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ItShallPass:
Saying yours is the only true religion does not make it so.

I didn't just say it but i proved it sighting features that only Jesus' first century disciples have but it's OK my guy don't let me spoil your mood today continue with Bolaji Idowu if that is what you choose i only wanted you to know that i have found the only true religion because i wasn't born among them i humble myself to welcome them.

See what people from different schools of thought have said about this religion:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

So feel free to practice whatever religion you want just know that Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of your fellow worshipers.

Thanks!🙂

ItShallPass:
The fact still.remaoms that your founder also broke out from a church. Saying yours is the only true religion does not make it so.

For your information Jesus used that man to accomplish what he foretold as an event that will happen in our time:

“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. Matthew 25:31-32

How do you feel knowing that you claim Christian yet those who are supposed to be your fellow worshipers view you as fake?
Well the reason is obvious all of you are choosing what you want instead of the assignment Jesus gave his disciples.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are actively preaching and teaching in all the nations without expecting material gains just as Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 6:19-21
Only Jehovah's Witnesses believe the same thing globally just as Jesus taught his disciples to do. John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10
Only Jehovah's Witnesses feel spiritually attached to their fellow believers throughout the world just as Jesus commanded his disciples. John 13:34-35
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of the world's political struggles {John 17:14} that's leading people into killing people. Revelation 6:3-4
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are known by their beliefs as a unique group unified in faith. 2Corinthians 5:7
Only Jehovah's Witnesses don't take part in pagan traditions that's fabricated but stick only to what we found in the Bible. John 17:17
Do you think it's that man that made all these things possible or it's just coincidental?
That is food for thought because it couldn't have been a mortal man like Charles Taxes Russell who arranged all that but the mighty spirit king who promised to separate his sheep from goats in our time.

Do you care to know why we bear a separate group name to distinguish us out of all religions claiming Christians?

Well that's the fulfillment of what the true God promised in the Bible:

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I will destine you for the sword, and all of you will fall in the slaughter; for I called but you did not answer, I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and chose what displeases me.” Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “My servants will eat, but you will go hungry; my servants will drink, but you will go thirsty; my servants will rejoice, but you will be put to shame. My servants will sing out of the joy of their hearts, but you will cry out from anguish of heart and wail in brokenness of spirit. You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign Lord will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name. Isaiah 65:12-15 NIV‬

The name "CHRISTIANS" our brothers borrowed in the first century but you people have defamed it with your interfaith so that interested individuals can't know the true Christians that is why the true God gave us another group name to distinguish us from among all those claiming Christians:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Go and do your work my guy and do have a good day!🙂

If you are to be taken seriously you're implying that you have formed your own religion and you want customers shey?🤔

ItShallPass:
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Anybody can break away to form his own as the only true religion while pointing others as false. Seventh day adventists, Mormon, etc also come to mind.

Jesus did the same, today you claim to be his follower he never welcome any other teaching and also strictly warned his disciples to follow his footstep that means you need to know those who are genuine not just following anybody!🙂

ItShallPass:
Disputes have always been a factor in every human society from Adam. Your leader also broke away from a church to start his own watch tower society!

That is the difference between true and false religion.
Jesus broke away from Judaism and told his disciples never to have anything to do with the teachings of Judaists {Matthew 16:6, 12} because light and darkness has nothing in common. 1Peter 2:9

So today Jehovah's Witnesses sees our organization as the only true religion while all others are false. That's the spirit Jesus gave his disciples not that which accomodates contradictions.

Do you see the difference now?

Please between Deeperlife and Harvesters which religion is true and which is false?

I am telling you boldly and can give you evidence that there is no other religion that's worshiping our God except those in our midst! John 14:6

ItShallPass:
The matter cannot be judged by us mortals except you were there when God was speaking to both men.

This is not about judging but
IDENTITY OF FALSE PROPHETS!

*They claim togetherness but dispute is going on between them.

Bolaji and William are not on the same page.

