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OLAADEGBU:
Go and watch the BBC videoclips and if you've not got enough data then read up on the OP to get enlightened and stop arguing blindly.

You don't have to get overly anxious about this if just two persons agreed on one particular incident and speak in agreement as eyewitnesses then it will be established!

Of course judgment is in God's hands but we know that whoever willfully oppose God's word will not be resurrected.
So stop deceiving yourself!

Sand2022:
Maybe you didn't understand the broadcast. The point of the broadcast is that your GB don't know. Yes, even about those in Babylon the Great that conscientiously oppose your organization. They don't know even if those ones will be resurrected. Maybe you should go and rewatch it. Geoffrey Jackson's last talk advise that you should preach and leave out the judgment aspect for God and Jesus.
The thought the GB has is that one can only be destroyed or die everlastingly if he has received the FULL opportunity to join your Organization. Now how much teaching, preaching shows that one has gotten that full opportunity? There answer; they don't know. Even if those people die during the GT, they say they don't know if they will be resurrected. No one can establish if they have got the full opportunity from Jehovah's standpoint to change.
The whole point of the Broadcast is that they don't know who will or who will not be resurrected.

Davoneskay:
I agree with you to a very large extent. Thanks for this.

You're welcome Sir!

Roycemadeit:
I specifically used the word - blacks as against the Arabs who are there presently. If at this age with all the information available, you still find the fact incredible to believe... It's a shame

Guy there is nothing like one color in Egypt whites are their as well as blacks till today!

Sand2022:
You didn't learn anything from the broadcast.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Sand2022:
Check the response I gave.

It's OK we know what the scriptures say and those practicing it!

jesusjnr2020:
The subject is judging righteously and as Jesus did, and you're the one that been blasphemously using the name of Jesus since to defend bonafide and convicted criminals, so no subject change here, except you want to dodge it because it exposes your falsehood and hypocrisy. Kindly answer the question, "do you still judge Jesus to be angel Michael", otherwise forever hold your peace. Someone who falsely judges Jesus to be angel Michael can never qualify to teach anyone how to judge others.

This guy abeg park for one side you don't have the sense of judgment so keep your childish talks to yourself!

Ken4Christ:
The witnesses against T B Joshua are too many. They are virtually saying the same thing. He was a sex addict. He sleeps with minors. He is fetish. What else do you want to hear?

People giving testimonies don't have to be at the scene together at the same time. But their experiences points to the same thing.

His loyal disciples should be carefully watched and monitored so they don't continue in his footsteps. Lives of so many minors have been destroyed. There is a family that took him to court before his death for defiling their daughter. The cases are too many to mention.

You people don't understand what is happening!

If we're to go by the number of people saying he is a true man of God against those accusers it will be like 1000 against 1 that's what you guys need to know.
So if one person is accusing him a thousand is ready to stand up for him that's why anyone accusing him needs eyewitnesses to confirm the accusation and investigation will be carried out but saying accusers are many then think of those hailing him as a man of God!

OLAADEGBU:
What part of the eyewitness accounts do you want to refute?

They are all complainants no witnesses to establish what each of them is saying against the accused!

jesusjnr2020:
Is Jesus angel Michael?
Answer that question first to prove your judgement is no longer antichrist.
Someone who falsely judges Jesus to be angel Michael is not qualified to speak about how to judge others.
Remove the mountain that blinded your eyes first before you think of removing the mole in the eyes of others.

I've told you that you can't change the subject if you've repented from castigating an accused without following scriptural guidelines God will bless you but if you're just following the aimless crowd then i pity you! Exodus 23:1-2
Whatever i believe about Jesus' prehuman existence has nothing to do with this matter if you have any regard for God's word then do the right thing and stand out as one who believes in the Bible not just following what the different accusers are saying.

I have not judged anyone here rather i'm here to present God's viewpoint on matters like this so if you want it good but if not OK all i'm doing is presenting the viewpoint of an unbiased PERSON who is not siding anyone: GOD

OLAADEGBU:
Tani eshin shin i ba gbe....? Birds of a feather.

You're a Pharisee!
Jesus doesn't take sides either with complaint or the accused all he does is tell the truth as found in God's word.
So i asked all of you again:

Which of all those accusing this man has any witness apart from themselves alone each making her complaint if you're believers in the judicial system set by God Himself?

Roycemadeit:
Are the present-day Egyptians the ones from 2000 + years ago?
You are saying the Arabs who conquered the civilization of the blacks in Northern Africa - after the Romans - automatically became the Children of Egyptians that existed in the time of the fictional Abraham? And by the way, The Tanakh, Bible and Quran are of the same Abrahamic faith.

So the present day Egyptians have nothing to do with the ancient Egyptians shey?

