₦airaland Forum

Rosement:
What right do you have to criticize the Christian doctrine? Your jw group is man-made, jws don't worship Jesus as God..

Jesus did not say by their claims but he said "by their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16-18
So can you present the WORKS of your faith? James 2:18-26
Thanks as you reply with scriptures!

OP, perhaps you don't understand what you're reading, the authorities were misinformed that the Watchtower is restricting their members not to join in the military or accept blood transfusion. So the organization has to send delegates to sign whatever document the authorities provided to prove that no member of the organization is forced not to accept blood transfusion or military services.

For instance, some people may give bad report about true Christians that they will deprive their members from having girlfriends or boyfriends. Of course the congregation need to sign whatever document is presented before them that anyone is free to do whatever he/she wills.
It's the truth in God's word that's exerting power over believers not the organization! Hebrews 4:12

It's each person that will stand on what he/she believes nobody is forcing anyone to obey what we found written in God's word! Galatians 6:5

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
God for you. The Torah Led you to Christ. I know a Muslim that the Quran led to Christ. And [s]Paul did not need a book to come to God. Obviously, God moves in mysterious ways[/s].

Paul knew the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (OT) from cover to cover!
The only thing Jesus saw in this zealous Jewish young man was his steadfastness but his zeal was misdirected.
Jesus spoke to him and asked him to go and learn what he need to do from the Christians! Act 9:6
Our own God doesn't work in mysterious ways that's why His friends in ancient times often challenge Him because they knew that there are things He will never do!

"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is? Habakkuk 1:13

Jehovah's Witnesses know our God very well that's why we can fully put our TRUST (BELIEVE) in Him. If He is mysterious how can anyone fully trust (believe) Him?

You think i get your time?

Emusan:
Jesus taught his followers to fast, Apostple Paul reiterates this to show fasting is of Christian, even your lying organization also claimed Christian can fast.

Fasting has only one meaning "Abstinence from food" this is from both Biblical example and dictionary meaning.

No wonder you can't screenshot Greek lexicon or any dictionary here

MaxInDHouse:
Mission accomplished! John 19:30
I purposely came to this thread because of my brother and once he's saved i have no business with you.
All of you should get lost!

achorladey:
But you are through with me and my friends. Which one be this again?
Show me a single verse from the Bible you carry that says the way, the truth and life is a better performing religious organization. I will tell you the better performing group instantly.
Your religious organisation that you use your mouth to equally state is influenced by Satan and members commit sins like other is what you call better performing group.
In the realm of comparison since yours is better, others are good.
Learn.

Emusan:
Irrelevant to the subject matter!
So has Jesus returned?
Has all the wrong being right now?

In other word, God left His word in the hand of the Devil and the Devil couldn't rewrite it to suit himself so that people can see that God is the one who is lying and hate people
Even the Bible is in the hand of millions today yet body like your organization which father is Devil rewriting the scripture. Just imagine if WTBTS are the one in position of Catholicism back then, in short all the Bible will have been rewritten to suit their demonic doctrines.

Mission accomplished! John 19:30

I purposely came to this thread because of my brother and once he's saved i have no business with you.
Emusan, get lost!

achorladey:
Jesus returned in 1914 and has right the wrongs. Correct?
Oya enter Jesus returned spiritually in 1914.

You don't need to strain your brain millions believe that Jesus actually return in 1914 and they have rendered judgment among themselves, set matters straight respecting many peoples. They have beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. They have vowed never to lift up sword against their fellowman, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:4

If you don't believe then present a better performing group!

achorladey:
You go soon enter your usual realm

Shame on Satan and all his agents.
The only thing you can do to change the mind of Jehovah's sheep is just to present a better performing group and since you don't know that then case closed!

Emusan:
Not today, you'll see the hypocrite going back to his vomit soon.
The better performing group you're looking for for more than 20 years before you got baptized and you're still asking for the same better performing group now. Something must be wrong with what you're looking for

Keep crying for all i care!

