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chieveboy:
I would not say he failed. On the Holy Spirit being or not being with Kumuyi's institution, I would beg to differ on that. As a student of the Holy Spirit myself, you find there is no venture that is not enabled by whatever the church calls "Holy Spirit" no matter how crude or degenerate. Yes!

Its in everything. The difference is in the vibrations. I could suggest you look into other fields of Physics. Physicist are gaining more ground on the subject of the Holy spirit though under different nomenclature.

Of course no imperfect humans will get everything correct when dealing with God's active force but their achievements will prove that they're dealing with a higher intelligent Being!

ireneony:
I'm tired of religion not just christianity.

Of course you will get tired of something when you don't know the benefits.

So what you supposed to find out is the benefits of religion. To illustrate imagine you find yourself in the midst of people who don't know the value of costly currencies but due to the fact that they've heard of people using it to purchase things needed they began rejoicing as the found it. But they don't know it's real value nor how to spend it, do you think any intelligent being in their midst won't get tired of this thing that has become useless in the hands of those who don't even know it's worth?
That's exactly what has happened to religion.
It's like the currency that those handling it don't know the value so when they're having FAKE with them they just rejoice over it but it'll remain useless since it's of no value!

Steep:
So you mean Jesus is a God? Which means you believe Jehovah was lying when he said there was no God with him, when infact John state that Jesus was with God .

The God talked about when Jehovah said none was with him simply means when it comes to worship only Jehovah deserves to be worshiped {Revelations 4:11} Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} and he walked with God before the statement at Isaiah 43:11 was made. So we need an accurate knowledge of God's word otherwise we will be mixing it all up! Romans 10:2-3

Steep:
Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

This clearly shows that Jesus is not the Almighty because he begged the Almighty to save him:
During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7
So Jesus is a God but not the Almighty!

Steep:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and [b]the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/b]
Jehovah witness organization insults Jehovah calling him a liar, when Jehovah said there was no god with him they wanna prove to him Jesus is a god that was with him that even help him in creation.
Bunch of idolaters and truthhaters

The highlighted has flaws that's why other translations rendered this same verse differently.
Jesus was the master craftsman beside God in the beginning {Proverbs 8:30} but he himself was created! Proverbs 8:22
So when God said there's no other God beside Him what He meant is worship belongs only to Him {Mark 12:29 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4} that's why Jesus himself worship Jehovah and told us that Jehovah is his God and our God, his father and our father! John 20:17

Workch:
Because we don't know the origin of life yet is not an excuse for you to fill the gap with your God. It's a fallacy of appealing to ignorance, God of thr gaps to be specific.
Because a phenomenon is unexplainable currently doesnt mea a God is responsible.
It's always better to say you don't know than to fill the gap with your personal God myth. Don't tell your children lies

I'm beginning to think that the reason why you have problems in life is because you lack the ability to think critically

Don't worry your child will grow and when he or she developed critical thinking skills then you will know what it means to have answers to questions having to do with your existence!

Ken4Christ:
If hell fire is a false belief, then Jesus is false. But no one can deny that Jesus came to this earth, died and rose again. And no one talked about hell like Jesus did. Besides, Jesus went to hell so you will not have to go there. Well, if you don't believe, you will still end up there.

Jesus never talk about HellFire, that's the work of mistranslation!

[quote author=cornelboy post=109694098][/quote]OK

killyaselfie:
I am the Solar Calf who taketh the sins of the world away so I forgive your blasphemy. The Kid is the one who eats straws.

Boy, stop taking hard drugs!

sonmvayina:
Whose memory ? Forgotten by who?
The living forgets the dead..nobody talks about Abacha anymore..his breath has returned to God and his body has return to earth. Nobody remembers him anymore...

Because the dead knows nothing, they can't love or hate, neither can they do anything afterwards! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

So at death there's nothing like discovery!

sonmvayina:
What of you die and discover none exist and it has always been you all along..

Workch:
God doesn't exist is not a believe.

Then what do you have to say about the origin of life if God doesn't exist is not a believe?
Remember you must explain to your child how life came about and you will like the child to BELIEVE (TRUST) whatever answer you give!

Inferiority complex is your problem!

