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GodIsDead:
Unfortunately you've revealed that you didn't attend school. So I know you don't understand irony or sarcasm. Let me blow your mind: have your heard about figures of speech?
The only school you ever graduated from was Sunday School
And this is what made me conlude that the Nigerian Government needs to give you special admission to the primary school of your choice. Because it is as evident as the shining sun that you went not to school, and seem inexplicably proud of it.
What does the conditional "IF" imply, MaxDHouseboy?
Like retardéd master, like retardéd slave. Bwahahahaha ha

What is the essence of education?
Do you think it's all about the ability to communicate it the whiteman's language?
Sorry colonization has taken the breath of life out of your system.
Education is about BENEFITS not just info that's of no use!

GodIsDead:
If you want me to believe your God exists, you really need to do better than this. As it is you're thoroughly embarrassing your organization and your religion. And it's sad because I know many sensible JWs

Just present the benefits of your so called freedom, that's all!

GodIsDead:
Of course. Whereas you worship him and kiss his arse, we scrutinize and criticize him because he's not above us

Just as many opposes their kings but can't go to the government house to do anything other than crying and wailing in frustration!

GodIsDead:
Except I never admitted such anywhere. Please show me where I admitted such and shame the devil. Represent your imaginary slavemaster properly for once

Hahahaha, MaxDHouseboy, you were never the sharpest tool in the box, were you?

This is hilarious!
Atheist believe in the Devil!


Well you actually admitted that you're a slave to your body:

GodIsDead:
Gibberish from a religious loonie. Even if I were enslaved to my body (LOL), at least my body is real. You're enslaved to an imaginary fairy tale. There is no possible escape for you. Your fate is a most unfortunate one

And that's why you're here playing hide and seek over what your brain can decipher in what's happening around you!

GodIsDead:
Some things bring benefit to some people, other people see no apparent benefit in said things. And if you think Christianity or your pathetic JW cult is benefitting everybody, then you're as insane as you're illiterate

So how do you think of benefits if you don't stretch your hands to grasp it?
I said it "atheists are psychopaths"
Everyone knows that benefits only comes to people who avail themselves for it!

GodIsDead:
C'mon nau, MaxDHouseboy, wishing me dead already?

Everyone will surely die someday, so I'm not the least perturbed. You need to do better than this

So if you're sure there's nothing you can do about death then why do you expect others who want a solution to join you in your stupidity?

GodIsDead:
But you saw me tag the atheists nau
Bwahahahaha ha. This guy is hilarious

You've got good material for stand-up comedy, I must say. It'll serve you better on the stage than running errands for your imaginary slavemaster in an online chatroom.

WOW!
I never knew ATHEISTS still have business with JESUS!

GodIsDead:
You can keep singing "benefits" until you're blue in the face. Fact is: you can't think for yourself. You live your life to please your slavemaster. That's all. You're a slave to your imaginary slavemaster. MaxDHouseboy

You're a slave to your body as you admitted too so there's no absolute freedom anywhere!

GodIsDead:
I never promised to offer you anything. You're the one who wants to preach God to me. And I'm asking you to produce this God so we know he exists and all you've done is dodge, dodge and dodge

Hmmm. I'm seeing a pattern here

Sorry if there's no benefit in your story how do you think an intellectual will go through all that shit and not curse you for wasting his precious time?

GodIsDead:
MaxDHouseboy you're trying too hard. I know you're God's personal houseboy and you want to run his errands for him, but I have no need for you. Tell your God to show up and defend himself

For your information He is God over all prove that it's a lie by showing a man who has lived up to 80 years but doesn't grow Old.
You will die just as His word says so you have nothing to do about it, continue ranting in frustration yet have no solution to what God declared on all flesh!

LordReed:
There we go, full on daydream mode.

Do you have anything tangible to offer?
Your student is suffering from insanity, try to bail him out. People reason with people but he's demanding response from spirit yet talking to people. Is that not confirmed madness?

GodIsDead:
Why are you so desperate to speak for your God? Or is your God suffering a speech impediment?
Nawa oo. Christians and delusions, 5 & 6

Opening a thread on a public forum and expecting others to comment then turning against logic only to start chasing shadows.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm atheism and insanity!

