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rottennaija:
MaxInDHouse, by now you should have recognize that most of us are not kids. The watchtower religion has existed for more than 100 years, what they believe today is not the same with what they believed years ago (whatever their justification). But what should be of interest is that what they believed then had 'scriptural backing' until it no longer. That you have not seen anything "they practice that's out of the scriptures" does not mean there is non. It is just that you "have not seen" because you are deeply invested in it.
The page below list some of these scriptural practices and believes that are 'out of scriptures' but these were also backed using the scriptures.
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php
Like I said earlier,

Perhaps you don't understand what i'm saying so let me go straight to the point:

Please tell me what JWs practice now that's not scriptural.
If it's about changes in their understanding of certain Bible truth that's 100% SCRIPTURAL because Jesus himself said so many things that ancient servants of God never knew or practiced. So if you want to base your argument on changes regarding the understanding of God's people then you have to condemn the Bible and Jesus all together because God Himself said so many things that changed and Jesus (God's son) also said so many things that changed regarding what God's servants hold onto before and now!

Backlaw406:
Funny you, you made me laugh this morning.
You know the part which out of your comment that got me laughed.
Where you said " my bible tells me that it's the curse on Adam that's affecting all his descendants"
So, you're telling us now that it was the curse on Adam which there is no tangible evidence on that if truely Adam really existed that is causing living thing's death.
If your bible you will refer as evidence, pls don't quote.

I already told you
"God's promises is not for all but people having faith" so if you can't see yourself as one of the beneficiaries of awaiting blessings for obedient mankind no one has the right to force you in there!

The problem with most of you guys claiming "atheists" is how you pretend to be OK with your assumptions yet seize every opportunity to chat with others regarding their beliefs.

You don't believe that there could be anything else after our life on earth so it's OK you're free to hold such opinion and no one is forcing you to change it, but the funny thing about you is trying to change what others believe yet you have nothing to present in replacement of what consoles them other than frustration!

AntiChristian:
King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible says it is likely this verse is not genuine

Excellent!

Backlaw406:
Resurrection?
Under my foot

That's what God promised mankind but since you're not interested there's no problem just live for the moment and expire you have nothing to loose.
If you can't see yourself in that picture {Psalms 37:7-11, 29; 67:6-7; Isaiah 11:6-9; 25:8; 33:24; 65:21-25} no one has the right to force you in there!

LordReed2nd:
It isn't trolling to point out misinformation. You are free to believe in your favourite Hebrew/Jewish myths all you want but the instant you add misinformation into the mix, you step into the arena to be challenged with hard facts.

Anything that makes you feel good my friend!

Backlaw406:
I don't believe anything about dead, once you dead, you end, you gone and nothing more

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's exactly what God's word said about the dead:

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

The only hope the Bible gives us regarding our dead loved ones is a resurrection:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands! Job 14:13-15 compare to John 5:28-29

Masaudmuhammed:
That's So so true.
many Christians they're confused!
BUT ONLY GOD KNOWS TRUTH!!!
In a (1)word (The Christianity Is a Scam)

There is no doubt that false religion is a scam but do you care to know the one and only true religion or you're only supporting the one handed over to you by your parents the same way many around you are doing?

Backlaw406:
Bunches of fools and confused all over here.
Ones is saying "judgement immediately".
Others are saying "the spirit will be roaming about.

You though what do you believe about your dead loved ones?

suicidesheep:
You're the dumbest fool to ever argue, who is the atheist professor and d sister. You fabricated that story and it doesn't even help in the conversation. You personally tell me one thing your god has done for you

Typical of senseless atheists!
My God promised me that during a time when faithless people are killing one another due to racism and politics {Revelations 6:3-4} he will provide for me a global family of peace loving worshipers who will never raise weapons against their fellowman nor learn war anymore {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and Jesus taught me how to connect myself with this global family {Matthew 19:27-29; Mark 10:28-30} you stupid atheist going up and down quarrelling with everyone out of frustration, now tell me what you could ever have that you think i don't have?

Meanwhile you have failed woefully to present a better explanation than your superiors in the field of science. They don't know why we grow old despite all their research it all ended up in a mess as they can see that human body cells always replace itself yet we do grow old, get sick and die just like other creatures.

My Bible tells me that it's the curse on Adam that's affecting all his descendants {Romans 5:12} so since you don't want to accept what God's word said and you and your superiors are stuck in your stupid research, what is your worth as a human?

Ochelyko1:
Yes As the Spirit give me Grace. Yesterday I went with some Brethrens to Okere prison to share the word of God with the prisoners.

Do you preach to everyone irrespective of their religion?

desiredhome:
Slave........see where greed had landed you (MUGU fall guy man eat)..... with all the churches, tithe, seed etc you've been paying yet your country is the poorest in the world.......