Can't you breathe without this so called believers?

Niflheim:
@OP,
You claim that Christianity is about the "finished works" of Christ!!!
Are you referring to CARPENTRY?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, you need to learn Sir!

Jesus the Son of Mary, adopted by Joseph was trained according the craft of his foster father (Joseph)
But when the time comes for him to become the Christ he went to John the baptist and afterwards everything about carpentry came to an end in his life.
He became a preacher, teacher and a miracle worker. That's what makes him the Christ Sir.
So Jesus is the Carpenter, the Christ (changed personality) never had anything to do with carpentry afterwards!

Ever8090:
Your ability to know that he doesn't exist alone, is a proof of his existence..that he has not answered me does not change who he is and what he does,

They are the products of false religion!

When people are taught lies all in the name of God as time goes by they will found out that things aren't working the way they were taught to believe.

The fact that there are many servants of God in the Bible
Some are wealthy, some are poor materially speaking, some are childless, some have children, some had health issues while others were hale and heartily. All this shows that none of the things worldly people cherished is important to God's servants.
So one needs to ask himself:
What exactly do all these people had in common that makes them so precious in the eyes of the true God?

Rosement:
Who cares?

It's OK!

sonmvayina:
What of you die and discover none exist and it has always been you all along..

I thought you often quote the Bible?
How come you don't know that at death man's memory is forgotten? Ecclesiastes 9:6, 10

Rosement:
Who told you your opinion even matters? Do you think I will be bothered if you don't understand? Stop deceiving yourself, you are just a mere human being, nobody is looking for validation from you. Learn to emphasize your authority on your family members and your brothers in faith alone. This is not jw's forum or your father's house, this is a public forum so you are not higher than anyone and you have no authority over others, so think before you type

It's OK we understand!

HELL simply means GRAVE and nothing more!

Before creation Adam never existed anywhere and at death Adam returns to non-existence {Genesis 3:19} the same thing happens to all mortal creatures, at death we cease to exist! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

It's misinterpretation that led most religionists to think God has a business with the dead, but according to His word the dead that never kept Him in their dealings will be forgotten in their GRAVE (HELL) {Psalms 9:17} while those that took account of Him will be remembered for a resurrection! Job 14:13-15

Dis nah biggi tori ~ Wellu Wellu

Ever8090:
Amen and thank you so much...

Because Satan has made a mess of this planet that's why things are hard everywhere.
Most of our black people traveling to oversee countries are selling themselves as slaves just to live a normal life while the rulers are stealing everything trying to secure the future that's not certain for their families. Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9
But if we want to survive all we need to do is make our lives simple {Matthew 6:22-23} death is following greedy people as their hearts are heavy due to the things they see {1Johm 2:15-17} instead of wailing due to the way morality and virtue is declining swiftly! Psalms 73:1-20

So think more about how you can survive this wicked system of things, do not get overly anxious due to materialistic lifestyles Satan is promoting. You will still see many more things that Satan is speedily increasing to draw away good people. What will be our gain if we end up with high blood pressure simply because we want the things our eyes are seeing whereas there are blind ones around us who can't even see! Mark 8:36

God's blessings in this time of the end has nothing to do with those things people see but things as in treasures that only can be seen with eyes of faith! 2Corinthians 5:7

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the sweet fellowship of Holy Spirit be your portion. 2Corinthians 13:12
Amen!

cornelboy:
Lol i get your point.
But let's say he meant the holy spirit, i wan use some questions reset his brain..

Jesus is the one handling the Holy Spirit for now so it will never be dispensed to work with arrogant individuals who don't want to submit themselves to the same line of thought with others.
That's why Jesus said:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

Jesus can't come in the flesh anymore but he will be in the midst of true believers and using God's active force to direct them.
That's why it's impossible for anyone to claim he is a true Christian without a group with which he is connected to Christ because Jesus never promised to work with isolated freethinkers claiming believers.

achorladey:
That is to say ko SORO. I told you I kept it in my cooler

He needs rebooting since he's disconnected from the chord through which others gets timely spiritual food. Matthew 24:45
You will never see him chatting with any other religionists nah only Jehovah's Witnesses yet he doesn't want to submit to those feeding Jesus' sheep.
That's why father Abraham said there is a great chasm fixed between us and them. Luke 16:24-26
The great chasm is nothing else than their heart condition, that's what hinders them from accepting help from the anointed ones!

cornelboy:
I don send the email

Replied yesterday!

killyaselfie:
Yea, I am the Calf that taketh the sin of the world away. Before the Lamb I was, and I will be once more when the earth aligns with the Elohim of the Bull.