GodIsDead:
Shuuooo! But I did not press a gun to your skull na. In fact I've been telling you not to bother reading but you can't seem to leave the thread for some reason. I don't need you nau, or are you lonely?

I only came to answer your question but since you said you're not asking i decided to bow out only for you to start singing about freedom that's of no practical benefits!

GodIsDead:
Then produce your God so that we can learn from him. We don't need you
How do you convince a mad man that his mental faculties are failing? You don't have the freedom to think for yourself and if you can't see this singular fact, then you're doing nothing but proving my assertion even more. Can you ever do ANYTHING contrary to what is commanded of you in your holy storybook? Answer: you can't.
How much longer do you plan on making yourself look foolish?
Call out your God for us. You're out of your depth

So by the end of the day you can only resort to childishness.
No wonder you don't have anything tangible to offer!

rottennaija:
Jesus is not the mediator of millions of humans or the great crowd but only for the 14400.
Great crowd is on earth.
Only 144000 are children of God.
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other ancient servants are going to resurrect on earth.
Little flock is 144000 while other sheep is great crowd.
Only 144000 are born again.
The Watchtower organisation is God's channel on earth.
I'll stop there.

And did they back up all these with the Bible?

GodIsDead:
Gibberish from a religious loonie. Even if I were enslaved to my body (LOL), at least my body is real. You're enslaved to an imaginary fairy tale. There is no possible escape for you. Your fate is a most unfortunate one

WOW! I never noticed the underlined!
So Mr FREEDOM is a SLAVE to his body but he's struggling to free others who are trying to break free from enslavement to the body!

Who said atheists have working brains?

And if this one catches someone raping his daughter now he wouldn't pity such a person for succumbing to the desires of his flesh o!

Dtruthspeaker:
You do not need to quote me first before I respond to you. And when an issue has run its course, there is nothing reasonable to further say .

So humble yourself and learn next time don't just jump out of nowhere saying:
"this is wrong" or "that is wrong"
The one and only PERFECT man given to all mankind as our exemplar is Jesus, all others are imperfect!

LordReed:
You have started with your daydreams again.

You only quote me when you're confused but when you see logical reasoning you always disappear!

GodIsDead:
Bros, this analogy no work!
According to your doctrine, your God is infinitely powerful and good. The teacher in your trite analogy is none of the above. So your illustration is false. Your God knows wants everyone to believe in him and he knows exactly what to do to make me believe in him.
Sing another sad song

There you go again with your presumptuous attitude!
Why not ask me what my own God says?
But NO, you want play and at the same time be the referee!

GodIsDead:
Whoever said it was?

Then you shouldn't have asked me to waste my precious time reading it nah!

GodIsDead:
I've modified the topic. Now read the entire post and have a nice day

GodIsDead:
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways", declares the Lord. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts."
- Isaiah 55 vs 8-9

That verse sounds like it's talking of God's thoughts, not God's origins. Another Christian twisting scripture. What else is new? Sing me another sad song

When you quote a scripture you need the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir!
That verse simply means anyone who wants to know God's reason for doing something need to learn from him {Proverbs 2:1-5} otherwise your reasoning will make you feel God shouldn't have done it that way, whereas His thoughts are far far higher than yours.

GodIsDead:
Enjoy your benefits then nau, who is dragging your benefits with you? Hehehehe

That simplifies the whole matter because i pity you as you're loosing out great benefits that anyone could have while you're also pitying me but you can't prove that i'm loosing anything from your end!