You try jàre, you try!

Ken4Christ:
You are so ignorant. Testimony of just two persons is enough to establish a case. It's just for the purpose of fairness that the judge demands more witnesses. Our Lord Jesus said that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word is established.

So which of the accusations against TB Joshua have you found TWO WITNESSES?

Misinformed churchgoer, all those accusing the man are talking each about herself alone with no other witnesses!

If your prayer is disturbing your neighbour that means they're hearing you. Matthew 6:5
Jesus said such prayer is WRONG.
So your prayer should be a communication between you and your God alone! Matthew 6:6

Even the Egyptians whose ancestors were involved never contradicted the story as it was written in their Qur'an so your opinion is noted but unwarranted!

jesusjnr2020:
Someone who judges Jesus falsely to be angel Michael wants to educate someone else on how to judge others.

I am not going to waste any more time trying to correct you because it's just like pouring water into a basket and still expecting it to hold.

You need to first of all repent, humbly go on your knees before Jesus and ask Him to forgive you of all your blasphemy and lies you've spoken against Him because you didn't know what you were doing.

Next, you ask Him to remove any demon of JWs that has blinded your judgment so you can't judge people a right.

After He's delivered you from the spirit of the antichrist, bad judgment, hypocrisy and falsehood, you possessed from your organisation, then you can get back to me to talk about judgment.

Until then, kindly hold your peace.

Ọmọ if you don't know what the scriptures say about God's standard it's OK but for you to change the subject i won't allow you.
So if you've admitted to have wronged the dead man God bless you it's unscriptural using the name of someone you never knew one on one in a bad light.
TB Joshua is not a worshiper of my own God yet even though he is dead the right thing is that he needs to be heard before anyone can judge him. John 7:51
In the court of law if more than 1,000 people are accusing one single person but two out of the thousand can't agree on one incident then all their accusations will be trashed that's what i want you to know!

jesusjnr2020:
I feel disgusted hearing you continuing to talk about Jesus because Jesus didn't call thieves, murderers, liars, rapists, paedophiles, oppressors of the poor, etc., "innocent" and "true Christians", "prophets of God" as you do.
He called them a "wicked and adulterous generation", "brood of vipers", "thieves", "whitewashed sepulchres", "devils", "murderers", "false prophets" etc., by their fruits.
But you obviously hate and despise Jesus so much, you want to insult and debase Him at every opportunity. That's why you judge Him falsely to be angel Michael regardless of how insane that sounds when compared to what the Bible actually says about Him. And you want to teach me how to judge others? Please give me a break!

Where you got it all wrong was comparing TB Joshua to Pharisees!

Let me enlighten you a bit on that.

In Jesus' day all Jews must attend meetings in the same temple so there's no options for any Jew who feel different regarding the attitude of their religious leaders that's why Jesus also can't worship elsewhere apart from the temple but here in Nigeria you're not forced to worship in the synagogues where TB Joshua is the founder.
In Jesus' day the Pharisees were the same people ruling over the Jews so it's difficult for any Jew to stand against whatever they do but here in Nigeria TB Joshua is not even the local counselor in his neighbourhood so he has no authority over your choice.
In Jesus' day whoever is not recognized by the Pharisees is like a walking corpse therefore all reputable Jews are trying to gain their approval but here in Nigeria TB Joshua only has authority inside his own church which he must be careful not to misuse otherwise he could be reported and arrested like Reverend King.
In Jesus' day Pharisees weren't performing any miracles neither was any other religious group even John the baptist never performed one single miracle but here in Nigeria thousands are claiming they perform miracles in different religions.

So my guy how is TB Joshua an oppressor?
Ọmọ the guy opened his shop and you moved in there to patronize him therefore if you are now shouting "oppression" were you forced to go there?
Is there no other religious center?
Can he do anything to you if you don't attend his church?

Guy you know nothing about God's word so let the matter rest as long as TB Joshua's case is concerned neither you nor any of your so called pastors can judge him because he never forced anyone they willingly went to him!

jesusjnr2020:
Says who the hypocrite who goes from thread to thread doing nothing else but judging the posts and comments of others, calling them unbelievers because they simply don't believe or aren't part of the JWs, while seeing the convicted criminals (Paedophiles, rapists, etc.) of JWs as the only true Christians regardless of their crimes just because they belong to your organisation.

And you want to teach me about what Jesus says? You're not qualified to do so for bringing His Holy Name to disrepute.

You're judgmental just as everyone else, but if you say you're not, it's because you're a liar and a hypocrite.

Jesus Himself says He judges but His judgment is true. John 18:6

That's the difference between Us and the likes of you who judge falsely, calling convicted and bonafide criminals, innocent, just because they belong to your cult.