That is how to identify false prophets both of them will keep mute deceiving their followers instead of telling you people openly that they are not on the same page.
When it comes to spiritual matters Jehovah's Witnesses only relate with ourselves as fellow believers whoever is not with us is not our fellow worshiper. Luke 11:23

That's what Jesus taught his disciples not interfaith {Matthew 16:6; 12} where you can't speak the truth to one another but hiding behind anonymous!

What these people don't understand is that the figurative SUN and MOON are no longer giving their light! Joel 2:31

MEANING!
The true God no longer gives prophecies regarding anything that is happening in the world today. Because He has revealed what will happen in the Bible so NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION {Revelation 22:11-12} whatever these false prophets are telling people today are expressions from demons which they keep on using to push politicians (rulers) here and there {Revelation 16:14} so don't be surprised that they are making these politicians to think of WARS! Revelation 6:3-4

ItShallPass:
It still does not mean they're not serving the same God.
Both the prodigal son and the elder child had the same father.

The prodigal son RETURNED HOME!

So Bolaji could fit in to that narrative if he returns to Deeperlife but as long as he pitches his tent aside and teaching what contradicts Kumuyi then both of them aren't receiving their inspiration from the same spirit! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

ItShallPass:
I didn't ask you all these.
But, from all points you made above, it is clear that having divergent opinions does not mean they're serving different Gods.

Of course Kumuyi and Bolaji are not on the same page.
Note that the disciples of Christ Jesus agreed with both Moses and Jesus that is why they are able to understand the transition also the issue that almost divided the first century congregation was resolved but members of Deeperlife will never accept you people are their fellow believers.
So Kumuyi and Bolaji aren't worshiping the same Spirit! John 4:24

ItShallPass:
Jesus brought a totally different teaching from Moses. Does that mean Jesus and Moses serve different Gods?

Moses foretold that another prophet like him will come and teach the Israelites what they need to know in order to gain everlasting life {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} Jesus came to establish a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} so Jesus was sent to complete the work that Moses started and all Israelites had been expecting the prophet that will fulfill this role! John 4:25
So Jesus came to complete what Moses started therefore whoever refuses to switch to the new covenant has been condemned by God! Deuteronomy 18:19
Please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who stands as Moses and who as Jesus now?

ItShallPass:
In Acts 15, many brethren were opposed to the teachings of Paul and Barnabas. Does that mean they served different Gods?

Of course there was a division because of circumcision but the matter was taken to Jerusalem and the Apostles with God's Holy Spirit solve the issue by writing a letter to inform all our brothers what they should believe {Act 15:23-29} please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who is correct today and where will they solve the dispute?
Remember members of Deeperlife will never accept your church as part of their fellow worshipers so your comparation doesn't add up!🤔

ItShallPass:
When Paul and Barnabas were at loggerheads with each other, did that mean they were not serving the same God?

Paul and Barnabas disputed because of Mark who wasn't serious about the work Jesus assigned to them back then not because of teaching.

Barʹna·bas was determined to take along John, who was called Mark. Paul, however, was not in favor of taking him along with them, seeing that he had departed from them in Pam·phylʹi·a and had not gone with them to the work. At this there was a sharp burst of anger, so that they separated from each other; and Barʹna·bas took Mark along and sailed away to Cyʹprus. Act 15:37-39

If Kumuyi and Bolaji disputed over an unserious member it fits perfectly into this narrative but instead they are fighting because of TEACHINGS while Bolaji is stylishly stealing Kumuyi's followers using a totally different teaching yet claiming they belong to the same God!🙂

You need the knowledge of God's word so as to identify false prophets using the scriptures to distinguish between true and false prophets. Hebrews 5:14

Why must you be aware of these things and speak up?

You have friends and families and you surely love them so you won't fold your harms watching your dear love ones enter into the darkness of falsehood therefore you will do whatever is within your power to save them. Now if you tell your own someone that a so called pastor is false out of love for your friend or relative the person will confidently quote you anywhere if such a person values your utterances that is why you need to have scriptural backing for whatever you believe or say so that whoever listens to you won't just quote you but the scriptures you quote!

ItShallPass:
So, what's my own with the two of them? How am I related to their matters?