GodIsDead:
Stop projecting your frustrations on me nau
I already told you that I don't need your presence here. You're the one who keeps hovering over my mentions like a scorned housewife
I would gladly speak directly to your God except he's too much of a pussy to actually show himself. Is your God suffering from agoraphobia perhaps? Is he shy? He seems to have anti-social tendencies sha - that one is 100% confirmed in your holy storybook

Real intellectuals don't ask of the teacher who taught a doctor medicine rather they go for treatment when they're sick.
So if you know you're OK with what you have there's no need telling others they're missing something yet there's no gain in what you feel you have!
It's the question that called my attention but when you've changed it i told you i don't need it, it's you who changed the topic to freedom yet there's no benefit in your so called FREEDOM!

oteneaaron:
Where has he mentioned that he is trying to convince anyone? Information is meant to be shared - whatever you decide to do with that information depends solely in you. How can you call his words gibberish when you clearly didn't even read it from beginning to end?
After all, what are you as a JW doing online, conversing and becoming "unevenly yoked with unbelievers" ? Isn't that against one of your ever-changing doctrines from your holy 8 men in New York? Do yourself a favor, get your hands dirty and do your own research - but you won't hear.

When we ask you to calm down and learn your arrogance won't allow you!

Now ask yourself what a right thinking person will read all those stuff for without anything to gain as benefits afterwards?
Don't you think it's a waste of time?
For your information, research are meaningless when you can't come up with any practical benefits.
Go and observe the insanes in your neighbourhood you will find out that they're great researchers working really hard on toiletries, rags, wornout shoes and other stuffs they picked up from garbages but why aren't you joining them in their GREAT research?
Well because you're sure nothing tangible will come out of it. The same goes with your useless researches that's of no practical benefits!

GodIsDead:
If I wanted to deal with someone, I'd talk to him directly and not through some second-rate, third-hand source. Is your God too pussy to talk to me?

Well your post is talking to your fellowman here that's why you're becoming frustrated as you can't convince any right thinking person to throw away what they have.
You should have spoken with God directly instead of coming here to type gibberish!

GodIsDead:
Again, your belief is not my pot of soup

Now what makes you feel that the epistle you typed below should be my cup of coffee?

GodIsDead:
Jesus Christ and Lucifer...

The church wants you to believe that they're enemies, but what if they were actually the same? Not only does the Bible itself contain strong evidence towards this, but the evidence also exists in many secret gospels and Christian books that were banned and destroyed by the Church.

Now, why did the Church destroy these so-called "blasphemous" and "heretical" books? Because of what they revealed!

Many of them claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self proclaimed "Light of the World" and "Morning Star" be the same as Lucifer, whose name in Latin literally means "Light Bringer" and "Morning Star"? And could they have the same mission - to set humanity free and ultimately overthrow God?

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I myself used to be a Christian when I was very young and I was raised in a strict Christian household and I remember being taught that Lucifer was absolutely evil, and most people imagine Lucifer as a dark, evil, satanic being with horns. But did you know the Bible actually describes Lucifer as having originated in heaven as a powerful angel of light?

In the Book of Ezekiel, Lucifer is described as powerful, beautiful and wise, but then according to the Bible, Lucifer became corrupt and then led a revolution in Heaven against God. But why? Why did Lucifer revolt against God? Understanding Lucifer's motivation for starting the war in Heaven is key to understanding how Lucifer and Jesus are the same.

Before we unravel the mystery of this war in Heaven, let's take a closer look at the connection between Jesus, Lucifer, and Light. Because the connection to Light is critical and Jesus himself claims to be the "Light of the World" twice:

(1) John 8 v 12: Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

(2) John 9 vs 5: As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Also, in Revelations 22 vs 16, Jesus identifies himself as the Morning Star: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus is self described as a Bringer of Light to the world, and the Morning Star. And as I said earlier, Lucifer is a latin name which means "Light Bringer". And in Isaiah 14 vs 12 - a verse that many Bible scholars believe describes Lucifer, identifies him as the Morning Star:

Isaiah 14 vs 12: How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Now it's clear that both Christ and Lucifer are Light Bringers and are identified as "The Morning Star". But a closer look at Isaiah 14 vs 12 reveals more critical information.

Notice that Lucifer is also identified as the Son of the Dawn or originated in Heaven and was then cast down to earth. Both Christ and Lucifer are described as powerful beings, related to light, that originated in Heaven before arriving to Earth. And in mainstream Christianity, Jesus is portrayed as the Son of God sent from Heaven to Earth to save humanity, while Lucifer is portrayed as the "Son of the Dawn", having falling to Earth from Heaven after starting a revolution in Heaven and attempting to overthrow God. But couldn't these two stories actually be intertwined? Could they be the same? What exactly is Jesus trying to save humanity from? To understand the connection, we have to look deeper at Lucifer's attempt to overthrow God.

