₦airaland Forum

MightySparrow:
The crime is inability of JWs on Nairaland to criticize others while your GB members now and in the past have made serious mistakes and even committed heaven- insulting sins. These are green in the pages of history.
Your conviction is your own take. Your own take.
In the time of Jesus, there wer already established sects: Pharisees, Sadducees, Hellenes, Scribes,..... So now, nothing is new.

So it's not a crime to explain why i believe the group is right, shey?
Leave whatever happened in the past i don't live in the past but present, what is happening now is my concern!

Janosky:
Numbers 6:27,Hebrews 11:26 Moses chose to be with the People/Group bearing Jehovah's name.
Acts 15:14,17-18, it is Jehovah's servants converted by Jesus, John 9:4/ Acts3:13 & others converted by them, Hebrews 13:7,17.
Isaiah 43:10,21, Jehovah calls them by His name, JEHOVAH's Witnesses.
Revelations 1:1 & Isaiah 43:10(ASV), are the seven Congregations or 7 Churches Jehovah's witnesses?
Study this scriptures thoroughly & receive SENSE

What baffles me is how they want to argue that the seven churches have different opinions about Jesus yet they're still agitating that Jehovah's Witnesses have a different opinion about Jesus.
Doesn't that sound preposterous?
Why can't they just accept that JWs can also be likened to one out the seven churches having different opinion about Jesus?
Why must they be hell bent on changing what Jehovah's Witnesses believe if truly they are sincere with their interpretation of SEVEN CHURCHES?

Kobojunkiee:
Obviously, that teaching was not meant for society at large but for His followers, those under His Law.

So where is the group practicing what Jesus taught today?

sageb:
which organization is that?

I think this man also know the organization even though he finds it somehow difficult to be in their midst!

thinkmoney:
Na u wan dey confuse urself. Bible is there. That should be the sole authority. I swear I am not a JW, but na them they behave like the Christians acts of the apostles describe the most. 2 reasons:
1. If you want to quickly think of people that actively preach. Na them side ur mind go go.
2. Most Christians denominations erroneously, against the clear teaching of the bible, equate Jesus with God the father, confusing everybody. JW clearly teaches that Jesus is the chief servant of God. They even try revealing or reminding people if Gods name.
These are fruits my dear. And it's by a trees fruit you know if the tree is good or bad. One thing that ironically go for them too, it's funny in a way, is that they are one of the most hated people. The bible clearly, clearly, clearly predicted that true worshippers will be hated.

sagenaija:
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This is what I wrote a couple of months ago in response to your insistence on 'group that's practicing Christianity in the right sense':

The truth is that each person will present his own opinion and why he feels something is right or wrong but as long as it's each person's opinion then contradictions will continue to mount and that's what led to countless religious sects all claiming Christian denominations!

That's why people like me always ask whoever is talking about what is wrong to present what is right. Had it been you didn't mention the name of any group but present what you know then anybody asking you for the right group is dubious. Jesus condemned the beliefs of certain groups then introduced the group he wants everyone to join.
Please whoever can't do this is only envious of those he is criticizing!

sagenaija:
You can be sure that I have fellowship with those who share my line of thought and position on the Scripture.
I also contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints according to Jude 1:3.
I equally endeavour to expose the fruitless deeds of darkness as Ephesians 5:11 enjoined us to do.

Good!
So if you feel you're exposing falsehood then you ought to present the group that got things right.
Jesus exposed the:
Pharisees
Sadducees
Scribes
Teachers of the law (Rabbis)
All these groups are claiming they're serving the God of Abraham yet contradicting themselves.
That's why a man could walk up to him asking what exactly he must do to get to God's Kingdom. Jesus first asked him to go and find the answer in the scriptures because according to the scriptures everybody must join the Messiah's group anytime he arrives before they can gain everlasting life! Deuteronomy 18:18-19
But the man wanted to prove himself fulfilled by telling Jesus "i have observed everything right from my youth up" that's why Jesus plainly told him:
Leave politics, forgo the prestige and affluence then come and join my group! Luke 18:18-23

So if you keep going about saying you're exposing falsehood that is commendable but your work is incomplete if you can't present, point, show, direct people to the group that's practicing Christianity in the right sense!

