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LordReed:
LMAO! Don't mind them with their crocodile tears. If I blast him now you'll see him forming gentle. Bwahahahahaha!

Before taken such statistics seriously, there are few thing to put into consideration:

How many marriages are registered under the group of atheists?
How many are registered under the group of JWs?

With that you can now be sure when talking about the numbers of those that later come up to demand for divorce!

Kholiwe:
Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?

All God's sons both in the spirit realms (angels) and on planet earth (humans) were given the freewill. Only one thing is abominable for all of us:
The right to set standards for right and wrong belongs to the Creator only {Genesis 2:17} any intelligent creature that is determined to set standards for others will be cast away and the consequences is destruction!
Adam and Eve chose to rebel against this order when they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, note what Satan said that revealed the intention of their hearts:

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” Genesis 3:4-5
Eve wanted herself and her husband to become the Gods (dictators) setting standards for all their progenies, in that way they will not talk about God since they don't want to obey Him but they will rule as Gods over all mankind in their own way!
Satan knew the consequences but since Adam and Eve were created with dust Satan knew that both of them will not last after their rebellion so Satan himself who knows how it all began will become god over Adam's descendants! 2Corinthians 4:4
So all those wanting the freewill that will include setting standards for their fellowman are spiritual children of Satan {John 8:44} the god of these system of things! 1John 5:19

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Janosky:
Does he have to be told his atheists standard of open marriage must result in divorce of any JWs marriage? The stupid WAILER dey corner dey console himself.

It's because he doesn't know the real meaning of atheism, he feels that only those professing they belong to the group whereas God's word enlightened us that there are atheists even pretending to be worshipers of God.
They're saying "there is no God" not with there mouth but in their hearts {Psalms 14:1} so it's through their actions that they are exposed then they will start antagonizing any group that's upholding the oneness in FAITH!

Janosky:
Mr Sparrow LIENUS,
John 20:17, the God of Jesus is the God of JWs.

It's just a pity that many can't SEE why they need to recognize Jesus' brothers {Matthew 25:31-46} yet they think they're worshiping Jesus' God acceptably! John 20:17

Differentiate:
You people can twist someone's head . we will live in paradise on earth. but Jesus said there are many mansions in my father's house. who are the owner of those mansions.?

That's totally different from the promises God made to His ancient faithful servants.
Jesus said he is GOING TO PREPARE which means those going where Jesus lives will not do any building unlike those who will live on earth! Isaiah 65:21-23

God's Kingdom beneficiaries are two different sets {John 10:16} the first set will go and rule with Jesus in the heavenly realms {John 14:1-4} they know nothing about where they're going so Jesus who lives there before must PREPARE places where they will stay but as for the second set of beneficiaries who will live on earth they're already used to the system here so they will build their own houses!

You can read Matthew 5:3 & 5, where Jesus clarified this that the first set will go to heaven and the second set will live on earth!

MightySparrow:
All the same, I am convinced that JWs don't know God, but GB.

They are the representatives of our God!

This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people" Zechariah 8:23

According to Zechariah these people will go with spirituality Jews {Romans 2:25-29} not because they have seen or heard God directly but because the have heard that God is with our GB (the spiritual Jews)
So they are the representatives of the God we want to worship, the Kingdom belongs to them and their spiritual brother and leader Jesus Christ {Luke 12:32} that's why Jesus said anyone who doesn't recognize them can't be in God's kingdom! Matthew 25:31-46

Anybody can refute anything since each person has his/her own line of thought. That is what gives room for continuous learning with no evidence of accurate knowledge {2Timothy 3:7} as each person will come up with his/her own arguments {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} that's how the churches kept doing until there emerged over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Luke 11:23

So instead of refuting what a group teaches with arguments based on letters found in the Bible why not ask for the group that got things right? The letters can be rephrased to soothe anyone's opinion but the spirit of God (that doesn't give room for confusion) will only work with the group that's doing the right thing! 2Corinthians 3:6

Please instead of going about with arguments against all the religions around why not focus on finding the group that's practicing pure worship so that you can be assured that you've found the truth?
If you call a Catholic, Anglican, Apostolic, CAC, RCCG, MFM, Winner, Chosen, Christ Embassy, Cele, C&S, Jehovah's Witnesses, ECWA, Four Square and Muslim to start arguing on letters found in the Bible each will continue to argue in support of the viewpoint of what they were taught as interpretations of those letters. But when you ask for the group in whose midst there is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL, that's when most argumentators will become uncomfortable because we all know that against a group of imperfect humans exhibiting these qualities there is nothing worthwhile anybody have to say! Galatians 5:22-23

So my advice to you is find out the group of people that's practicing what God wants then compare to your own viewpoint of those letters otherwise you will always find people who will continue to argue yet there is nothing to show for their fruitless arguments!