According to the Bible, specifically Ezekiel, Lucifer wanted to become God. When the revolution against God failed and Lucifer was cast to Earth, something seemingly strange happened: Lucifer began to tell humanity that they could become God, and this happens in the Garden of Eden.

According to the Bible, the first humans, Adam and Eve lived in the garden where God had placed two important trees: 1) The Tree of Life, and 2) The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God told Adam he could eat from every tree, except the Tree of Knowledge:

And the Lord God commanded him, "You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day that you eat of it, you will surely die."

Now, doesn't it seem a little strange that God would make knowledge forbidden? That detail is going to be important in just a minute.

According to mainstream Christianity, Lucifer was in the Garden of Eden and in the form of a serpent, told Eve she could become like God:

The serpent said to the woman, "Did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden?". The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat from the trees in the garden. But God did say we must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, you must not touch it or we will surely die". "You will not certainly die", the serpent said to the woman, "for God knows that when you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil".

Of course they ate the fruit and did not die, but could they become like God?

Let's look at this deeper. The Bible views Lucifer as a being who desires to be God and tells humanity that they can be like God. The question is, has Jesus ever done the same?:

John 10 vs 33-34: 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”"

That verse comes from the Gospel of John from the Bible

.......but did you know there is a SECRET book of John? [google the lost books of the Bible or the gnostic codices found in Nag Hammadi in Egypt]

What I'm about to show you is absolutely incredible. The secret book of John (or the Apocryphon of John) is a book that claims to contain secret information, and this secret information was so blasphemous that it was declared a heresy and banned by the Church. The secret book of John revealed that it was Jesus in the garden that caused Adam and Eve to eat from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge!

"Jesus said, "as for the tree called the knowledge of good and evil. It is the wisdom of the light they commanded them not to eat from it. However, I caused them to eat".
- The Apocryphon of John

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The connection between Christ and Lucifer here is crystal clear and you can see why this made the church so angry, but it's about to get even more intense. Here, we have another clear connection between Jesus and Lucifer, as well as with light. Then you might be wondering, why did Jesus cause them to eat from the Tree of Knowledge and go against God's command? That brings us to our next connection. Because like Lucifer, Jesus wants to overthrow God! Now, does that sound crazy? Well get ready, because there's a mountain of evidence that says just that!

According to the Secret Gospel of John, God (Yahweh) is NOT the true God at all! He's a liar and deceiver. The true God is actually a pure divine mind that exists in, and emanates a realm of light called The Pleroma, and all things, all being, all creation including us are pieces and part of the "Divine Mind". The God of the Bible, however, is an evil being of chaos and darkness, a false pretender god. You might call him the "Shadow of Light". This evil God created a malformed realm of matter and trapped souls of light into bodies in order to enslave humanity. You see, according to the Secret Book of John, we're all parts of the Divine Mind and the realm of pure light, and that means we're all divine. We are the TRUE God, but the evil God of the Bible took pieces of the Divine Mind, which is what we are, and trapped us in physical bodies as prisons and caused us to forget our true nature, to limit our power and so that we would worship him. And this is all described in the Secret Book of John.

The Secret Book of John says: [the creator gods] demonic forces envied the man, for his understanding was far greater than that of those who had created him and greater than that of the chief ruler himself. When they realized that he shone with light, they took him and cast him down into the lowest depths of the material world. They intended to make him anew. This time from earth, water, fire and wind. Which are matter, darkness, desire. The artificial spirit. This all became a tomb. A new kind of body. They enchained him in forgetfulness. Made him subject to dying."

And the Secret Book of John is far from the only book to reveal that the God of the Bible is an evil being. There are MANY other secret books that the Church banned that say exactly that. In the Apocalypse of Adam, Adam tells his son Seth that he and Eve were originally one divine being that evil God fractured and trapped in matter.

