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Truvelisback:
I'm yet to know their reasons for justifing this foolishness as faith. How can my only child be terribly sick to the point of death and my blood will be needed to save my only child and i will now decline to do so? Isn't that foolishness?

So another human being that can die at anytime is now yours shey?
Well Abraham wanted to kill his only son just because his God asked him to do so, perhaps Abraham must be stupid for obeying that spirit demanding the life of his only son! Genesis 22:1-5

These are the descendants of Abraham by faith so don't expect them to cherish anything more than their relationship with their God, if obeying their God will cost the life of their only child they are fully prepared to obey their God!

Do you remember Jephthah?

Well his lineage ended when his only child was dedicated to his God so that Jephthah's daughter remained unmarried and died living no descendants to continue bearing the name of Jephthah! Judges 11:1-40

I know the way you're feeling because faith like what we are reading in the Bible is not what all people can exhibit {2Thessalonians 3:2} so just forget about this people because their righteousness is from their God, that is their HERITAGE! Isaiah 54:17

Myer:
Does calling God by YHWH, JEHOVAH, LORD, ADONAI, etc determine ones answered prayers?

Jesus' prayer should answer this question for us:

Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you! John 17:1


I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

Do you think God rejected Jesus' prayer?
If you don't then find the group in whose midst Jesus' prayer is granted today then ask them the name they are calling the God who is making Jesus' prayers work in their gathering.

“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word" John 17:6

"I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them" John 17:26

Simple as ABC

haekymbahd:
but why use the word "beget" when you can use "unique"

There is difference between creating something and giving birth to something..

To the Trinitarians begotten son means begotten God do you also have the school of thought ..

The RSV version of the bible has removed the word "begotten" and called it corruption of the bible

Allah SWT said:
"He neither begets nor is born,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 3)


If you say God "begets" gave birth to Jesus, then you should answer who gave birth God..

My friend don't give yourself headache over what you can easily solve!
God promised that in the last days He will use His Holy Spirit to gather people from different races and certain things which is impossible in the gathering of imperfect humans will become possible {Isaiah 2:2-4} that means if you can find such a group today whatever they say about God is indisputable because there is evidence that God is in their gathering! Zechariah 8:23

Jesus is God's only begotten Son according to God's word but since there are many different religious groups claiming believers in the Bible yet contradicting themselves then the only way to know the group that God has revealed the truth to is by looking out for the group that is fulfilling what the Bible says about God's will in our time!

haekymbahd:
There is nothing like only Begotten son of God..
The word begotten was a corruption used by Trinitarians to mean Jesus was a begotten God.
It has been removed from the RSV version
How did God give birth to Jesus, did Jesus called himself begotten son?
Show where God called Jesus is only begotten son?
Mind you son of God is a metaphorical term, it was also used in the old testament to refer to isrealites (righteous servant)..
God gave birth to no one.. Jesus was a son of God just as beleivers, angels, Adam are sons of God. The role or rank might be different.
Psalm 82
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.

The "only begotten Son" means Jesus' sonship has a totally different from unlike all other intelligent beings having the attributes of God Jesus was created directly by God Himself! Proverbs 8:22 compare to John 1:1; Colossians 1:15-16

God refers to all intelligent beings as his sons even when their birth came through sexual reproduction but Jesus' beginning totally differs: He is the one and only creature God made singlehandedly that's the meaning of the phrase "only begotten"

sonmvayina:
The writer of John doesn't say, I'm John the disciple whom J-s loved, its just the opposite. In John 21:24, whoever that writer is, says that he's getting his information he can trust is from John the disciple who J-s loved. So the author is saying, I'm not him and many people miss that.