MightySparrow:
Your own interpretation is another thought to study. As you are cork sure of your conviction and pipe it loud and deafening into our :Phearing. Why not keep your conviction to yourselves? You even go to the level of harassment. I am a Trinitarian! Trinitarian!! Trinitarian!!!

Note that it's the OP who mentioned a group and tried to prove that they are wrong. So if a member of that group decides to air his own conviction and what he based his conclusion upon how is that a crime now?

MightySparrow:
In your own response, which other spirit can give life?
Jesus must have been a class of His own, the same material as Jehovah, himself.
If He ( Jesus) created everything, He must be outside His own creation. Phil.2: 6

Whatever you conclude please stick to it and forget about what any other person says since there are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations of the same religion with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines due to diverse interpretation and you're not interested in knowing the group that got things right!

overcomersfaith:
Ask God to pour water on your thirsty tongue, your thirsty land, your  thirsty career, your thirsty spirit, your thirsty relationship, ask God to pour His water upon you today and see your glory restored,  favour locating you, peace resting on you, and your life turn around for good in Jesus Name.

Read more @ https://overcomers-faith.org/i-will-pour-water-upon-him-that-is-thirsty-2/

It's not about thirst for material possessions or career but for hearing the truth of God's word, today there is hunger and thirst throughout the earth but it's not about physical things! Amos 8:11

Janosky:
4 Questions for you:
Luke 24:4 are the two men humans?

John 17:5 & Phil 2:7 did Jesus have that glory as a man?

John 17:24, will Jesus be given back the glory as a man?

Luke 24:25 & Phil 2:9-10,will Jesus enter the glory as a man?

One thing i realized is that most people can't differentiate between envious criticism and a correction. If Jesus resurrected with his human body then what exactly did he give as the sacrifice for the sin of mankind?
Adam brought mankind to this sinful condition but Jesus gave his body to redeem us {John 6:51} that's why Paul said:

So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1Corinthians 15:45

Please ask our friends who did Paul said became a life giving SPIRIT and when did the last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT?

Jesus said there are many things he supposed to tell his disciples but as at the time when they're yet baptized with Holy Spirit they can't grasp it! John 16:12-13

Please my brother let them be, if they have Jesus let them present the evidence by pointing out the organization of people who are like brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and children among themselves because that's what Jesus told Peter as evidence of being on the road to everlasting life! Mark 10:28-30

In the absence of Jesus the only EVIDENCE is an organization of people like one big family, if they can present that then we can talk but if not then each of them should go and worship with anyone having the same line of thought with them! John 17:20-23

Omicron007:
Considering the vast number of Christian denominations in Nigeria today, why did you choose your current church?

Some people are attending a particular church just because they were born into the church.

When Jesus started this religion in the first century many people including the leaders and religious title chiefs in Israel began criticizing Jesus until Jesus and his group were labelled as insanes to be vilified in the society {John 9:22; 10:20} so whoever accepts Jesus' line of thought must be prepared to face the society that's why Jesus told his followers they must be prepared to bear whatever it will cost them to be his followers! Matthew 16:24

Peter (one of his closest confidants) asked him a question and Jesus' reply became something i keep meditating upon for years:

Peter began to say to him: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.”  Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 10:28-30

Everlasting life has been God's promise for the righteous long before Jesus' arrival {Psalms 37:29} so all Israelites believe that if they are found to be righteous before God everlasting life is certain, but since no one has gotten it there must be something that righteous ones should possess now to assure them that they're truly on the road to everlasting life {Matthew 7:13-14} so Peter's question was appropriate.

