's Archangel Michael that will come in the person of Messiah but since many will be confused about his true identity haughty and unfaithful people will not understand his message {Daniel 12:10} most of which he will deliver in PARABLES! Isaiah 6:10 compare to Matthew 13:13-14

As for what Jesus said about Lazarus and the rich man it's a PARABLE and each of the things mentioned are symbolic terms to be understood through the faithful and discreet slave who will teach us what each of the symbols means.
Rich man, Lazarus, Death, Abraham's bosom, sours in Lazarus's body, dogs licking the sours, drop of water from Lazarus's fingertip, chasm between them, Rich man's brothers and so on all has meaning but if anyone doesn't humble himself to learn from Jesus' representatives he will simply conclude that God is confusionist for sending Jesus to come and cause confusion.
The book of Enoch is not inspired by the same God so don't bring it into what is written in the Bible!

LordReed:
LoL! There goes the control cult programming. Bwahahahahaha. Yeah cultists like you think everyone needs to be it a high control cult like yours. No sir, we can live better lives with better information rather your lemming like control group. If your cult is a sign your god is as fictional as Sauron.

My guy i know you always feel the heat in my comment that's why you can't ignore even after several trials to prove intelligent failed!

Let me remind you the simple undeniable definition of "GOD" the "SUPREME BEING"
We are (imperfect) human beings and God promised to prove His presence in the way imperfect humans are well organized and orderly in a PERFECT sense! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

You can only refute what God said in that verse by presenting a global group of people (unbelievers) who have liberated themselves from what is making people like you raise weapons against one another! Revelations 6:3-4

Failure to do that simply makes you a joker who is desperately trying to deny what is obvious to everyone! Matthew 5:14-16

Truvelisback:
See agent of Light..... I hear u.

Not me Sir, i only spoke according to the spirit in me so it's JESUS you should listen to not me!

AntiChristian:
No wonder JWs sabi drink!

Of course i love merriments where drinks are available, our God doesn't condemn drinking of alcoholic beverages (though some of us don't take alcoholic at all because they feel they often mess things up after taking it but they will never speak against those taking it moderately) it's overdoing anything that our God condemns! Deuteronomy 14:26

Thanks!

Truvelisback:
Look at the topic and look at ur comment, do they relate? Learn to comment relative to topics. If u want to say something different, u can create a thread for that and express ur points.

It's like you failed to grasp what you're saying right now! Most times people like you serve as agents of darkness but you won't know! Matthew 16:23

Now let me enlighten you on what you're doing to yourself unknowingly:

A supposed Christian created a thread to express his feelings on why Muslims were granted the chance of locking up themselves in a section belong to a public forum just because they don't want comments from none Muslims and everyone is coming in to express their viewpoint. But a certain commentator now called the attention of everyone to Christ's way of handling such matter, should you be glad to hear Jesus' opinion on the topic or criticize the person who raised the idea that we should consider what Jesus said?

That's why Jesus said:

You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:7-9

Are you glad or sad when someone say "let us consider Jesus' viewpoint on the topic"?
Remember God's own voice from heaven saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

Please i'm not presenting my own opinion on the topic, i'm simply saying "let us consider Jesus' viewpoint"
So if you're a child of God having God's Holy Spirit working in you you should be glad not sad that someone reminded you of what Jesus the one you often called "LORD! LORD!" said on any topic! Matthew 7:21-23

May you have PEACE!

Truvelisback:
U are only good at derailing threads and commenting out of points. How do ur comments relate to the topic above? Are u trying to prove that ur Christianity is different or what?

Are you a Christian?
Face the message and not the messenger.
Jesus is what Christianity is all about not what you think is right from your human reasoning.
Our Lord Jesus only speak with people who want to hear his message, whoever lock his heart need not be disturbed!

LordReed:
So the imperfect humans are the god in visible form? There is no people organized in a perfect way, don't kid yourself. Your cult is a high control organisation that is all. Your organisation's failures are so much on record they even attempt to manipulate their history to pull the wool over your eyes. Only umbilically tied individuals like you continue to be fed the mush they call truth and you swallow it hook, line and sinker. Those who realise they are being feed a diet of bullshìt leave your organisation and find better information.

The highlighted is all i need in your pathetic post.
They left an ORGANIZATION for a better INFORMATION (NOT ORGANIZATION)
So who is fooling who?
If i joined a well organized and orderly people for a reason there's nothing stopping me from leaving such a group for another BETTER PERFORMING group, but leaving for a BETTER INFORMATION now sounds strange Sir!