Adam said, "and we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us. Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath, and we served him in fear and slavery."
- The Apocalypse of Adam

The evil God caused Adam and Eve to forget their divine origin. And he knew that if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge, they would begin to remember what they truly are. This is why he made it forbidden and said they would die if they ate from it. But in the Bible, the serpent (or Lucifer) tells them they won't die, but they will become like God. Now, in the Secret Book of John, Jesus says that he is the one that causes them to eat so that they will wake up from sleep-death and be filled with the wisdom of the divine light. According to many of the books banned by the Church, Jesus Christ is NOT the son of the evil creator god (Yahweh). He's the son of the true God, meaning that he's one of the emanations or forms of the true God as we all are. But we forgot our divine nature. He (Jesus) is a messenger from the true God, the Divine Mind. The realm of pure light. You might even call him the "Son of Light", and his mission is to help humanity come to self knowledge that they are divine and escape the evil creator God (Yahweh). Jesus is the Light Bringer sent to get humanity to realize that they are the TRUE GOD and to end the rule of the evil creator God.

Now, does that sound familiar?

This is extremely close to the Bible's description of Lucifer, the Morning Star and Light Bringer, the "Son of the Dawn", or "Son of Light", that desired to overthrow the God of the Bible, and bring humanity the message that they could be like God if they ate from knowledge.

Could it be that Lucifer is actually the good guy here, and the church just wants to portray anything and anyone that says you are god as evil? So they can maintain their power?

In another banned gospel, the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus reveals we come from the realm of living light and are the true sons of God:

Jesus said, "If they ask you 'Where are you from' reply to them 'We have come from the place where light is produced from itself. It came and revealed itself in their image'. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father."
- The Gospel of Thomas

Now, even if you want to discount the books banned by the Church and go strictly by what's in the Bible, you have to explain why there is such a huge difference between the Old Testament God and Jesus Christ of the New Testament. The God of the Bible is a jealous, vindictive, war machine, even in terms of what's described in the Bible.

1. He drowns the entire world in the flood described in the Book of Genesis.

2. He accepts Jephthah's daughter as a burnt virgin sacrifice.

3. He has all the male first born children and animals in Egypt killed to intimidate the Pharoah.

He is obsessed with death and violence. And remember, all that comes from the Bible itself, not the banned books. But Jesus is the complete opposite. Jesus preaches a message of love and forgiveness. In fact, he directly contradicts what God said in the Old Testament!

You have heard that it was said "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5 vs 38-39

The difference between the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ is SO drastic - the exact opposite of each other, that many early Christians and groups came to the conclusion that the God of the Old Testament was NOT the true God. Many of them concluded that he was outright evil! Like the Marcion, Sethian and Cainite Christians. And others like the Valentinians believed that he was a lesser god.

There are so many early Christian groups that came to this conclusion: the Naassenes, the Ophites, the Marcosians, the Valentinians, the Severians, the Marcellians, the Adamites, the Cerinthians, the Carpocratians, the Cainites, the Stratiotici, the Borborites, the Barbeliotae, the Archontics, the Simonians, the Justinians, the Colarbasians, the Apelliacos, the Marcionites, the Cerdonians, the Valesians, the Sethians, the Basilideans..........

It wasn't until the Church established orthodoxy in Rome, and many books were banned, destroyed, and so-called "heretics" arrested, that this view was all but destroyed, stamped out, eliminated. In fact, in another "heretical" gospel, the Gospel of Judas, Jesus outright says that the twelve disciples worship an evil God, that they have no idea who Jesus is, and will lead all their followers astray!

The disciples said to him, "Master, why are you laughing at our prayer?" He answered and said to them, "I'm not laughing at you. You're not doing this because you want to but because through this, your God will be praised." They said, "Master, you are the Son of our God!" Jesus said to them, "How do you know me? Truly I say to you, no generation of the people among you will know me."
- The Gospel of Judas

The disciples tell Jesus about a vision that they've had, that they see people sacrificing animals, and children and committing murder. Jesus then tells them that their vision represents the evil things they will do, the false god that they serve, and the people that they'll lead astray.