Guy you have no regard for God's word so there's no need arguing further just know that Jesus will never ever judge anyone without following the standard set by God.

Jesus said he will not do a single thing out of his own initiative he always follow God's direction. John 5:30

jesusjnr2020:
You didn't need to split the post to confuse yourself, because it actually corrects the utter foolishness and ignorance of trying to use sinless/guiltless Jesus to defend serial rapists, murderers, abusers, liars, paedophiles etc.
Only antichrists and blasphemers of God as the JWs do that! You obviously have a habit of defending the convicted criminals in your group, so not surprised that you're also defending your evil brother from another cult, but of the same father, the devil.

Accusing others with passion doesn't show a sense of maturity that's why i used the full strength of God's word to show you God's view on such matters but it's OK if you don't have regard for God's word you can continue following the crowd with malicious intent! Exodus 23:1-2

I'm not defending anyone here what i'm saying is we need to go by God's standard in judging matters so if you're a true believer use God's word to prove your stand not just calling your neighbour "rapists, murderers, abusers, liars, paedophiles" when you can't prove it.

Jesus said:

“Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you" Matthew 7:1-2

Christ Jesus wasn't telling us not to call a spade "a spade" but then are you 100% sure?

Because the type of judgement you render to others by concluding without verification will also come back to you one day, you will also fall into the hands of accusers and that day no one with sound reasoning will come to your rescue all what you will see is people who are quick in judging without thorough investigation.

That day you will remember what i'm telling you now.

jesusjnr2020:
The Pharisees sought witnesses to stand against Jesus but they found none until two came up but even their accounts still did not agree.

Are you now using what i taught you on your thread or you're just here to play?
The same goes to TB Joshua's case there hasn't been found TWO WITNESSES speaking in agreement on a particular incident so what each accuser is saying is independent thought that's not substantial enough to make a decisive conclusion on the man's case!

jesusjnr2020:
It's ridiculous how some could possibly find any basis of comparison with Judas' instance with Jesus and that of many of TB Joshua's former disciples coming out to testify against him.

All the false witnesses brought up against Jesus were his former disciples who angrily left him because they thought he was a cultist {John 6:66} they concluded that Jesus was into cannibalism for saying they should eat his flesh and drink his blood so when called upon to witness against him most of them gladly came to testify but their testimonies was never in agreement.
WHY?
Because they were instigated to do so therefore they can't figure out how to make a sound witness against an innocent man.
TB Joshua is not a worshiper of my God and the same goes to all of you but then you can't judge him when no court of law or God's word is not involved!

jesusjnr2020:
Imagine bringing up the name of Jesus in defence of bonafide and convicted criminals!
It takes an antichrist to do that. Continue!

OK o!
Jesus is the only human whose example can be used to set standards for whatever faithful people like me do either to judge matters or settle disputes.
So if you don't want to hear how Jesus' case was handled then continue with your jungle justice.
TB Joshua was never, can never and will never ever be a convicted criminal now that he is dead.
NO court of law can convict a dead man of any crime since he can't defend himself.
This is God's standard for judging criminality.

Only one person (witness) can't stand to be used as substantial evidence to convict an accused:
"When it is reported to you or you hear about it, then you should investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is confirmed to be true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, you must bring the man or the woman who has done this evil thing out to the city gates, and the man or the woman must be stoned to death. On the testimony of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die should be put to death. He must not be put to death on the testimony of one witness" Deuteronomy 17:4-6

So before you can convince a true believer in God's word like me that TB Joshua was guilty then two witnesses at least must speak in agreement on one particular incident both witnesses must be thoroughly questioned regarding the matter.
What really happened?
When it happened?
Why they're present at the sight?
Are both witnesses reputable citizens who can't be bribed to testify falsely?

All these must be verified before we can take their words as evidence against the accused.

For your information that's what the witnesses brought forward against Jesus failed to do yet the man was convicted by the Jewish High Court.

So if you're bringing a case against someone to the public do so in line with SCRIPTURAL protocols not just being passionate because you feel the man is a criminal.

I have my own reasons to say TB Joshua and most of you guys aren't Christians at all but then i must speak up when you're dragging my God into injustice!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Why don't you try having your building collapse and kill 116 people and see if you'll get "lucky" like TB and absolutely no one charged with anything.

So he is the engineer who did the work shey?
This is not the first time buildings has been collapsing throughout the world either by one thing or another so charging an African owner for murder is senseless and unconstitutional if other countries never prosecute the owners of collapsed structures in their own countries.