Jehovah's sheep is safe inside God's sanctuary.
If you don't have a better performing group then get lost!

tctrills:
According to you, the devil, the master con man, father of lies, and enemy to God had the bible solely in his hands for over a thousand years and he did not falsify or corrupt it. You want to believe that the devil is that nice. He even canonized it properly for you. That must have been the devil in his best behavior. If you can believe this I wonder what you wouldn't believe.

LIES!
For thousands of years before the Catholics there were enemies of God like king Jehoakim who destroyed all the books of Moses in the temple simply because it condemns the form of worship that pleases him.
Yet the word of God survived!
Remember what God told Satan about Job:

Then Jehovah said to Satan: “Look! He is in your hand! Only do not take his life!” Job 2:6

Jesus has prophesied that Satan will bring his agents into Christianity and try to conceal the truth {Matthew 13:25} but after a very long time Jesus himself will return and right all the wrongs! Matthew 13:30

So what makes you think that the same God who told Satan what he can't do to Job won't be smarter than Satan in preserving His own WORDS?

cornelboy:
Thanks Sir!

Thanks to JEHOVAH my brother!

These people don't believe in God and they're out to discourage anyone from putting trust in God. Matthew 23:13

A diligent study of God's word has taught us that God often forgive and forget the past errors of imperfect humans {Numbers 14:18; Micah 7:18} surely God is talking about those that committed grievous blunders in pure worship but later made a U-turn not wicked and unrepentant evildoers who will like to silence God's servants sent to correct them!
So if the Catholic Church has practiced paganism in the past what now happens to those living in our time who wouldn't make any effort to change the old tradition?
That's why God said such ones will answer for all the errors of their past leaders! Exodus 34:7

If Russell and his team celebrates Christmas in their time and through the intensive study of those that continue as International Bible Students Association discovered that Christmas is of pagan origin and stopped it are they not different from those who have kept it for centuries and continue telling people it's Jesus' birthday?

MindHacker9000:
All the distress Jesus stated were all fulfilled till 70 AD and Jesus said

22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
29“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Matthew 24:22,29,30 & 34
I have responded to you but you have not given your reason as to why you feel "All the distress Jesus stated were all fulfilled till 70 AD" is a misconception

First of all give a direct answer YES or NO.
Do you believe that Jesus truly lived and said what was recorded as you're quoting it?

achorladey:
you go soon tell am make e dey caerful about me
The same lies you call GRIEVANCES and MISTAKES by your member some minutes ago.
Nairaland do not breed ZOMBIES who do yes sirs to others people post and comment. Learn.
Anyone wey dey police nko wey dey carry weapons? Wetin make dem do?

I'm through with you and your friend tctrills seeing that all your hide and seek tactics has been drained in shame!

The young man said he has found the JW org to be sincere and straightforward so present a better performing group that's what you can do to stop me or any other interested person from following the JWs!

This is exactly what i'm saying!
If you're not a Christian then why are you dragging Biblical issues with those who have dedicated their lives to what is written in the Bible?

tctrills:
That's not nice and it's a bit awkward coming from a JW. First, your brothers on Nairaland believe they are the only Christians and all others worship the devil (one of your brothers told me as much). So it's clear you guys don't believe that there are other Christian. In fact one of your brothers said. You guys don't worship the same god as other Christians.

Also, I think is disrespectful for you to try to walk me out of a thread just because I did not tell you about my church. Learn to be more tolerant. I predicted correctly, you would start to hate me like your brothers. It's not yet 24 hours and you are kicking me out of the thread.

Finally, I have not presented any other religion here. I have only discussed Christian values here.

achorladey:
You don start to dey reason.
The fact that, that religious organisation quote the works of these people who originate with these many religious organization they call false and and lie lie(pidgin) Christians should make you see the big picture. Learn.