What God promised!

Differentiate:
I was reading one Jehovah witness tract given to me one day and I came across a page illustrating how heaven looks like . to be frank I was impressed with what I saw . although no one has ever been to heaven before to give us feedback on how spacious and beautiful it is.
But I guess what I read from the JW book was just to show us that heaven is far more beautiful than what we can ever imagine . same way our pastor once preached during a sermon that if God open our eye to see how heaven looks like ,we wont pray 1 seconds on earth .
I believe we all read the Bible very well if I'm not wrong , and some of us read to understand I'm not talking about those that cram . so from your own bible reading knowledge can you give us an illustration of how heaven looks like.
HAPPY LAST SUNDAY TO Y'ALL I PRAY WE WITNESS MORE & MORE OF IT ON EARTH...........

When we give you our tract we don't expect you to look at the pictures but ask us questions regarding the artistic impression in it.
You can't find one single tract from JWs that talked about heaven so you never read what is in the tract, your imagination is what made you concluded that the artistic impression must be about heaven.
What you saw in that tract is how the EARTH will be after the destruction of this system of things, we will live with all kinds of animals:

The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, And with the young goat the leopard will lie down, And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; And a little boy will lead them. The cow and the bear will feed together, And their young will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the bull. The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra, And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake. They will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah's, as the waters covers the sea! Isaiah 11:6-9

We will share everything equally, we will build simple and well ventilated homes with no burglaries because by that time all evildoers will be dead and the earth will be peaceful all through!

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace! Psalms 37:9-11

Each person will choose the type of house and the location we want it to be and instead of our houses to last more than us we will outlive the houses because by then we will live as youths forever on this same planet!

They will build houses and live in them, And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, Nor will they plant for others to eat. For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full. They will not toil for nothing, Nor will they bear children for distress, Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, And their descendants with them. Even before they call out, I will answer; While they are yet speaking, I will hear. Isaiah 65:21-24

By then we will pray and instantly receive because God will bless all those living on this planet after all the evildoers are gone forever!

The earth will give its produce; God, our God, will bless us. God will bless us, And all and the ends of the earth will fear him! Psalms 67:6-7

Below are the artistic impressions you will find in our tracts, how the earth will be after all evildoers are gone no wonder Jesus said to that thief:

And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

Today you and i are chatting on faceless social media but then we will know each other face to face, so if you study the Bible with us to gain the accurate knowledge of God and His son {John 17:3} you too can live forever in Paradise on planet earth, just as Jesus said "SEE YOU IN PARADISE"!

macof:
congrats

Thank you Sir!

macof:
lol goodluck looking for that in christianity

I've found it among Jehovah's Witnesses only so i believe they are the one and only true religion that's why they're able to meet up with the teachings of God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ!

macof:
as far as i am concerned anybody who abuses me will collect. much more so for anyone who is beneath me but trying to belittle me. Abuse and insults is hardly about perception of the quality of truth of the matter but usually an expression of personal defensiveness. That is why people can diagree without insults, but people can also passively agree where all the points reach the same conclusion but with insults.

such a religion is not bad at all but in that case the religion is not consistent with the definition of "truth", what you are looking for is something that unifies, truth doesn't always unify. Even the bible says while claiming jesus to be truth that "Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other"
that is why i say it is disrespectful to call other religions false

this man you like wahala, no be only friends

The truth Jesus bring will cause a division due to the fact that those who wants to live with divers religious beliefs will hate Jesus' followers {Matthew 10:22} who will be united in the same line of thought. John 17:17, 20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10
So Jesus' perception of truth is what must unite those who knew it and make them LOVE one another than blood relations! John 13:34-35
That's why only his true disciples have that type of faith that unites millions of people from different races throughout the earth, even you can discern from my comments that i am one of them through my line of thought! Matthew 5:13-16

So you can continue with your friends because i will never accept any religion that failed to unite all it's adherents as TRUTH!

macof:
yeah at the end of the day what we think is real is only through perception and what we think is true is only based on the limits of our own knowledge and understanding. That is why we should always strive to develop ourselves and expand our minds as we gain more knowledge.

but as human beings there are certain common levels of perception that can aid us to figure out what can be considered true to us - like we know it is true that man is flesh.
If you take the state of something being true away from that common level of human perception - something deep like "the nature of death" or "does a life force exist" then we are still back at where our conversation started ... you cannot determine yours to be any more true than others
Take for instance i believe in reincarnation, but i cannot argue it is more true than those who believe it doesn't exist.

