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Wilddove:
Christianity is all about the finished work of Jesus christ the author and finisher of our faith, the hope of our glory. in other words it's the act of imbibing in the teaching of Jesus christ, trusting in his mercy and grace with the hope of being resurrected just as he resurrected from the dead. -to imbibe in his teaching simply means receiving in, his teaching in our mind and making it the standard for our lives.--to trust in his mercy and grace is to always bear in mind that whatever we are is not by our power or our righteousness, but by his grace and mercy upon us. --hope of resurrection is the sole aim and motivator of our belief. the bible said that 'the earnest expectation of the righteous awaits the manifestations of the children of God', the bible also said that 'eyes have not seen neither have ear heard what the lord have prepared for those that loves him'. in summary christianity is all about love. love for God and love for our man.

Everything you put up here is more or less a form of THEORY before any listener/reader.
When you talk about a concept and you want people around you to perceive what you're saying since it's invisible, you must present a PRACTICAL APPLICATION that's visible and the BENEFITS derived through such application.

Your claim of being a Christian the back and forth journey to Atheism shows you have nothing PRACTICAL to back up your assertion.

Jesus said:
"by their FRUITS you will know them" {Matthew 7:16-18} fruits comes from trees so Jesus is here telling us that there are visible WORKS to prove that you have FAITH or not! James 2:18-26

So all the groups on this planet whether religious or irreligious will have some form of THEORY upon which their gathering is built.
All schools of thought whether believers or unbelievers surely have their own THEORY.
To atheists life began through a Big bang and they're prepared to build their line of thought around this theory since they can't see God. But for those claiming believers life begins because God is the cause of creation.


After the THEORY then we need a PRACTICAL APPLICATION that will show what we have in mind, this is what will help us to relate with our neighbours since we have different hobbies. In this aspect Atheists try to hide under scientific discoveries but this is a LIE because many renown researchers who discovered the things we're using today all believe in the existence of a creator!
So only religionist have something doing to show that their theory is practically applicable.

Then we come to the last part which is BENEFITS. There are thousands of religious groups on this planet claiming they know God but all of them failed with the exemption of one group proved that their THEORY yields BENEFITS through it's APPLICATION.
That's the one and only group belonging to Jesus of Nazareth (a first century Jewish carpenter who later became a teacher)
So if you've not known this group you will only make fruitless assertions like the atheists and misinformed religionists around you, your THEORY won't produce anything worthwhile!

ifyken:
Every child is born an atheist until people like you get their hands on them

Before i came to Nairaland i often respect the atheists because they seem intelligent to me but with my few years on this forum i know better now!

For your information humans are born without any information in our brains, everything we know today e.g language, reading, writing including feelings like fear, love, joy, peace, jealousy, hatred are imputed as we grow.
So whether you believe in the existence of God or not it's part of the information you received while growing!

oteneaaron:
The OP asked first.
Why don't you try answering any of the five questions...

They came again to Jerusalem. And as he was walking in the temple, the chief priests and the scribes and the elders came and said to him: “By what authority do you do these things? Or who gave you this authority to do these things?” Jesus said to them: “I will ask you one question. Answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. Was the baptism by John from heaven or from men? Answer me.” So they began to reason among themselves, saying: “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will say, ‘Why, then, did you not believe him?’ But dare we say, ‘From men’?” They were in fear of the crowd, for these all held that John had really been a prophet. So they answered Jesus: “We do not know.” Jesus said to them: “Neither am I telling you by what authority I do these things" Mark 11:27-33

Questions may raise questions so if truthfully the one who asked first is sincere then there's no reason for hide and seek.
There are thousands of sects claiming worshipers of God so if someone singled out one to be questioned then an intelligent observer will ask "do you know a better performing group?"
If you people will not attempt the simple question then there's no need asking JWs five or ten questions!

cornelboy:
Or are you the Jesus of our time?

Apostates are easy to recognize "by their FRUIT" {Matthew 7:16-18} you will notice that he is always furious at standards set by Jesus but at the same time he will never point, present or talk about APOSTASY since that's exactly the group he belongs to. Then you will see him arguing profusely as if he truly love to see pure worship flourish yet he will not talk about groups profaning pure worship because to him all religions claiming CHRISTIANS are approved even the Catholic Church that builds images visible to all eyes and bowing to it are CHRISTIANS to him! Exodus 20:4-5
So what FRUIT is he producing (supporting)?
LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

Please answer just one simple question:

Can you present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses?

Abeg i won sleep!

Emusan:
It's evident you don't understand her post which I'm not surprised because I know you lack simple comprehension.
Where did Christ present better performing group?
We all know this is number one attribute of JWs.