LordReed:
LoL! Here you go:
See attached image
So I have reason to doubt your god now right? LMFAO!

There you go my friend!
OXYGEN is gas whatever makes you perceive it as liquid simply means you can also perceive God by observing IMPERFECT humans as they are organized in a PERFECT way, thank you!

Those who are in Christ Jesus will be united in the same line of thought {John 17:22} there will be no division among them {Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2} that means there's a group belonging to Jesus that has this quality we just need to find this group!

Everything about Jesus of Nazareth, his birth through the Holy Spirit, his speeches, his miracles, his death, his resurrection and how the Holy Spirit later came to anoint Jesus' disciples are all in the pages of the Bible which anyone can doubt it's authenticity if they have reasons to do so.
Therefore what evidence do we have today to prove that Jesus is the rightful Messiah (Christ) apart from what we read in the pages of books?

diridiri:
Ok, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I wanted to know how exactly non-Trinitarianism worked.

It's trinitarians that's misconstruing God's word, anyone could have picked up the Bible and see logical reasoning to find certain things on his/her own, then there will be little to interpret which will also harmonize with other parts of the scriptures. But trinitarianism has complicated everything that's why they always say God's word is a mystery as they locked themselves in a box.
For instance there is no logical reasoning to back up the teaching of eternal torment, God clearly stated in the Bible book of Genesis that Adam only had two options it's either he obey God's life saving instructions or die due to disobedience {Genesis 3:17} so at death Adam becomes lifeless unable to further cause harm to himself and others! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
Apostle Paul emphasized that death is the wages of sin {Romans 6:23} therefore man pay with his life for his sin! Romans 6:7

But due to the wickedness in the hearts of trinitarians they feel death shouldn't end it all there should be another punishment for those that hurt them after death please ask anyone who preach this a simple question and see how confused they will be:

People who have good manners but refused to leave their traditional religion until they die will they go to heaven or HellFire since it's only believers in Jesus that will have everlasting life?
Then a trinitarian will flash back to his grandma or grandpa who was a traditionalists but lived a good life, he will not know how to say such a person will continue to suffer in his imaginary Hellfire!

Truvelisback:
U are commenting off topic.

This is what i expected from you so never mind just focus on your cohorts!

diridiri:
How would you interpret Jesus being the Word of God, then? Does that just mean he is God's mouthpiece?

You're getting things right yourself so try to think outside the box of trinity for a moment and you'll fully understand what John meant in that verse.
@ Exodus 13:21 we read that JEHOVAH (the Almighty God) was moving ahead of the camp of Israel like a pillar of cloud by day and at night the pillar will turn to light.
But chapter 14:19 later revealed that it was an angel that they were seeing not JEHOVAH Himself.

@ Genesis 18:1 it was recorded that JEHOVAH appeared to Abraham but John later revealed that "no man has seen God at any time" {John 1:18} therefore it's evident that the angel who has always appeared to ancient servants of God was acting as God's representative all that time that's why John could say he WAS God's mouthpiece that they've been hearing all along! John 1:1

LordReed:
LoL! OMFD! When did respond becoming seeing? Omo your daydreams are becoming nightmares. Bwahahahahaha!

Keep deceiving yourself, if you believe there's oxygen then you need to show me without any long process failure to do so simply means you have no excuse whatsoever to doubt the existence of an invisible supreme being whose presence is felt in the gathering of His human worshipers!

cornelboy:
Your 100% right!

I wonder how some people do make use of their brains!

A one time world conqueror nation (Rome) destroyed a weaker nation Israel and of all the nations conquered by Rome they chose to fabricate a myth in the name of a Jew!

In fact the most stupid human will question such ideology, even i'm not a Christian nothing can make me subscribe to such opinion!

cornelboy:
Do you know the story of the woman caught in adultery and the pharisees? Jesus didn't condemn her to be stoned to death. He told her to go and sin no more!

Those people are evil and hypocritical!

God's law says both the male and female caught in the act should be dealt with but this useless people only brought the female to be stoned.
Please can she commit ADULTERY with herself? Where was the male caught sleeping with her?
That's why Jesus said "let the one who has no sin cast the first stone"
If they hid the man found sleeping with that woman on what ground are they stoning the woman alone?