Now let's consider Jesus' reply!
Before mentioning "everlasting life" which all Israelites were familiar with Jesus told Peter that anyone who has left friends and families to become his disciple will gain hundred times what they lost (with persecution)

This statement keeps ringing in my mind ever since i read it, so i began asking myself:
Where is the group Jesus talked about today?
Which group do people generally vilify most?
Which group can one join as a worshiper of God then gain countless family of faith?

Jesus said they will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} they will be hated by all people {Matthew 10:22} many will call them a cult {Matthew 10:25} but then everyone will keep saying this group have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

So i keep watching out for this group but i was looking for the right thing in the wrong place because back then i was a Muslim and i love to read Jesus' words since the Qur'an confirmed that Jesus is the Al-misil {Messiah or Christ or Saviour) i keep searching for a Muslim group that's fitting with Jesus' description but there is none! One day i met Jehovah's Witnesses they also claim Christians so i wanted to make jest of them as i believe those claiming Christians have derailed by rejecting the last prophet (Muhammad)
Then i received the greatest shock of my life!
Everything this people believe is exactly what Jesus taught about his group. The most surprising thing about this group is the way they so much treasure their organization in their hearts. So i asked one of them "what is the reason why you people so much believe in this your organization to the point that you're prepared to forgo anything just to remain in this organization?"
This man now quoted Jesus' comments that i have always long to decipher {Mark 10:28-30} but this time he Interpreted it to the point that i began shedding tears of joy that i finally found Jesus' group!
He asked me what i think about getting hundred times of families and friends, i told him i've been wondering how possible is that since Jesus made such a reply to Peter over the loss of families and friends, where can one get that?
Then he asked me what i think about a global family of peace loving worshipers that everyone knows how much they love to care for their members even when they've never seen one another before but just because of being members of the same religion.
So he said "many people find it really hard to cope with this organization but they knew that there's no assurance of getting what Jesus promised if they're no more having the global family Jesus promised, that's why they're ready to live and die as members of Jesus' promised family of countless brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children and homes"

That's why I'm fully convinced that i now have what Jesus promised his faithful disciples: the organization of believers that treats one another better than worldly families!

sagenaija:
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MaxinDHouse, I suppose it's ok when you label others 'apostates', 'despicable elements', 'useless', 'fool', etc (need I continue?) but when I talk about others you feel you have the onus to lecture me on what or what not to do. Interesting!

What I presented was the Scripture. Apparently it hit you hard, and because you know that, if you're to be sincere with yourself, you have no arguments against what I presented, you chose to deflect issues to some other things totally unrelated to what I posted.

Do companies point out things that make a product fake so that the buying public can distinguish between them and the original? The answer is 'Yes!'
Maybe you would consider those companies 'foolish' for showing people what the 'FAKE!' looks like.
They are foolish because only MaxinDHouse knows the best approach. Those who don't follow his approach are wrong because he's the expert.

Contrary to what you posted it is possible to point out the FAKE to help people recognize it when they see it.

You have chosen to avoid the Scripture because you can see where there are conflicts with what your GB give you guys.

Remember when you said that the the First and the Last in Isaiah 48 is Jehovah and the one in Revelation is Jesus.

And I asked: Are there two different "the First and the Last" persons ‐ one being Jehovah and the other Jesus Christ?

What did you do? You ran for cover.

You ran for cover because you could see what the two passages were pointing to but the conclusion you'd come to will be at variance with your DOGMA. So, you chose the easy way out. You chose to place your DOGMA over the Scripture.

Others who are reading us will indeed know how to sift the wheat from the chaff.

You have no problem, i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, our interest is to fulfill what God promised in the endtime regarding His people {Isaiah 2:2-4} so if we are unable to meet up with this task then we know something is wrong with our understanding of the scriptures but as long as we are fulfilling what the Bible says about God's people in the endtime we don't need to continue arguing fruitlessly over the interpretation of God's word.
So if you're sure you fully understood what the Bible says go and worship with those who share your line of thought! John 17:20-23

Thanks for your time!