Since you're a bull, will you eat straws?
There's plenty of it in the garden in my house!

Rebooting!
Post on 21st but response coming after 4 days as if this same commentator hasn't been replying other comments on this same thread!
Wahala dey for Okpoko!

achorladey:
Make I open cooler
The question was or my question was....
Are the religious denominations manufacturers of the Doctrines like love God and love neighbor?
You can see the lack of correlation with the answer up there
In reality religious denominations and organisations including yours don't manufacture the doctrine of love of God and neighbour
So why does abstaining from blood becomes abstain from primary or major blood fractions? It is to teach your traditions of 8 men and give room for lawless men in your midst. You see how your reason take be?
You answered yes you can only find it there because they equally get it from the source you and I know. The Bible. In reality it is not only in a religious organization or denominations you will find it.
You answered YES, but your reasoning did not tell you a person that decides to voluntary leave the organisation you belong is no longer subjected to your rules and choosing to follow the rules regarding disassociation does not make such person lawless. You added.....
Matthew 28:18 - 20 says what Jesus taught . Compare it what is the bold.
Irrelevant to the question asked.
You answered not my question but decide to use God's word to propagate your traditions of men and what you believe as you state clearly.

Nobody555:
Lol you sure say you get the holy ghost?

You missed his point!
He never said he has the Holy Spirit rather he said he has the holy ghost
So you can't expect the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit from him, it's that of the ghost he called "holy" that will be evident in him!

After their three years in prison nobody could expect Rutherford and his team to come out and continue their work but to the shock of everyone, immediately as they were released they ordered all their members to start a global preaching and teaching campaign that will be carried out from house to house and door to door!
They weren't ready to give in to intimidation of any kind rather they spontaneously swing into action and began correcting all their past errors from the year 1919.
Today it's over 100 years now when Rutherford and his team began this global preaching campaign and what has been the changes?
They have removed all traces of Catholic teachings like the immortality of the soul, Hellfire, Trinity, All good people will make heaven, Sole leadership in religious groups and pagan customs like New year, Christmas, Easter, Birthdays and many more.
Today they have a group of overseers unlike when they began that Charles Taze Russell was their sole pastor.
That's why Jesus keep working with them and they're making improvements because Jesus promised:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

Jesus will never come into a gathering of imperfect humans where each person is after his/her own selfish cravings, his presence means those gathered are thinking of how to go about the work he commissioned {Matthew 28:18-20} only this group gathers for this purpose that's why Jesus keeps supporting them to make progress in gathering zealous and industrious disciples who are ready to avail themselves for the work!

Kumuyi is still doing like Charles Taze Russell who died 106 years ago instead of joining the global campaigners of God's Kingdom he thought he could gather followers and make them active preachers like Jehovah's Witnesses.

After Jesus has explained what is expected of his Apostles to achieve globally they were astonished and screamed "if this is what people must do, then who can be saved?"

Jesus replied:

“With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26

So any sect that's not having the backup of God's Holy Spirit may flourish for some time but it will never meet up with the requirements Jesus gave his disciples. John 15:4-6
Kumuyi have tried but it's not his fault if God's Holy Spirit is not working with his plan it is bound to fail!

donjazet:
Hmm

Real intellectuals don't speak about race rather they are open minded.
Your write-up is flawed due to your conclusion about Africans. The problem is not about any book or slavery, it's a global phenomenon but Africans are most affected because our leaders were chosen by those who wants to exploit our land.

cornelboy:
Priests and kings will be choirs in heaven

You can now see the reason why Jesus referred to them as "GOATS" while he called his own true followers "SHEEP" Matthew 25:31-32

The nature of these two animals should help any honest hearted and sincere individuals to decipher what Jesus meant by that parable.

