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Steep:
New world is not written anywhere in the bible, stop lying, what positive truth can a lie yield?

With the NWT we have gone throughout the world to convert millions and made them disciples zealously preaching and industrious teaching God's word in their neighbourhood! Matthew 28:19-20

With the NWT we have erased hatred from their hearts so that they no longer see their neighbours as enemies that deserves to die but prospective inhabitants of God's kingdom. Matthew 5:43-48

With the NWT we have taught them never to raise weapons against anyone in the name of racism or politics, so they've vowed never to go to war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4

With the NWT we have trained them to be obedient to the rulers so when others are agitating or protesting against the government whether they call it peaceful or violent protests JWs will not participate! John 17:14-16

With the NWT we have taught them to love their fellow believers exactly the same way Jesus loves them, so throughout the world everyone use to say about Jehovah's Witnesses "they love their members" John 13:34-35

Can you present any good result of your TRINITY? Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

Steep:
Trinity is in the Bible, Matthew 28 vv 19

Now don't start lying, it's not written anywhere in the Bible unless you want to give what is written an interpretation which you shouldn't expect intelligent individuals to accept if it's not yielding positive results in the midst of those believing it! Matthew 7:16-18

Abovebest:
Where did Paul say such signs will end?

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:8-13

The signs served two purposes:
(1) To alert honest hearted and sincere Jews that the promise of Christ has been fulfilled so the door to join in becoming prospective co-rulers with the Christ is opened! Act 2:39

(2) To help in the completion of sacred writings (scriptures)

So after these two purposes has been met then all those SIGNS WILL CEASE! 1Corinthians 13:9-10

Mind you there's nobody who wouldn't like the miracles to continue after all we need it but the truth is that these things happened in the first century for a purpose and after the purpose has been met it's no longer available!

Steep:
where is the word New world translation found in the bible

NEW WORLD! Isaiah 66:17; 2Peter 3:13; Revelations 21:1

Rosement:
Are you so ignorant? Is pest the nickname for apostles of Jesus or followers of Jesus, even masqueraders pester people. "Are Jehovah's Witnesses right about their belief against blood transfusion" is just the title of the thread. If you read the post properly you will find out that it was addressing Christians not jws, the word "Christian" was even specifically mentioned.

Are you not the one criticizing my religion? The fact that your religion is different from you does not give you the right to insult my religion, I am not a fool so don't expect me to keep quiet. This is not your father's house, this is a public forum, you need to humble yourself in public, even if you are aggressive at home, try to be assertive in public. Why are you so mannerless and why are you acting as if you own everyone or you have authority over everyone? What kind of silly word is this, how can you say I am ashamed of the Church of God? I don't blame you, instead of you to be ashamed of devil, you are worshipping him with great delight.

The topic is about the beliefs of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, and you're not one of them so if you want to participate it's OK but then you can't come here to criticize what the group believe when you're ashamed of mentioning the name of your own Church.
The truth Satan is hiding from you is that once you're unable to mention the name of your Church where people are debating on topics having to do with the Bible. It simply means your religion is below standard!
Jesus said everyone will see the light of God's children {Matthew 5:14-16} that's why you're here trying to argue about a global organization known for their stand against blood transfusion. But what is the name of your own Church? Then you become silent {Psalms 115:4-8} as if someone will flog you if you talk.
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
We speak out in fearlessness.
Ours is the God of true prophecies.
All He foretells comes to be.
Come on mention the name of your church (hill) if it's worth standing beside the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses: mountain of the true God! Isaiah 2:2

Abovebest:
You didn't explain 1cor 12 sir?

1Corinthians 12 was written to help those that joined the Christian congregation understand what is happening as they're seeing humans like themselves having different supernatural gifts, so when majority of them thought such gifts is for everyone Paul made them realize that it's for a purpose and after the purpose has been met such signs will end! 1Corinthians 13:8-13

haybeegold:
You still haven't listed any of the LIES yet my frnd

They just open their mouth and close it!
If lies can work so perfectly to the point of removing weapons from the hearts of millions just as it's written in God's word {Isaiah 2:2-4} makes them think like one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {John 17:22} impress in their hearts the love of God and neighbours as they're zealously preaching and industrious teaching in all their neighbourhood, i wonder where the truth is WORKING o! James 2:18-26 compare to Matthew 7:16-18

tctrills:
Just because we don't believe the same thing doest mean you should go the way of maxindhouse.
In all my argument with you, I have been honest. I have depended entirely on what was written in the bible. And I even offered to stop communication if you are uncomfortable.
When your brother MaxInDHouse indicated he is uncomfortable with our communication, I stopped. Till today, he quoting me but I have remained true to me words. Whenever I see his comments to me, I try not to read them so not to get tempted to break my words.
You feel you have wasted your time because I have a contrary view.
Just let me know if you are getting uncomfortable with our communication and I would stop.