You're the one who needs to learn from JWs because we are not saying humans make mistakes in the past but once the light of truth comes we need to make amendments!
If the Catholic Church has improved in their teachings the rest will be story.
But in the place where members from one country carry weapons against member from another country and both of them were blessed by Catholic priests.

My friend even the worst pagan on this planet can read the signs that this religion has nothing to do with Jesus who taught his own disciples to always forgive one another!

cornelboy:
JWs they kill their member?

You will still hear more lies from Apostates!

They just don't want to submit to the truth so they're battle prepared criticize the truth even if it means hiding their faces to promote lies!

Jehovah's Witnesses that must not carry weapons even anyone who is serving in the military must resign from service before you can be baptized {Isaiah 2:4} someone openly declared they do kill their own members!

cornelboy:
They did more evil than good

The truth of the matter is that there were few members of the Catholic who served the Pope wholeheartedly thinking they're working for God.
Such persons were used because they were sincere but the Catholic Church on it's own is pure paganism that nobody can change.
That's why they have not stopped bowing down to images, using rosaries, praying to saints and so many other forms of paganism!

When i first heard of Jehovah's Witnesses i tried to find out their mission and i discovered they have made lots of mistakes in the past but they're fast making amendments that's why i submitted to their doctrines.
Today i can boldly say it anywhere, any day and before anybody that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth if anyone has a better performing group let them present it.
But coming to tell me that you don't know a better performing group yet criticizing the one i have found i'll tell you NO! 2Timothy 3:14

tctrills:
The very bible you use today is traced to the Catholic Church. It was put together 400 years after Christ.
Think of it, every scripture you have ever read came from the Catholic Church. They decided to create a 27 book new testament out of the so many records of the Apostles..
You can't tell what was added or removed.
So it's either you trust the Catholic church completely or you find an alternative to your bible.

This is a lie!

The Catholic Church started after the killing of all the Apostles and the Apostates who wants power over others formed alliance with Roman priests. Because they prefer prominence to the truth they welcomed all the ideas of the Roman priests, that's how they come to an agreement to marry both!

The Bible has been taken to other places where the Catholics aren't dominating that's why they have to take up weapons in the name of CRUSADES to capture all those having the Bible that has not been adulterated.
They were doing this under the disguise that they're working for God but the truth of the matter is they're trying to destroy all scrolls that can expose their lies.

The killings continued for ages as faithful people who had the scrolls kept taking it far away from Rome but traitors are everywhere because Rome is ready to pay a ransom to anyone who can fish out those hiding the original Bible.

The Catholics added many things and kept so many things hidden from the gullible masses.

It's until England conquered Rome that the bishop also began doing exactly the same thing Rome did just to continue the tradition.
That's what led to the killings of individuals like Tyndale.

But after America declared FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP everything changed, nobody must force any idea on anyone. If you want to translate the Bible add, subtract, divide and multiply America said "since it's God's word let God be the judge"

That's why many people like Charles Taze Russell began making research to know what exactly the original Bible teaches!

achorladey:
Mr straightforward answer the question. I don't need the examples you keep parading.
This your Imperfection card no go work. I don tell you before. Supporting killings is not my problem. Jehovah’s witness kill another Jehovah’s witnesses. It is a known fact.
Killing alone is not the only criteria to determine how peaceful a religious organization really is. Learn learn and don't sell oversensitive or Imperfections here. It won't work. Your law of love that many prominent members and those you call profess members commit all sort of atrocities upon . Many indeed cannot abide by such law of love so they take their leave and when they do you call them APOSTATES

Your evil mind can't be hidden!

An individual whether JW, RCCG, Deeperlife, MFM, Catholic, Anglican, Foursquare, ECWA or any other can loose his/her sanity and carry a weapon to take laws into his own hands.
But only Jehovah's witnesses know that we must not support such a move.
All other religions don't have any rule restraining them from supporting either side!
That's what leads to WAR!