Sorry, it's not his country rather the country he lives (presently) if he relocates to another he's no longer a Nigerian by citizenship except by birth!

Ochelyko1:
Am sure you don't understand the word you underline. Am not saying I don't care for people. I care for them especially those in the house hold of Faith. But I don't care about other people "RELIGION" Jesus Christ was hated by the scribe and Pharisee because He doesn't care about their religion. As long as the religion is not connected to God Almighty.

Same with me, I don't care about any other religion bcus I know they are not connected to God Almighty. Reasons Jesus Christ said he is the Truth, the way, and life and that no one can come to the Father except through Him. Jesus is the only way to the Father and as such who ever that is practicing religion outside Christ is already on the wrong way.

Hope u get it now?

Do you go (uninvited) to unbelievers in your neighbourhood to share what you have (faith in Christ) with them?
That's what i meant by CARING for them not you joining them in their religion!

cornelboy:
How about you make your brain intact first?
God of the bible didn't create evil. Men did.

Perhaps this would have been of help:



God created everything and when He looked at His WORKS it was PERFECT! Genesis 1:31

So who CREATED evil on the planet God made PERFECT?
Well the answer lies in that verse:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness" Genesis 1:26
Surely all other creatures don't have the idea of creating anything so they've remained the way God created them, but humans with the ability to create (like God) are the ones responsible for evil.

When God said He created all it doesn't imply that He purposely created evil rather He is assuring His servants who may feel threatened by the evil men can do that they shouldn't be scared because there's no evil that's beyond His power to undo.
Let's take the case of Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar and the three Hebrews for a study.
This King thought FIRE is destructive and since he doesn't know the CREATOR of fire and heat he feels he could use it to threaten everyone, but to the greatest of his shock three Hebrew youths felt no threat at the sight of his furnace. Nebuchadnezzar even tried to instill more fear in their hearts by telling his officers to make the heat more intense.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, just imagine you're present that very day as Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah (Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego) are being carried and thrown into the fire, everyone could see that the heat alone killed those carrying them but what did the CREATOR of FIRE do?
Well He turned the heat to Air-conditioner so that Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah were walking freely inside the fire!
Then King Nebuchadnezzar was forced to bow before the worshipers of the CREATOR of heat and Cold! Daniel 3:1-30

Lesson learned!
JEHOVAH is the one to be feared because no evil can come from anywhere that's beyond His control! Psalms 23:4
He is the grand Creator who knows everything that constitute good and evil therefore He could say to his faithful and loyal servants:

I am the CREATOR of all things, be it the good or evil you can see so have no fear because i am with you! Isaiah 44:8

Good morning my brother!

The first question to ask:

Are the organizers of C.A.N. ordained by God?
Because if not there's nothing they can do to curb the activities of fake pastors.

LordReed2nd:
My thought is all human relationships follow the same pattern based on the personality constructs involved in the relationship. Being a religious person doesn't mean you know how to sustain good relationship or that the weakness of your personality construct won't present a challenge to your relationship. The most important thing to realise in a relationship is you are flawed humans trying your best to make it work.

I love it when you come around to reason like a normal human instead of trolling just to make jest of people's believes. Don't you see how sound this makes you look?

Now this is what relationship in Christianity is all about. When God created the first female and introduced her to Adam the first male his reaction shows that Adam really appreciate what he saw {Genesis 2:23} this means before going into any relationship you must take a careful look at the man/woman you want to engage in this long journey.
As a man, are you really attracted to her?
As a woman, will you always feel him as your king? This is very important because based on feelings both genders differ in nature: the male always want to be RESPECTED while the female always want to be LOVED! Ephesians 5:33
When this is settled the only vital part that you may not feel is necessary due to your own opinion presently is FAITH, they must first agree on who should have the final say regarding how they must continue to deal with each other.
That's when the third person "GOD" is really needed in their matrimony, if they both agreed to put GOD first in their marriage it will be extremely difficult for anything to break that cord! Ecclesiastes 4:12
Hobbies, dressings, food, house chores, raising children, families and friends will not be given undue attention as they both stick to each other till death part them!

MRSAWEDOFF:
According to African tradition... The above are spirits of the ancestors who come to earth once in a while to entertain their living relatives

They have tried to fathom something out of what they heard and saw in their own time so if there's God somewhere He will surely appreciate them for taking the initiative to think about the condition of their dead loved ones!
You though what is your believe about the dead?

MRSAWEDOFF:
According to African beliefs, when one dies, he or she wonders in the land of the dead till their living relatives perform certain burial rites.... Then they are granted access to become ancestors

They have tried to fathom something out of what they heard and saw in their own time so if there's God somewhere He will surely appreciate them for taking the initiative to think about the condition of their dead loved ones!
You though what is your believe about the dead?