After condemning the Jewish religious system Jesus was preaching and teaching in all his territories and then he presented the better performing group:


"While he was yet speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to him. So someone said to him: “Look! Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you.” In reply he said to the one who spoke to him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother" Matthew 12:46-50

What else do you think Jesus meant when he extended his hands towards those sharing the same line of thought with him?

Rosement:
We accept that there is freedom of religion so you are allowed to preach your belief in peace. How else do you want us to accommodate you guys? Are you expecting us to accept your ill-fated doctrines or invite you to our Churches to tell your lies to memebers or are you expecting us to keep quiet and accept your nonsense criticisms.

We cannot be more accommodating than God, even God drove satan out of Heaven because satan was rebellious. It is not as if you guys are already to repent, you keep criticizing us and you want us to keep quiet. God is wise and He didn't ask us to be fools.

You are a pagan if you don't know what is wrong with the sects claiming Christians but having doctrines contradicting that of your own. That's what Jesus did.
So are you ready to practice true Christianity?
Jesus said his followers will be persecuted not because they're going gently o but because they're speaking against false religions claiming believers in their God! Matthew 24:9

Emusan:
And you want her to criticize masqueraders and witches



So witches and masqueraders are the one handling God's word



I've told you before let me remind you again, until you can tell me the name of the church of Peter, Paul, James I'll tell you mine.

So tell her that Christ CRITICIZED religionists carrying the Bible, therefore if she's against criticism then she's against the Christ.
What Christ and true Christians does is present a better performing group after the criticism.
But condemning criticism is UNCHRISTIAN!

1Sharon:
You were never a real atheist to begin with.

Nobody is born with any line of thought whether religious or atheism we all got what we believe as we're growing!

cornelboy:
Angel michaelia is talking

They thought Christianity is about welcoming all ideas in the name of Jesus Christ!

Emusan:
We should ask you whether WTBTS has ever critized Muslims, masqueraders, witches, Atheists e.t.c

I thought Jesus is the Christ, he never said a word against, Greeks worshiping Zeus nor Romans worshiping Jupiter, he only criticize those handling the scriptures of his God without producing fine fruit!
So tell me the name of your church and the FRUIT you're producing!

Rosement:
You guys might be like masqueraders and witches but that does not mean we are interested in criticizing you guys, even if you decide to celebrate your halloween day, we will not stop you. We are ready to accommodate you guys, as long as you don't go around looking for trouble.

Keep deceiving yourself little girl!

cornelboy:
[color=#000000] I love your criticism about the JWs and Russell. It's kind of ironic cos you reiterated that i shouldn't criticize anyone.[/color]
Have a good night rest

They don't know what criticism is all about but when it's time to do the needful after their criticism their fuel finishes! Matthew 25:3

Rosement:
I see, the faith of another Jesus in another book, not the real Jesus mentioned in the Christian Bible. Wow, so you believe those your so-called brothers are not Dicks and Harrys. Anyway, that is none of my business, you are entitled to your own belief.

We Christians are very accommodating so don't assume we are moved by your beliefs or existence. You are even covered by the law, you don't have to feel inferior or insecure, you are not even the only scanty group in the world today claiming to be the best. If another Russell even wakes up tomorrow and create his own group, we are ready to accommodate him and his members.

Good!
So our own Jesus doesn't accommodate all kinds of people, he is only interested in those who are prepared to give faith everything! Luke 18:18-23

You will notice that you're just arguing based on the general perspective of people around you instead of quoting God's word that's different from worldly thinking! Isaiah 55:8-9

Rosement:
Jesus option is the best. Russell is not Jesus or a worshipper of Jesus so he cannot provide a better option.

Have ever seen a genuine man of God criticizing other religions during public evangelism? And that did not stop people from converting to Christianity. Christians are known to be peacemakers, we preach the word of God with Love by telling people about the Love of God and His works without boasting or criticizing their doctrines. We preach our faith without disrespecting or trying to change other's doctrines. Non-christians only get to learn and know more about the Christian doctrines after they have converted.

I have never seen any Pastor criticizing jw even in the Church. A lot of Christians don't even know that jw exist. You talked about a small number of Christians in a community criticizing and limiting you guys. Is that why you are thinking Christians are concerned that you exist? We are not even moved by your existence, there is freedom of belief and there are several religions in the world today. Another Russell can even wake up tomorrow and create his own religion, some gullible people, even though they will be few will still follow him and even vouch for his religion.

Do you criticize masqueraders and witches in their coven practicing their religion?