An Hausa/Ibo/Yoruba man killed a man from another tribe knowingly or unknowingly that's inevitable as long as we're still waiting for God's Kingdom to come. But taking sides is what Jehovah's Witnesses will never support.
No other religion impressed such in the hearts of their followers yet when we talk about 'love for neighbours' everyone will raise up their hands claiming they know what Jesus meant!

achorladey:
The point under consideration was has Jehovah’s witnesses never kill another Jehovah’s witnesses raising weapons in doing so?
A. Yes
B. No.
C. Simple and straightforward
D. It's just a mistake and grievances
E. Supporting or not supporting it is not my problem, organized or disorganized is not my worry.

See what i'm saying!

David killed Uriah, Paul killed Stephen but the point we want to bring out here:
Did Jesus teach us to support in killing people?
Of course due to imperfection a person can get overly sensitive and kill his fellowman but Christians mustn't support killings.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses know this that's why we have PEACE in our organization!
If you're not ready to abide by the law of love you're free to take your leave!

achorladey:
Good and that Jesus laid the groundwork for doing so give you right to keep calling people APOSTATES anyhow simply because they don't dance to your tune .

Nobody asked you to dance to anything here, when you vow to live by the same standard with others but you turnaround and start criticizing the same standard yet you can't present a better option that's what makes you an APOSTATE!

achorladey:
The below is from the same Apostle Paul.....
Romans 14: 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Apostle Paul is talking about Jehovah's Witnesses who are prepared to continue abiding by the same rules, we mustn't shun a fellow believer simply because he doesn't view matters the same way we do.
But your case is different:
You're not ready to submit to any teaching binding on believers, if you do tell me the church you're attending presently because we know that there are thousands of conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings out there!

achorladey:
Learn learn learn you no go learn. Selfrighteousness no go allow you.
The one thing you like doing is passing names, tags curses labels and insult for no single reason. Heartlessness begins with calling people all sort of names, abuses because they do not dance to your tune.
Those Catholics and others you accuse of killing one another are as HOLY like God and they don't do mistake or have grievances like your likes. I was already waiting for you to hide behind IMPERFECTIONS . Oga dey proofread wetin you dey type before posting. . Don't play Imperfections card for here. You no go get that kind allowance Members killing one another in your midst are in disorganised settings . The common denominator still remains una too dey kill fellow members. Baba e bo le ni be. Jehovah’s witnesses don't have to carry the card of political parties or be called racist to kill one another. The politics dey[b] do in their midst every day and their activities shows racism and ethnic bias and clashes exist[/b]. You can choose to deny. Evidence is all around you. Choose to close your eyes.

Simple and straightforward:
Jehovah's Witnesses don't carry weapons to support killers, that's the import of what we're saying here!

achorladey:
You are not Jesus when Jesus says so, he has all the AUTHORITY to say so. Do you have the same authority? No! Even Jesus didn't just go about calling people or saying people belong or come from their father Satan .
That is to say even Jesus' disciple no get one line of thought with their master . The remain part of the post are your narratives that still did not change the simple fact that the members of your religious organization don't have one line of THOUGHT.

Jesus laid the groundwork for his followers to call Apostates "agents of Satan!" 2Corinthians 11:12-15

achorladey:
You said your members are hypocrites and you look them with suspicious eyes because they don't have one line of THOUGHT. You need evidence?
Tell us has a Jehovah’s witness never killed another Jehovah’s witness before?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I keep mute
Where is the hatred in a member attacking another fellow member at your convention ground immediately after concluding a meeting lasting +/- seven hours? Are those ones not taught not to raise weapons against another?

You keep displaying your heartlessness on this public forum!

Who told you that people don't kill people due to mistakes and grievances?
But we are talking about organized settings where people of the same religion will carry weapons in support of oppositions and start killing one another!
That can and will never happen among God's people after Jesus' fervent prayer to his father. {John 17:22} because anyone who plotted to kill another person won't get a single supporter among Jehovah's Witnesses unlike members of other religions that will carry weapons in support of a person in the name of RACISM or POLITICS to kill their fellow believers!

achorladey:
We know that same line of THOUGHT is not in your midst the reason you MaxInDHouse call some of your members HYPOCRITES and even say you look them with a suspicious eyes. Keep peddling your lawlessness by trying to deny it.