Faithlessness is your problem because FAITH is about oneness in thought, that's why all the members of Jehovah's Witnesses believe in fruitful argument which leads to agreement in thoughts {John 17:20-23} but when you're arguing aimlessly then there's nothing to gain from such argument! 1Timothy 6:4

I will never quote you on your thread but when you come to a topic having to do with Jehovah's Witnesses i will quote and correct you. So whatever you think about me means nothing after all i have millions of brothers and sisters throughout the earth that shared the same line of thought with me just as Jesus promised. It's you who can't find a single soul to share your thoughts that's why you're ashamed to mention your church because of fear that a member may come in contradicting what you carry in your brains! Luke 11:23

Steep:
It is not about the word found in the bible, neither does the word bible in the bible

YES! And that's why Jehovah's Witnesses version is named NEW WORLD TRANSLATION OF THE SCRIPTURES!

Abovebest:
You're sounding off point sir

Then Salvation and the Bible is only for the Israelites sir

Did the Early Christians perform Miracles?
Do we still have Miracles today?

Is there any Scriptures that teaches Miracles are only for the descendants of Jacob?



1 Corinthians 12:1,7-13
[1]Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
[7]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[11]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[12]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[13]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The working of Miracles is for everyone sir

We learn not only through the letters but by meditating thoroughly on events recorded in the Bible because it's the handiwork of God's Holy Spirit! 2Corinthians 3:6
If no miracles were recorded as performed by any other race apart from the Israelites and Jesus said:
“I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

Remember Jesus is the person who will approve whatever we ask from his father, here he is saying regarding miracles he is sent only to the Israelites!
That's why miraculous works stopped after the destruction of Jerusalem because the race God promised miraculous works has been dismissed! 1Corinthians 13:8-10
Today the only sign left to IDENTIFY true believers is LOVE! John 13:34-35; 1Corinthians 13:13

Everyone wants a quick solution to his/her problems in a miraculous way but the truth is that God never promised any other race such supernatural signs except the children of Israel:

“I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams, and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy"
Act 2:17-18 compare to Joel 2:28-30

That promise was made only to one race: THE ISRAELITES!

Steep:
The bible teaches that God is a trinity, for example in Genesis 1vv 26 God said let us make man in our image, meaning there was more than one person there.
Secondly, God speak and God performs the action of creation in the bible, and also God inspects and saw it is God, this shows there are three persons here, one speaks, one performs the action and one inspects but all three are called God.

Deutonomy 6 vv4 says yahweh is one yahweh, now the Hebrew word used for one is plural meaning God has a unity of plurality, this wouldn't make sense if God is not a multi personal being.

As for Jesus not being equal to the father, yes it is true that is because Jesus became a man, as a man he is less than God.

Funny enough the word "TRINITY" is not found in all the 31,200 verses of the Bible!

Rosement:
Pest, why do you keep disturbing people? Do you think you can force everyone to believe that you are right or you are the best? You are not superior to everyone so we are not looking for validations from you. Does it make any sense for an employee to judge the ability of equal rank employees? Your judgement and opinions does not matter at all.

You are just crying unnecessarily, the word best is not written on your forehead. You cannot just claim that you are the best with empty words and by criticising others. I also have hand to type so I could have also decided to type this type of nonsense you wrote. You have to understand that I also have reserved opinions about you guys but I am a wise and responsible person so I don’t step on other's right.

Pagan, we Christians, the true followers of Jesus don't argue with people that does not have the same faith or belief with us. We preach the Love of Christ to people, it is after they have converted that we can start discussing the Christian doctrine with them.

Stop misusing words, persecution is the act of harassing or oppressing a person or a group of people, especially because of their identity. You guys are the persecutors because you are the ones opposing us and invading our private space, we are only reacting to your actions. Would you keep quiet, if we Christians start criticizing your religion? Or can a stranger just accuse you of being violent because you retaliated when he attacked you? Don't expect us to accept nonsense, every human being have equal rights. If I create a thread to insult your doctrines because I believe they are false doctrines, would you keep quiet?