I don't believe in how different persons perceive TRUTH, that's why you people keep abusing, insulting and cursing one another.
My faith is in the religion that can unite people from different races, that is what i can accept as the one and only true religion.
So if you and i can't agree please continue with your friends!

macof:
yeah but it is a definition that is consistent with the meaning of the word "true" don't you agree?
lol which friends

What each of you perceived as true differs that's why you're chatting friendly since, but what i perceive as true is what will benefit all involved because we are talking about the supreme being who is not related to any of us.
So your perception of truth may contradict mine but when we are able to agree and we're all getting the benefits then i believe what we have is truth!

At least the followers can see that you don't have any idea about what Jesus commanded so criticizing JWs who are practicing it makes no sense. I believe LordReed now know what i meant when i say you and your brother just want to drag God's organization into the mud like those you love to associate with, you don't have any idea about Jesus' commands!

achorladey:
If you're not answering my question then forget it..... MaxInDHouse
Why you dey disturb me with interpretations before. Na me cite scriptures in the first place.
So answer my question in plain terms after all you want me to answer yours like primary school students having options.... MaxInDHouse
Giving you options is to help your regimented thinking. Go and see your response again to my Primary school multiple choice questions your eyes go clear sey you don't understand the Bible you cite paapaa.

macof:
Technically all that a true religion has to fulfill is to be based on fact and reality. A true religion if we are to take the definition seriously should not be determined by political or social factors or by sentiments but by experience and perception of reality. So a true religion would tell you plainly what is real whether it gives you joy or not...it is up to you to make peace with the facts.

so i insist it is highly disrepectful to call your religion a true religion and others false. when you cannot show how your religion is better grounded on the fact and reality of existence

lol. with this i can tell you are jehovah witness. are you aware that the gospels were not the words of jesus? but that of people who came long after his supposed lifetime?

Since you have a totally different definition for true religion then i think i'll have to leave you with your friends so that you guys can continue settling issues regarding religion the best way you know!

achorladey:
Who is the unfaithful steward not faithful steward
No change my question.
Who owns the unrighteous riches?
Use the options I gave you to make life easy for you as it is you are lost within the very Bible you cited.
Who is to make friends with whom?
Use the option well Oga MaxInDHouse. You don't understand what is going on here.
As for the second scripture. Go back and read my explanation again and again.

Simplify your answer so everyone can see your stand, i'm not just responding to your question rather i'm setting matters straight so that all interested followers can see what Jesus meant!
So answer my question in plain terms after all you want me to answer yours like primary school students having options!
If you're not answering my question then forget it:

Jesus talked and Jehovah's Witnesses are acting on his orders but you and your brother want to equate the whole organization to the greedy religious title chiefs accumulating material possessions in their names and teaching their followers to get rich at all cost.

So if you are a believer in Jesus defend his teachings by interpreting what he said and presenting the group practicing it today.

I present before the whole world Jehovah's Witnesses organization that's teaching their members not to make material possessions their goal but ready to drop whatever they've accumulated in the past so that others can benefit from it now!

macof:
don't you think it is disrespectful and hateful to call other traditions false religion? what makes yours true religion?

True religion should help people to have LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering.
Since humans are imperfect (prone to errors) we stumble in words and actions many times so having issues due to disparities is inevitable but with the true religion adherents will work out LOVE, JOY and PEACE so that they can resolve whatever comes up due to their imperfection amicably without having to pick up weapons against one another!
That's the import of true religion with a powerful deity making the adherents see one another as one family. But if this is not possible then such a religion is FALSE!

macof:
lmao i hope you realise that christitianity has many denominations all of you swearing to be confused inspired by the holy spirit

btw, the two guys who i was arguing with are not practitioners of an African tradition. One is an Otem boy, the other is a Hebrew wannabe, he is much closer to you than me

That's what you were taught or you want to believe. Christianity is about a first century Jewish carpenter who later became a teacher in spirituality. Instead of ignorantly calling all sects claiming Christians "CHRISTIANS" why not pick up a Bible read what the man Jesus said word for word then look for the group PRACTICING what Jesus taught?

achorladey:
1. Who is the faithful steward in the first place?

Jesus' brothers (BORN AGAIN Christians) in modern day Christianity the GB of JWs they're the ones going to rule with Jesus in heaven {Matthew 5:3} so because of their selfless services Jesus appointed over all his belongings {Matthew 24:45-47} that's why he said whatever they bind or loose on earth will be so in heaven {Matthew 16:19} therefore all those not connected to them will not be welcomed into the Kingdom over which Jesus appointed them! Luke 12:32 compare to Zechariah 8:23

achorladey:
2. Who owns the unrighteous riches?