Do you think Jesus never knew that Judas was stealing from the group's pus?
Well he knew but even though Judas's love for money made him committed a grievous blunder he (Judas) will never raise a weapon against anyone. That's why his conscience couldn't let him spend a dime from the money the Pharisees paid him for betraying Jesus to them.
Note that those coming to witness against Jesus aren't just strangers who don't know him. Of course they were formerly with him before they turned their backs {John 6:66} yet their conscience never made them feel any remorse. WHY? Because they left his teachings unlike Judas who kept attending meetings with Jesus throughout.
So even when we have members who cherishes money more than the truth, their continuous attendance at the meetings would have killed the racism in them, because brothers like Paul the apostle will always remind those like Peter that racism is no part of Christianity! Galatians 2:11-14

achorladey:
The fingers you point at others is equally pointed at you intently and your religious organization. Their numerous contradictions over the years are hiding away and it was others see that eventually made them what you call APOSTATES. We know you don't like people bringing them to this platform. Your body dey quick hot when you see am

The God which is described in Exodus 3 which you denied did not set up that religious organization you yourself call man made
Learn!

The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis also claimed they're worshipers of the God of Moses but Jesus identified them as Satan's agents! John 8:44

achorladey:
That's what happens when you keep placing unnecessary remarks and embargo on. People, you have to keep watching your back and suspicious and suspicion everywhere

Hope you've seen that your Catholic Church aren't united in the same line of thought?
When intelligent people sense dangers in teachings you people just think we're setting rules for everyone.
To be united in the same line of thought implies that all those concerned agree on terms and conditions which will never give a room for hatred talkless of raising weapons against one another!

tctrills:
I noticed one of your JW brothers asking you to be careful of me and I laugh. He might be right though. I would always tell you my opinion even when it's saint your religion.
I would ask you questions and if you are a fanatic, you would end up hating me like that your brother.
I would continually ask you to prove your point from the Bible.
I see you after a few debates getting to hate me like that your brother.

I don't hate righteousness, what i detest is when lawlessness joins hands with hypocrisy! If you're here to criticize God's word as an atheist i'll welcome you with open arms since you don't uphold any form of teaching, but when you come in to criticize organized form of worship yet claiming you also believe in God and you're not ready to present a better option then i will call you "an agent of Satan" because that's the only Bible character who wants everyone to be independent of organized form of worship! John 8:44 compare to Genesis 3:4-5

cornelboy:
I'll like to go and read about Apostates.
It's not their modulus operandi, just that we all are different from each other.
Everyone should learn to be cool.
But the fact is the truth of God should be one, not different beliefs out there in Christianity.

The highlighted is the bone of contention.
Different sects claiming denominations in Christianity with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines doesn't mean anything to them as long as all the different religions lay low underG but against the group standing tall above all {Matthew 5:14-16} they are battle prepared to criticize with all their vigor.
What really baffles me is the way they hide under the none-denominations stuff yet they're out to criticize doctrines.
To illustrate, let's take the countries in the world as examples of different sects and their constitutions as doctrines.
If you ask any of these lawless men to speak of the country of their choice they will spend the whole day telling you how one country's policy is fair to all concerned but when it's time to talk about God they don't want to hear anything call rules.
How can someone say he doesn't belong to any country yet he wants to criticize countries punishing offenders for going against their constitution!

Lawless men hiding behind Satan's system in the name of DENOMINATIONS!

Jesus Christ is one man and he prayed fervently to his father for all his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so whatever opens a door for contradictions is of Satan the Devil, that's why lawless men love that system where they'll switch freely from one doctrine to another depending on whatever soothes their liken {Matthew 7:13-14} but at the same time they want to claim they're still worshipers of the same God with the religion they disowned!

