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FRANCISTOWN:
God's standard is to help you cohabit peacefully? Which of the gods?

Allah that says you should kill the infidels.
Yahweh that himself was a warlord etc.
I guess you didn't know what the christian crusaders did in the early millennium.

"Cohabit peacefully" indeed. Keep playing.

I can take care of my kids. I'm talking of other kids with respect to your post

OLAADEGBU:
Those ex disciples are not making a complaint they are just telling sharing what they experienced in the synagogue of satan. They are telling the BBC what they saw, felt, tasted and experienced. Not them say. They are first hand witnesses as to the atrocities going on in that dungeon. Don't get your facts mixed up.

OLAADEGBU:
How does a judge establish the facts in a court case?

OLAADEGBU:
I knew you couldn't say you trust the validity of the Bible because if you did you would have believed the power of eyewitnesses in establishing a fact.

OLAADEGBU:
That explains why you will always gravitate towards an organisation that does not take God's word on face value but will have to twist it to suit its own evil agenda.

FRANCISTOWN:
It's true o. God will continue to live in the heads of his followers because of childhood indoctrinations. If there was a law that every kid should be 18years before they get introduced to the God fallacy. I bet there can't be one who will believe in a fairy being.

FRANCISTOWN:
Who is the head of the church?
And who's lifestyle do you emulate?

Chukwuka319:
Bla,bla,bla, you are just ranting.
God is greater than all and will remain forever.The problem is false prophets and teachers.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you trust the validity of the Bible?

Ken4Christ:
I wasn't alive when Jesus was born but there are documented historical evidences of his words and works. At least we have four witnesses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And there is no writings from the Jews to counter what they wrote. Or are you aware of any?

OLAADEGBU:
If you pretend not to see all the interviews granted by the BBC here is a thread talking about atrocities of the cult long before the BBC.

OLAADEGBU:
There were no interview conducted and yet you trust him to be saying the truth. An accuser of the brethren is someone who accuses you without providing any evidence just as satan your father usually does. The ex-disciples have provided ample evidence which makes their statements certain.

OLAADEGBU:
This is an interview conducted on one of your JW members who was an ex disciple of TB Joshua. Are you going to refute her experience because it does not fit into your narrative?

OLAADEGBU:
Why should I trust you, friend or foe?

OLAADEGBU:
When did you grant Bubu4Sea an interview before you reposted it on this thread?

OLAADEGBU:
Don't divert attention from the issue at hand. You made two accusations; that my pastor plagiarised your magazine and that a former member of DL claimed that my pastor is a member of the freemason. It is either you supply your evidence or be satisfied that you are a bold faced liar like your father, the devil.

OLAADEGBU:
What do you have to say about the evidence that is readily available? This is a member of your cult talking about her experience at SCOAN which is not dissimilar from what the BBC broadcasted.

Roycemadeit:
Let's try another analogy:
That an Igbo man settled in Ikorodu does not make him Yoruba.
The Arabs, the majority in Egypt today, has no ties to ancient Egypt.

Ken4Christ:
They don't have evidences of what they are saying against Jesus. But those accusing TB Joshua have evidences.

I was a Deeper Life member and worker and almost a Pastor for about 20 years.

Initially when you join it appears to be one great club of humble believers, but afterwards you notice the following traits of their organisation ;

• They are beholden to one man, Pastor Kumuyi

• Anything Pastor Kumuiyi says is truth and if you do not like it you must leave or start your own church

• They are so spiritually arrogant, and portray their church as the next best thing to holiness while other churches are either further away from holiness or fake altogether

• They separate families, husbands and wives, children and parents, siblings, co-workers etc .

• If you are in a second marriage and become born again (so called), you must go back to your first wife and reconcile to her, assuming she is unmarried because your second wife is not recognized by God. Imagine the confusion this will cause especially with children involved.

• They lack true compassion and love for everyone else other than their own members

• They use hell fire to threaten their members into paying tithes and to abide by church rules and regulations.