My guy i can sense a measure of sincerity in you because all those claiming Christians on this forum always hide behind anonymous due to fear that their leaders may bring them shame but with the way you revealed the identity of your own pastor it's clear that you are not ready to hide anything.

Of course you are. In true Christianity it's certain that the two of them can't be serving the same God that's why they are at loggerhead against each other.

Jesus said:

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— ‭John 17:22 NIV‬

Paul said:
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. ‭1 Corinthians 1:10

Now based on what is happening with these two guys it's either one or both of them are false prophets because the spirit of God doesn't contradicts itself. 1Corinthans 14:33, 40

So which of the men is true and which is false if truly you are sincere with your so called "FAITH" ?

Truvelisback:
Your unbelief and JW false teachings won't change the truth.

You believe but all evidence shows you are all lying to yourselves there is no miracle pastor anywhere COVID-19 exposed all of them!😂

honesttalk21:
Ibn Kathir's tafsir contains different kinds of transmitted material, including Qur'an, hadith, reports from Companions, and Isra'iliyyat. They don't all carry the same weight. It appears you don't know this. His long standing authority shows how respected his work is, but it doesn't make every report he records sahih. Al Tabari also records differing views on the crucifixion resemblance. So the authority of the scholar and the reliability of a particular report are still two separate questions.

You are talking about your own Muslims that you respected contradicting themselves on a subject yet you guys will start seeking the same in the Bible!😂

ItShallPass:
So, una lies don reach this stage? Taking a picture of Pastor Kumuyi and slamming a text on it is now a holy task? Isn't it?

Chai!
See original brainwashing!😟

Something that is not hidden.

I helped you with the simple arithmetic so you can understand still you keep on burying your head in the sand.

Ok i will break it down for honest hearted followers of the thread.

Kumuyi is doing his own business jẹjẹ for Gbagada, Bolaji said he has finished learning the business from Kumuyi who never did any graduation for him instead of Bolaji to move far away so as to gather his own customers he pitched another tent nearest to Kumuyi at just a stone throw.
If Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear makeup Bolaji says it doesn't matter, if Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear trousers Bolaji says it's no wahala, if Kumuyi says women shouldn't wear jewelries Bolaji says it's not the truth.

Gradually members started crossing over to the lighter religions burden of Bolaji.

So if you are deceiving yourself there is no wahala honest hearted and sincere individuals will add 2+2 to know why Kumuyi is annoyed with your guy!🥱

honesttalk21:
Ibn Kathir being respected isn't in dispute. The question is whether that makes this specific report reliable.

Abeg who dey respect am?🥱

ItShallPass:
Which man ran away from his mentor?

Ọmọ nah business them dey take unah do!

ItShallPass:
I'm not here to argue with AI. I'm here to teach you the truth.

You don't want the truth otherwise you shouldn't be attending church of a man who ran away from his mentor to start his own business claiming he's harvesting where he never sow!😂

BennyDGreat:
Please stop calling the church or Christ a business. It's not honourable.

Why did Bolaji Idowu separate his own from Kumuyi if it's not business?
Are you saying Bolaji is special to your God than other ministers in Deeperlife?

If it's not business why did he change the doctrine only to pitch his tent near Kumuyi instead of going far away to the places where Kumuyi and his people have not reached?

Guy stop deceiving yourself it's just their business they are doing.
In Bible times whoever travels out from among his fellow believers goes far away to build another church and it's the same teachings that will be delivered wherever they go.🥱

BennyDGreat:
I respect your position and you do have some points as regard fake prophets.

Let's see if I can get you to the middle. Let's strike a balance.

1. That some do stage managed miracles doesn't mean there aren't genuinely anointed
2. If they ask Jesus for help, that's faith in Jesus' ability to heal.
3. There are genuine men of God that operate God's power under the gifts of healings and/ or working of miracles.
4. If you don't have faith in Jesus' ability, it can hinder your receiving
5. Jesus isn't here on earth with us in the flesh anymore but he can use His anointed ministers to perform miracles.
6. The manifestation of the spirit is not something you switch on or off at your own will. It's as the spirit wills. However, you can position yourself in a way that the spirit of God will move.