Ochelyko1:
Christainity have the only objective way to proof that our God is one and there is none beside him. I don't care to know about any other person's or religion. But from my experience in life is only in Christ Jesus you can know the only true God.

The underlined!
Caring about people is part of what Jesus meant when he said "you must love your neighbour as yourself" {Mark 12:31} but when we feel there's no need to reason along with what others believe of course that's exactly the same way they will feel towards us! Matthew 7:12

So true Christians takes special interest in the people living in their neighbourhood, we strive to reach them by all means just as our heavenly father extended His loving hands towards us in that while we're yet sinners Christ died in our behalf {Romans 5:8} so if you truly want to exercise faith in Christ Jesus your must exert yourself vigorously to reach out to your neighbours that's the command Jesus gave us. Saying you don't care is not good enough from Jesus' standpoint! Mark 7:7

God bless you as you make the needed adjustment and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
John 5:28-29
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.
Daniel 12:2
[2]Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.
Revelation 20:11-15
[11]And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide.
[12]I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books.
[13]The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.
[14]Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.
[15]And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Don't you think that the Bible teaches about a specific judgement day where people that had died will be raised by to life from their grave and be judged?

And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment, Hebrews 9:27

The above verse and many other statements made by Jesus like the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is what most of them misinterpreted for instant judgment after death. In fact they feel most people are already in their imaginary Hellfire now!

Well thanks to JWs today because that's what disturbed me for years too though i found it unreasonable for a just God to begin tormenting people simply because they failed to grasp what He wants them to do and the most confusing part is when you listen to how each religion fabricates their own story about this Hell. I kept searching for a better explanation and at some point i almost opted for atheism but that really worsen matters as the atheists had nothing reasonable to say other than criticizing religion, they just have no solution to the matter at hand.
But when i found the JWs it was like someone took me by the hand out of the hot weather and led me to a cool stream where i got a satisfying drink of clean water to quench the thirst that's been killing me softly. Psalms 23:2-3
Now i can explain better thanks to JEHOVAH the true God!

LordReed2nd:
LoL! Yeah no we wouldn't be interested in forming a cult. Bwahahahahaha!

Jesus Christ said any other school of thought will fail to think alike {Luke 11:23} that's why all these so called religionists can't figure out how to be orderly and well organized like Jehovah's Witnesses. You will need security operatives to threaten you with weapons like beasts otherwise you will start robbing one another in the absence of such.
So if it takes a cult to be orderly and well organized without fully armed security then it's profitable to be a cultist! Matthew 10:25

suicidesheep:
You really are an idiot if that's your answer. Why are people if different height then. You don't seem like the kind of person that this is before typing/talking

He loves variety!
Height, skin color, shape all these makes life beautiful my friend. That's why each man and woman can choose the type we want.
I remember one of your stupid professors in atheism who asked a similar question only to see how low is IQ.
This 75 years old atheist was a wealthy man before his death so he told a sixteen old JWs that the young girl is wasting her time preaching about an imaginary sky daddy.
He stupidly picked this topic and our young sister pretended as if she has forgotten what the old man said, then she praised him for the beautiful way his home was painted, the chairs, and other interior decorations.
Your professor felt the young woman is deviating then she asked him:
"But why don't you use the same color for everything in here?"
The stupid old fool said:
"I love the way multiple colors blend and i also appreciate variety"
Then our young sister said:
"But don't you think others would love such things too?"
The stupid old fool still went on to say:
"anyone in his right senses will appreciate variety and not the same color"

Then our sister said:

Maybe God also feel the same way, don't you think so?

That's what made the old man decided to study the Bible for the first time in his life, though he never wanted to study but the little girl proved to be much more intelligent than him so he felt there's something he still need to learn from this young woman that's the age of his granddaughter!

So there's no way you can come up with any question know that we will always be ahead of you when it comes to IQ because we are students of the most intelligent being in the whole universe: GOD!

The best is what God is doing now, He's being right all along, all we need to do is try to see things from His perspective then we will love and appreciate Him with all our heart!

MMWandali:
Please What is the original text or that verse?

A council decided to arrange the scrolls into chapters and verses because when the original writers penned down the words it has no chapters or verses, they added most things to what they found written and made it into verses in addition to what they found in the scrolls.
So when others later discovered they chose not to cause any confusion rather they leave the texts the way the council arranged it but omitted the words not found in the original texts, that's why all these versions omitted verses like Matthew 17:21

cornelboy:
Will judgement take place immediately after death?