PoliteActivist:
You keep being mixed up about salvation, works, faith.
Salvation is a gift of God. No amount of works or "righteousnesses" from you can earn it. Faith naturally leads to works, has nothing to do with salvation being a gift from God!
Final assignment: find out where the following are in the Bible.
Ciao!
*We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags
*There is no one righteous, not even one
*A man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
*For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
*It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast

I gave you just one assignment you dodge it but coming up with yours shey?
Ọmọ find out what WORKS render FAITH useless {James 2:20} because my own Bible says "FAITH without WORKS is DEAD" James 2:26
It's either you figure that out or leave the matter and continue with your FAITH without WORKS!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
At least we've reached conclusions:
1) You’re unable to interpret the passage to mean salvation is NOT a gift from God but what people earn
2) You thought everything about TB was from BBC, not knowing scandals about him have been online years b4 BBC knew he existed.
TB was friends with and protected by the powers that be (the exact opposite of Christ) to such extent that even when his building collapsed and killed over a hundred people, he was able to sweep it under the rug!

OK he supposed to raise them all back to life shey?
"Guy FAITH without WORKS is DEAD"
Says God's word so if you can't explain what type of WORKS James was talking about then it's OK leave TB Joshua alone he is a man of God to those believing in him and nothing you or BBC can do to change that!

Emusan:
After your mumbo jumbo, you still haven't answered the question. Was Watchtower convicted under the law with verified facts or not?
So, Jesus was CONVICTED and not just ACCUSED.
Meaning Watchtower was also CONVICTED and not just ACCUSED and you're sounding as if it's just mere accusation so that you can add FALSE later.
This is getting interesting

Ọmọ if Jesus was convicted then there's no justice in human courts that's why God's word promised that true justice will prevail in God's kingdom not now!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Friend, I neither sought nor need support from anybody. I simply asked you if what someone posted about you is true.
Your statements about TB already told me you don't know much. Right from onset you said and kept saying that everything was from BBC. Nobody who knows anything would be saying that. All these videos below were put online years before BBC.

I've told you that when it comes to blackmail i know a lot more than you can think of.
TB Joshua is not an angel just like all other humans but to set up accusers all over the Internet means there's something fishy not just about his blunders.

PoliteActivist:
As to works, you are doing your best to sidestep your simple assignment: interpret the below to us to mean that Salvation is from works and NOT a gift from God:
1■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■
Never mind what is dead or not!

I won't tell you since you believe in quoting without expatiating i have also quoted God's word telling you that FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26

So if you're not interested in knowing the type of WORKS James is talking about then TB Joshua remains what people call him: the man of God!

Blessed4sure:
Lol. I don't need additional bible versions jare. I'm okay with these.
Thanks so much 🙏🙏

You're welcome!

erniok:
Why did elisha, an israelite and prophet die of sickness.

Oldage!
Righteous or not, Holy or not people grow old get sick and die that's why Jesus never resurrection an old man or woman because they don't need it now!

Emusan:
Which Jewish high court? Was Watchtower convicted with verified facts or not?

Just wanted to help you know the reason why Jesus was sweating profusely begging his dad to remove the cup from him {Luke 22:42} he knew that he must die to redeem mankind but for the case not to be as if he was guilty.
Millions of Jews later finds it really difficult to believe that Jesus could be the Christ.
WHY?
Because according to the story he was CONVICTED not just accused by the Jewish High Court!

Emusan:
Lying liar JWs.
Was Watchtower ACCUSED or was CONVICTED under the law?
Do you think without VERIFIED FACTS conviction will come?
Maybe, the next line you'll come up with will be that the Judges are also Watchtower enemies
You wanted to use this story of TB Joshua to start running your mouth as tap water against Christ Body but was caught inbtw.

According to the Jewish High Court of the first century was Jesus only accused or convicted before sentenced to death?

erniok:
It first of all was not stomach ulcer for it does not cause frequent illness.
Why he was not healed, I don't know as even paul could have healed him in jesus name. Same way we don't know why elisha had to die of sickness after all the mighty works he did. Same way paul talked about his infirmity in gal.4:13

Well it's because the power to heal was never given to any other race except Israelites!

erniok:
Max, in christ jesus, we all became God's special people. Corinthian church was blessed with gifts of the spirit. Read 1cor12-chap14 to get a broad view of what paul was saying.
They spoke in tongues, a gift you earlier said was only for the jews. They had saints with prophetic gifts. You need to read and understand Paul's letters to know that in christ, all issues of jews and gentiles are abolished. read col2-3 and his other epistles.

Just mention one gentile who performed one miracle in the Bible and that's all!

erniok:
Quote or screenshot a quote showing stomach ulcer. You conveniently skipped his frequent illness.

Do you know what stomach ulcer does to patients?
Well it causes them FREQUENT PAINS but why was he not cured miraculously since he was an active member in the first century if gentiles have such gifts?