Nothingserious:
Thank you for your time too.
Like I said, the burden of proof shifts to you to show us beyond reasonable doubt why you think Jesus did not resurrect in his physical body contrary to the Bible accounts. The accounts showed he specifically told them he wasn’t a spirit and that he could be felt, he ate with them, he appeared to many and they didn’t have group hallucinations which is not possible. And the witnesses testified they saw him. We are not discussing his divinity. He was divine of course. But the Bible specifically recorded that he was physically seen after resurrection and was recognized by some of his disciples.“But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:37-41, 43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv
“not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:41‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/act.10.41.asv
“And behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and took hold of his feet, and worshipped him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:9‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/mat.28.9.asv

I believe whatever we read in the Bible should unite adherents of the book so that they can have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so once you feel you have bundles or burdens of proof i think you can use your proof to convince others to become your fellow believers. As for me and my global family we are OK with our interpretation of what we read in the Bible!
Once again i say thanks for sharing your time with me.

Nothingserious:
That’s a wrong interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15 you got there. I would like you to go the whole way and give us a full interpretation of the whole discuss on sin, spiritual body, corruption and Adam.
You also made a wrong interpretation of Luke 24:28. I am trying to get your source of Jesus not being able to sleep in the house from that verse. Unless you are getting extra biblical sources?

Jesus died and was resurrected but his friends can't recognize him, then he only appears and disappears randomly, they never knew where he is staying after his death and resurrection.
So go and meditate on this, whatever you conclude use it to preach and teach whoever comes your way. As for millions having the same line of thought globally {John 17:22} what i'm telling you is the interpretation that the spirit guiding our global family taught us! John 16:12-13
It's not compulsory you and i agree on interpretation of what we can both read, you're free to worship with those that have the same line of thought with you while i also worship with those with whom i share the same line of thought! John 4:24; 1Corinthians 1:10

Thanks for sharing your time with me!

Nothingserious:
Yes. Those guys came in human form and interacted with Abraham in human form even though they were divine.

So Jesus could eat fish as human who was also divine.

Let me not put you in a tight corner!

Jesus' resurrection wasn't in human form!

First of all, remember that his body became unrecognizable even by his former closest confidants {Luke 24:15-16} then he couldn't sleep in anyone's home after his resurrection which spirits also don't do. Luke 24:28-30

So Jesus only put on materialised body to prove that the spirit person who came from heaven, born by a virgin, executed and buried is now alive, as for his former body which they knew and can easily recognize that's what he used as the sacrifice for our sin, it is no more retrievable. He only put on all those wounds to convince Thomas who at the time is yet to understand spiritual things. Jesus was buried in a corruptible body (one that's damageable) but was resurrected in incorruptible body (one that can't be damaged) it's human bodies that can be damaged the body with which Jesus resurrected is spirit (body that can't be damaged)

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians15:42-44

So Jesus' resurrection wasn't in the physical body but spiritual body, he only materialised bodies that can be seen, felt and touched to convince his friends who are yet to grasp what was happening. It was after they were baptized with Holy Spirit that they began understanding all these things! John 16:12-13

Nothingserious:
Yes. Those guys came in human form and interacted with Abraham in human form even though they were divine.

So were they angels (spirits)? Hebrews 13:2

Itiaba007:
As christians what does the bible talk about a man putting on earings to church,is it a sin?

Before the Christian Congregation was formed it's only things written in the laws that are taken as either sinful or not, but after Pentecost whoever chooses to become one of Jesus' followers must be submissive to the standard set by the Apostles.
That's why Jesus said:

From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it! Matthew 11:12

Before John began baptizing people to humble themselves in expectation of the New Covenant all such things can't be viewed as sin but after John's introduction of the baptism all true believers must humble themselves to the standards set by the Apostles!
Christianity demands that each disciple must go out and preach in his neighbourhood, so if putting on earrings is not chaste in your neighbourhood then you need to consider it as wrong {Philippians 4:8} because it would deprive you from doing what Jesus commanded:


"Go, therefore, and make disciples" Matthew 28:19

Nothingserious:
The argument is on Jesus having a bodily form after his resurrection and not on his divinity.
He was human and divine, and so were the divine figures in human form with Abraham.
You are talking about divine figures now.
Do you also have any comment about Paul’s letter of the appearances and that of his showing of wounds to Thomas?