Following!

cornelboy:
A stupid question coming from a confused person
You didn't see where Jesus said it's no longer an eye for eye?
You didn't see where Jesus freed the woman caught in adultery abi?
You haven't fully addressed your previous thread but your here creating another one.
You haven't read about the old and new covenant abi?

NO! My brother, please he needs to be cleared of any reasonable doubt of whatever question may come up into his heart.
So even if he refused to see reasons with the truth he can't deprive honest hearted and sincere followers from seeing the light in our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus!

@ AntiChristian.

This is the answer to your question.

God brought the Israelites out of Egypt with a mighty harm and gave them victory over the inhabitants of Canaan so He has every right to impose on them His rules on the land where He got for them.
That's why He said any of their children who chose to rebel against the laws he gave them must be killed through the confession of his parents.
But the Israelites lost the privilege of being God's people forever so God condemned their nation and His spirit left their land.
Now God is no more forcing His rules on any nation since they settled where they are on their own {John 4:22-24} He didn't fight for any nation to secure any portion for them so His worshipers now are the ones who chose to be His own people willingly not under compulsion!
Therefore if any child born to a Christian family decides to be a rebel, they have no right under the human constitution to kill such a child but they have the moral right to shun such a rebel! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

May you have PEACE!

AgirlsNightmAre:
I still don't agree with your last statement
Picture this, they are 7billion humans worldwide......it is true that not everyone will become reconciled to God before Christ comes to execute judgement on the wicked.
As I'm speaking to you now alot of people don't even know Jesus talkless of putting faith in him....they are some tribes that don't even have contact with the outside world (eg. The inhabitants of Sentinel Island) Millions are mentally challenged and handicapped some can't see or hear.......wat will be the fate of this one's? Going by wat you said it means they will be destroyed along with the wicked
But remember God is a God of order not of disorder...........It is unthinkable for the Almighty to act unjustly

Well if you're talking about the deaf or blind there are many preachers and teachers among us who are blind and others deaf yet they're speaking in the language of the deaf and blind to win souls.
As for any island where the good news never got to before Jesus' arrival they will be judged by their conscience but as for all those who had the opportunity and turned it down they are doomed. That's what Jesus himself said not me:
Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. John 3:18

So people without faith are doomed! Luke 9:60

Even the UNRIGHTEOUS who survive Jesus' second coming must become believers before they can be ushered into everlasting life.
No lucky ticket for anyone, only believers will have everlasting life! John 17:3

cornelboy:
Pls next time your responding to my comment, don't mention anything bout the JWs or the 8 men if you can't tell me what your religion is. Just give your comment and go

My brother "Apostates are disguised atheists" the only reason why atheists want to debunk God is failure to humbly agree on right and wrong.
So most of their cohorts disguised themselves just as Satan also does {2Corinthians 11:13-14} claiming they are for Christ yet no evidence of a supreme being in anything they gather to do! 2Timothy 3:5

LordReed2nd:
LMAO! If they see atheists gathering now they will say we are copying them and forming a church.

Of course you will gather like misinformed Churchgoers do but you will never be able to think alike because the only means to make that work is the presence of a supreme being "GOD"
So even if you try to gather it's arguments that will scattered such a gathering.
Don't forget what i told you about my experience when your professors gather only for each to prove himself and by the end of the day each went back to his home without any tangible reason for the gathering!

LordReed2nd:
Well Ghandi did it without your cult.

Which of the Ghandis?

See how low your IQ!


My grandfather (herbalist), Sat Guru Maharaj (Ibadan), Buddhist Monks and many others also claim they won't raise weapons but how many people have they influenced globally?

Jehovah's Witnesses have touched all the nations, tribes, language groups, races from one end of the earth to other end. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

For your information, witches do fly from one place to another using spiritual means yet they failed to sell what they've got to BENEFIT others.

Jehovah's Witnesses have sold it throughout the earth and people from different races have BENEFITED from their fine WORKS.

That's why God's word says it's their fine WORKS that will serve as WITNESS against you people for seeing it yet criticizing what is good! Isaiah 5:20

LordReed2nd:
The correct word is fathom not phantom, abi na the nightmare dey make you see phantom? LoL. I haven't seen you offer any counsel aside for people to come study with your cult.

And after studying some decides to join then vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman again, but to settle all matters amicably! Isaiah 2:2-4

Even the most stupid person on this planet know that that's a great achievement no sane human should ignore!

suicidesheep:
Not surprised at your disgusting comments
Man created God in his own image.
See the nonsense you wrote in d name of defending your God. Better have a good look at yourself

So after his blabbing this stupid atheist vanished like gas when he failed woefully to debunk God's word!
When next you want to jump into a discussion look well before you leap because a true Christian will silence your stupidity with logical reasoning and what you call "KNOWLEDGE" will end up as foolishness! Isaiah 54:17

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