This are those who weren't as eager as the first set so while those ones were busy working for the Kingdom interest with all their time, energy and resources this ones are out there slaving for material possessions but they later turned back and HUMBLY subjected themselves to the first set therefore Jesus promised them everlasting life on planet earth {Matthew 5:5} if they're ready to support the first set with their accumulated unrighteous riches in the huge task of getting the message across to others and helping many get spiritual things like Bibles, literatures and suitable places to meet for kingdom interest!

achorladey:
3. Who is to make friends with whom?

It's the second set because Jesus has appointed the first set over all his belongings so the second set must support the first set in all their selfless services towards the kingdom interest, that's why Jesus said whatever the second set are doing to assist the first set he will take it as if they're doing it for him! Matthew 25:31-40

Please answer my question directly now:

Jesus' comments at Luke 16:19 and 18:22
Does these verses makes Jesus a thief?
Or He is out of his mind?
Or it was fabricated since Jesus never existed?

If these three aren't so then can you please tell this forum the practical application of what Jesus said in those verses and the group of people practicing it accordingly today?

achorladey:
If both of you believe (trust) in Jesus can you interpret what Jesus meant in the following verses.... MaxInDHouse

Na the interpretation of the scriptures above go prove sey we trust Jesus. All the ones we have done before nko?

When they show similarity between you and those you call CHRISTENDOM you start looking for where Jesus did same you are accused of to show that you are indeed Christ followers and trust Jesus.

Na your regimented thinking cause am. The thread is clear enough. The ties that bind. Money grabbing in any means and form.

JWs are teaching their members not believe (trust) in material possessions so if any of us has accumulated such in the past they can let go for the benefit of less privileged members in poor countries in order for such ones also to have access to life saving spiritual possessions like Bibles and Bible based publications! Luke 16:19; 18:22

So instead of encouraging them to greedily accumulate material possessions they are admonishing them to live simple lives and all the leaders are doing exactly what they teach.

But the leaders of Christendom churches that you're trying to equate with JW Organization are putting it in the minds of their followers that they need material possessions to show that their God is blessing them. That's why they're displaying their material possessions everywhere then going about with fully armed guards.

JWs GB move freely just like Jesus because they have nothing to their personal name!

Now explain what Jesus taught in those verses nobody says there are no greedy religious title chiefs but then who are those practicing what Jesus taught today?
Or are you of the opinion that Jesus' teachings doesn't make any practical sense?

achorladey:
When we prove it you will enter denial mode or you are not allowed to talk to apostates or people who spill poisons from their mouth.

rottennaija:
Patent seeking thieves as donation. Maybe someday, they will look for oil licences, after, getting mineral rights is not so far from oil licences.

If both of you believe (trust) in Jesus can you interpret what Jesus meant in the following verses:

Also, I say to you: Make friends for yourselves by means of the unrighteous riches, so that when such fail, they may receive you into the everlasting dwelling places. Luke 16:9

After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” Luke 18:22

LordReed:
LoL! Relax and wait, no dey in a hurry, Jesus is not coming today. LMFAO!

When the three of you started it's like they were fully prepared to prove they know what they're saying nah!

LordReed:
Wait for them na why your blood dey hot? LMFAO!

I have always ignore them because that's what the GB advised us to do but i purposely responded to your comment perhaps they will turn up to say something about Jesus' comments having to do with the topic of discussion but here is all the OP could say even though he mentioned my name:

rottennaija:
MaxInDHouse Janosky Achorladey

rottennaija:

Well i've proved to you that they're empty so know now that they've got nothing to say against God's organization if they can't explain what Jesus meant with his comments that correlates with the topic of discussion!

macof:
again:
since you yourself know you are like an empty basket, it is no surprise you did not catch the point

There can never be any agreement in false religion no matter how you people try because the one and only person who can bring people together under one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers is Jesus of Nazareth, he is using his modern day followers Jehovah's Witnesses to do that now.
All other schools of thought will continue to see this group as the one and only global family of worshipers who have LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering. Matthew 5:13-16

I purposely came in to defend the truth perhaps you can convince me that you have something tangible to say but it's obvious you are empty!
So next time don't invite trouble when you're not ready to handle it!

LordReed:
Wait for them they are coming!