GOATS are creatures that doesn't recognize or familiar with submission to headship while the SHEEP will not make a single move without the order from those taking the lead.

So if someone could say those Jesus said were CHOSEN from the earth {Matthew 24:22} to be his co-rulers in heaven {Revelations 20:1-6} will only be there as choristers, how do you expect such a person to give them the proper recognition Jesus expected anyone who wants to be a citizen of God's kingdom gives them?

Well that's why Jesus said they will depart into everlasting destruction because they failed to RECOGNIZE his brothers who are working tirelessly to organize his earthly subjects! Matthew 25:31-46

In fact Jesus referred to such ones as workers of lawlessness because they disregarded the arrangement he set to unite his followers as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

Most of them hate me like die because of the way and manner i often substantiate why any true believer must be submissive to those taking the lead among God's people! Hebrews 13:7, 17

EnemyofGod22:


Here we go again,you said Adam and Eve has sinned against the holy Spirit,

Before Adam and Eve was created, almighty God knew they are going to sin against him,why did he have to create that powerful tree of knowledge of good and evils in the middle of garden knowing fully well that they are going to eat it ?

When satan was trying to convince eve to eat that tree of knowledge where was God ?

In the Bible we read how God sent his only son to come and die for our sins,why don't God just kill this Satan and end human suffering once and for all ?

If God can send Angels to come and guide and prevent Adam and Eve not to continue eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,why God didn't send the Angels to come and prevent them not to eat it from the beginning ?

The highlighted is a misconception!

People assume so many things that God never said about Himself. Before He created Adam and Eve, a thorough study of the Bible proves that God didn't know they will turn out to be rebels! Genesis 6:5-6

sexy74:
This kumuyis issue should be a case study.
Sincerely I would ask one question does truth change?

The problem Kumuyi is having presently is inevitable because the foundation of the church was faulty.
When Jesus returned in the year 1914 there were many religious groups claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but none of them had the mind of Christ {1Corinthians 2:16} the religious bodies that could have won Christ's love are those whose overseers are like a body not one man's church {Proverbs 15:22} but all those having such bodies have so much developed their doctrines on falsehood to the point of no return. The Roman Catholic, Anglican and many others have teamed up as denominations none of them wants to be mocked for making amendments in their teachings so Jesus' statement back in in first century came to reality the type of FAITH God's Son commissioned back then is no more on this planet! Luke 18:8
So Jesus began visiting different groups of people and then he found a group that called themselves "The International Bible Students Association" headed by one Pastor Charles Taze Russell. This group are researchers working on truth they are able to discover through their diligent study of God's word but there is a problem: they all depended on whatever Charles Taze Russell concluded during their research!
That's why Jesus calmly worked with them for some time until the death of Russell two years later.
Then who will lead this group? There was some struggling between those taking the lead in this group and they have to go to court then a winner emerged in the name of "Joseph Rutherford" all these is unchristian so Jesus allowed the head of this group and his cohorts undergo the test of FAITH. They were arrested and sentenced to jail that same year!
But after three years the court decided that there's no substance reason to jail them and they were released. Surely Jesus was the one behind such a punishment not the American authorities that has signed up for FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, SPEECH AND WORSHIP!

So how come this group later became the world's number one organization of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word having millions of fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholars?

I'll explain later!

There's nothing like FREETHINKERS because we humans are influenced by things we see, hear or feel.
Our feelings controls only 10% of what we do while the remaining 90% is based on what we see and hear. Before anyone can claim to be a real freethinker his actions must depend on 99% of his feelings not things he heard or saw others doing!

cornelboy:
Lol

Do you know that i often enjoy my time on this forum because it gives me the opportunity to know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are taught what is benefitial others are just languishing in self deceit! Amos 8:11
Just imagine the 144,000 that Jesus himself told John that they will become kings and priests in heaven {Revelations 20:1-6} someone just opened his mouth and said "they're just going to sing in heaven" and this same person wants to correct a global organization of competent Bible students on what the Bible really teach!

killyaselfie:
Sleep is for the mortal.

The real lamb sleeps when he walked the earth! Mark 4:37-38