Wilddove:
Christianity is all about the finished work of Jesus christ the author and finisher of our faith, the hope of our glory. in other words it's the act of imbibing in the teaching of Jesus christ, trusting in his mercy and grace with the hope of being resurrected just as he resurrected from the dead. -to imbibe in his teaching simply means receiving in, his teaching in our mind and making it the standard for our lives.--to trust in his mercy and grace is to always bear in mind that whatever we are is not by our power or our righteousness, but by his grace and mercy upon us. --hope of resurrection is the sole aim and motivator of our belief. the bible said that 'the earnest expectation of the righteous awaits the manifestations of the children of God', the bible also said that 'eyes have not seen neither have ear heard what the lord have prepared for those that loves him'. in summary christianity is all about love. lo

I'm busy tonight but let's chat some other time on what Christ commissioned back in the first century known as CHRISTIANITY!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
No wonder the GB teaches that after the war of Armageddon and your God kills billions of humans, your first responsibility will be to bury all of the remaining dead bodies.
That is after the birds of the heavens have finished feeding on their flesh.
Only 8 million JWs will survive and the rest of over 7 billion humans will be killed.
From your own publication the Watchtower of 1993 Oct 1 p.19 - - “There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God’s Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation.”
WOW!!

Please go and delete this comment of Jesus:

"Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all. Luke 17:26-27

Perhaps you think Jesus was cracking a joke!

Emusan:
But you said NONE having children....
Oh sorry, I forgot you have problem with English.

OK so you think it's about what happened in the past, shey?
Well Peter and some of the Apostles had wives and children but they regretted having all of that when they have to leave everything behind as they must become BORN AGAIN! Matthew 19:27 compare to 18:18-23
So don't think a BORN AGAIN brother of Christ have anything to do with families except those who are of the house of faith! Matthew 12:45-50
Now do you think any of them have children that they keep as their achievements like your pastors who taught you that you must bear children before been called successful in the faith?

Rosement:
Wow, they are less than 1%

Do you think we're looking for just any Dick and Harry?

Sorry we are looking for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} people who can give everything for the love of our God.
The FAITH we're talking about here is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

oteneaaron:
That's not true oo.
Before MaxInDHouse comes for your jagular.
They are roughly over 200k JWs in Nigeria.

Has the light ever have more people than darkness?
Well for your information, only 8 individuals survived Noah's flood and 3 survived Sodom and Gomorrah.

After Jesus' earthly ministry full of miraculous works, only 500 Jews assembled as his disciples.

So it's not about QUANTITY it's QUALITY!

achorladey:
Yet you go about looking for how to SILENCE me by calling me all sorts of names like apostate, mad, asiere, asinwin, insane. Well you have freedom to keep peddling all those things you mention.

After criticism any right thinking person will ask you:

Do you know a better performing group?
Your failure to present something better is a sure proof of INSANITY!

oteneaaron:
What are you even saying?
It's all about the real estate business.
Just like when they left Brooklyn and moved to Warwick do you have any idea how much the GB made from selling the Brooklyn facility?
Just like they have been selling many Kingdom halls in Canada and in the USA.
This massive Video/Audio center they are building in Ramapo might even be sold to a Hollywood studio in the nearest future.

Your problem is the possessions but you forgot that everything still belongs to the organization, not a single person have personal account having to do with what belongs to the organization.
That's why all your white Apostate friends can't find out where any of our brothers own a personal account other than what belongs to the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Rosement:
There is freedom of belief, so nobody has a right to stop you from preaching you faith but if preaching your faith, means you have to disrespect and criticize other's religion, then it will not be tolerated.

Can you preach your religion without criticizing other religions?
I hope when preaching you will not say anything against any group of people practicing their own religion!
Please FREEDOM of SPEECH and EXPRESSION includes criticism of what you know is wrong.
That's why Jesus was criticizing the religious set-up called Judaism in the first century.
What you should have said is that when you criticize an arrangement you must present a better option! Matthew 12:45-50

achorladey:
Use the bible only to tell me Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B. C. E. accurately. Shikena!
Just try if you can

Which Church you dey go?

oteneaaron:
Leave Pastors of Christendom out of this - their case is a no brainer.
Let us focus on your beloved GB.
After all, your religion claims to be the only true religion in existence today.
Talking about earthly possessions, the GB is currently spending millions of dollars to build a new Video/Audio production center in Ramapo.
Are they not going to heaven again?
https://www.jw-avcenter.org/

And apart from the organization of people that will inherit the earth, whatever they're building belongs to who?

Rosement:
The Jesus you know is different from the Jesus I know, so your work is for your own Jesus, not the Jesus that Christians know and worship as God.

The woman did nothing wrong, she discovered the real God, the Creator of Heaven and earth, she prayed to Him for the fruit of the womb and He answered her. Why not go ahead and criticize all the Godly people that prayed to the true God of Heaven, the Almighty God for the fruit of the womb and He answered them?