Jesus said to them, "You're the ones receiving the offerings on the altar you've seen. That's the God you serve, and you're the twelve people you've seen. And the animals you saw brought in to be sacrificed are the crowd you lead astray."
- The Gospel of Judas

According to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus is making it clear that the disciples have NO idea who he truly is, and that they'll lead the world astray. In other words, what will eventually become mainstream Christianity is wrong! Because what will become mainstream Christianity relies heavily on the testimony of the disciples. And they were absolutely wrong about who God is and who Jesus really is, going so far as to get it completely backwards

So who or what is the true God and who is Jesus? Jesus takes Judas aside and reveals secret knowledge:

"Jesus said, "Come and I'll teach you about the mysteries that no human will see, because there exists a great and boundless realm whose horizons no angelic generation has seen, in which is a great Invisible Spirt, which no angelic eye has ever seen, no heart has ever comprehended, and it's never been called by any name."

And a luminous cloud appeared there. And he [the Spirit] said, "Let an angel come into being to attend me." And a great angel, the Self-Begotten, the God of the Light, emerged from the cloud. And he said, "Let a luminous realm come into being" and it came into being. And that's how he created the rest of the realms of light."
- The Gospel of Judas

Jesus is revealing to Judas that the true God is a luminous Divine Mind and generated a realm of light. Jesus, the Light of the World, and self proclaimed Morning Star, is not the son of the evil creator God, but comes from the realm of divine light. You might even call him the "Son of Light" like Lucifer the Light Bringer's title: the "Son of the Dawn". Looking at what the Bible says, we can clearly see the connection between Jesus and Lucifer in the form of light

1. JESUS CHRIST ==> Light of the World; LUCIFER ==> Light Bringer

2. JESUS CHRIST ==> The Morning Star; LUCIFER ==> The Morning Star

3. JESUS CHRIST ==> Says humans can be like God; LUCIFER ==> Says humans can be like God

4. JESUS CHRIST ==> Caused Eve to eat from the tree (Apocryphon of John); LUCIFER ==> Caused Eve to eat from the tree

5. JESUS CHRIST ==> Wants to end the creator God's rule; LUCIFER ==> Wants to overthrow God

6. JESUS CHRIST ==> Son of God/Light; LUCIFER ==> Son of the Dawn/Light

In fact, the vast majority of the Gospel of Thomas is Jesus communicating to the reader that they are beings of light and can become God if they look within and realize their divinity.

Looking at all this evidence, what do YOU believe?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are in fact the same being, and that mainstream Christianity twisted their interpretation of Jesus and made Lucifer into a villain, in order to make "being like God" seem evil?

Or do you believe in the standard interpretation?

Or do you believe something else entirely?

I'll tell you my position:

Lucifer and Christ, they're archetypes. They're symbols. But they're the same archetype. In other words, Lucifer and Christ both represent the idea of someone with knowledge of what reality truly is, choosing to share that knowledge with humanity, so humanity can become divine. It's the archetype of the Illuminated Liberator - someone who has truly achieved a higher consciousness that has devoted their lives to liberating humanity through wisdom. That is what Lucifer is. That is what Christ is. They are the same archetype. Those that do that: they are Lucifer, and they are Christ.

The message is: Don't worship God. Become God.

And this is of course, the complete opposite of how Christ is depicted in mainstream Christianity, and much closer to how they portray Lucifer, but they make it seem evil.

GodIsDead:
Why do you assume to know the reasons why God does what he does? How are you supposed to know? Does the Bible not state that God is beyond human understanding? How then, can you claim special knowledge of the inner workings of God's mind? Sounds a little arrogant and even blasphemous to me.

There is just one thing that's beyond human to grasp: Where God came from.
Apart from that everything else that's got to do with how he dealt with people has been fully explained in his letter to mankind (Bible)

GodIsDead:
This is one of things that amuses me about Christianity. You claim God exists and wants fellowship with mankind. What is stopping your God from talking directly to people? Why am I obliged to listen to your interpretation of the scriptures? And if you really claim to possess knowledge, how can I tell you're the real McCoy and not just full of shit?