The highlighted is exactly what the agitating Jews called Apostle Paul:

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. ~ RSV


For we have found this man to be a pest, stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth, and he is a spearhead of the sect of the Naz·a·renesʹ. NWT

You have settled the matter when you said our own God in JWs differ from yours.
So nobody invited you here the topic said

Are Jehovah's Witnesses right about their belief against blood transfusion?

Since you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you're ashamed of your church, why do you come in here?

Abovebest:
And How can you forget to add the signs that follows Believers?

Mark 16:15-20
[15]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[16]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[17]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[18]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
[19]So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
[20]And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


Does signs follow you sir?

Those verses were added after Marks account has been completed. They're not found in older manuscripts of the gospel account of Mark.

Do your own research and you will found out that the Bible book of Mark 16 ended in verse 8

The truth is that Jesus never said all believers will perform miracles because that gift belongs only to the descendants of Jacob.
You will never find any prophet from another race apart from Israel neither can you find any performing miracles except Israelites in the Bible!

cornelboy:
Wow this enlightening!

All glory to JEHOVAH the source of light!

cornelboy:
Tbh the two times i have discussed with him, i would feel like i have wasted my time and what we argued on is irrelevant.
I could stop responding but me self de stubborn.



Thanks for shedding more light Sir!

The highlighted write-up in blue is our daily text for today!

Satan initiated lots and lots of religious sects to mislead many people, his agents are the ones teaching in such worship centers.
The truth is that due to unequal distribution and mismanagement of the earth's resources coupled with greed in the hearts of many, there will always be poor people in our society. Matthew 26:11
So anybody be it a believer or unbeliever can become a victim of circumstances {Ecclesiastes 9:11} the only solution is God's kingdom {Matthew 6:9-10} until then we just have to manage in any circumstances we found ourselves otherwise we may be tempted {Matthew 6:13} to compromise our faith in God out of anxiety for things we will still leave on this planet! 1Timothy 6:6-12 compare to Matthew 6:25-34

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Janosky:
LGBTQ is a Group/Movement who champion the interests of lesbians, Homosexuals, Transgenders, etc in the western world.

Thanks brother, what i need is the full meaning i believe with that the answer to his question will become obvious to all Bible believers!

The Trinity doctrine is from Satan the devil!
The pagan Roman Catholic Church built there teachings around many false doctrines in which TRINITY is number one.
How do you know when a doctrine is demonic? Well it's simple: such a doctrine will never give you a clear understanding so when the adherents are asked thought provoking questions regarding the doctrine they will end up saying "it's a mystery"

Just ask a trinitarian about his/her god he/she will tell you "God the father, God the son and God the Holy Ghost are/is IMMORTAL"
Doesn't that sound as if the trinitarian has gotten something to hold onto?
But ask this same person about humans and judgment, then the trinitarian will tell you that the human soul/spirit is also IMMORTAL!
Then you'll begin to wonder: if that's the case what superiority does the true God have over His creatures if everyone is IMMORTAL?

tctrills:
First define the trinity. Then define a God. What makes one a God? I don't believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are not the same person but all 3 constitute a Godhead. Each plays a special role in the salvation of mankind.
The Father presides over all.
Jesus Christ is the Creator, Savior and the judge on the last day.
And the Holy Ghost is the spirit among the 3.
Man has a body in the Image of the father and son.
The father and Son have Immortal Glorified tangible bodies.
The Holy Ghost is different. He can't be touched and he can take other forms.

The highlighted!
Only JEHOVAH is immortal, and He is the only person who can make anyone (including Jesus) live forever. Jesus died completely but the Father (JEHOVAH) who is the Almighty raised His son back to life:
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Hebrews 5:7

Do immortal beings need to be saved from death?
The answer is NO!
So only the Father is all in all! 1Corinthians 15:28

tctrills:
MaxInDHouse has continued to quote and do all he can to make me reply to him. As tempting as it is, I would keep to my words and continue to avoid him. We all witnessed his mental breakdown last year. I felt guilty for it and since then, I have kept my distance. Remember he promised to stay away from me. I guess he loves me too much and can't do without me. But it was a toxic relationship so I have moved on.