Below is what you said:

Nothingserious:
He also ate fish with them which a spirit wouldn’t do.

Three persons visited Abraham and they ate food! according to Paul these three persons were angels (spirits), Hebrews 13:2

That's why i asked the question!

Wakeupchristian:
The case of Enoch and Elijah is a separate message which will be posted soon. But before then you can reflect over it a little and listen to your spirit which connects to the spiritual to open up the word to you. Note that whatever does not align with the laws of God does not portray God's perfection.
Jesus said the word is spirit and it is life. If the word is spirit, then effort should be made to understand it in the spiritual sense, not otherwise

Enoch's life was taken by God so that he will not have to face that wicked generation while Elijah was transported to another destination.
Jesus cleared any doubt about this two persons when he said:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13

The above is Jesus' own words so they never got to heaven because they are descendants of Adam who inherited sin from birth! Romans 3:23

Nothingserious:
Jesus had a bodily resurrection from the dead.
He said to them to touch him to show he was neither a spirit or an apparition. And they physically touched him to dispel any theory of hallucinations or visions.

He also ate fish with them which a spirit wouldn’t do.

He showed his wounds to them and to Thomas to feel too. That wasn’t a trance or a vision.

“See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having.

And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat?

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish. And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:39-43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.39-43.asv


“For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received:

that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried;

and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures;

and that he appeared to Cephas; then to the twelve; then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;

then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-8‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/1co.15.3-8.asv

So Abraham hurried to the tent to Sarah and said: “Quick! Get three measures of fine flour, knead the dough, and make loaves of bread.” Next Abraham ran to the herd and chose a tender and good young bull. He gave it to the attendant, who hurried to prepare it.  He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had prepared and set the food before them. Then he stood by them under the tree as they were eating. Genesis 18:6-8

The three visitors eating, were they humans or spirits putting on materialised bodies? Hebrews 13:2

LordReed:
Then find out Mr agent of intelligence. LMFAO!

Find out?
What if someone says your little daughter of about 6 years old is 8 months pregnant and the little girl is without big belly, will you take such a person serious at all?
My friend, i don't waste my precious time on things that doesn't make any sense!

Trevor007007:
Am sure that was why Jesus Christ said many are called but only few are chosen, which means God cannot call wicked people that he has destined for destruction, so the many been called are righteous ones right? Then the few are chosen from among the many righteous ones, it all makes sense, God's original plan for mankind have not yet changed, the plan of man dwelling on this earth forever.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's the point! Invitation to live forever in Paradise was open to all mankind, it's out of those that responded that God will select few to rule with Jesus even Jesus himself regarding the heavenly selection said:

And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. Matthew 20:23

So it's not by anyone's effort, will or holiness that such a person is selected that's what the Bible meant by GRACE as their selection is out of UNDESERVED KINDNESS from God! Romans 12:3

Kholiwe:
If you don't believe humans go to heaven, so why are you on this post and thread?

Because the book i believe (trust) talked about heaven and earth {Genesis 1:1} but never said anything about humans going to heaven rather it says heaven was designed for spirit life while earth was designed for humans {Psalms 115:16} as our permanent home! Psalms 37:29

It's you who supposed to have included in your post that you don't want to know the truth rather you want fables! 2Timothy 4:3-4

LordReed:
The link is there if you want those numbers.

My friend i am a trained agent of the intelligence!
Who are those behind the link?
Not all links worth such trust so a real intellectual don't believe (trust) all info!

LordReed:
The numbers are there if you wish to check them. I already showed you where to find it.