When i ignore you it's because there is no one around that needs to distinguish between true believers (sheep) and disguised unbelievers (goats).
But today i will respond to all your posts because of the interested one (Cornelboy)
Matthew 18:6

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse and his usual narratives
Just like you claim to believe in God and Christ
That's why their worship to that supreme being is in spirit and in truth
Reality says many submit to that supreme being and criteria for submitting to that being does not require setting up a church and orgnized religious denominations scattered all over the world.
Dedicated religious members of the Catholic Church are united in thought regarding right and wrong. Do you then regard their supreme being as AUTHENTIC? . You go run now.

This is a LIE!
Catholics in one country often carried weapons to KILL fellow Catholics in another country, this shows they are NOT UNITED in thought regarding right and wrong!

achorladey:
The last time I checked MaxInDHouse is not Jesus he goes about peddling lawlessness and calling others workers of LAWLESSNESS based on nothing or simply they do not dance to his tune.
Full mode of operation Awon workers of LAWLESSNESS peddler.

Workers of lawlessness needs to be exposed!
If you're not one of them please present a group of people or religious organization with which you're bound to the same line of thought regarding right and wrong!

achorladey:
Are the religious denominations manufacturers of the Doctrines like love God and love neighbor?

Actions speaks louder than words.
When Jesus said "love God and neighbours" he only summarized over 600 laws given to the Israelites in just one phrase.
So why was this two laws extended up to over 600? Well it's to help figure out lawless men in their society back then but since many Jews have gone to John the baptist to present themselves as willing Jews prepared to live by God's laws without being pestered. Jesus simplified things by giving them a summary of the whole laws!

achorladey:
Do I have to find such teachings or doctrines in a religious denominations or organisation?
A. Yes
B. No

YES! Matthew 16:6

achorladey:
Do I look like a lawless person or must I submit to the rules of religious organization or denominations before I get called a lawful person?

YES!
Because at baptism a candidate signified with his action that he's prepared to start a new life living by the rules and regulations of the group that baptized him just as baptismal certificates approaching John knows fully well that they're prepared to surrender willingly to all the laws binding on fellow Jews.
So when Peter said "get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" {Act 2:38} he is implying that his listeners must surrender to all the rules binding on Christ's followers {John 15:13} and anyone found disobeying be EXCOMMUNICATED! 1Corinthians 5:8-13

achorladey:
When people leave the religious organization you belong following their policies to stop associations with them are such persons lawless or carrying out lawlessness?

YES! God's word says we must not greet them again {Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11} because they've proved to be unfaithful after knowing what is good and vowing to live for the rest of their life in harmony with what they've learned {Ecclesiastes 5:4} their turning makes them worthless from the viewpoint of our Master Lord and King! Luke 9:62

achorladey:
Answer and let your words hit you back following your numerous antecedents here.

I have answered using God's word as the basis for what i believe. Can you also do the same instead of talking about what i believe?
Please present what you believe using God's word to substantiate for us to know why your submission is of God!

On faceless social media like this many claims they're believers in God/Christ but it takes real intelligence to expose them as wolves in sheep's clothing.
The first thing about a true believer is acknowledgement of a Supreme Being and if anyone acknowledges the supreme being then such a person can't be isolated in faith, you must have fellow humans (beings) like you who truly submit to that Being you revere as Supreme, that's why a church or congregation is required. The authenticity of your revered Supreme Being is how all adherents are united in thought regarding right and wrong {John 17:22} in the absence of that then you can't truly claim you believe in the Supreme Being because the fact remains that you see yourself as supreme independent of any form of restraint. That's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23

Of course Satan's agents will disguise as children of God {2Corinthians 11:14} but deep within them each don't want to be submissive to any God because they see themselves as Gods {Genesis 3:5} hence they open a large door for iniquity (lawlessness) {Matthew 7:23} it's like they're on a broad road so they can switch from on lane to another freely! Matthew 7:13-14