Which of these areas do you agree or disagree with?

It's not whether i agree or disagree but what the Bible teaches!
So let's pick it up one by one.
*According to the scriptures your point one is correct because even in the early days of Christianity there were false apostles. 2Corinthians 11:12-14

*Your second point is absolute because God made Jesus a prophet like Moses who will use miraculous deeds to back his authenticity as genuine servant of God. Deuteronomy 18:18-19 compare to Act 3:22-23

*Third is not true!
Why? According to the scriptures faith in Christ will make his true disciples act miraculously as a sign for honest hearted and sincere Jews that God is no longer using Judaism but Christianity but after Christianity has been fully established no Christian will be given such miraculous powers again! 1Corinthans 13:8-11
On that point Paul explained to the first century disciples that supernatural deeds occuring in the hands of disciples is to guide honest hearted individuals to identify those that will be used to establish the new covenant {1Corinthans 13:12} so by the time they have completed their work which is written down what we need to know it will only remain love that will forever remain the identity mark of true worshipers of God! 1Corinthans 13:13 compare to John 13:34-35

*Point four the only thing true believers are eagerly anticipating is the holy spirit to strengthen us in doing what Jesus commanded without let up. John 14:26-27 So i have that in me!

*Point five is a lie because if we will always have miracle workers in our gathering then what is there to endure? Matthew 24:13

*Point six is accurate! Matthew 12:31-32

honesttalk21:
Islamist refers to a political ideology, not Muslims generally.

Are they Muslims doing the will of your god?
That is what matters.
If millions of Muslims across the world stands against those killers everyone will agree with you that they are not doing the will of your god but obviously you people are confused!🤔

ItShallPass:
Christianity is an individual thing. A church is just a Congregation of individuals who claim to serve the same God. But God knows those who are His.

This is a lie!
Christianity has everything to do with the congregation that is why Jesus often go to the temple teaching us that there must be an assembly of those doing God's will. Meanwhile God's will is the assignment Jesus gave all his disciples which we must engage in with the rest of our brothers. Matthew 28:19-20

ItShallPass:
I attend Harvesters Church.

Bolaji Idowu left Deeperlife to start his own business and there is no way members of Deeperlife will accept you as their fellow worshipers even though both churches are in Gbagada.

So stop deceiving yourself if Kumuyi will not approve anyone going to Bolaji Idowu who has changed everything Kumuyi teaches then you and Deeperlifers aren't worshiping the same god! 1Corinthans 1:10

honesttalk21:
Consulting tafsir for context doesn't mean everything in it is automatically true.

This is what makes Islam worthless!

You people will stick to whatever a book says to support your religion but when the same writer goes against your religion you will say it's weak hadith. The same you people does to the Bible yet you want to use the same Bible to authenticate your Arab religion.

It's time you grow up and learn to be TRULY HONEST about religion!🤔

ItShallPass:
Real Christians do all the above and even more. They walk holy and love righteous while walking in the power of God.

Let's see which church fits into this your description perhaps your own church.

Oya mention the name let's hear.

Remember this is not about personal attitude of some people because most of you always misconstrue personality with faith.

A Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim, Traditionalist, Atheist or Agnostic may be nice that doesn't make him a Christian.
A Christian is someone who follows Jesus' disciples in practicing what Jesus commanded. Note the nice Jewish man who walks up to Jesus ready to do what the laws says but felt bad joining Jesus' seemingly jobless followers who keeps going about preaching and teaching as Jesus commanded them.
So it's not about attitude if so most people don't need Jesus they can just be nice as you assume but it has a lot to do with participating in the assignment Jesus handed over to his disciples.
That is what makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES unique.

Now mention the name of your own church and please don't go about the anonymous character that anyone can just apply in any kind of religion!🙂

ItShallPass:
You can't even differentiate fake Christians from genuine ones.

Real Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses while fake are Christendom.