Then you can't tell me to forget about all the benefits i'm enjoying from my invisible Father and God, you'll have to keep your opinion to yourself while i keep mine (including the undeniable benefits) to myself!

GodIsDead:
So you reject the Old Testament?
Go ahead. Let's see what you got

There's a little difference between the Old and New Testament, please present the case you have against my God and let's trash it now!

Please i've got business to attend to perhaps in the nest one or two hours i'll join you.
I really appreciate your concern Sir!

GodIsDead:
As you could see from the content of the OP, I wasn't asking a question. And yes, I did tell you so by changing the topic of the thread
As opposed to what most Nairaland Christians think, you don't have the monopoly on religious discussions on this board. And if you take a good ol' squint towards the beginning of this thread, you'll see that I only tagged atheists in the discussion And I showed you why
This was you merely being disingenuous by trying to create a strawman. I was speaking in the context of religious beliefs and you're talking of the general state of the human being. Pray tell, where's the correlation? Of course I wasn't surprised because I understand how hard it is for Christians to stay on topic
Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It is not evangelical, it does not make promises. It's not even a religion. So, again I ask you: why does there need to be any costs or benefits?
What are the benefits of not collecting stamps?
Tsk tsk tsk. Where did you see anger nau, Max in d house? Lmfao
This thread was culled from the script of a YouTube video, and frankly my intention was to get atheists' view on it. If I conveyed it be a message, then I apologize because that's not my intention. Like I said, I couldn't care less if you want to keep believing in an imaginary skydaddy

I really appreciate people who makes the best use of their freeness of speech but when you cross the boundary by trying to influence other people's beliefs you shouldn't be afraid to entertain thought provoking questions Sir!

LordReed:
Well you do pretend you don't. You are fully umbilically attached to the declarations of your religious organisation.

Wait for your time, if you truly want to chat with me i never run away from you it's you that always run away when you find out that you're not making any sense out of what you're saying!

GodIsDead:
Read your damn Bible. The evidence of his tyranny shines through in the Old Testament. If you're capable of the slightest bit of objectivity, please read your Bible in that manner

From Genesis to Revelation i have all the facts in my head, the book is like a letter from an invisible person who wants to introduce himself to mankind. So it's depends on the way you view matters but if you want to know the reason for some of His actions you can ask me i am one of his WITNESSES!

GodIsDead:
You mean toxic religions like Christianity?

This is where wisdom comes in!
The group name "CHRISTIANS" is derived from the title "CHRIST" given to a first century Jewish carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth who later became a teacher.
For your information he taught his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 9:51-56
So do you really know the TRUE Christians or you've been misinformed?

GodIsDead:
Atheism is beneficial to me. If you think believing in an imaginary being, that you can show NO evidence for, is beneficial to you, then knock yourself out. It's not my business. The difference between you and me is that I don't seek to convert anybody. So shoo fly

Well there is EVIDENCE in the presence of my God, if you want to know i'll prove it to you!

GodIsDead:
These people are completely clueless. They're too blinded by their beliefs to see the tiny bubble they're living in. They know nothing else besides the teachings that their parents and pastors have hammered into their head. They're victims of indoctrination at an early age and they don't realize it

Some of them will tell you that they "discovered the truth" for themselves. But I bet you these people don't know the effect of cognitive bias: they've created a subjective reality for themselves and any information they learn is shaped to conform to the reality they live in. You can even see it in the way Christian apologists debate: where normal people start with facts and evidence before arriving at a conclusion, apologists will start with the conclusion (God exists), then look for any facts that support that position. That's why they will always believe that their religion is the true one out of uncountable religions to exist. It's pathetic and sad really

Well i am one preaching God to you now, am i?

All i'm asking for is the benefits of the info you want others to accept in replacement of what they formerly believe.
I am a Yorùbá man.
An adage in my place goes:

"Bí ọmọdé bá rí oyin á sọ àkàrà nù"

Loosely translated

"Give honey to a child and see him throw away his beans ball"

What this religionists have is the Àkàrà (beans ball) why not let them feel the taste of the honey you're introducing to them first and watch to see their next line of action?

Please without a taste of what you have you can't convince any right thinking person to throw away what he has!