• If you are not careful, the church will take over your individuality and you will become another zombie minion without a mind of your own

• The church also has to tendency to preach against wine or alcohol intake, something that was never commanded in the bible, rather the bible says we should do everything in moderation

• It is difficult to be truly happy in Deeper Life because you are always fighting one sin or the other or chasing one demon or the other

• Their focus is strongly selfish, it is all about your own salvation and escaping hell to make heaven.

• They will often tell off young women for certain styles of dressing, the problem is many of these same women have the heart of Jezebel, very similar to a modest radical Muslim woman who despite dressing modestly with the Hijab will easily blow up innocent civilians in the name of her god.

• They preach the fables and myths of a fictitious rapture (started by a charlatan called Scholfield ) , Trinity and Hell fire


Young ones, do not be enticed to join. God has called you to express your individuality and make choices in favour of righteousness and peace. God does not want any man to rule over you or force his own belief on you. You are answerable only to God and not Man.

Enjoy this life and all that goes with you, don’t live a life of misery in the name or religion.

MightySparrow:
Okay.
I see

OLAADEGBU:
Where is the evidence that your partner in crime is a Christian let alone a former member of DL? Below is a videoclip of a JW attesting to the crime of your pervert daddy who you are defending blindly.

OLAADEGBU:
Says the evil genius.
And you are here rubbishing their experiences?
Who else corroborated your false accusation?
Until you can supply evidence I suggest you hold your peace.

Bubu4Sea:
if you are for Jesus alone, beware that Kumuyi is a freemason

MightySparrow:
Hypocrisy. Why don't you believe in the reports of the Ex - Jws and the disfellowshiped members when they testify against your organization?. The 'apostates' Sabi leak secrets. Dó you remember Temple777 thread as a former JW's on this platform? I have read plenty of your responses here, if you have no access to Kumuy's church and lifestyle, how do you come about classifying him as diabolical?

OLAADEGBU:
I dare you to bring evidence of my pastor sexually or physically abusing worshippers or participating in fetish rituals otherwise forever hold your horse.

Abdulgaffar22:
There are some people who claim to have an absolute belief in the existence of God but have a very great abhorrence for religion . The sole reason for this very aversion towards religion is the assertion that religion has allegedly caused more harm to humanity than good. But what these people has overlooked is the fact that there is nothing in this world that doesn't come with its merit and demerits. However, enumerating the pros and cons of religion is not what is intended to be addressed.


The question needed to be addressed is the possibility of accepting God while rejecting religion . In other words, is it even logically possible to believe in God and yet disbelieve in religion ?


To answer this very question, a concise definition of religion must firstly be known and understood.


According to one dictionary, religion is a set of organized beliefs, practices, and systems that most often (not always) relate to the worship of a controlling force, such as a personal God or any supernatural entity.


There's absolutely no way in which we can talk about religion without talking about belief. In fact, the two ( religion and belief) can be used interchangeably and they cannot be divorced from each other. Even our belief in a Personal God who controls the affairs of the world constitute what is known as religion because there are some people who disbelieve or doubt the existence of such a Personal God (like atheists and agnostics).

Hence, religion is simply a world view adopted by a particular set of people. So there's no any matured and intelligent human being that is not an adherent of one religion or the other. Therefore, proclaiming that you love God but hate religion is nothing but sheer ignorance about the concept of God and religion on the part of the person who made such a baseless and superficial claim.


The fact that some people execute their evil acts under the pretext of religion doesn't make religion to be a bad entity. Both the Bible and the Qur'an made mention of religion in a positive way. For example, James, an apostle and a brother of Jesus Christ (pbuh) recorded to have said in the Bible as follows ;


Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this : to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world" (James 1:27)

Similarly, in the Qur'an, God Almighty says as follows ;


"This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you and I completed My Favour upon you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion (Qur'an 5:3)


See how both the Bible and the Qur'an made mention of religion in a positive manner !


If religion is only an evil idea invented by some people in the past without being endorsed by God, then why divine scriptures would made mention of the word "religion" in such a positive way ?
Or are we to believe that both Qur'an and the Bible are not truly inspired by God since the two scriptures made mention of the word religion in a positive manner ?


Have you now seen that it is completely illogical and radically incompatible to say that "I believe in God but I disbelieve in religion" or "I love God but I hate religion" ?