Each of the writers are doing so under the inspiration from God after decades of the events. The gospel account of John is the last inspired book written in the year 98 c.e. two years after he wrote the Bible book of Revelations. There was a reason why God's Holy Spirit moved the old man to pen down his own account of Jesus' life and ministry:

(1)Unlike other gospel writers John was with Jesus throughout the ministry, He was a disciple of John the baptist before that one told him that Jesus is the Messiah and instantly he left his former teacher and began following Jesus! John 1:35-39
(2)He was always enthusiastic about whatever happens so that he is the first to witness so many things! John 20:3-4
(3)Jesus so much love him that he always include John anytime he wants to reveal certain sacred secrets to few of his closest confidants! Matthew 17:1
(4)Peter caused a confusion that needed to be corrected before all the eyewitnesses die off! John 21:20-23

But by the time John was writing his own gospel account all his fellow disciples who first joined Jesus' group were dead so he felt so humble that such a privilege shouldn't be his own to see the many things that Jesus promised! Revelations 19:10 compare to Revelations 22:20-21

That's why he humbly kept his name away from continuous mention in his own account of Jesus' life and ministry.

TheTrueSeeker:
Who was this man, Jesus Christ, and why was so much written about him?

I'll advise you to study the Bible with his modern day disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) through my diligent study of God's word with them, thorough meditation and fervent prayer to the true God i discovered that Jesus is God's only begotten Son! John 3:1

falcon01:
FALSE Religion is filled with Madness! Don't you see the similarities between you'll and Pagans?

No Sir it's false religion that's misleading not pure worship, do you see any scriptural backing for the OP's assertions? Act 17:11

house10s:
isn't better than the angel u don't know.
stop following stupid adage

How do you come about such wisdom?
I really envy your understanding!

house10s:
amen.
how much u charge per prayers?

You're not far away from the knowledge of God but all you need now is humility because you've just proved that falsehood can be easily detected by any right thinking person!

MightySparrow:
You were a soldier, right,? You should know the difference between classwork, theory and research battle. In a a school curriculum, academic and real practice are not the same. I had a Muslim friend who was always coming first in CRK, He is still practicing his Islam today. So many professors of Christian religion are next to atheists. So Christian practice is different from works of professional teacher.
I am a trinitarian, yes, I don't use RSV, except to check things atimes for various views. I like KJV. So mentioning God by name or title, to which, does Henot respond?

Now you are talking like a real pagan!

First of all is the Bible a textbook that should be studied like a subject or manual that needs to be fully understood for the student to be fully competent and completely equipped as a man of God? 2Timothy 3:16-17
Listen to yourself "a Muslim (one who does not believe that Jesus is God's Son) coming first in Christian Religious Knowledge" {John 14:6} and you are here saying it without remorse!
Well i just wanted to enlighten you that without JWs people can read the Bible but will never gain the accurate knowledge of God! 2Timothy 3:7
If truly you are a believer in Jesus Christ ask yourself do you think that Muslim truly deserve the grades the world gave him if what he learned never affected his understanding of God's son? John 17:3
That's what studying with the right version like the NWT and true Christians JWs can mean for you! Once you've not studied the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses i know you don't have any knowledge about Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son) surely the world's philosophers called your Muslim friend best student in the knowledge of God's word (Bible) but to JWs your friend failed woefully if he never became a believer in the only begotten Son of God (Christian) after all the learning. The Ethiopian Eunuch discussed with Philip within a couple of minutes and instantly begged to be baptized as a Christian! Act 8:28-38
Now judge for yourself do you think the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis (who keeps studying God's word throughout their lives but never became Christians) had the ACCURATE knowledge of God's word?

That's why i always say that whoever is not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can't be a real Christian!

LordReed:
Check the source yourself, where they got the data is linked.

Data when there are billions of atheists hiding their resolve compared to less than 9,000,000 claiming JWs.
Try to use your brains now?
How many people are out playing in the streets on Sundays without going to churches?
Or how many don't practice any form of worship at all?
Do you think they shouldn't be counted along with atheists?
So go back and do your statistics well because in the real sense there are more atheists hiding amongst Churchgoers, Muslims even in the gatherings of JWs but afraid of publicly declaring their resolve.
Even here on Nairaland, how many do you think is known in their neighbourhood as atheists if not here on FACELESS SOCIAL MEDIA?

LordReed:
I posted the source of those statistics, I am not a storyteller like you.

So where is the evidence that the source is truthful?

Janosky:
It is abbreviated at Revelation19:1-4 ,6 (RSV).