So do you think that those behind your so called statistics know the figure of marriages registered as atheists? Or they based their statistics on what some people say?
My friend, we are here talking about humans so if you want everyone to believe something the first thing to do is get all the facts not just copying and pasting what some people say!

God gave this law to His people to help them keep away from homosexuality and Lesbianism.
People who engage in this acts must put on the attributes of the opposite sex. That's why one gay must act as the wife and one lesbian must act as the husband. So if men always put on their masculinity and women their feminity homosexuality or lesbianism can't thrive in the human society.
As for clothing, fashion and styles God has no business with that as long as such fashion clearly portrays the gender!

LordReed:
Why does the number matter?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm now i'm convinced that you truly love to go with facts!
Well the number matters because it's through the numbers that percentages are derived, without any specific number whoever comes up with such statistics is a scammer!

MightySparrow:
They are your leaders. Not mine.

So when we are talking about our God know that it has nothing to do with your own God because our God already foretold how we are going to get connected to Him, first through the covenant He made with Abraham, then with Israel, then with the first set of BORN AGAIN at Pentecost, then through this born again Christians people from all races will attach themselves to the BORN AGAIN Jews! Zechariah 8:23

So we will never deny them they are the ones directly connected Christ while we are connecting Christ through them! Matthew 25:31-46/

LordReed:
Rate is different from number. I didn't use number. Even we wanted to count numbers 2% of all atheists is more than the entire population of JWs worldwide.

So it's impossible for anyone to ascertain how many atheists are registered couples before you can compare to JW couples then talk about the rate of divorce in both groups!

I don't just argue blindly i go for facts that's indisputable not just anything people say just to buttress my point because that's tantamount to self deceit which i never did in Islam before leaving for JWs!

Kholiwe:
When we get to heaven,will there be freewill?

Humans are never going to heaven!
Jesus promised his first set of disciples that he is going to prepare a place for them in heaven (not all humans) God never promised any human heaven, what God told all mankind is that earth will be our permanent residence {Psalms 115:16} God also promised that one government will rule over the earth {Daniel 2:44} the proposed site for the government house is Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3} but after the Israelites has killed many of God's prophet and also contemplating killing the Christ, Jesus told them that Jerusalem can no more received such a blessing {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why his followers who knew all the promises of God regarding the government and Jerusalem became devastated then Jesus told them:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be. John 14:1-3

So no human can go to heaven, the only few going there are fully obedient disciples of Jesus and they mustn't think about freewill just as Jesus who is taking them there, anything God says is what they must comply with whether they like it or not!

And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” Luke 22:39

This verse shows why God so much love Jesus because he always put aside his own will for him to do the will of his father! John 8:29

May you have PEACE!/

ciro11:
Chairman, I nor know why you dey answer this guy oo, leave am he deserves no explanation from you, don't waste your energy on him

At times the response is meant for other followers who may think the fool has something tangible to say but when we bring wise response everyone will see how foolish they are! Proverbs 26:5

To illustrate imagine an inquisitor who is going about saying he is detecting fake currencies in circulation. When he comes across a note he will raise the alarm "FAKE!" and that's what he always do.
Then someone said to him:
"Please can you present to us the only legal tender so that everyone can see all it's features, then we won't have to continue living in fear of being paid with fake currencies?"

This same sejenaija and Myer has been going all over Nairaland arguing fruitlessly over what is wrong in one religion/faith or the other but never have they for once to present the group that's practicing pure worship for everyone to see how things ought to be done! Matthew 5:13-16

That's where their foolishness is hidden from them!

Myer:
Even God seems to have refuted "Jehovah's witness organisation".

Well that's the one and only group having the oneness of thought that Jesus fervently prayed for! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
And regarding success it's obvious you don't know what that means because if there is a group where all the members globally have access to complete Bibles and other publications even in the world's poorest nations that people there can't afford a Bible, then it means such a group is the most successful as Jesus' order for all members to have the spiritual SWORD is fulfilled in their midst! Luke 22:36 compare to John 17:17 and Ephesians 6:17