Evidence!
*Real Christians are disciples of Christ that always set times apart to preach and teach in their neighborhood just as Jesus commanded all of them {Matthew 28:18-20} they move as a group but in pairs they approach their audience {Luke 10:1} this is in line with what the scriptures says that two are better than one person. Ecclesiastes 4:9
*Real disciples of Christ believe the same teachings and judge matters the same way using the scriptures. Romans 16:17; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8
*Real disciples of Christ can't be divided by tribal, racial or national factors {John 17:22} so no matter where a disciples comes from he automatically becomes a member of the family of faith once he gets baptized. Matthew 12:46-50
*Real disciples of Christ believe only in God's kingdom and that is what they preach and teach always {Matthew 3:2; 4:17; 10:7} so they are no part of a world that's divided due to politics! John 17:14-16
*Real disciples of Christ love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and have loyal love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35
*Real disciples of Christ don't participate in wars because Jesus commanded them not to use weapons to settle issues. Matthew 26:52
*Real disciples of Christ are easily recognized by their faith not sight {2Corinthians 5:7} so you can't know us through a mode of dressing rather it's when you interact with us that you can know what we believe. Act 4:13

All these fits only one group:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Oya use the scriptures to prove how you can distinguish between true and false Christians.

LadyExcellency:
In Islam, when the Romans came to arrest Jesus, he hid among his disciples and offered them a deal:
“Who will take my place, and Allah will reward him with a castle in paradise?”
The Islamic Jesus bargains for his own survival. He offers paradise as currency for someone else’s suffering.
He escapes and someone else dies.
This fits perfectly with Muhammad’s method, castles, virgins, rivers of wine, palm trees in paradise, divine bribery, used to extract whatever Muhamed desired from his followers. They are projecting the image of Muhammad onto Jesus. At the Battle of Uhud, Muhammad asked his companions to sacrifice themselves to protect him, promising Paradise to those who did. Seven of them were killed while shielding him.

You got it but missed one part:

Everything in the Quran was fabricated by Muhammad after hearing the truth from Catholics surrounding the life and death of Jesus.

Muhammad wanted to make himself a prophet too but real prophets have self sacrificing spirit which makes them face death and any type of persecution whereas Muhammad just want to enjoy his life by all means manly possible!🙂

BennyDGreat:
You are confusing things.. A dead person is dead. They cannot exercise anything either faith or doubt. It's the person praying for them that can exercise faith or doubt. It's simple

Obviously you are not getting the gist.

What we are saying here is that in terms of real miracles nothing stops God from doing His work but these people are saying Jesus needs the faith of people to heal them because that is the lies their fake prophets do tell them when they are faced with real sick people.

We know that the only thing any person who is sick needs is to see Jesus and ask for help miracles is certain but this people are lying for their pastors who can't perform real miracles while hiding behind stage managed shows using actors!🥱

ItShallPass:
Yeah, Jehovah is a miracle working God
No evidence that Jehovah God is in your midst.

How do you distinguish between stage managed tricks and real miracles?🙂

I just told you that real miracles happens in our gathering because we know when God decides to intervene in certain events but what you prefer is shows like entertainment.

For your information Jehovah does not perform miracles for entertaining viewers or advertisement rather it's when His worshipers are in need of help that He provides in supernatural ways.

So when i say real miracles do occur in our midst i'm not telling you we will invite you to come and watch our shows o!🥱

Truthseeker10:
So how does your above statement counter the fact that faith is not needed to perform a miracle?

They misunderstood Jesus when he talked to his own disciples who wants to drive out demons but their faith is not solid!

Truvelisback:
I have witnessed live healings and miracles. That they don't happen in your church or you don't believe in them doesn't make them fake. I know there fake healings and miracles but there are genuine ones too.

Tell your pastor to go and perform his magic miracles where real sick people are not actors!🥱

ItShallPass:
The fact that God does not do any miracles among you indicates that God is not with you!

Do you know the difference between God doing something and humans claiming God is doing it?
Guy no dey deceived yourself there's no God that works miracles like Jehovah our God.
Evidence dey yanfu yanfu no be mouth!😂