You know the book of Revelation is NOT easy for Trinitarian devotees to understand,they fellow Trinitarian devotees place an abbreviation of JEHOVAH in verses they know their fellow 3 doghead slaves wouldn't readily check.
Can you count how many times they have peddled the FALSEHOOD that JEHOVAH is not in the new testament?

My brother, the churches of Christendom wanted to use the RSV to unite themselves but their plans ended up in the trash when most of their church choirs began using JEHOVAH to sing in their churches. Meanwhile the verses that were added by trinitarians to support their teachings were all removed since the body working on the Revised Standard Version aren't in support of any denomination (as they often refer to their different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines)
So verses like Matthew 17:21 which many do quote to support their ritual hunger strike they called "FASTING" was removed.
Verses like 1John 5:7 that trinitarians often use to support trinity was corrected.
And so many other dubious additions but since they are hypocrites they all gave their consent to the mass production of RSV to be used in schools.
I used to wonder why many don't ask questions regarding those missing verses in the RSV but they want to condemn the NWT when that one did exactly the same thing their hypocritical leaders did with the RSV!

LordReed:
JW divorce rate is 9% while atheist divorce rate is 2%, make of that what you will.

I missed this while on my way to work, but it's really really funny the way you just fabricate things and think it will be useful during fruitful discussions

MightySparrow:
And you are sure everyone is using RSV: the topic?

That's the version approved by the churches of Christendom to be used for CRK in schools, so that anybody can teach CRK without indoctrinating any child towards liking or hating any church.
Since all Christendom Churches unanimously agreed on the title LORD and GOD in replacement of the divine name, they thought the RSV will be the best so the scholars can choose any church of their choice after all the interpreters of the RSV are members of all different sects. That's why most students who thought they have Bible knowledge through CRK in schools found it strange that God has a PERSONAL name!

hupernikao:
Heritage of turning scripture upside down? I agree.

When people turn something upside down it will not work out as it supposed to be, JWs are the one and only group of worshipers yielding positive results globally:

©They have turned millions into zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word! Matthew 28:19-20

©They have erased racism and politics from the hearts of millions globally! Mark 12:29-31

©They have removed weapons from the hands and hearts of all their members worldwide! Matthew 26:52

©They have settled all racial disparities within their own gathering and that's what is causing wars throughout the earth! Matthew 12:46-50

©They have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

©They are the one and only group of people that everybody knew have the type of bond that's strange within them! John 13:34-35

©Their the one and only group having the same line of thought regarding sacred matters! John 17:20-23

So if you now say they're turning scriptures upside down we know that's exactly what people said about their Master, Lord and King! John 10:20

He foretold that the world will hate and despice his true followers just as they did to him! Matthew 10:22-25; John 7:7; 15:19

Surely they are turning what all of you fully understood but can't make anything positive out of it upside down, that's why all these things are peculiar only with their group!

hupernikao:
Okay. I have done my part.

It's our heritage so when we are talking about it try to learn not argue, that's why you can't present any group or organized people having that type of faith today!

MightySparrow:
Give a version without Jehovah.

Revised Standard Version!

MightySparrow:
I am not talking about him, I said 'I'. Let him give such version, I will look for it.
In this case, I am a Thomas.

No wahala, we are the ones going to preach to them in their homes, many do ask us "who is Jehovah?" Some are amazed when they found it in their copy of the Bible but in some Bibles like the Revised Standard Version the name JEHOVAH was replaced with the title LORD throughout. But it was the Revised Standard Version that first convinced me that what the JWs are saying is true because the KJV only used the name JEHOVAH @ Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4
The NWT replaced that name throughout, the Revised Standard Version removed it completely, KJV used it in four places then i agreed with the JWs that surely anywhere other versions use the title LORD it's the divine name that's supposed to be there.
Now there is a problem!
@ Psalms 110:1 David distinguished between two persons one capital LORD and the other Lord, the KJV used LORD @ Joel 2:32 but the same prophet was quoted @ Romans 10:13 then instead of using the capital LORD to help the reader KJV used "Lord" so that the reader won't know that Paul was quoting Joel's prophecy!

Then i was fully convinced that the NWT that replaced the name "JEHOVAH" is the right version i will be using!

PeaceJoyLove:
Good luck to JW.

We don't even believe in Mammon (the god of good luck) ló bá tán!