I'm 100% sure that they will never show up because it's either they explain what Jesus meant in those verses or atheistically condemn what Jesus said as nonsense just as you often do!

rottennaija:

Do you now see why it is wise to listen to what the GB says?
They told us that you have nothing tangible to say, you purposely mentioned my name but now i'm here to know what practical application you'll give Jesus' teachings then you just went dumb!

LordReed:
Oh the freaking irony.

Chei where are your friends nah?
Even the OP who specifically mentioned my name can't come and interpret Jesus' words!

rottennaija:
MaxInDHouse Janosky Achorladey

LordReed:
Yeah sure, they should trust instead that the JW org knows how to use the money better than the people who give it. LMFAO! What a fuçking joke.

Of course the organization knows how to use the money than anyone else!
Through the contributions you can never find a single dedicated JW without the best Bible full hard copy (our spiritual sword) even in the world's poorest nations. Luke 22:36
You can never find a dedicated JW begging in the streets for food! Psalms 37:25
All the publications are distributed freely for whoever wants to read them! Revelations 22:17

Surely it's the surplus from some that's making all these possibly available for all! 2Corinthians 8:14

Please ask your friends to interpret all these scriptures for you after all they're also claiming believers in the Bible but if they are atheists then there's no need talking about what faithful people are doing! 2Thessalonians 3:2

LordReed:
This is some scummy shit, asking people to put JW org as the beneficiaries of a life insurance policy. So disgusting.

I thought Jesus is coming to create a new kingdom? Why are they now going after peoples life insurance policies meant to be for their offspring? Is Jesus going to use the money to build his kingdom? Absolutely disgusting.

I will respond to you because you're an atheist who doesn't believe in whatever the book says!
The organization is simply telling us to get prepared for the New World where all those things will become useless and trampled under foot {Ezekiel 7:19} by the time God's kingdom take over all of us will share everything equally so the only wise thing to do now is zero our minds as to whatever this system has to offer then focus on how to help the less privileged in our midst to get the basic necessities of life:

Ask your friends to tell you the meaning of what Jesus is saying here if they are also his followers but if they're also atheists like you then there's no need talking about those who believe in Jesus Christ!

"Also, I say to you: Make friends for yourselves by means of the unrighteous riches, so that when such fail, they may receive you into the everlasting dwelling places" Luke 16:9

After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” Luke 18:22

The organization is discouraging members from putting their trust in this system of things but giving all they could as their last contribution to assist the less privileged in poor countries. That's why you're seeing the organization moving forward without any of the leaders accumulating material possessions for themselves unlike the people all of you know how many private jets, helicopters and other material possessions they're accumulating, then going about with fully armed guards even when they are in the midst of their own followers!

MightySparrow:
I have always have the opinion that JWs know Greek and Hebrew but not God. The reason I can't be a part of them. You know I always talk about delusion. I don't think JW people know God. Members can know the GB but not God, Jehovah.

Well if your Papa is insisting that his own blood sister who happens to be a Muslim must convert to Christian i wonder how he will feel if the same person bags a doctorate degree in Christian Religious Knowledge yet remains a Muslim!
Do you think Papa will approve such academy as something worthwhile when the students that came out with flying colours say it's not compulsory to be Christians?
I know you always talk about DELUSION but i'm sure that you're just running away from the truth!

MightySparrow:
You are the one behaving like an illiterate. The academic circle is different from religious. You want to see everything in the light of JW.org. Life is not like that. Few months ago, a Muslim Ph.D in Law bragged another doctoral degree in Christian Religion from the University of Ilorin. In my own church, rather than blindly criticising everybody, we send people to study them. I know a pastor who is about finishing his doctoral degree in Islamic Eschatology. Does it make him a Muslim? Rev. Fr, Prof, Kelly in University of Ibadan, is an authority in Islamic studies. So, that a version is approved for academic purposes doesn't mean that everyone is carrying a Bible without the name of. God. Anybody can read a Bible of one's choice. For me, I choose KJV, I am a trinitarian. Proudly one. You can't force the knowledge of God down anybody's throat.

Why not back what you're saying with God's word the same way i did while expressing my own viewpoint?

Well what God's word says is that some people will continue learning but never come to an accurate knowledge of God:

always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 2Timothy 3:7

So i believe that a real student of God's word (Bible) should be fully competent and completely equipped as a man of God:

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16

God's inspired writings is for teaching, reproving, setting matters straight, disciplining in righteousness so that the man of God who completed the study may be fully competent for every good work!

So it's not a textbook for philosophy but God's direction on how to gain accurate knowledge of God and His only begotten Son! John 17:3

Meanwhile do you think your Papa really teaches what you said in the highlighted?

May you have PEACE!