But if you want to go extreme by costly believe that neither Qur'an nor Bible is truly inspired by God simply because they made mention of religion, then your belief in a personal God would be seriously questioned. Do you know the reason why ? Please take your time and continue the reading.


If you disbelieve in both the Bible and Qur'an as the word of God, then you have to believe in a God who can allow a liar to impersonate Him and assume His identity. This is because both the Bible and the Qur'an contains many verses which appear to be coming directly from God's mouth. For example see the biblical and Qur'anic verses cited below ;


"I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).


"I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, and not even their own creation ; and neither do I have any need to take as helpers those that lead people astray" (Qur'an 18:51)

God is unmistakenly declaring to us in these two verses that He was all alone during the creation of the Heavens and the Earth


Hence, anybody who denies these two verses as the word of God must compulsorily believe their author to be a great impersonator of God. In other words, if you reject these Biblical and Qur'anic verses as the word of God, then you have to assume that the person speaking to us here was a great deceiver who pretended to be God.
This is the first point that I want all reasonable people to admit. It is either you believe in these two verses found in the Bible and the Qur'an as the word of God or you believe in them as the word of a great impersonator that assumed the identity of God. There is no third alternative.


But if you as a truthful person can never allow a liar to impersonate you or assume your identity to deceive some innocent people, why do you think God Almighty, who is more truthful than you, would allow such a thing ?

Why would most truthful God allow a liar to speak in His name or assume His identity ?

Of course, if you would never allow such a thing, then God Almighty is in a better position than you to disallow such a thing.

There is no any instance in the history when God Almighty allow a liar to impersonate Him, or allow a liar to assume His identity or allow a liar to speak in His name for a long period of time.

In fact, through His dealing with Hananiah ( the false prophet who spoke in the name of God in the Bible ), God Almighty demonstrated to us that He would never allow such a thing to happen ;


"Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, ‘Listen, Hananiah! The Lord has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation to trust in lies. Therefore this what the Lord says: I am about to remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to die, because you have preached rebellion against the Lord. In the seventh month of that same year, Hananiah the prophet died (Jeremiah 28:15-17).


It's very clear that the sole reason why God allowed Hananiah, the false prophet, to meet his untimely death is because he spoke a lie in the name of God.


Hence, if God says in the Qur'an as follows ;

"this day, I have perfected your religion for you and I have completed My Favour upon you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion (Qur'an 5:3)

then you have to sincerely believe that God has really spoken to us since He would never allow a liar to speak in His name, impersonate Him or assume His identity as demonstrated by logical and scriptural evidence cited just above.

Therefore, if God has realIy spoken to us in Qur'an 5:3 cited above , then how can you logically say "I love God but I hate religion" ?

The concept of God and religion is intertwined and can never be separated from each other. Even if you deny the existence of God, you are still subscribing to one religion because in one way or the other you must believe in something that controlled the shaping and development of all the organs in your body from a single zygotic cell when you were in the womb of your mother. It is now left for you to decide whether this very something is intelligent God or an evolutionary process of chance.

OLAADEGBU:
I'll rather trust BBC in carrying out a proper investigation than a deluded and brainwashed JW like yourself. Wake up and smell the coffee! The evidence is all over the internet.

jesusjnr2020:
Na you carry your "Jesus is angel Miichael" sense of judgment come dey disturb me where i park, na you dey come dey cry las las.
Next time keep your "Jesus is angel Michael" sense of judgment to yourself and fellow antichrists.

Sand2022:
You just agreed with what I said which you previously didn't understand. Yet you say I should stop deceiving myself. Only you!
Remember we are discussing what the Annual Meeting point is. As to what the scriptures say about who will be resurrected, I said it in the op.

Ken4Christ:
Even if you have a million and one person for you, the very moment only two persons have evidences against you, it's enough to nail you. This is what the law also says. So, it's not about the majority liking him. They probably don't know him enough. Let them interview all the disciples that stayed with him.

OLAADEGBU:
Don't change the narrative here. All the eyewitnesses in the BBC docuseries are all saying the same thing but I don't expect you cultists to see it.