I have chosen to ignore you and your thread ever since i discovered that the INJECTION of truth has a negative effect in your system.
The same INJECTION was given to all members of Jehovah's Witnesses organization today but it has a positive result that's why we are united in the same line of thought just as Jesus asked his father! John 17:22
So never think i have any interest in you or your faithless cohorts but as long as you're on any thread that has to do with JWs i will quote you and keep reminding you that you're just deceiving yourself because nobody from any other religion can give you satisfying answer to your question apart from Jehovah's Witnesses.

I noticed how your threads are filled with faithless commentators arguing fruitlessly on simple questions that a teenager in JW would have helped you solve but since your reaction to the INJECTION of truth is negative i know that you will still come back to JWs begging for our response as you're well aware that there's nothing tangible in the brains of misinformed Churchgoers!

cornelboy:
What did the bible say or reveal about those that will be in heaven?

As a reward for their faithfulness, Christ’s anointed brothers (BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS) become kings and priests with him in heaven. (Rev. 20:6) All those who make up the heavenly part of God’s family (JEHOVAH, Jesus and the angels) will be eager to see the 144,000 anointed ones receive their heavenly reward. After telling about these 144,000 kings and priests, the apostle John sees something exciting, “a great crowd” who survive Armageddon. Unlike the first group, this second group is much larger and has no fixed number. (Rev. 7:9, 10) They are “dressed in white robes,” indicating that they have kept themselves “without spot” from Satan’s world and have remained loyal to God and Christ. (Jas. 1:27) They cry out that they have been saved because of what Jehovah and Jesus, the Lamb of God, have done. All the while, they are holding palm branches, which shows that they joyfully acknowledge Jesus as Jehovah’s appointed King.​—Compare John 12:12, 13.

This tctrills is a liar who detests what the Bible teaches.
The other time he said he's just hear to catch fun but he supports anyone speaking against God's organized worshipers saying the doctrine is silly:

tctrills:
Sorry seems I did not read it right. The cornelboy got himself trapped in some funny doctrine

And if you ask him about his own Church he will quickly dismiss the question. He ran away from me when i confronted him that the INJECTION of truth has caught up with his deceptive heart so he will continue to hunt JWs as if he has a special interest in God's word but just like Satan the devil who always behave like a snake never read to declare his intentions.

cornelboy:
Their responses are evidence of their hatred for the JWs

Humanly speaking they'll wish JWs to be their friends, husbands, wives and so on but the problem they have with us is the message we bear.
I remember a time my wife and i worked together in the field (house to house) i told the captain not to pair my wife and i at least for the house to house, i prefer going to return Visits with her but brother said we look to good to be sepay.
We got to a house where the landlord was so pleased to welcome us into his big living room due to Trivina's outfit (to match) as we were a couple to admirer.
I quickly grabbed my wife by the hand because she thought the man has given us a green light but as i made the introduction that we're discussing with people in the neighbourhood about God's Kingdom the man said:

"So i welcomed you people into my home for that? I thought you are well meaning people" then his face changed immediately and he began ordering us out of his house.

Trivina asked "WHY?" He replied "because you people are worthless"

Now do you think he hated us in the first place?
NO! Because he was willing to relate with us as if we are his special guests but at the mention of the GOOD NEWS he turned to rage!

Ijaycool:
Ijaycool:1. What is the JW's standing on LGBTQ issues?

2. Does any JW's teaching encourage Holier than Thou attitude?

3. There seems to be an extra attack from JW on the Catholic church, can you tell me what the official standing is on this matter?

(1) I told you NO abbreviations so question 1 will wait until you tell me the meaning.

(2) Teachings help us to know who share our line of thought so it's easier to relate with such persons than other neighbours! Matthew 12:46-50

(3) Christianity was built on LOVE for God and neighbours, all the religions on this planet are looking forward to see how LOVE will flourish in the midst of Christians but due to politics and racism Satan has enslaved all other religions making them kill one another {Revelations 6:3-4} the Catholic Church was built on paganism and they're claiming CHRISTIANS. All these religions protested against the Catholic yet they're all following the tradition of Catholic. So despite the fact that they can't figure out why LOVE, JOY and PEACE is missing throughout the world Catholicism is profaning the name of Christ as they failed woefully to produce the fruitage of faith! James 2:18-26

advanceDNA:
I said only JW
because u always say other body of Christ are not following Jesus except yours because of acts 1 :8 that you are fallaciously claiming is only in your group

Christ has just one body of followers, they are known globally through the love permeating their gathering {John 13:34-35} and they are united in the same line of thought with him and his father! John 17:22
So if it's only JWs that you know having these IDENTIFYING MARK then it means they're the one and only group practicing pure worship that's why the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit is evident in their midst! Matthew 7:16-18

Heaven is not for humans, those that will be called there won't have genders, no marriages and no children. Luke 20:35-36
That's why Jesus told his first century friends who wanted to be with him that the selection will be made by his father! Matthew 20:20-23
In fact none of Jesus' followers thought of going to heaven as a good option because it's in Jerusalem on planet earth that they knew the scriptures foretold {Isaiah 2:3} and that's where they wanted to be with him! Act 1:6 compare to 2:3

advanceDNA:
Identifying mark....??