MightySparrow:
I have read almost all versions of Bible at my disposal online, offline or hardcopy, partly or whole several times. I have not found one where jehovah is not given a mention, possibly those stand alone New Testament.
This is why I am surprised about the topic.

The below commentator got two likes showing you that at least three followers haven't seen Jehovah in their Bible!

Yippeedaniel:
Jehovah isn't even inda Bible. The Tetragrammaton isn't Jahova.

hupernikao:
Its the way you read it. I will give you a better way to read it. Is just same English we read daily but most times when we read it in the Bible we read away many things and read our mind.

Daniel 3
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.


In proper English, the IF NOT, is to follow the IF IT BE SO. That means the IF NOT, should be referring to IF IT BE SO.

That is how things are read in all lexicon even computer language. You cant change that rule when reading English Bible.
When you have IF, you will then have IF NOT,

So, your interpretation of IF NOT, must fulfil the IF IT IS.


Looking at the text

Verse 17
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us.

Observe their assurance - ABLE TO. They arent mincing words. They are sure,


IF IT BE SO
The if it be so, is referencing what Nebuchadnezzar said he will do. That is, even if he doesnt do it.

verse 15
15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, y[b]e shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace;[/b] and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?

The bold is what Nebuchadnezzar said. And that is the reason for their response.


Let me put in a conversational mode/b]

[b]Nebuchadnezzar: If you dont bow, i will throw you into the fire, and your God cant deliver you

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: IF IT BE SO (that is, if you throw us into the fire as you have determined), our God is ABLE to deliver us, and he will DELIVER US.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: IF NOT (If you dont throw us, that is even if you change your mind), we will not still bow to your image.

You should know that it will make no sense saying if god doesnt deliver us we will not bow, because at that point they need not bow again as they will already be roasted by fire if that is the case.

So, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego werent speaking of what they werent sure of, they were sure, GOD WILL SURELY DELIVER, AND STILL YET DELIVER.

Hence, the If not is a further explanation to tell Nebuchadnezzar that whether he threw them or if he doesnt, they will still not bow. Not an explanation of if God doesnt deliver, we will still not bow.

Jehovah's Witnesses (God's people) are telling others about their heritage but you want to argue with them over it, no wahala just quote three different versions and allow others to read and reason for themselves whether the three Hebrews were testing their God or ready to die for their faith!

If it must be, our God whom we serve is able to rescue us from the burning fiery furnace, O king, and to rescue us from your hand. But even if he does not, let it be known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold that you have set up! Daniel 3:17-18 NWT

If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand. even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up." Daniel 3:17-18 NIV

These are the descendants of Abraham (father of all those who are ready to sacrifice anything for their faith) that's our HERITAGE! Isaiah 54:17

hupernikao:
No Sir.
They knew they aren't going to die Sir.

They were so confident that God will deliver them. Nothing in that verses showed that they have a doubt of God will deliver or not. What they said is,

Our God is ABLE to deliver us

That was their statement of faith.

You can't see anywhere in the history of the Bible where a Jews stand in faith with God and still have doubt of whether he will deliver.

Notice well, they said

He will SURELY deliver us.

The rest must be put and read in this Context.

So, they weren't going to die and they knew it because God will surely deliver them because of their faith.

Just quote Daniel chapter 3, verses 17 and 18 from three different versions and leave the rest for the followers to read and reason if the three Hebrews were certain that they will be rescued or they were prepared to die for their faith! Matthew 16:25 compare to John 11:25

Truvelisback:
THEY spiritualize whatever THEY want to do. The funny thing is that, THEY know the truth but THEY just want to spiritualize it to THEIR own belief.

THEY! ~ THEY! ~ THEY! ~ THEY! ~ THEIR!

Thank you JEHOVAH that i belong to the group having the same line of thought regarding THEIR FAITH:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through THEIR word, so that THEY may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that THEY also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given THEM the glory that you have given me, in order that THEY may be one just as we are one. John 17:22

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. THEY will beat THEIR swords into plowshares And THEIR spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will THEY learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4

Did you note how God's word is accurately foretelling what "THEY" will be doing in the last days? Keep speaking against them to your detriment!

hupernikao:
You just quoted Shaʹdrach, Meʹshach, and A·bedʹne·go wrongly now. You imposed your own words into Daniel's statement. You will need to reread the verses and interpret them the way they said it and what they meant. No single Jew will take what you wrong above as true even Daniel himself.