I have told you severally that my religion is different from yours, so don't expect me to listen to your lies. Why not continue teaching that your small group your lies instead of forcing it on others or criticizing others. If this is your tactic for getting more converts then you are just fetching water into a basket, as usual.

Woman, just know that there is FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION AND WORSHIP!
So you can't say others shouldn't preach their faith!

There was no tithing after the establishment of Christianity.
As for what you're referring to at Act chapter 2 it wasn't the initiative from God's Holy Spirit, rather it was some rich Christians who suggested that since some of them were rich and many among them were poor, they will like to help the poor among them by selling whatever possession they knew is of lesser importance to them and bring all the money to the apostles, then let the poor ones also sell whatever they feel is of less importance to them and bring all the money so that they can share everything equally.
So if Dangote sold a property worth ₦100 m and a poor man also sold an old pot worth ₦100 by the end of the day both Dangote and the poor man will return home with equal amount of money.
That's why Ananias and Saphiras sold their own property and kept some money back.

After the death of Ananias and Saphiras the arrangement was cancelled!
WHY?
If the news should spread it will sound as if they were practicing occultism. How can a man and his wife leave home joyfully to the church and both of them died and were buried by the church?
Do you think such a story will go down well with the Jews back then who hated the movement?

Of course the arrangement was wrong because those who suggested it never walked with Jesus, so they thought they can eradicate poverty among the Christians. So it was late that those who were with Jesus remembered his statement:

For you always have the poor with you, and you can do them good whenever you want to, but you will not always have me. Mark 14:7

The point of emphasis here is that poor ones will always be a part of the Christian congregation, so the move to eradicate poverty was wrong.

Despite that Ananias and Saphiras were killed by the spirit that goes against divisiveness.
So when the Church makes a decision and you don't like it the best you can do is stay away from their midst because the spirit there may strike whoever goes against what has been decided upon whether it's right or wrong! Matthew 16:19

May you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
LIES!!!
Tony Morris a member of the GB actually has two sons.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6027816581726208/anthony-morris-iii-autobiography-real-truth

So out of 8 persons in the body you talked about 1, doesn't that show you that having children makes no sense to born again CHRISTIANS who believe in leaving everything on earth and going to heaven?
Do you now see why they're not accumulating material possessions as they don't see anyone to inherit it unlike your pastors who says they will make heaven yet they want to have everything on planet earth?

Rosement:
But faithful people don't bear bad fruits, they are not criticists, hypocrites and nosy people.

Just calm down and learn to know what keeps faithful servants of God going first instead of arguing about people who never had faith at all.
In the Bible there were servants of God who never had children and many were even poor materially speaking but they lived by faith.
So Jehovah's Witnesses don't make testimonies about any of what you mentioned rather what interests us is how much you're able to do in the work Jesus commissioned.

Even if you had no child nor material possessions like Jesus so far you're able to do much in the field ministry Jehovah's Witnesses will see you as a fine example.
For your information none of our leaders (Governing Body) have children because Jesus, Paul, and many other faithful BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ never thought of children!

Rosement:
Another testimony, a jw member was pained because he was not promoted but instead a Christian brother was promoted to the position he was eyeing. He felt he deserved the position. You should have understood what I am saying by now, you know the way you jws use to claim you are the best with just empty words and nothing to show. He kept insisting he is the best but you couldn't provide any prove, he was just criticising the responsible christian brother that was promoted. He must have know he did not deserve the promotion but he felt he could have his way but disagreeing, criticising and insulting others.

What was he even thinking, that the company's policy will change just because of him? Most companies only promotes eligible and diligent staffs not incompetent and incapable staff. He was not even the five best staff but he self-proclaimed himself as the best. His boss had to shut him up and ask him to leave if he is no longer interested in working.

He was known to be proud, he was always disturbing others and most staffs had noticed his rudeness and pride before then, they were just tolerating him because they are responsible and cultured. That is the same way, we Christians are tolerating jws because we are responsible and cultured. The shameless guy could not even resign, he had no choice but to bow.

Bearing children, getting or securing jobs has nothing to do with FAITH!
So learn to know what keeps faithful people going first before thinking of how to argue!

oteneaaron:
Oga do your research.
Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 537 CE.
And not in 607 CE as promoted by the JW organization.
This alone destroys the calculation that ends up in 1914.
Have you heard about the "great disappointment"
Do Your Research!!!!

So what is the RESULT of your research?
What has your research produced? Matthew 7:16-18
Jesus said if it's not producing any fine result then it's not the truth.
If you believe in a Jesus that many people are saying history never mentioned him, then what is your evidence that Jesus ever existed?

So it's fulfilment that justifies the authenticity of any information you get not just information that's not producing anything! James 2:18-26