Maximus....is acts 1:8 the only thing Jesus mentioned in the four gospel to identify those that are his?? Even if acts 1:8 is the only identifying mark of his group...na only JW get identifying mark??

Continue God is watching all of us

It's you who is saying "only JW" because Jesus actually said there will be false religionists claiming CHRISTIANS {Matthew 7:21-23} and false religious leaders misleading many! Matthew 24:11

That's why Jesus emphasized on IDENTIFYING MARK of his own group! John 13:34-35, 15:12

So whoever wants to debunk or dismiss Jesus' statement on IDENTIFYING MARK of his true disciples need to watch himself if he truly love JESUS because that name is heard both far and near but there is lots of contradictions making it difficult for anyone to know what Jesus really asked his disciples to keep doing as their assigned duty!

advanceDNA:
No be only Jehovah witness go inherit God’s kingdom...
you JWs like discrediting other people in the body of Christ and making your self look like you are the only one serving God..
You are already trying to tell the guy he’s not a a true follower of Jesus or God the father because he’s not JW
Last last, God no go judge us by church...

It's not about JW but what Jesus commanded that stands as the IDENTIFYING MARK of his group! Act 1:8

Wilddove:
I gave u my explanations based on ur maturity and sagaciousity, becos i believed u're eating solid food and not milk, but it seems u made no sense out of it. So then Elaborate what Jesus laid down and differentiate it from what i gave you

Jesus ordered his followers to go and make disciples, baptize them and continue teaching them to keep the hope of everlasting life.
Matthew 10:11-13; 24:14; 28:19-20

He emphasized that it will be difficult for Love to reign in their midst if they're part of the world (racial/political system of the world) John 17:14-16

Jesus taught them to love their neighbours like themselves {Mark 12:31} but within themselves they must love fellow believers the same way Jesus loves them! John 13:13-14

They are to become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} so everywhere they meet fellow believers they must treat one another like real families! Matthew 12:46-50

They mustn't support killings no matter how other people feels a Christian must not carry weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

So with all these commandments from their Master, Lord and King {John 15:14} they will be known as a group totally different from all the races throughout the world! Matthew 5:14-16

Well that's what Christianity can mean for you not just FAITH by month {Matthew 15:8} without visible WORKS! James 2:18-26

cornelboy:
Yes I'm. Thanks for the encouraging words.

So you're the same as OkCornel!

Wow!

DZTech:
It was cancelled, how?
Kindly quote the passages.
So...
The Jews never found out?
And the same Jews who stoned Stephen, they needed a good reason like "occultism" to persecute Christians?
Wow.
And the Apostles who prayed before instituting the policy-
They were led by which Spirit?

Do you know where the Bible said they prayed before implementing what those rich brothers suggested?

Wilddove:
What practical back up you need?

There are over 41,000 sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in the name of denominations.
Each of them have practical application of their brand of Christianity.
Going to Church (worship centers) to pray, sing, dance, shout some slogans and pay some dues.
Anyone attending such centers can claim being a Christian since those worshiping there called the place "Church"
But when Jesus commissioned this movement he ordered his followers to carry out a task which inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they called Jesus' disciples "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} So what are the "ACTS" as in "PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS" that you and your co-worshipers engage to prove that you're also one of the "CHRISTIANS"
Remember the group is called "CHRISTIANS" so you must be recognized with the group practicing what Jesus laid down before you can truly claim you belong to CHRIST.
There is no isolation in this case!

Wilddove:
sir, life is a mystery. This unexplainable hatred for God is also a symptom of the forbidden fruit, but the Good news! Is that, Jesus never gives up on us no matter how many time we fail.

This is why you need to know the real Jesus of the Bible not Jesus that Christendom Churches fabricated.
Jesus' blood covers all the sins of only those that believe in him {John 3:16} so failure to believe simply means the person is on his/her own, Jesus' death has nothing to do with them! John 3:17-18