No need for arguments just quote any version and let's see if Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego weren't prepared to die for their faith just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today even when they're not certain that their God will save them from dying!

Truvelisback:
That personal right is foolishness. Foolishness is also a right. Foolishness is also a choice.

Now you have more reasons to detest JWs than before because you tried to organize a conference against us but found out that you have no genuine case against God's people:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW!. Galatians 5:22-23

Calm down my friend you have nothing tangible to say against God's people!

Truvelisback:
If u JW rely on the word of ur God, why do u take drugs,drips and injections in the the hospital when u are sick? U should have ignored taking drugs, drips and injections too.

He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and HERB FOR THE SERVICES OF MAN: that he may bring forth food out of the earth. Psalms 104:15 KJV

That's why Luke was a practicing physician {Colossians 4:14} and Paul admonished Timothy to use medicine for his stomach ulcer! 1Timothy 5:23

But regarding blood we are admonished:

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well. Act 15:28-29 KJV

The emphasis of what God's Active Force and the Apostles concluded is about the sound health of their fellow believers, so if the world's scientists (who don't give a damn about God's word) now introduced blood transfusion as a means of saving life then we will tell them "NO!"

haddeylium:
Hmnnnn!
So, one is greater and one lord obeys the orders of the other?

My brother the bone of contention is that if you ask all these people the personal name of the lesser Lord they will all shout "JESUS!" even though that's not how he was called in his mother's tongue but they are battle prepared to dispute over the personal name of the greatest LORD whose name Jesus himself emphasized as something very very importance:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Matthew 6:9 KJV

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:6 KJV

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. John 17:26 KJV

Yet it doesn't occur to some that they need to know such a name:

That MEN MAY KNOW that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalms 83:18 KJV


Just because His enemies removed His name from the book with all these emphasis some still argue that it's not important.
Ó kà ṣeo!

bobestman:
Chai!
Pele

I'm sorry for you!

Death comes in different ways but the best form of death to Jehovah's Witnesses is that which comes due to keeping their faith!

Listen to few JWs in ancient times:

Shaʹdrach, Meʹshach, and A·bedʹne·go answered the king: “O Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. If it must be, our God whom we serve is able to rescue us from the burning fiery furnace, O king, and to rescue us from your hand. But EVEN IF HE DOES NOT, let it be known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold that you have set up.” Daniel 3:16-18

So Pilate entered the governor’s residence again and called Jesus and said to him: “Are you the King of the Jews?”  Jesus answered: “Are you asking this of your own originality, or did others tell you about me?” Pilate replied: “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?” Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” So Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate said to him: “What is truth?” John 18:33

So they brought them and stood them before the Sanʹhe·drin. Then the high priest questioned them and said: “We strictly ordered you not to keep teaching on the basis of this name, and yet look! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.” In answer Peter and the other apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men. The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.” When they heard this, they were infuriated and wanted to do away with them. Act 5:27-33

Does it look like this people are scared of dying for their faith?
How do you think their contemporaries will view them, wise or foolish?

Well regarding the blood transfusion that you think can save life Google is your friend, check what experts in the field shared on blood transfusion. We solely rely on the word of our God than whatever people say!

Workch:
Well, they will keep shifting the goalpost

Don't mind them jare you go and get the trophy after scoring the goals!

haddeylium:
Brother Max
Yes! They all have a common title. They're are called God.
They've different personal names like you mentioned
God’s real and personal name in modern English is Jehovah just like his Son’s real name in English is Jesus.
That's the name he gave himself
Exodus 3:15 Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation.

JEHOVAH "He causes to become"

When JEHOVAH says He will gather people from all the nations under one umbrella and they will surely call upon His name while other nations call upon the name of their own God Micah 4:1-5
Surely people who aren't part of that setting can't benefit from what the one who causes to become is doing nah and definitely they can not IDENTIFY Him by His name! Matthew 6:9; John 17:6, 26